And no, there is no _decent text editor in the default install. No DVD player either. And no functional video player (unable to play DivX == not functional). You are talking about OEM installs with extras.
Step 1 - You either have SP2 or you don't. If you don't, install whatever version you have and download the update (that'll also cut down the number of reboots on step 2). If you're worried about viruses, download a freeware AV package before you do the update.
Are you insane? If you don't have SP2 and you are not in a secure network, then you are infected before you have finished a download. 12 minutes in 2005.
You are right that the APT tools use dpkg to perform the actual local removal/installation of packages, but nevertheless you always use APT when upgrading the distro, which was what I talked about (not updating a single package). Sure you can do it with dpkg -- email me in 2010 when you have manually resolved the dependencies of a few thousand packages.
+1 Insightful. I wish these people would either go away, or at least don't call their broken ideas "essential" (Automatix?). That, or hang out in ubuntu-users afterwards, to help the users they have led into breaking their systems.
How do I use APT to upgrade from my Edgy install to Feisty?
Assuming you mean apt-get or aptitude: preferably not at all. Read http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading If you insist, click the link at the bottom of the page.
Nitpick: APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, and you always use it automatically when upgrading a Debian-based system, even when you don't use apt-get/aptitude but update-manager, as recommended at the above link.
Given that Feisty will automatically prompt you to install all codecs you will ever need, and the minimal rest (mainly dvd decryption and w32codecs if you prefer xine/mplayer over gstreamer) is in medibuntu, Automatix seems superfluous to me.
True, but that's just because they didn't get around to change it in Feisty. Originally the plan was to lose the sysvinit compatibility layer in Feisty and start to use upstart's features extensively. Sooner or later, sysvinit will go away, at least in some distros.
I have nothing against Gentoo, it has some (limited) places I think. I just wanted to clear up the misconception that needing a special switch in some package practically forces one to use Gentoo because Debian/Ubuntu somehow lacked the means. I like the Debian system too much:)
iPod: works out of the box DigiCam: the very vast majority works out of the box (and simpler than Windows, plugging it in opens a management app) iTunes: complain to Apple and/or help her a bit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormat s/iTunesMusicStore Multimedia: 7.04 will prompt you and offer to install support for proprietary codecs. DVD needs a tiny bit of help: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
even having all codecs installed on Linux, some videos I can play on Windows (with MegaCodecPack) I still cannot play on Linux.
It's the other way 'round for me, I haven't had an unplayable file in Ubuntu for years, and in Debian before that, while I do have files (especially old *.mov files) that I cannot play in Windows.
I agree with your other point regarding DVD, etc., but they are more a question of market economics. Dell preinstalls of Ubuntu will surely have codecs and a DVD decoder installed too. Any anyway, within a year Ubuntu will have the stuff to purchase online with Click'n'Run and/or Fluendo.
I do not agree with your argument that people don#t have to fix their Windows systems or follow instructions. This shit is deconstructing itself over time (I see it at the office), and needs constant attention.
At present Ubuntu is encouraging people to ignore the problem of video-driver support, to purchase broken crap from nvidia and to penalise Intel by not selecting their boards and integrated cards.
Yes, but then you have to install gcc, build-essential, and the package source. As well as any dependencies that weren't covered by build-essential.
Which is different to Gentoo how?
And removing packages that were all nicely included in a stub is not so simple as checking one box and clicking uninstall (hint: it only uninstalls the stub, not any of the dependences)
Dunno, my bash keeps a history, and aptitude keeps a log file. It's pretty simple to aptitude purge when done.
So if you want to get your space back after you're done, you've got to go on an all-night fest of figuring out what's not needed and pruning it manually.
See above. Only if you have no clue. And anyway, somebody who is tight on disk space is going to run Gentoo? I don't think so
And worse, sometimes the packages require patches before compiling, or appear to be inferior versions to the updater after you've installed, so you've gotta be careful lest you "update" to the version you were trying to fix in the first place.
Huh? Source packages and binary packages in Debian/Ubuntu are always exactly the same, and patches are applied automatically
Compiling from source in Ubuntu is viable, but it's still quite inelegant.
I guess we are different, but I consider it inelegant to run a complete source distro just because I need an additional switch in courier or something. Anyway: http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
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And no, there is no _decent text editor in the default install. No DVD player either. And no functional video player (unable to play DivX == not functional). You are talking about OEM installs with extras.
Step 1 - You either have SP2 or you don't. If you don't, install whatever version you have and download the update (that'll also cut down the number of reboots on step 2). If you're worried about viruses, download a freeware AV package before you do the update.
Are you insane? If you don't have SP2 and you are not in a secure network, then you are infected before you have finished a download. 12 minutes in 2005.
it looks like we are going back to Playstation (as in 1) level of graphics,
I stopped reading your comment right there
You are right that the APT tools use dpkg to perform the actual local removal/installation of packages, but nevertheless you always use APT when upgrading the distro, which was what I talked about (not updating a single package). Sure you can do it with dpkg -- email me in 2010 when you have manually resolved the dependencies of a few thousand packages.
Take a look at a Feisty install, which doesn't even have an inittab. What OSX does with launchd has little effect on what ubuntu does with upstart.
+1 Insightful. I wish these people would either go away, or at least don't call their broken ideas "essential" (Automatix?). That, or hang out in ubuntu-users afterwards, to help the users they have led into breaking their systems.
How do I use APT to upgrade from my Edgy install to Feisty?
Assuming you mean apt-get or aptitude: preferably not at all. Read http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
If you insist, click the link at the bottom of the page.
Nitpick: APT is the Advanced Packaging Tool, and you always use it automatically when upgrading a Debian-based system, even when you don't use apt-get/aptitude but update-manager, as recommended at the above link.
Recommending Automatix to newbies is irresponsible, especially since they won't need it.
Given that Feisty will automatically prompt you to install all codecs you will ever need, and the minimal rest (mainly dvd decryption and w32codecs if you prefer xine/mplayer over gstreamer) is in medibuntu, Automatix seems superfluous to me.
True, but that's just because they didn't get around to change it in Feisty. Originally the plan was to lose the sysvinit compatibility layer in Feisty and start to use upstart's features extensively. Sooner or later, sysvinit will go away, at least in some distros.
sysvinit
Except that distros begin to migrate away from sysinit. Ubuntu uses upstart, which works differently: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
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I have nothing against Gentoo, it has some (limited) places I think. I just wanted to clear up the misconception that needing a special switch in some package practically forces one to use Gentoo because Debian/Ubuntu somehow lacked the means. I like the Debian system too much :)
iPod: works out of the boxt s/iTunesMusicStore
DigiCam: the very vast majority works out of the box (and simpler than Windows, plugging it in opens a management app)
iTunes: complain to Apple and/or help her a bit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedForma
Multimedia: 7.04 will prompt you and offer to install support for proprietary codecs. DVD needs a tiny bit of help: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
Oh come on: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
Doesn't get easier than this.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
"this ungla bunga linux" ... "Does unga bunga". Either racist or very very stupid.
The only thing one really needs in general (apart from special requirement for specific apps) is medibuntu: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
even having all codecs installed on Linux, some videos I can play on Windows (with MegaCodecPack) I still cannot play on Linux.
It's the other way 'round for me, I haven't had an unplayable file in Ubuntu for years, and in Debian before that, while I do have files (especially old *.mov files) that I cannot play in Windows.
I agree with your other point regarding DVD, etc., but they are more a question of market economics. Dell preinstalls of Ubuntu will surely have codecs and a DVD decoder installed too. Any anyway, within a year Ubuntu will have the stuff to purchase online with Click'n'Run and/or Fluendo.
I do not agree with your argument that people don#t have to fix their Windows systems or follow instructions. This shit is deconstructing itself over time (I see it at the office), and needs constant attention.
In case you are running Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
If you have no clue you should have just let the restricted-manager set it up for you automatically.
At present Ubuntu is encouraging people to ignore the problem of video-driver support, to purchase broken crap from nvidia and to penalise Intel by not selecting their boards and integrated cards.
That's so not true
RedHat? It's all free software last time I looked, and I think since Yast was GPL'ed the same is true for SuSE.
Yes, but then you have to install gcc, build-essential, and the package source. As well as any dependencies that weren't covered by build-essential.
Which is different to Gentoo how?
And removing packages that were all nicely included in a stub is not so simple as checking one box and clicking uninstall (hint: it only uninstalls the stub, not any of the dependences)
Dunno, my bash keeps a history, and aptitude keeps a log file. It's pretty simple to aptitude purge when done.
So if you want to get your space back after you're done, you've got to go on an all-night fest of figuring out what's not needed and pruning it manually.
See above. Only if you have no clue. And anyway, somebody who is tight on disk space is going to run Gentoo? I don't think so
And worse, sometimes the packages require patches before compiling, or appear to be inferior versions to the updater after you've installed, so you've gotta be careful lest you "update" to the version you were trying to fix in the first place.
Huh? Source packages and binary packages in Debian/Ubuntu are always exactly the same, and patches are applied automatically
Compiling from source in Ubuntu is viable, but it's still quite inelegant.
I guess we are different, but I consider it inelegant to run a complete source distro just because I need an additional switch in courier or something. Anyway: http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html