Luckily, "fast" food places won't waste time trying to sell you stuff that you don't want . . . they want to serve you and get one to the next customer, as quickly as they can.
You'd think so, right? But recently, the trend at my local KFC drive-through is a recording: "Welcome to KFC, would you like to try our _____?", to which I growl "No", and then I get to talk to a human. I have no idea why it irritates me so much, to be honest.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not a fan of Wu. It's pretty obvious she's using this experience as a publicity springboard (now for political purposes), like she's done since the beginning. Even with all that, nope, still no excuse for death threats or other hateful messages. Same with Sarkeesian, who I disagree with in many cases, but found some of the points in her videos interesting. I've never understood the rage directed at her, other than that she was a convenient target.
Even if GamerGate were originally about a lack of integrity in the gaming press (and yes, I do believe there were probably some shenanigans at Kotaku), the message was completely overshadowed by a very real phenomenon, which is the incredible amount of verbal abuse women tend to receive online. No, it's not exclusive to them, but they seem to get a disproportional amount of vitriol. And frankly, compared to that, even as a gamer, that seems a lot more important than the original story.
Thanks for at least conceding the point about substituting the names. I guess we'll disagree about the demographics, although I'll also concede there's bound to be some some, if not an exclusive overlap of idiots.
Unfortunately, I've found there are nasty, bitter people in just about any group you care to name. No one has a monopoly on goodness. I've learned that because I have lots of friends and family on both sides of the political isle, and the vast majority of them are extremely nice people, who wouldn't wish ill of anyone. And I've seen nasty, hateful people on both sides as well, who I want as little to do with as possible.
Are you not aware that US airlines pay a mandatory cash penalty to passengers for forcibly bumping them? Read this FAQ from Southwest.
The highlights are:
* They try to find volunteers, and give cash bonuses and vouchers to entice this (one-way ticket cost voucher + $100). If longer than 2 hours, $300 in cash plus the voucher. * If passengers are forced to wait, they get a check for $675 or a voucher for double one-way fare, their choice, if under two hours delay. For longer, a max of $1,350 or voucher for four times one-way fare.
There are always a percentage of people that don't make their flight, and this helps to maximize the passenger load on the flights, at some occasional inconvenience to passengers. Given the financial penalties, airlines certainly don't want to consistently overbook either.
"Getting screwed?" It certainly wouldn't be pleasant to get forcibly bumped, but I think I could deal with the trauma of an hour delay for $675 in compensation.
Yes, of course they do. I thought this was common knowledge. From what I've seen, airlines typically deal with over-booking by offering passengers free first-class upgrades on a later flight, or other perks to induce people to voluntarily give up their seats.
I wouldn't be surprised if they *don't* overbook flights at the busiest time of the year, since that's almost a guaranteed money-loser for them, but I have no evidence either way. Has anyone ever experienced overbooked flights at busy holidays, etc? I suppose it's also airline-specific.
You can't possibly subscribe to that logic. Fact: there happen to be many felons that vote Democrat. Therefore, I'm going to substitute Democrats wherever I see the world felons from now on, because Democrats are currently more news-worthy. You see how silly and dishonest that is, right?
GamerGate was an unholy mess that encompassed gaming media, personal vengeance, sexism, and feminism in ways that I still don't pretend to understand (there are two VERY different accounts, with no solid proof of either). At the very least, no matter what else, I've felt that Wu and others like Sarkeesian didn't deserve the nasty harassment they got. I mean, damn, it's only videogames, and this is me as a gamer and game developer saying this. But I haven't heard of anyone politicizing it before now.
Well, I suppose it's my bad for thinking GamerGate couldn't get any uglier. Just remember who dragged politics into this festering fail-stew.
We're extrapolating based on the fact that it seems increasingly difficult to keep secrets these days, even the NSA, who have admitted that Snowden's leaks have been very "damaging" to them. What about the Italian hacking firm "Hacking Team" which was itself hacked, and all its secrets laid bare? I'll bet some of the Democratic National Committee's leaked internal e-mails even talked about such security concerns. And then there's good ole Yahoo, with about a billion leaked e-mail credentials at last count.
So sure, such future leaks are hypothetical, but given the dismal record of both governments and corporations keeping secret things secret, I think it's reasonable to question whether a master key that unlocks every phone in the US is such a great idea, given what a colossal and valuable target it would be. I don't think it would be out in a week, but I think it's almost inevitable that it would eventually get out into the wild.
Because large-scale infrastructure resists change by sheer inertia. It's the same reason the US hasn't gone metric. Even if the "new" is arguably better, no one likes to fix problems caused by deliberately designed incompatibility.
One of the great strengths of C++ is that nearly any ancient code from decades ago can still compile today on a C++14-compliant compiler. The language committee went to great lengths to avoid making incompatible changes over the years. When there are billions of lines of C++ code out there, that's a responsibility that you need to take seriously. This dedication to backwards-compatibility means that developers have little fear about investing in significant C++ development, without worrying about a language designer that suddenly decides to go in a new direction and break ties to the past, leaving them in a nasty position (especially if your language requires a run-time interpreter).
As you can tell, I'm not a fan of breaking backwards compatibility in languages. If you *must* do it, be prepared to deprecate those features over *decades*, because that's how long things like that will linger around. The Python developers *vastly* underestimated the pain that decision would cause, and the time it would take to get resolved. Apple *still* ships 2.7 on their machines.
I'd like to know when "alt-right" became synonymous with GamerGate.
Oh, I get it. "GamerGate" is dead news, and outside of the gaming community and tech journalists, no one knows what the hell it is. "Alt-right" is a hot topic, though. Nevermind that the two have jack-all to do with each other.
Studios have also cut down on pre-rendered cutscenes because they're obscenely expensive to produce, and these day, with graphical fidelity what it is, you might as well your in-game assets for in-game cutscenes where needed. It's far less jarring.
But more than that, when your character in a cinematic does something really cool, you tend to think "why couldn't I have done that?" I think it's a very welcome trend to see cinematics that advance story or enhance emotional connections, but NOT using them at big action moments.
I completely agree. Opposition to nuclear means we'll probably just stick with the status quo, which is currently coal or natural gas, for the bulk of our base load power. I think it's a good idea to move forward with all technologies, though.
Many people are just not rational about nuclear power, unfortunately.
Also, to avoid pad exhaustion, the pad would probably be used to generate temporary/ephemeral symmetric keys and for some other things like the initial setup of the communication. The actual "meat" of the communication would be encrypted with the ephemeral, symmetric keys.
And oops! It's no longer a one-time pad. As soon as you start using an algorithm, by its very nature, you're now leaking a very slight amount of information, because the output is no longer actually random either. This exactly why a one-time pad isn't practical for most applications. It's only effective if it's the same length as the message being encrypted. Any attempt to "cheat" and you compromise the encryption integrity.
Besides, modern ciphers actually DO use true random numbers to generate the initial symmetric keys, typically using Diffie-Hellman key exchange, in which it's impossible for anyone to intercept the key even if they listen to the entire exchange. So you might as well skip the one-time pad, and you get the exact same effect.
Because it is a political stunt to get the Republicans to overturn it when Trump gets in so the Libtards can further perpetuate the climate hoax and point their widdle fingers at the bad, meany, conservatives...
Meh. I'm totally okay with leaving those oil fields alone for now. I consider it a strategic reserve of sorts. The price of oil is fairly low right now, so it's not like there's a current energy crisis we're facing. Let's keep reducing our oil dependence for the time being, though.
I'm certainly not some nut who protests big oil in plastic canoes and kayaks (made from oil), but I also don't see a real urgency to drill in those areas right now. I'm also not of the opinion that we can just shut off our oil dependency overnight. It's going to take decades to do that. It's best to start working on the problem at a sustainable pace, and we do have to at least move forwards. The way I figure it, even if AGW were a total fabrication (not that I believe that), it's still in our best strategic interest to become energy independent, and the only way to do that long term is with sustainable energy. That seems like an argument anyone can get behind, so long as we don't kill our economy in the process.
We'll see what happens in the Trump administration, but I don't see a lot of public pressure to reverse this right now, given our current energy situation. If the price suddenly spikes before we have any real clean energy alternatives in place, then things might be different. Until we're a bit more oil independent, the price of oil has a ripple effect across the entire economy.
if you refuse to let some non-elected no UK people have a say in your laws then literally no one will sign a trade deal or treaty with you of any sort
I'd love to know how you explain China then. Why would the EU deal with them and not the UK? The notion that the EU would trade with China but NOT the UK over this seems a bit far-fetched, doesn't it?
I agree it might make trade deals slightly more difficult, but hardly impossible. I don't have a stake in Brexit and disagree vehemently with the Snoopers law, but I don't think it's going to have any real impact on trade. Because money.
Does circumventing the filter mean you're breaking the law? I'd be curious about that. If so, it would mean anyone who buys a computer and installs Linux Mint (non-South Carolina version) on their PC has now broken the law. I sort of doubt it, though, as they can't be so stupid as to believe that would hold up in court.
I'm all for going after human trafficking if legislators feel that's an issue they need to tackle. But we've already got plenty of Federal Legislation that specifically addresses this, so it's not like this issue is being ignored. I'm just vehemently opposed to feel-good / do-nothing legislation, because even the *best* legislation has negative, unintended side-effects. Try to solve the problem honestly. Direct some of your existing budget to stamping it out, creating coalitions, working with federal agencies, whatever you need.
This is just a round-about way of trying to block porn thrown into an unrelated bill. Or at best, you could call it a porn tax. I'm not a big fan of government telling adults which websites they should or shouldn't be viewing, so long as they're legal.
I'd love to know if anyone consulted someone who knows *anything* about computers before proposing this, because there's no way this can be enforced, and any circumvention would be trivial. Also, since when does the vast majority of porn have anything to do with human trafficking? It's an actual industry, with paid actors. They're conflating legal and illegal pornography, and mixing in access to websites that let you hire prostitutes for good measure.
The problem with crying racist is that you no longer have the ability to discern between real racists and simple political opponents. Apparently, we actually had to come up with a new word to differentiate between the normal right and the racist right, or alt-right. Unfortunately, I've now heard many identifying everyone who voted for Trump as alt-right. So, we're now going to need some sort of control to differentiate between the normal alt-right and the truly racist alt-right.
When you call it "Super Mario ______", people will automatically have certain expectations based on the history of the franchise, especially when it looks so much like the classic game. Moreover, the premium price of the product also sets certain expectations. Many of the reviewers of No Man's Sky stated that they were more harsh than had it been more reasonably priced at a typical indy game level, rather than as a AAA game.
If people are giving it bad reviews, then maybe they feel the didn't get their money's worth of entertainment from the product. Reviews are inherently subjective, so there's no "right or wrong" there, aside from the predictable percentage of trolls, I guess.
In the videogame industry at least, C# is extremely popular for tool development and scripting, while C++ is largely used for engine and game code. It's a clean, well constructed language, is similar enough to C++ to train up programmers easily, and integrates well with native C++ code. JavaScript is occasionally used as a scripting solution and for web integration (or web games, of course), but it's not quite as popular for general purpose use, from what I've seen. Lua is still used for runtime scripting as well, while various other languages like Python or Java contribute in minor ways with tools and automation.
So, once again, a language pissing match is completely pointless unless you specify what you're actually developing, and how it will be used and deployed. How often do I have to say this? Different languages, different strengths.
I notice nobody bothered to discuss the bail amount - $100,000! That's outrageous, only people of means could possibly raise that, poor people just rot in prison until their trial eventually happens. In the mean time they can't earn an income and the bills keep coming in.
Yeah, I also suspect we're going to need legislation that demands automatic security updates for a reasonable lifetime of these devices. It's not viable to only provide updates for, say, the warranted period, because these are devices that may last for a decade or two, and if they have a security flaw, they can be used to actively harm others. The market won't self-correct for this issue, because it's a safety issue that's not readily apparent to the user, nor does it actively harm that user, instead collectively harming others.
I have a feeling manufactures would be a lot more careful with security and less eager to jump on the IoT bandwagon if they knew they were signing up for a *very* long support tail. Instead, they're treating these tiny internet-connected computers like any other disposable hardware, and that model is proving to be insufficient when the internet and security issues are thrown into the mix.
Smartphone manufactures took a few years and a couple of really nasty security flaws (and subsequent bad press) to get dragged to that conclusion as well. Well, some are starting to get it, while others still think they can "sell and forget".
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Luckily, "fast" food places won't waste time trying to sell you stuff that you don't want . . . they want to serve you and get one to the next customer, as quickly as they can.
You'd think so, right? But recently, the trend at my local KFC drive-through is a recording: "Welcome to KFC, would you like to try our _____?", to which I growl "No", and then I get to talk to a human. I have no idea why it irritates me so much, to be honest.
Don't misunderstand, I'm not a fan of Wu. It's pretty obvious she's using this experience as a publicity springboard (now for political purposes), like she's done since the beginning. Even with all that, nope, still no excuse for death threats or other hateful messages. Same with Sarkeesian, who I disagree with in many cases, but found some of the points in her videos interesting. I've never understood the rage directed at her, other than that she was a convenient target.
Even if GamerGate were originally about a lack of integrity in the gaming press (and yes, I do believe there were probably some shenanigans at Kotaku), the message was completely overshadowed by a very real phenomenon, which is the incredible amount of verbal abuse women tend to receive online. No, it's not exclusive to them, but they seem to get a disproportional amount of vitriol. And frankly, compared to that, even as a gamer, that seems a lot more important than the original story.
Thanks for at least conceding the point about substituting the names. I guess we'll disagree about the demographics, although I'll also concede there's bound to be some some, if not an exclusive overlap of idiots.
Unfortunately, I've found there are nasty, bitter people in just about any group you care to name. No one has a monopoly on goodness. I've learned that because I have lots of friends and family on both sides of the political isle, and the vast majority of them are extremely nice people, who wouldn't wish ill of anyone. And I've seen nasty, hateful people on both sides as well, who I want as little to do with as possible.
And the government is funded by capitalism. It takes both to make things work.
Are you not aware that US airlines pay a mandatory cash penalty to passengers for forcibly bumping them? Read this FAQ from Southwest.
The highlights are:
* They try to find volunteers, and give cash bonuses and vouchers to entice this (one-way ticket cost voucher + $100). If longer than 2 hours, $300 in cash plus the voucher.
* If passengers are forced to wait, they get a check for $675 or a voucher for double one-way fare, their choice, if under two hours delay. For longer, a max of $1,350 or voucher for four times one-way fare.
There are always a percentage of people that don't make their flight, and this helps to maximize the passenger load on the flights, at some occasional inconvenience to passengers. Given the financial penalties, airlines certainly don't want to consistently overbook either.
"Getting screwed?" It certainly wouldn't be pleasant to get forcibly bumped, but I think I could deal with the trauma of an hour delay for $675 in compensation.
Yes, of course they do. I thought this was common knowledge. From what I've seen, airlines typically deal with over-booking by offering passengers free first-class upgrades on a later flight, or other perks to induce people to voluntarily give up their seats.
I wouldn't be surprised if they *don't* overbook flights at the busiest time of the year, since that's almost a guaranteed money-loser for them, but I have no evidence either way. Has anyone ever experienced overbooked flights at busy holidays, etc? I suppose it's also airline-specific.
You can't possibly subscribe to that logic. Fact: there happen to be many felons that vote Democrat. Therefore, I'm going to substitute Democrats wherever I see the world felons from now on, because Democrats are currently more news-worthy. You see how silly and dishonest that is, right?
GamerGate was an unholy mess that encompassed gaming media, personal vengeance, sexism, and feminism in ways that I still don't pretend to understand (there are two VERY different accounts, with no solid proof of either). At the very least, no matter what else, I've felt that Wu and others like Sarkeesian didn't deserve the nasty harassment they got. I mean, damn, it's only videogames, and this is me as a gamer and game developer saying this. But I haven't heard of anyone politicizing it before now.
Well, I suppose it's my bad for thinking GamerGate couldn't get any uglier. Just remember who dragged politics into this festering fail-stew.
We're extrapolating based on the fact that it seems increasingly difficult to keep secrets these days, even the NSA, who have admitted that Snowden's leaks have been very "damaging" to them. What about the Italian hacking firm "Hacking Team" which was itself hacked, and all its secrets laid bare? I'll bet some of the Democratic National Committee's leaked internal e-mails even talked about such security concerns. And then there's good ole Yahoo, with about a billion leaked e-mail credentials at last count.
So sure, such future leaks are hypothetical, but given the dismal record of both governments and corporations keeping secret things secret, I think it's reasonable to question whether a master key that unlocks every phone in the US is such a great idea, given what a colossal and valuable target it would be. I don't think it would be out in a week, but I think it's almost inevitable that it would eventually get out into the wild.
Because large-scale infrastructure resists change by sheer inertia. It's the same reason the US hasn't gone metric. Even if the "new" is arguably better, no one likes to fix problems caused by deliberately designed incompatibility.
One of the great strengths of C++ is that nearly any ancient code from decades ago can still compile today on a C++14-compliant compiler. The language committee went to great lengths to avoid making incompatible changes over the years. When there are billions of lines of C++ code out there, that's a responsibility that you need to take seriously. This dedication to backwards-compatibility means that developers have little fear about investing in significant C++ development, without worrying about a language designer that suddenly decides to go in a new direction and break ties to the past, leaving them in a nasty position (especially if your language requires a run-time interpreter).
As you can tell, I'm not a fan of breaking backwards compatibility in languages. If you *must* do it, be prepared to deprecate those features over *decades*, because that's how long things like that will linger around. The Python developers *vastly* underestimated the pain that decision would cause, and the time it would take to get resolved. Apple *still* ships 2.7 on their machines.
I'd like to know when "alt-right" became synonymous with GamerGate.
Oh, I get it. "GamerGate" is dead news, and outside of the gaming community and tech journalists, no one knows what the hell it is. "Alt-right" is a hot topic, though. Nevermind that the two have jack-all to do with each other.
She kinda sounds like a politician already.
I'll take stroopwafels, olliebollen, Gouda cheese, Zoute Drops, and groentesoep met balletjes, thanks.
But... but... they couldn't let Chrome hit version 100 before Firefox, right? What would people think if Chrome was 90 versions ahead of them?
Studios have also cut down on pre-rendered cutscenes because they're obscenely expensive to produce, and these day, with graphical fidelity what it is, you might as well your in-game assets for in-game cutscenes where needed. It's far less jarring.
But more than that, when your character in a cinematic does something really cool, you tend to think "why couldn't I have done that?" I think it's a very welcome trend to see cinematics that advance story or enhance emotional connections, but NOT using them at big action moments.
I completely agree. Opposition to nuclear means we'll probably just stick with the status quo, which is currently coal or natural gas, for the bulk of our base load power. I think it's a good idea to move forward with all technologies, though.
Many people are just not rational about nuclear power, unfortunately.
Also, to avoid pad exhaustion, the pad would probably be used to generate temporary/ephemeral symmetric keys and for some other things like the initial setup of the communication. The actual "meat" of the communication would be encrypted with the ephemeral, symmetric keys.
And oops! It's no longer a one-time pad. As soon as you start using an algorithm, by its very nature, you're now leaking a very slight amount of information, because the output is no longer actually random either. This exactly why a one-time pad isn't practical for most applications. It's only effective if it's the same length as the message being encrypted. Any attempt to "cheat" and you compromise the encryption integrity.
Besides, modern ciphers actually DO use true random numbers to generate the initial symmetric keys, typically using Diffie-Hellman key exchange, in which it's impossible for anyone to intercept the key even if they listen to the entire exchange. So you might as well skip the one-time pad, and you get the exact same effect.
Actually, isn't this now illegal with recent legislation? Or am I misunderstanding that new law?
Because it is a political stunt to get the Republicans to overturn it when Trump gets in so the Libtards can further perpetuate the climate hoax and point their widdle fingers at the bad, meany, conservatives...
Meh. I'm totally okay with leaving those oil fields alone for now. I consider it a strategic reserve of sorts. The price of oil is fairly low right now, so it's not like there's a current energy crisis we're facing. Let's keep reducing our oil dependence for the time being, though.
I'm certainly not some nut who protests big oil in plastic canoes and kayaks (made from oil), but I also don't see a real urgency to drill in those areas right now. I'm also not of the opinion that we can just shut off our oil dependency overnight. It's going to take decades to do that. It's best to start working on the problem at a sustainable pace, and we do have to at least move forwards. The way I figure it, even if AGW were a total fabrication (not that I believe that), it's still in our best strategic interest to become energy independent, and the only way to do that long term is with sustainable energy. That seems like an argument anyone can get behind, so long as we don't kill our economy in the process.
We'll see what happens in the Trump administration, but I don't see a lot of public pressure to reverse this right now, given our current energy situation. If the price suddenly spikes before we have any real clean energy alternatives in place, then things might be different. Until we're a bit more oil independent, the price of oil has a ripple effect across the entire economy.
if you refuse to let some non-elected no UK people have a say in your laws then literally no one will sign a trade deal or treaty with you of any sort
I'd love to know how you explain China then. Why would the EU deal with them and not the UK? The notion that the EU would trade with China but NOT the UK over this seems a bit far-fetched, doesn't it?
I agree it might make trade deals slightly more difficult, but hardly impossible. I don't have a stake in Brexit and disagree vehemently with the Snoopers law, but I don't think it's going to have any real impact on trade. Because money.
Does circumventing the filter mean you're breaking the law? I'd be curious about that. If so, it would mean anyone who buys a computer and installs Linux Mint (non-South Carolina version) on their PC has now broken the law. I sort of doubt it, though, as they can't be so stupid as to believe that would hold up in court.
I'm all for going after human trafficking if legislators feel that's an issue they need to tackle. But we've already got plenty of Federal Legislation that specifically addresses this, so it's not like this issue is being ignored. I'm just vehemently opposed to feel-good / do-nothing legislation, because even the *best* legislation has negative, unintended side-effects. Try to solve the problem honestly. Direct some of your existing budget to stamping it out, creating coalitions, working with federal agencies, whatever you need.
This is just a round-about way of trying to block porn thrown into an unrelated bill. Or at best, you could call it a porn tax. I'm not a big fan of government telling adults which websites they should or shouldn't be viewing, so long as they're legal.
I'd love to know if anyone consulted someone who knows *anything* about computers before proposing this, because there's no way this can be enforced, and any circumvention would be trivial. Also, since when does the vast majority of porn have anything to do with human trafficking? It's an actual industry, with paid actors. They're conflating legal and illegal pornography, and mixing in access to websites that let you hire prostitutes for good measure.
Idiots.
The problem with crying racist is that you no longer have the ability to discern between real racists and simple political opponents. Apparently, we actually had to come up with a new word to differentiate between the normal right and the racist right, or alt-right. Unfortunately, I've now heard many identifying everyone who voted for Trump as alt-right. So, we're now going to need some sort of control to differentiate between the normal alt-right and the truly racist alt-right.
I propose "ctrl-alt-right".
When you call it "Super Mario ______", people will automatically have certain expectations based on the history of the franchise, especially when it looks so much like the classic game. Moreover, the premium price of the product also sets certain expectations. Many of the reviewers of No Man's Sky stated that they were more harsh than had it been more reasonably priced at a typical indy game level, rather than as a AAA game.
If people are giving it bad reviews, then maybe they feel the didn't get their money's worth of entertainment from the product. Reviews are inherently subjective, so there's no "right or wrong" there, aside from the predictable percentage of trolls, I guess.
In the videogame industry at least, C# is extremely popular for tool development and scripting, while C++ is largely used for engine and game code. It's a clean, well constructed language, is similar enough to C++ to train up programmers easily, and integrates well with native C++ code. JavaScript is occasionally used as a scripting solution and for web integration (or web games, of course), but it's not quite as popular for general purpose use, from what I've seen. Lua is still used for runtime scripting as well, while various other languages like Python or Java contribute in minor ways with tools and automation.
So, once again, a language pissing match is completely pointless unless you specify what you're actually developing, and how it will be used and deployed. How often do I have to say this? Different languages, different strengths.
I notice nobody bothered to discuss the bail amount - $100,000! That's outrageous, only people of means could possibly raise that, poor people just rot in prison until their trial eventually happens. In the mean time they can't earn an income and the bills keep coming in.
I guess you're not familiar with bail bonds?
Yeah, I also suspect we're going to need legislation that demands automatic security updates for a reasonable lifetime of these devices. It's not viable to only provide updates for, say, the warranted period, because these are devices that may last for a decade or two, and if they have a security flaw, they can be used to actively harm others. The market won't self-correct for this issue, because it's a safety issue that's not readily apparent to the user, nor does it actively harm that user, instead collectively harming others.
I have a feeling manufactures would be a lot more careful with security and less eager to jump on the IoT bandwagon if they knew they were signing up for a *very* long support tail. Instead, they're treating these tiny internet-connected computers like any other disposable hardware, and that model is proving to be insufficient when the internet and security issues are thrown into the mix.
Smartphone manufactures took a few years and a couple of really nasty security flaws (and subsequent bad press) to get dragged to that conclusion as well. Well, some are starting to get it, while others still think they can "sell and forget".