I think this is much ado about nothing, to tell the truth. Battlefields are dangerous places. No amount of tech is going to change that.
True, but the following makes me wonder:
If fired into the cockpit of a fighter jet, for instance, the infrared beam would pass through the canopy and strike the plane's electronics - reflecting random beams at the crew. And if accidentally aimed at a person on the ground, the beam could fall onto a spot just 30 centimetres across, which would be intense enough to burn skin, corneas and retina.
It almost seems like it's not going to do any damage OTHER than warm things up.. Intense enough to burn skin? Hell, if they're aiming it at engines, the damn thing BETTER EXPLODE, not just overheat. I could burn my skin touching recently used brake pads.
I saw that thing on TV, maybe 20-20 a couple weeks ago. Sure, it records bad driving, and distances, but it also beeps and whistles at you when you drive 'wrong'.
If you take a corner too fast, it beeps. If you stopped to hard, it beeps. It TRAINS you to drive better, with the added benefit of "Oh shit, my dad's gonna find out!"
Everyone is zeroing in on the recording aspect, but have you heard of these being used to fire or ticket ambulance drivers, where they were ORIGINALLY USED? It made them better drivers, and THAT'S the positive of it.
Everybody here complains that DeCSS allows them to watch TV on 'unauthorized' equipment, but they don't pirate, so the GOOD of the tool should be seen. Then something like this box shows up, and everyone concentrates on the bad, rather than the good.
Does everyone trust noone, and at the same time expect everyone to trust them?
Though I agree with your basic principle that we are often better served by moderation and less by screaming, I still hold that without radical groups to push the boundaries, nothing changes.
IMHO, that only applies when there is also an EQUAL AND OPPOSITE radical force. Else, the majority be misrepresented by 'the squeaky wheel'. This is how I see the courts as working. Say you steal a gumball. Your defense lawyer says you're living on the street, starving, stomach ballooned, and the prosecution says you're putting the storekeeper out of business, and his 6 kids will starve. Neither is right, but with equal and opposite forces 'pushing towards the middle' (and some common sence among the jury), we have balance.
defining those you with whom you disagree as "wackos" serves as little as the manic behavior which you so disdain; this level of argument is pure ad hominem; it's a logical fallacy, worthy of types such as Rush Limbaugh, but reduces the level of discussion.
You got me. They're just radicals, not wackos.;)
Sometimes there is a need for someone to yell, just to be heard at all, especially if their views are completely being ignored; this is the true point of a democracy...
This is true, and I have been punished for such things. My whole point is that, according to the report, the median IS being represented by those on the panel, and those radicals in the audience are doing nothing but hurting the campaign.
I'm sorry....your point is....what, exactly? It seems to me Dolby and Sony went to movie theaters and said we have a new sound system but you'll have to remodel and get rid of the shitty front speakers you've been using for decades.
That they can't expect to radically change the content, and expect their outlets to absorb the entire cost.
Get those guys the hell out of there. We don't WANT them representing us. They put a bad face on the Linux/Open Source movement, and people don't want to be associated with 'those people'.
It's like Republicans and Democrats. There are TWO REAL political parties in the U.S., though most people are moderate, one side detests the other for a few far flung individual views.
Or "Earth First" or PETA. Sure we're all in basic support of what these guys stand for. (don't pollute / don't be creul to animals) But they're RADICAL groups.
Don't let those wacko geeks represent the majority of us.
I've live outside Milwaukee. As many of you may know from the MLB All Star game, we just got a new staduim. Wait, I take that back, the BREWERS got a new staduim. Even though I don't like in Milwaukee, I'm still paying for it.
The argument is always that baseball brings in more business. But really, who comes to see the Brewers? They suck. Now, we also have a brand-spanking new Midwest Express Convention Center. I don't know the details behind that behemoth, but there sure wasn't as much controversy about it. I KNOW it brings people into the city (for CONVENTIONS, duh), and those conventions help pay for the new building. Bigger building, more convention/office space. No issues.
What does that have to do with movie theatres? For some reason both Pro-Sports, and the MPAA think that the end-user should pay UP FRONT for whatever new-fangled thing they want. They need to learn to stop mooching, and pay their own way.
I work for a fitness company. We distribute Weight Lifting Belts to a LOT of retail outlets. I can't imagine going into a Dick's or a Champs, and saying, "Oh yeah, we have this new product, but you'll need to remodel your store to carry it."
I had an Apple ][e with a Color RGB monitor, and I got a seperate TV tuner for Xmas with RCA hookups. I could flip a switch and 'watch TV on my computer'. Audio was routed through my stereo.
Later, when I got a VCR (you know, the 150lb top load ones!), I was able to RECORD TV 'on my computer':P
you could get LIFE in PRISON for using a computer.
That's like complaining that you could get LIFE in PRISON for using a screw driver. If you use that screw driver to tighten screws, you're fine. If you stick it in someone's eye and wiggle it around, you may be facing LIFE in PRISON for the MURDER that you committed with your SCREW DRIVER.
The only problem I have with this, is that there isn't any specific legislation covering screwdriver related crimes. It's sad that the government must create new laws to cover mis-understood tools used in the same crimes that were committed years ago.
Sure it's different. It's different, in that it is hard. The difficulty of installing hardware drivers is the one thing that prevents me from installing Linux on the computers of people who aren't obsessed with computers.
Ok, Now I'm just going to be an ass;)
If you're in a position to install another OS on someone's PC, it sounds to me that you would be the one to install new hardware for them ANYWAYS. Am I wrong?:)
If not, then it's just a 'bad feeling', and you would probably be fine. The trick is the software. I would hold out (and have) installing Linux just because you can't run off the shelf software. It sucks, but that's the biggest barrier to adoption (IMHO).
I think Linux is more like a limited-production car that require the owners to know much more intimate details about the car; and when something breaks, you can't just order it from NAPA. You have to rebuild the part (either from scratch, following a plan, or using pieces with some assembly required).
Interesting. I see it from the other direction. While I put Linux and Windows on the same level (you can accomplish what you need to with either, assuming the software you needs runs on your preferred os), I see the operator/mechanic differently.
With the latest Linux releases, it ISN'T any more difficult to setup than Windows. So all your left with is the operator. Would you rather have a 'Gearhead' at the wheel, or your plain old motorist?
While a plain old motorist will be able to drive the jacked up ElCamino just fine, they may FEEL very uncomfortable in it, and probably won't know how to 'use' things like the air shocks.;)
Do you like to configure the ignition curves for your engine?
Do you like to machine your own oil-filter base plate? Do you like to plumb your air intake exactly the way you want it? Do you like to adjust the exhaust pipe lengths to change the resonant frequency?
Most people want to just get in the car and drive. Heck, they want to NOT know the gory little details.
Except to some people, the gory details include "What does it mean when the oil light flashes?" "What does the manual say?" "Manual?"
If people are going to compare computers to cars, they shouldn't complain about how hard it can be to fix them (ie. Oil Change, Tire Change, Rotation.. and WHY those things need to be done), no matter what OS they're running.
Installing a Printer in one OS may be a little different than in another OS, but in reality is more like 4 on the floor vs on the console. It's not hard, just DIFFERENT.
Why XP is better:
Drivers: Point and click to install (as a superuser, of course). Windows warns you if the driver isn't likely to work properly, and can roll back to working drivers if you deliberately choose to install one that hoses your system.
Yeah. You WISH. I've REALLY had much better luck with linux and funky hardware, than Windows and funky hardware. Most recently I have an ATA-66 controller with a Highpoint chipset. Sure, the BETA drivers are stable, but guess what? They have a different NAME than the drivers from the OEM. Guess what happens when you UNINSTALL a driver? It gets removed from the 'listed' products, but the DRIVER STILL EXISTS. I had XP (win2k also I think) crashing on me on bootup because it was trying to load TWO DIFFERENT DRIVERS FOR THE SAME PIECE OF HARDWARE. What the hell does 'REMOVE' mean to MS programmers?
In any case. I also liked the 'As good as Mandrake 8.1 was, it wasn't what I was after' and 'Eventually I became dissatisfied with Mandrake, and briefly tried a number of other distros until I finally settled on Debian.'
Apparently, he had good luck with both distros, but all of a sudden was BORED with them. At least that's how I read it. That's not a reason that linux isn't for the desktop, it's a reason that linux isn't for HIM.
Keep in mind that most people who use computers could really give a Rats ass about the license the product they need is under.
They want something that works. I like Opera, I want it free, there's a funky comic up there right now.
If I can get Opera for free, and they can get enough money off that add I sometimes click to support future development, then I say go for it.
How do we know companies won't start paying distro's (like RedHat) for desktop placement rights? Perfect source of income for the distro, and can be clicked or removed by the end user.
No.. You just need to try harder, or do it differently. Sure, I have a site that works a little better in IE (the TD background color is changable - remotely - in IE, as a highlight, while not in Opera/NS), but if I used an image instead, it would work just fine.
Try assigning a class to that TD and then assigning a hover value to it. Or even doing a p hover. Some derivative of that should work on NS 6+ or Mozilla.
Since you're getting specific;)
Check out testsite.valeoinc.com/valeoinc.com
You'll see basically two options. In IE, the menu lights when you do either a hover on the menu or a hover on one of the two images. Granted, I could have the Javascript code wrong.
Yeah, I COULD make the menu work with just a hover, but it doesn't seem "right" to me.
Last time I played with it, Mozilla would change the TD background, but the text still had a black background. So I left it without a highlight. The link is functional, and it's an obivous menu item. I saw no reason to spend more time on 'flair'. I don't think the 'experience' is affected at all.
BUT, if you have a suggestion, I'm welcome to it.:)
I meant compliant as in corporate standards. Normally, removing IE and putting Opera isn't on the approved actions list. This probably only applies to bigger companies though...
Ahhh yes. I don't work well with large companies. They seem to have a problem with me deciding what technical direction the company should take:P (In fact, I consult for a former boss from that world, and he still does the same "I'll ask your opinion, then ignore it" shit. Ah well, we're all familiar with the technical prowess of the executive accountant;) )
Just be careful.. soon he/she will start installing their own software and the next thing you know, you'll be trying to figure why WinSpeed 2002 doesn't play nice with Super Contact List 98 muha!
I don't have to worry about that. These guys PERSONALLY report any and all Norton Virus Notifications. I have them wrapped around my little finger!:P (Now I wish I would have saved that picture of the girl 'bowing' in my doorway;)
You're pretty brave. The last thing you want to do is install a non compliant program on the president's puter. I actually had Opera crash more on me than IE.
Really? I've had basically ZERO issues on Windows, and random crashes on Linux with Opera. Most of the Opera issues I've run into are 'site display' related. I don't know what you mean by "non-compliant", are you following an MS-approved list? Like the Hardware guide? In any case, IE was being a major nuisance (because of the virus/cache issue), and it definately had to go.
Though I CAN see Opera not being on one of those lists. I installed 'Compatibility Pack 2' on my XP test machine, and sure enough, it broke Opera and Litestep, both MS replacement apps!:P
I would love to see the IT folks when they come over to fix his computer next time and he has no IE to run updates and Opera comes up as the default web browser. Unless you *are* the IT dept;-)
There, you hit the nail on the head! Yep, I AM the IT department, and the president is 3 offices over from me;). (Oh, and the Deer outside my window - ok, I'm done rubbing it in.)
In any case, The IEradicator doesn't REALLY remove IE completely, you can still open a folder in explorer, and type in an URL to browse with IE. I've had more problems with Windows Update after removing VBScript than I've had with IEradicator.
You think that's bad, I'm beta-testing OpenOffice too! (but not on the President's machine yet!)
You have to admit, though, it's weird when the president asks you about the "squashed cat" on her monitor. Long pause..."Oh that's Irfanview. You'll be able to view some of those pictures you couldn't before, and it's free."
Who set these mythical "standards"? I do business online with my websites. Some arbitrary "standards" are irrelevant. What *is* relevant is making the best possible experience for the most possible users. The W3C has been irrelevant for several years now. IE is the de facto standard.
That's like saying if I want to wire my house a certain way, and the building codes from 88 don't allow me to, then I should just go ahead and do it my way because the codes are 14 years old.
If NS and Opera want to compete, they need to make *their* browsers compatible with the new de facto standard. Hell, even when I tried making my stuff NS compatible, Mozilla is so full of rendering bugs that it was impossible.
No.. You just need to try harder, or do it differently. Sure, I have a site that works a little better in IE (the TD background color is changable - remotely - in IE, as a highlight, while not in Opera/NS), but if I used an image instead, it would work just fine.
There ARE multiple ways to accomplish the same thing. By not conforming to the existing standards, and buying into the extended monopoly, you're only screwing the rest of us into a specific browser.
And remember, just because it looked right in IE, before you tried it in Mozilla, doesn't mean you didn't account for IE's rendering bugs.
For example. Did you know that for absolute width, there IS no standard? Some browsers include the browser border, while others do not. It hasn't been addressed. This can easily be worked around, and is well-known. I think you just need to do more research.
I used IEradicator to remove IE from the company presidents desktop, and replaced IE with Opera.
"Wow. Now I see what you mean about web sites not being compliant." She told me. "Our site looks ok, why don't others?" "They don't properly test them, or think some flair is really necessary that's only supported in IE 5.X. They forget Web Browsing is like window shopping in a Ferrari. You move on to the next one REAL quick."
Though I have to say Opera's pop-up management sucks compared to Mozilla's. Since I've installed Mozilla for her, I havn't heard a peep. Before it was "Some links just don't work anymore" - which was due to Opera not opening REQUESTED Javascript URLs.
BTW, I just didn't think it was a 'grand' idea to replace the presidents browser, but IE kept storing/retrieving some virus in it's cache (maybe from Eudora's preview?), and the calls from the president about viruses on her PC were getting annoying. Not to mention the reboot required to delete the IE Cache file that's ALWAYS open due to the wonderful Win98 integration!;)
(*sigh* No, once the file is detected by NAV as having a virus, you can't do anything with it.. But it's open so it can't be quarrantined... get it?:P)
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Yeah yeah protons, HS chem was 10 years ago :P
Three of them for lead? Which element is next to gold? Looks like Mercury would be minus one..
Whoops :)
Kind of like just removing an electron to make lead into gold.. It's really simple you know ;)
True, but the following makes me wonder:
If fired into the cockpit of a fighter jet, for instance, the infrared beam would pass through the canopy and strike the plane's electronics - reflecting random beams at the crew. And if accidentally aimed at a person on the ground, the beam could fall onto a spot just 30 centimetres across, which would be intense enough to burn skin, corneas and retina.
It almost seems like it's not going to do any damage OTHER than warm things up.. Intense enough to burn skin? Hell, if they're aiming it at engines, the damn thing BETTER EXPLODE, not just overheat. I could burn my skin touching recently used brake pads.
If you take a corner too fast, it beeps. If you stopped to hard, it beeps. It TRAINS you to drive better, with the added benefit of "Oh shit, my dad's gonna find out!"
Everyone is zeroing in on the recording aspect, but have you heard of these being used to fire or ticket ambulance drivers, where they were ORIGINALLY USED? It made them better drivers, and THAT'S the positive of it.
Everybody here complains that DeCSS allows them to watch TV on 'unauthorized' equipment, but they don't pirate, so the GOOD of the tool should be seen. Then something like this box shows up, and everyone concentrates on the bad, rather than the good.
Does everyone trust noone, and at the same time expect everyone to trust them?
Rant off :)
What's the world record for holding your breath?
Yes, you too may now bow before me. :P
IMHO, that only applies when there is also an EQUAL AND OPPOSITE radical force. Else, the majority be misrepresented by 'the squeaky wheel'. This is how I see the courts as working. Say you steal a gumball. Your defense lawyer says you're living on the street, starving, stomach ballooned, and the prosecution says you're putting the storekeeper out of business, and his 6 kids will starve. Neither is right, but with equal and opposite forces 'pushing towards the middle' (and some common sence among the jury), we have balance.
defining those you with whom you disagree as "wackos" serves as little as the manic behavior which you so disdain; this level of argument is pure ad hominem; it's a logical fallacy, worthy of types such as Rush Limbaugh, but reduces the level of discussion.
You got me. They're just radicals, not wackos. ;)
Sometimes there is a need for someone to yell, just to be heard at all, especially if their views are completely being ignored; this is the true point of a democracy...
This is true, and I have been punished for such things. My whole point is that, according to the report, the median IS being represented by those on the panel, and those radicals in the audience are doing nothing but hurting the campaign.
That they can't expect to radically change the content, and expect their outlets to absorb the entire cost.
Do you have your HDTV yet?
It's like Republicans and Democrats. There are TWO REAL political parties in the U.S., though most people are moderate, one side detests the other for a few far flung individual views.
Or "Earth First" or PETA. Sure we're all in basic support of what these guys stand for. (don't pollute / don't be creul to animals) But they're RADICAL groups.
Don't let those wacko geeks represent the majority of us.
The argument is always that baseball brings in more business. But really, who comes to see the Brewers? They suck. Now, we also have a brand-spanking new Midwest Express Convention Center. I don't know the details behind that behemoth, but there sure wasn't as much controversy about it. I KNOW it brings people into the city (for CONVENTIONS, duh), and those conventions help pay for the new building. Bigger building, more convention/office space. No issues.
What does that have to do with movie theatres? For some reason both Pro-Sports, and the MPAA think that the end-user should pay UP FRONT for whatever new-fangled thing they want. They need to learn to stop mooching, and pay their own way.
I work for a fitness company. We distribute Weight Lifting Belts to a LOT of retail outlets. I can't imagine going into a Dick's or a Champs, and saying, "Oh yeah, we have this new product, but you'll need to remodel your store to carry it."
As if THAT would ever happen.
I had an Apple ][e with a Color RGB monitor, and I got a seperate TV tuner for Xmas with RCA hookups. I could flip a switch and 'watch TV on my computer'. Audio was routed through my stereo.
Later, when I got a VCR (you know, the 150lb top load ones!), :P
I was able to RECORD TV 'on my computer'
That's like complaining that you could get LIFE in PRISON for using a screw driver. If you use that screw driver to tighten screws, you're fine. If you stick it in someone's eye and wiggle it around, you may be facing LIFE in PRISON for the MURDER that you committed with your SCREW DRIVER.
The only problem I have with this, is that there isn't any specific legislation covering screwdriver related crimes. It's sad that the government must create new laws to cover mis-understood tools used in the same crimes that were committed years ago.
Ok, Now I'm just going to be an ass ;)
If you're in a position to install another OS on someone's PC, it sounds to me that you would be the one to install new hardware for them ANYWAYS. Am I wrong? :)
If not, then it's just a 'bad feeling', and you would probably be fine. The trick is the software. I would hold out (and have) installing Linux just because you can't run off the shelf software. It sucks, but that's the biggest barrier to adoption (IMHO).
Interesting. I see it from the other direction. While I put Linux and Windows on the same level (you can accomplish what you need to with either, assuming the software you needs runs on your preferred os), I see the operator/mechanic differently.
With the latest Linux releases, it ISN'T any more difficult to setup than Windows. So all your left with is the operator. Would you rather have a 'Gearhead' at the wheel, or your plain old motorist?
While a plain old motorist will be able to drive the jacked up ElCamino just fine, they may FEEL very uncomfortable in it, and probably won't know how to 'use' things like the air shocks. ;)
But that's just me ;)
- Do you like to configure the ignition curves for your engine?
Most people want to just get in the car and drive. Heck, they want to NOT know the gory little details.Do you like to machine your own oil-filter base plate?
Do you like to plumb your air intake exactly the way you want it?
Do you like to adjust the exhaust pipe lengths to change the resonant frequency?
Except to some people, the gory details include "What does it mean when the oil light flashes?"
"What does the manual say?"
"Manual?"
If people are going to compare computers to cars, they shouldn't complain about how hard it can be to fix them (ie. Oil Change, Tire Change, Rotation.. and WHY those things need to be done), no matter what OS they're running.
Installing a Printer in one OS may be a little different than in another OS, but in reality is more like 4 on the floor vs on the console. It's not hard, just DIFFERENT.
Why XP is better: Drivers: Point and click to install (as a superuser, of course). Windows warns you if the driver isn't likely to work properly, and can roll back to working drivers if you deliberately choose to install one that hoses your system.
Yeah. You WISH. I've REALLY had much better luck with linux and funky hardware, than Windows and funky hardware. Most recently I have an ATA-66 controller with a Highpoint chipset. Sure, the BETA drivers are stable, but guess what? They have a different NAME than the drivers from the OEM. Guess what happens when you UNINSTALL a driver? It gets removed from the 'listed' products, but the DRIVER STILL EXISTS. I had XP (win2k also I think) crashing on me on bootup because it was trying to load TWO DIFFERENT DRIVERS FOR THE SAME PIECE OF HARDWARE. What the hell does 'REMOVE' mean to MS programmers?
In any case. I also liked the 'As good as Mandrake 8.1 was, it wasn't what I was after' and 'Eventually I became dissatisfied with Mandrake, and briefly tried a number of other distros until I finally settled on Debian.'
Apparently, he had good luck with both distros, but all of a sudden was BORED with them. At least that's how I read it. That's not a reason that linux isn't for the desktop, it's a reason that linux isn't for HIM.
They want something that works. I like Opera, I want it free, there's a funky comic up there right now.
If I can get Opera for free, and they can get enough money off that add I sometimes click to support future development, then I say go for it.
How do we know companies won't start paying distro's (like RedHat) for desktop placement rights? Perfect source of income for the distro, and can be clicked or removed by the end user.
Try assigning a class to that TD and then assigning a hover value to it. Or even doing a p hover. Some derivative of that should work on NS 6+ or Mozilla.
Since you're getting specific ;)
Check out testsite.valeoinc.com/valeoinc.com
You'll see basically two options. In IE, the menu lights when you do either a hover on the menu or a hover on one of the two images. Granted, I could have the Javascript code wrong.
Yeah, I COULD make the menu work with just a hover, but it doesn't seem "right" to me.
Last time I played with it, Mozilla would change the TD background, but the text still had a black background. So I left it without a highlight. The link is functional, and it's an obivous menu item. I saw no reason to spend more time on 'flair'. I don't think the 'experience' is affected at all.
BUT, if you have a suggestion, I'm welcome to it. :)
Jesus Frank. Do I want to click that link? I hardly know ya.
Oh. It's not a 19in Ground Hog.
Yeah Well... Damn. You suck. :P
Some of us have so much work we need two computers!
I meant compliant as in corporate standards. Normally, removing IE and putting Opera isn't on the approved actions list. This probably only applies to bigger companies though...
Ahhh yes. I don't work well with large companies. They seem to have a problem with me deciding what technical direction the company should take :P (In fact, I consult for a former boss from that world, and he still does the same "I'll ask your opinion, then ignore it" shit. Ah well, we're all familiar with the technical prowess of the executive accountant ;) )
Just be careful.. soon he/she will start installing their own software and the next thing you know, you'll be trying to figure why WinSpeed 2002 doesn't play nice with Super Contact List 98 muha!
I don't have to worry about that. These guys PERSONALLY report any and all Norton Virus Notifications. I have them wrapped around my little finger! :P (Now I wish I would have saved that picture of the girl 'bowing' in my doorway ;)
Really? I've had basically ZERO issues on Windows, and random crashes on Linux with Opera. Most of the Opera issues I've run into are 'site display' related. I don't know what you mean by "non-compliant", are you following an MS-approved list? Like the Hardware guide? In any case, IE was being a major nuisance (because of the virus/cache issue), and it definately had to go.
Though I CAN see Opera not being on one of those lists. I installed 'Compatibility Pack 2' on my XP test machine, and sure enough, it broke Opera and Litestep, both MS replacement apps! :P
I would love to see the IT folks when they come over to fix his computer next time and he has no IE to run updates and Opera comes up as the default web browser. Unless you *are* the IT dept ;-)
There, you hit the nail on the head! Yep, I AM the IT department, and the president is 3 offices over from me ;). (Oh, and the Deer outside my window - ok, I'm done rubbing it in.)
In any case, The IEradicator doesn't REALLY remove IE completely, you can still open a folder in explorer, and type in an URL to browse with IE. I've had more problems with Windows Update after removing VBScript than I've had with IEradicator.
You think that's bad, I'm beta-testing OpenOffice too! (but not on the President's machine yet!)
You have to admit, though, it's weird when the president asks you about the "squashed cat" on her monitor.
Long pause..."Oh that's Irfanview. You'll be able to view some of those pictures you couldn't before, and it's free."
That's like saying if I want to wire my house a certain way, and the building codes from 88 don't allow me to, then I should just go ahead and do it my way because the codes are 14 years old.
If NS and Opera want to compete, they need to make *their* browsers compatible with the new de facto standard.
Hell, even when I tried making my stuff NS compatible, Mozilla is so full of rendering bugs that it was impossible.
No.. You just need to try harder, or do it differently. Sure, I have a site that works a little better in IE (the TD background color is changable - remotely - in IE, as a highlight, while not in Opera/NS), but if I used an image instead, it would work just fine.
There ARE multiple ways to accomplish the same thing. By not conforming to the existing standards, and buying into the extended monopoly, you're only screwing the rest of us into a specific browser.
And remember, just because it looked right in IE, before you tried it in Mozilla, doesn't mean you didn't account for IE's rendering bugs.
For example. Did you know that for absolute width, there IS no standard? Some browsers include the browser border, while others do not. It hasn't been addressed. This can easily be worked around, and is well-known. I think you just need to do more research.
"Wow. Now I see what you mean about web sites not being compliant." She told me. "Our site looks ok, why don't others?"
"They don't properly test them, or think some flair is really necessary that's only supported in IE 5.X. They forget Web Browsing is like window shopping in a Ferrari. You move on to the next one REAL quick."
Though I have to say Opera's pop-up management sucks compared to Mozilla's. Since I've installed Mozilla for her, I havn't heard a peep. Before it was "Some links just don't work anymore" - which was due to Opera not opening REQUESTED Javascript URLs.
BTW, I just didn't think it was a 'grand' idea to replace the presidents browser, but IE kept storing/retrieving some virus in it's cache (maybe from Eudora's preview?), and the calls from the president about viruses on her PC were getting annoying. Not to mention the reboot required to delete the IE Cache file that's ALWAYS open due to the wonderful Win98 integration! ;)
(*sigh* No, once the file is detected by NAV as having a virus, you can't do anything with it.. But it's open so it can't be quarrantined... get it? :P)