Is anybody really suprised here?
What they didn't tell us is that there's a top-secret Debian redundancy server running behind it just in case all hell breaks loose.
Nothing to see here, move along.
Looks like they both benefit from each other from my perpsective. Each has it's own advantages, so let's stop arguing about which is better or who helps who more. I'm not just pulling this out of nowhere either, I actually use both. There's no way I could find all the server based / obscure packages I want for Ubuntu (tho this is getting much better), but Debian is missing the newer ones that haven't met stability requirements yet. Example: OOo2 is still in unstable, but Debian has 14 cds of other software. That's another advantage of Debian for non-highspeed users: you can have a friend download the entire stable and weekly testing repository onto CD-Rs and not have to worry about your 6.9999KB/s connection. I had major problems running Ubuntu and getting packages I wanted before I got DSL.
Both distros benefit from each other also. Anytime your user base is expanded you get better testing and user feedback. I mean, why do the distros try to promote themselves anyway other than philanthropy. The more users there are the more likely we are to be payed attention to by software and hardware vendors. Maybe we can finally get some drivers for stuff yet unsupported. Besides, Ubuntu is the best intro system I've ever seen, and it naturally leads to people trying Debian. Before Ubuntu people usually either didn't mess with linux at all or tried a RPM based system. Its especially good now to that Mandrake is in its death throes; that's what I used to recommend for people looking to try linux but for a while I didn't know what to tell them because it started being really unstable/crappy.
I'm done now.
The same thing happened with Tetris. Developers figured out that if they didn't use any of the derivitives of the name, (some still do but I don't think whoever owns it cares anymore) they couldn't be prosecuted because the actual gameplay/rules couldn't be copyrighted as ideas.
I'm not sure about this, but won't old installers still use the reboot method? Which means ur older apps will still have to restart the computer. Unless Windows already had some kind of 'restart manager' API, which I've heard nothing of and even if it exists probably isn't used in all installers because Windows has no standard software installation format. The closest it ever got was the InstallShield which is proprietary so its not used by fringe/OSS stuff and MSI which I've never seen in wide use.
Actually I'm forced to put up with Windows far more than I'd like. Gates's monopolistic actions and unwillingness to play nice with the other OSes out there have made it the most common annoyance on the market. Even when I'm not fixing somebody's Windows that's gone bad or struggling with the terrible Windows CLI because I'm trying to do something not possible with GUI tools, I still have to write MSIE compatible pages if I want the internet community to put up with them without complaining. Windows is a genuine pain, even to those who would choose not to use it.
Just because I obey the law doesn't make me lame. Besides, I definitely wouldn't do it just to have an extra copy of Windo$e. I'd rather use Linux any day.
I agree. While I love hearing about the newest Microsoft FUD campaign or how linux pwns M$, more than once a day is too much.
Yeah i guess its technically a new day now where I live but w/e.
not really legal because microsoft has stuff in their EULA about transferring ownership of windows, it's pretty strict. you might be allowed 1 transfer but as i don't have the license in front of me im not sure
w0w so much flaming. need a fire hose? parasitic might be a bit stong of a term, especially since it helps Debian by getting new users into linux and helping find bugs in unstable/testing. this wouldn't be as easy if it was "pure" debian because it draws from a combo of unstable, stable and testing giving it a more impressive array of new programs and increasing the userbase for debugging and increased hardware support. it also has great administration tools. last time i did an apt-cache search on sabayon (actually i just tested again) it pulled up no hits, even running etch. wow, i just checked packages.debian.org and it's not in unstable yet either. just an example of how debian can be out of date. ubuntu, on the other hand, released this with their last stable disc.
i'm not opposed to variety and options like provided by libranet, but it just wasn't doing thta great. if you want proof that ubuntu is better, look who's still around. survival of the fittest. thats the other side of the coin to options, and it keeps the OS world from being cluttered with junk. not that im saying libranet was junk, but if it was really that great it won't just die.
To express what the other two comments are trying to say in a way that's not gonna be modded flaimbait, I believe you misunderstood the sentence. It doesn't say it was the only polished debian distro, but that it is Only a polished debian distro. quite a difference.
The UI design in F/OSS is improving by leaps and bounds tho. freedesktop and others, like the gnome interface guidelines are really getting stuff to look good and be functional too. gnome 2.12 is beautiful. people have just gotten used to saying that oss has bad UI because it was for so long. the response has been a focus on good HCI, and its pretty incredible the transformation that has occurred. not just programmers are working on F/OSS now, but designers as well. the blender interface is another example. slightly tricky to learn at first (moreso with the earlier versions, i got the latest the other day and its much freindlier) but absolutely efficient and elegant once you know it. ubuntu has also focused on this alot, and ive been handing it out to n00bs left and right as a result.
give OSS UI a chance, its getting much better
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Is anybody really suprised here? What they didn't tell us is that there's a top-secret Debian redundancy server running behind it just in case all hell breaks loose. Nothing to see here, move along.
Mplayer or gstreamer-xine might do the trick. I know, I know, its painful.
Looks like they both benefit from each other from my perpsective. Each has it's own advantages, so let's stop arguing about which is better or who helps who more. I'm not just pulling this out of nowhere either, I actually use both. There's no way I could find all the server based / obscure packages I want for Ubuntu (tho this is getting much better), but Debian is missing the newer ones that haven't met stability requirements yet. Example: OOo2 is still in unstable, but Debian has 14 cds of other software. That's another advantage of Debian for non-highspeed users: you can have a friend download the entire stable and weekly testing repository onto CD-Rs and not have to worry about your 6.9999KB/s connection. I had major problems running Ubuntu and getting packages I wanted before I got DSL. Both distros benefit from each other also. Anytime your user base is expanded you get better testing and user feedback. I mean, why do the distros try to promote themselves anyway other than philanthropy. The more users there are the more likely we are to be payed attention to by software and hardware vendors. Maybe we can finally get some drivers for stuff yet unsupported. Besides, Ubuntu is the best intro system I've ever seen, and it naturally leads to people trying Debian. Before Ubuntu people usually either didn't mess with linux at all or tried a RPM based system. Its especially good now to that Mandrake is in its death throes; that's what I used to recommend for people looking to try linux but for a while I didn't know what to tell them because it started being really unstable/crappy. I'm done now.
I think they got confused by the commercials for these. Or maybe these.
The same thing happened with Tetris. Developers figured out that if they didn't use any of the derivitives of the name, (some still do but I don't think whoever owns it cares anymore) they couldn't be prosecuted because the actual gameplay/rules couldn't be copyrighted as ideas.
I'm not sure about this, but won't old installers still use the reboot method? Which means ur older apps will still have to restart the computer. Unless Windows already had some kind of 'restart manager' API, which I've heard nothing of and even if it exists probably isn't used in all installers because Windows has no standard software installation format. The closest it ever got was the InstallShield which is proprietary so its not used by fringe/OSS stuff and MSI which I've never seen in wide use.
Nope ;) Ur an anonymous coward, they aren't allowed to complain. But seriously, linux with bugs is sooo much better than windows with bugs.
who modded that? i see no redundancy. if i still had my mod points from this weekend i'd give u a funny.
Actually I'm forced to put up with Windows far more than I'd like. Gates's monopolistic actions and unwillingness to play nice with the other OSes out there have made it the most common annoyance on the market. Even when I'm not fixing somebody's Windows that's gone bad or struggling with the terrible Windows CLI because I'm trying to do something not possible with GUI tools, I still have to write MSIE compatible pages if I want the internet community to put up with them without complaining. Windows is a genuine pain, even to those who would choose not to use it.
Just because its accepted doesn't make it right.
Just because I obey the law doesn't make me lame. Besides, I definitely wouldn't do it just to have an extra copy of Windo$e. I'd rather use Linux any day.
I agree. While I love hearing about the newest Microsoft FUD campaign or how linux pwns M$, more than once a day is too much. Yeah i guess its technically a new day now where I live but w/e.
yeah slashdotted already, he put up a custom overload message for us... we should atleast click his ads once or twice =)
What engineer in his right mind wants to look at shoes? The carpet pattern is much more interesting!
not really legal because microsoft has stuff in their EULA about transferring ownership of windows, it's pretty strict. you might be allowed 1 transfer but as i don't have the license in front of me im not sure
are you serious? do you know how much heat most of those tubes put off? most of it going up?!
w0w so much flaming. need a fire hose? parasitic might be a bit stong of a term, especially since it helps Debian by getting new users into linux and helping find bugs in unstable/testing. this wouldn't be as easy if it was "pure" debian because it draws from a combo of unstable, stable and testing giving it a more impressive array of new programs and increasing the userbase for debugging and increased hardware support. it also has great administration tools. last time i did an apt-cache search on sabayon (actually i just tested again) it pulled up no hits, even running etch. wow, i just checked packages.debian.org and it's not in unstable yet either. just an example of how debian can be out of date. ubuntu, on the other hand, released this with their last stable disc. i'm not opposed to variety and options like provided by libranet, but it just wasn't doing thta great. if you want proof that ubuntu is better, look who's still around. survival of the fittest. thats the other side of the coin to options, and it keeps the OS world from being cluttered with junk. not that im saying libranet was junk, but if it was really that great it won't just die.
To express what the other two comments are trying to say in a way that's not gonna be modded flaimbait, I believe you misunderstood the sentence. It doesn't say it was the only polished debian distro, but that it is Only a polished debian distro. quite a difference.
ur not the only one. must be some kind of common psycological reaction to microsoft
Barenaked ladies will cost you quite alot on the street. =)
The UI design in F/OSS is improving by leaps and bounds tho. freedesktop and others, like the gnome interface guidelines are really getting stuff to look good and be functional too. gnome 2.12 is beautiful. people have just gotten used to saying that oss has bad UI because it was for so long. the response has been a focus on good HCI, and its pretty incredible the transformation that has occurred. not just programmers are working on F/OSS now, but designers as well. the blender interface is another example. slightly tricky to learn at first (moreso with the earlier versions, i got the latest the other day and its much freindlier) but absolutely efficient and elegant once you know it. ubuntu has also focused on this alot, and ive been handing it out to n00bs left and right as a result. give OSS UI a chance, its getting much better
not even in non-free? alot of stuff gets buy there. it would be kind of odd to stick a mainstream project in non-free though.