The only operational difference is that one stayed mostly within the bounds of the law, and the other didn't. The goal of both was to profit (financially or otherwise) by fooling others, and poking fun at them. Both strive for bigger audiences.
No, the main difference is that one guy got people to break windows and throw TVs out of them and drive cars into building and and strip naked and redirects the phone numbers of businesses to his number and caused actual significant harm. The other, not so much.
Actually, if both were done maliciously for similar reasons, then the morality aspect is the same.
Nice try there. You said "morality" in your original post, not "morality aspect" or any such thing. Subtly changing your wording to significantly change your stance and hoping nobody will notice is not a valid argument tactic. Furthermore, even your claim that the "intent" or "morality aspect" is the same is absurd. This wasn't just done for the attention (and it certainly wasn't done for money), things like his claim that he thinks he's doing a "public service" by his actions and most importantly of all, the actions themselves, demonstrate a maliciousness to this case that significantly sets it apart from a fucking comedy movie that lied to some people to make fun of them.
Oh, and nice job completely ignoring my other point, by the way. Really rounds out this incredibly well thought out and logically sound post of yours.
The thing is, I see little difference between what they're doing and what Cohen does in Borat and Bruno: Exploiting other people because there's a market for it and he can make a buck/Euro off of it. Sure, Cohen is a lot more careful to stay within the law, but the intent and "morality" of it is the same. One just happens to be more extreme.
If you see little difference between the two, then quite frankly you scare the fuck out of me and I'd feel about as comfortable trapped alone in a room with you as the guy in TFA. The morality of it is the same in much the same way as the morality of slapping someone and repeatedly stabbing them are the same; which is to say, not at all.
Obviously, a lot of the pranks listed in the article will never get that kind of success, but it shows the mentality is pretty much the same.
Yes, because when you know the stance of one person and you don't know the stance of the other it is perfectly valid to conclude they're the same. All it shows is that he's a delusional jerk and you have a shaky grasp on logic.
To be fair, social engineering is more of 'hacking' than a lot of what gets passed off as such these days, even if it's just used to be gigantic assholes.
"Absolutely teeming"? There might be a tad bit more, but it's still by far the minority. And Samus is an odd choice of character to complain about, given that she's in large, bulky armor that makes it impossible to tell her gender or anything else. As for women who aren't "buxom curvaceous stereotypes", plenty come to mind. Terra from FF6, Agrias from FFT, pretty much any female character from a BioWare game (and on this note, lots of other characters from RPGs; probably because they tend to have a lot more focus on plot and character development. I could continue listing more RPG characters, but I think this is enough), Millennia from Kagero: Deception II, lots of characters from the Metal Gear Solid series, and I could go on and on.
And with regard to your claim women have to be "at the least attractive", as I said, this applies to the men too. You have one single example against this. If you're not convinced, then how about we look at, say, the top 10 games for a few consoles on Metacritic?
For the Xbox 360:
Grand Theft Auto IV: No horribly ugly male protagonist
BioShock: Same
The Orange Box: Same
Gears of War: Same
Oblivion: player-created characters (which are generally attractive)
Call of Duty 4: Again, no unattractive protagonist
Halo 3: You never see his face, but I'm betting it's at least reasonably attractive
Braid: Still nothing like Mario
Street Fighter IV: Oh hey, finally something! There are indeed unattractive male characters and no unattractive female ones (though the females still aren't "buxom curvaceous stereotypes")
Fallout 3: See Oblivion
On to the PS3:
GTA4: See above
LittleBigPlanet: Highly stylized and much the same regardless of gender anyway
COD4: See above
BioShock: See above
SFIV: See above
Metal Gear Solid 4: In a shocking development, the same as pretty much everything else so far
Oblivion: See above
Rock Band: More no overweight Italian plumbers
Rock Band 2: Same
Killzone 2: What do you think?
As for the Wii, I think I've beaten this dead horse enough. There's a couple of Mario games (which you already mentioned anyway), and everything else is just more of you being wrong.
In short, you're full of shit. I hope this post has enlightened you, have a nice day.
I was using "you" in the sense of the second person pronoun, not as in "a specific but unspecified person" (like "one"). I don't think all people stay stupid and set in their irrational, poorly-founded beliefs even with age.
Despite popular opinion, wisdom and maturity do not necessarily come with age, and it certainly hasn't in your case. You don't have the slightest fucking clue about the security industry, and the only things you have backing you up are ad hominems and an impressive amount of childishness for someone who likes to brag about their age. Being older doesn't make you any more right; it just makes you older and still wrong.
I'm always annoyed when people bitch about the unrealistic portrayal of the female body in video games or fiction in general. It's not like women are unique in this regard, most of the men have bodies that are like finely-chiseled statues that few men in real life are going to match up to (and certainly not ones who play games lots). Do you hear them complaining about that? Of course not. That sort of person doesn't give a fuck about equality, they're just in it for their own benefit and putting up a front of egalitarianism to make them look like less of selfish bastards.
Not that I'm saying that people in fiction should have realistic levels of attractiveness. It's been like that forever for good reason; most people would much rather prefer attractive people over unattractive people. The only ones calling for 'realism' just can't accept the fact that they, like most people, are average, and cannot match up to people on the higher end of the bell curve. The solution is not to try to prevent any portrayal of anyone superior to them in any aspect, but to stop being so goddamn insecure about themselves.
You're not making the point you think you are. Humanity still uses fire and the wheel, still makes furniture out of wood and prints books on paper, and still communicates through speaking. Truly new ways of doing things only come around occasionally, in the meantime existing ideas are improved upon incrementally.
Almost everyone here seems to be missing the bit in the summary that mentions that it's time and data complexity. It's not nearly as bad as 2^119 time and some tiny data.
So it should come as no surprise that the US is eager to emulate the success of Europe's 'cap and trade' regime. The green movement is basically a watermelon, enviro green on the outside and red communist inside. The green movement was subverted and taken over back in the Soviet days when almost every group that didn't take overt efforts at resisting such a takeover was borged and used as a front.
That must be some high-quality shit you're smoking there, where can I get some?
Do the evil America-hating envirocommuterrorists ride invisible pink unicorns and have giant Jew noses too?
I may not be quoting you, but I'm certainly paraphrasing you. You're going on and on about how awesome and perfect Canada is and how there's no way such an incredible country could have even the slightest trouble with this in every post of yours and completely ignoring both the potential and inevitable problems of online voting.
I can only hope that if they go through with this, whatever solution they come up with is more effective than just mindless nationalism.
I'm quite Canadian myself, which is why I'm especially worried about this. You seem to be failing to grasp the simple fact online voting is fundamentally different from the current system, and has serious problems that are (at best) hard to fix, and no amount of shouting "CANADA FUCK YEAH" is going to make them go away.
Insecure voting isn't being able to change a vote or two and be a slight annoyance. It's being able to change tens or hundreds of thousands or more and actually affect the results. And doing that in real life requires a lot more resources and it's a lot harder to avoid getting noticed doing it.
We need a system in place to boot governments that are not representing the public (like the one we currently have) with regards to policy, quickly and efficiently.
I think you mean "it's simply an incorrect and biased way to look at the difference". You can scream that no true Real World situation would care about anything but speed until your throat hurts, but it doesn't change the fact that not everyone using a video codec is using it for some video sharing site, and a in lot of actual real world situations, encoding speed is a fairly distant second to quality. And on that front, Theora is always going to lose.
There's nothing nonsensical about it. Just because you don't know what an unsupervised learning algorithm is doesn't mean it's just a random string of words he threw together to sound fancy.
A lot of people here seem to be saying that drawn Japanese porn or Japanese porn in general is mostly rape, but they (and you) are all quite wrong. It's certainly popular, but the majority (and it's a very large majority) is still very much consensual.
As for the ban, it's a half-assed ban by a voluntary industry organization. It will affect absolutely nothing at all (besides getting people to back off) and likely won't lead to any sort of real action at all.
It's had support for OpenGL for some time, but that's not quite as useful when you're trying to run stuff in Windowsland. Some googling around shows some progress on supporting D3D by using Wine's implementation, but I don't know how well that works and it's not in any official VirtualBox release yet (or the changelog is lying).
Contrary to popular belief, you do not have the right to do whatever you damn well want.
As tempting as it is to get pedantic, I shall merely note that I never said any such thing. A nice way to launch into an argument that plays on emotions instead of using logic and facts, but please, this is Slashdot, not politics.
You still have to fit into society.
There is so much wrong with this sentence. So very, very much. People like you, who think that nobody should be allowed to do things that the majority doesn't approve of even if they have no reasonable justification for it, are, have been, and will continue to be, far more of a threat to people than any amount of perverts masturbating to Japanese rape porn could possibly be.
Society has laws. If you want to fantasize about breaking those laws, you are allowed to, but I'm not sure if we should be encouraging it as a society... Some things should be shunned instead. I feel hardcore rape depictions should be. It appears you don't.
This is a false dichotomy. Your options aren't just "encourage" or "shun", there's also the ever popular "do nothing" option that lots of people do with lots of things. And no, "doing nothing" does not encourage rape any more than the lack of popular outrage about movies like Saw encourages torture and murder.
Just be aware that if enough people encourage something, it happens, regardless of the law. See: Female circumcision.
I guess it's a good thing I'm not encouraging rape or suggesting that anyone else should encourage rape or you might actually have a valid point and not be attacking a blatant straw man at all!
There's a translation patch though, but that doesn't matter because I can't get it to work under Wine, and it won't run under VirtualBox either because it's 3D.:(
Not posting as AC because I don't really care if Slashdot knows I like rape eroge.
Don't you find it creepy that this guy plays it all day long?
I don't find it any more creepy than someone who spends all day watching TV, or someone who spends all day playing GTA, or someone who spends all day posting on Slashdot.
I really feel that some fantasies don't have to be fulfilled...
I really feel idiots who think people shouldn't be allowed to do something because it's "creepy" to them should fuck off. There is a *lot* of weird shit out there that people get off to and much of it thoroughly creeps me out, but I'm smart enough to realize that this is an entirely subjective matter and it is not reasonable to deprive a person of something they enjoy, even if they don't absolutely need it, even if it creeps out 99.9% of the population, on such grounds. And no, "a few utter psychopaths who see it might think 'gee replicating that in real life with no concern whatsoever for the fact that I am doing it to real people seems like a good idea'" is *not* proper justification for it either. That sort of person already has serious mental issues and trying to remove anything that could possibly be an influence on them from society as a whole is an utterly futile endeavor.
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No, the main difference is that one guy got people to break windows and throw TVs out of them and drive cars into building and and strip naked and redirects the phone numbers of businesses to his number and caused actual significant harm. The other, not so much.
Nice try there. You said "morality" in your original post, not "morality aspect" or any such thing. Subtly changing your wording to significantly change your stance and hoping nobody will notice is not a valid argument tactic. Furthermore, even your claim that the "intent" or "morality aspect" is the same is absurd. This wasn't just done for the attention (and it certainly wasn't done for money), things like his claim that he thinks he's doing a "public service" by his actions and most importantly of all, the actions themselves, demonstrate a maliciousness to this case that significantly sets it apart from a fucking comedy movie that lied to some people to make fun of them.
Oh, and nice job completely ignoring my other point, by the way. Really rounds out this incredibly well thought out and logically sound post of yours.
If you see little difference between the two, then quite frankly you scare the fuck out of me and I'd feel about as comfortable trapped alone in a room with you as the guy in TFA. The morality of it is the same in much the same way as the morality of slapping someone and repeatedly stabbing them are the same; which is to say, not at all.
Yes, because when you know the stance of one person and you don't know the stance of the other it is perfectly valid to conclude they're the same. All it shows is that he's a delusional jerk and you have a shaky grasp on logic.
To be fair, social engineering is more of 'hacking' than a lot of what gets passed off as such these days, even if it's just used to be gigantic assholes.
"Absolutely teeming"? There might be a tad bit more, but it's still by far the minority. And Samus is an odd choice of character to complain about, given that she's in large, bulky armor that makes it impossible to tell her gender or anything else. As for women who aren't "buxom curvaceous stereotypes", plenty come to mind. Terra from FF6, Agrias from FFT, pretty much any female character from a BioWare game (and on this note, lots of other characters from RPGs; probably because they tend to have a lot more focus on plot and character development. I could continue listing more RPG characters, but I think this is enough), Millennia from Kagero: Deception II, lots of characters from the Metal Gear Solid series, and I could go on and on.
And with regard to your claim women have to be "at the least attractive", as I said, this applies to the men too. You have one single example against this. If you're not convinced, then how about we look at, say, the top 10 games for a few consoles on Metacritic?
For the Xbox 360:
On to the PS3:
As for the Wii, I think I've beaten this dead horse enough. There's a couple of Mario games (which you already mentioned anyway), and everything else is just more of you being wrong.
In short, you're full of shit. I hope this post has enlightened you, have a nice day.
I was using "you" in the sense of the second person pronoun, not as in "a specific but unspecified person" (like "one"). I don't think all people stay stupid and set in their irrational, poorly-founded beliefs even with age.
Just most of them.
Despite popular opinion, wisdom and maturity do not necessarily come with age, and it certainly hasn't in your case. You don't have the slightest fucking clue about the security industry, and the only things you have backing you up are ad hominems and an impressive amount of childishness for someone who likes to brag about their age. Being older doesn't make you any more right; it just makes you older and still wrong.
I'm always annoyed when people bitch about the unrealistic portrayal of the female body in video games or fiction in general. It's not like women are unique in this regard, most of the men have bodies that are like finely-chiseled statues that few men in real life are going to match up to (and certainly not ones who play games lots). Do you hear them complaining about that? Of course not. That sort of person doesn't give a fuck about equality, they're just in it for their own benefit and putting up a front of egalitarianism to make them look like less of selfish bastards.
Not that I'm saying that people in fiction should have realistic levels of attractiveness. It's been like that forever for good reason; most people would much rather prefer attractive people over unattractive people. The only ones calling for 'realism' just can't accept the fact that they, like most people, are average, and cannot match up to people on the higher end of the bell curve. The solution is not to try to prevent any portrayal of anyone superior to them in any aspect, but to stop being so goddamn insecure about themselves.
You're not making the point you think you are. Humanity still uses fire and the wheel, still makes furniture out of wood and prints books on paper, and still communicates through speaking. Truly new ways of doing things only come around occasionally, in the meantime existing ideas are improved upon incrementally.
What the fuck kind of cardboard do they have where you live?
Or alternatively, what the fuck kind of store-bought tomatoes do they have where you live?
Almost everyone here seems to be missing the bit in the summary that mentions that it's time and data complexity. It's not nearly as bad as 2^119 time and some tiny data.
That must be some high-quality shit you're smoking there, where can I get some?
Do the evil America-hating envirocommuterrorists ride invisible pink unicorns and have giant Jew noses too?
I may not be quoting you, but I'm certainly paraphrasing you. You're going on and on about how awesome and perfect Canada is and how there's no way such an incredible country could have even the slightest trouble with this in every post of yours and completely ignoring both the potential and inevitable problems of online voting.
I can only hope that if they go through with this, whatever solution they come up with is more effective than just mindless nationalism.
I'm quite Canadian myself, which is why I'm especially worried about this. You seem to be failing to grasp the simple fact online voting is fundamentally different from the current system, and has serious problems that are (at best) hard to fix, and no amount of shouting "CANADA FUCK YEAH" is going to make them go away.
Insecure voting isn't being able to change a vote or two and be a slight annoyance. It's being able to change tens or hundreds of thousands or more and actually affect the results. And doing that in real life requires a lot more resources and it's a lot harder to avoid getting noticed doing it.
Perhaps, but this isn't it.
I think you mean "it's simply an incorrect and biased way to look at the difference". You can scream that no true Real World situation would care about anything but speed until your throat hurts, but it doesn't change the fact that not everyone using a video codec is using it for some video sharing site, and a in lot of actual real world situations, encoding speed is a fairly distant second to quality. And on that front, Theora is always going to lose.
Speak for yourself. There are plenty of "real world" workloads that don't give a fuck about seek times.
The blog post is about Kaguya though. Kaguya is female, and everyone knows it's only rape if it's a man raping a woman.
There's nothing nonsensical about it. Just because you don't know what an unsupervised learning algorithm is doesn't mean it's just a random string of words he threw together to sound fancy.
I'd never sully the good name of exhibitionism in such a manner.
A lot of people here seem to be saying that drawn Japanese porn or Japanese porn in general is mostly rape, but they (and you) are all quite wrong. It's certainly popular, but the majority (and it's a very large majority) is still very much consensual.
As for the ban, it's a half-assed ban by a voluntary industry organization. It will affect absolutely nothing at all (besides getting people to back off) and likely won't lead to any sort of real action at all.
It's had support for OpenGL for some time, but that's not quite as useful when you're trying to run stuff in Windowsland. Some googling around shows some progress on supporting D3D by using Wine's implementation, but I don't know how well that works and it's not in any official VirtualBox release yet (or the changelog is lying).
As tempting as it is to get pedantic, I shall merely note that I never said any such thing. A nice way to launch into an argument that plays on emotions instead of using logic and facts, but please, this is Slashdot, not politics.
There is so much wrong with this sentence. So very, very much. People like you, who think that nobody should be allowed to do things that the majority doesn't approve of even if they have no reasonable justification for it, are, have been, and will continue to be, far more of a threat to people than any amount of perverts masturbating to Japanese rape porn could possibly be.
This is a false dichotomy. Your options aren't just "encourage" or "shun", there's also the ever popular "do nothing" option that lots of people do with lots of things. And no, "doing nothing" does not encourage rape any more than the lack of popular outrage about movies like Saw encourages torture and murder.
I guess it's a good thing I'm not encouraging rape or suggesting that anyone else should encourage rape or you might actually have a valid point and not be attacking a blatant straw man at all!
But what does murder simulation appease? It's not violence, that's what action games are for.
There's a translation patch though, but that doesn't matter because I can't get it to work under Wine, and it won't run under VirtualBox either because it's 3D. :(
Not posting as AC because I don't really care if Slashdot knows I like rape eroge.
I don't find it any more creepy than someone who spends all day watching TV, or someone who spends all day playing GTA, or someone who spends all day posting on Slashdot.
I really feel idiots who think people shouldn't be allowed to do something because it's "creepy" to them should fuck off. There is a *lot* of weird shit out there that people get off to and much of it thoroughly creeps me out, but I'm smart enough to realize that this is an entirely subjective matter and it is not reasonable to deprive a person of something they enjoy, even if they don't absolutely need it, even if it creeps out 99.9% of the population, on such grounds. And no, "a few utter psychopaths who see it might think 'gee replicating that in real life with no concern whatsoever for the fact that I am doing it to real people seems like a good idea'" is *not* proper justification for it either. That sort of person already has serious mental issues and trying to remove anything that could possibly be an influence on them from society as a whole is an utterly futile endeavor.