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IBM Employees Protest Cooperation With Donald Trump (theintercept.com)
Reader Presto Vivace shares a report on The Intercept: IBM employees are taking a public stand following a personal pitch to Donald Trump from CEO Ginni Rometty and the company's initial refusal to rule out participating in the creation of a national Muslim registry. In November, Rometty wrote Trump directly, congratulating him on his electoral victory and detailing various services the company could sell his administration. The letter was published on an internal IBM blog along with a personal note from Rometty to her enormous global staff. "As IBMers, we believe that innovation improves the human condition. ... We support, tolerance, diversity, the development of expertise, and the open exchange of ideas," she wrote in the context of lending material support to a man who won the election by rejecting all of those values. Employee comments were a mix of support and horror. Now, some of those who were horrified are going public, denouncing Rometty's letter and asserting "our right to refuse participation in any U.S. government contracts that violate constitutionally protected civil liberties." The IBMPetition.org effort has been spearheaded in part by IBM cybersecurity engineer Daniel Hanley, who told The Intercept he started organizing with his coworkers after reading Rometty's letter. "I was shocked, of course," Hanley said, "because IBM has purported to espouse diversity and inclusion, and yet here's Ginni Rometty in an unqualified way reaching out to an admin whose electoral success was based on racist programs."
Get over it! Trump!!!
IBM partnered with a nice man back in the 30s from Germany and that turned out just great!
If only they had shown that kind of backbone during the Obama years and made such a statement about any involvement of IBM in NSA surveillance, creation of massive financial and medical databases on US citizens, and drone killings.
We support, tolerance, diversity, the development of expertise, and the open exchange of ideas," she wrote in the context of lending material support to a man who won the election by rejecting all of those values.
Here's a thought - perhaps Trump indeed DOES support all those values, and you are all biting at yet more Fake News that attempts to claim he does not... time and again you find that items that paint Trump as a nazi or what have you are all vastly blown out of proportion and based on people or things Trump does not actually support and has disclaimed.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The muslim registry is a leftist fake news, he never said anything about that, anyway the nsa have enough resources to do that, in fact they should have this kind of registry for years.
At least oppose trump with facts, this one is just gossip-
IBM was happy to collaborate with Hitler. Why not Trump? Or any other despicable national leader? After all, business is business, right, IBM?
Where the fuck are all these special-snowflake IBM employees when they have no problem helping their corporate masters commit actual violations of civil liberties in China?
http://vannevar.blogspot.com/2...
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
He was shocked that his CEO turned out to be a sociopath? Who woulda thunk that CEO's would be sociopaths?
Obligatory article.
same as the old boss
You mean national registry of immigrants, don't you? Anything else is just lies.
people REALLY are that stupid.
To be replaced with obedient employees who do what they're told when they're told because they're told.
Surprisingly insightful. You can't pick and choose what you get outraged about.
As an employee of IBM or any other company for that matter, you do not have the right to refuse participation in any task you are assigned.
Also, last I heard Trump only wanted a list of Syrian Refugees that are Muslim. (NONE OF THESE ARE AFFORDED CIVIL LIBERTIES BY THE U.S. CONSTITUTION!!!!!!!!)
If he did, it was — likely as not — out of concern for those freedoms and the rights we cherish. Because Islam is incompatible with many of them.
Granted, other religions also frown at "unbelievers" (that is, believers in something else) and "immoral" behaviors, but only Islam compels the followers to not only disapprove of, but to actively right the perceived wrongs.
About 300 years ago, a bunch of White Christian men thought a nation with the First Amendment being among the laws of the land. Even today it is impossible to imagine a similar group of Muslims writing down anything of the kind.
Islam, which considers people like Barack Obama apostates , is incompatible with the First Amendment. Ironically, it is exactly that law, which prevents us from doing much about the threat. But I would not condemn Trump for trying...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
So, some libtards "espouse diversity and inclusion" by refusing to help the most diversified and inclusive society, as the USA is, protect itself against the enemy of diversity and inclusion, as the Muslims are...
They should read Scott Adams writings about cognitive dissonance and the art of persuasion. This one for example: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1...
> No, he advocated for an immigration registry to help with the immigration vetting process.
The two are not mutually exclusive. He's been deliberately vague, letting people read whatever they want into what he says. That's standard for Trump who likes to be on all sides of an issue so he can always claim to have been on the "right" side when it is politically expedient for him. And his worshippers think he's a staight-talker!
Here he is, when given a chance to make it crystal clear that he was not pushing a registry of all muslims.
George Stephanopoulos asked Trump, "You did stir up a controversy with those comments over the database. Let's try to clear that up. Are you unequivocally now ruling out a database on all Muslims?"
"No, not at all,"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/24/donald-trumps-comments-database-american-muslims/
f he did, it was — likely as not — out of concern for those freedoms and the rights we cherish. Because Islam is incompatible with many of them.
Yes, we must protect the values we cherish by destroying them.
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength
Or back when IBM cooperated with actual Nazis?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
One could argue China's policies are generally none of our business, but this registry *is* the business of USA. Clean up our own house first.
Table-ized A.I.
Where was the outrage over a registry of gun owners, also protected under the constitution.
They are protesting something that will never be created, because when the rhetoric was translated into reality, it was a proposal to reestablish the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS)[1], which was in force through half of President Obama's presidency, and which tracks certain individuals who enter the United States based on country/region of origin and other factors. Useless publicity stunt with commensurate absolutely abysmal coverage by The Intercept.
See also:
8 U.S. Code  1182 - Inadmissible aliens[2]
"Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President:
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."
Flashback:
"The Secretary of State and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly."[3] -- President Jimmy Carter, April 7, 1980
[1] https://www.ice.gov/nseers
[2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
[3] http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu...
Well, you can and they do, but not while maintaining integrity or the moral highground.
They signed a partition instead of quitting. Their scruples stop where their paycheck might.
Seriously, they can do it for him, just have to find the right ppl.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Useful backstory to IBM's thinking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
Get over it! Trump!!!
Trump made David Friedman the US Ambassador to Israel. He'll want to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem and then the Middle East will explode.
I say GOOD! Because I'll have Oil futures. Oil will skyrocket with a regional war.
Trump wants to make a muslim database? Go ahead. I don't mind making money off that.
And when the US is at war with China because of Trump's antics? Good! I got money in defense contractors.
And when I roll by a cemetery and see a Trumpette burying his son because he died at some dipshit war that Trump got us into, I'll remember that one of my companies made more money and I'll smile.
I refuse to argue with stupid. I will make money off it and rub it in their faces.
My inspriation are the Krupps, Hugo Boss, and the all time champions Hall of Fame profiteers off of stupid people and their governments - The Rothchilds.
The people get the government they deserve and the American people deserve Trump because you are stupid.
And if it ever passed, how would they feel about the individuals who refused to participate in any projects providing technical backing to cap-n-trade? What about a national gun-owner registry which can be viewed by anyone? Gun ownership is a guaranteed constitutional right just as the right to practice a religion is a guaranteed constitutional right.. IBM is a private company. Refusing to participate in its projects does not make anyone a conscientious-objector employee. It makes them insubordinate employees. The conscientious thing to do in such a situation is not to object to participate in a project. It is to resign. Hoping to both refuse to participate in company's projects and to keep drawing salary from the company is slimy.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
Seriously, how much of your own kool-aide can you drink?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...
(warning, bs autoplaying video)
"âoePresident-elect Trump has never advocated for any registry or system that tracks individuals based on their religion, and to imply otherwise is completely false," Jason Miller, Communications Director of the Presidential Transition Team, wrote in a statement. "The national registry of foreign visitors from countries with high terrorism activity that was in place during the Bush and Obama Administrations gave intelligence and law enforcement communities additional tools to keep our country safe the President-elect will release his own vetting policies after he is sworn in.""
The article goes on to illustrate where the idea apparently came from, in a probably-misheard question during a rally.
From what I can see, a good 50% of the panic the left is feeling over the Trump presidency is being startled by THEIR OWN STRAWMEN.
-Styopa
To help them with the Holocaust and use of Nazi concentration camps.
So are we saying that trump is worst then that.
Also IBM build systems for the Japanese internment camps
I expect him to follow through too!
Trump's incoming DHS said that they are not going to do a registry already. Although one news article left that part of his answer of will there be a registry. "We are not ruling anything out..." And the story dropped "but there will be no registry." Talk about fake news.
These people supporting this petition are probably not even IBMers. Like many things on the internet, this is not checked at all. Why is this news on slashdot?
Lol, you don't make money off defense contractors you sorry 3rd world troll. You make the rough equivalent of USD 200 per month, tops. How does it feel to be so irrelevant that you can only get a job pretending not to be?
He is, without a doubt, the most successful internet troll of all time. He may be a colossal failure at a number of other things, but he is the troll to which all other trolls will be left to aspire to be for the rest of existence.
When we recognize this, we ought to wonder if the Muslim Registry is just presented as just another act of trolling. Sure, he has championed a great number of Really Bad Ideas, but this one would be beyond the pale for the overwhelming majority of all people. At least his proposed wall doesn't blatantly fly in the face of any enumerated constitutional rights, but this Muslim Registry inarguably does.
It's hard to really imagine that he actually wants to do this. He must be trolling us, right?
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
I thought Trump was the fascist based on what I had been repeatedly "told" by the mainstream media, but in hindsight and after Hillary's FASCIST speech about "Fake News" and all of this BULLSHIT Russian Propaganda, it's obvious that she's the FUCKING FASCIST!
If you are illegal, we want you out. While illegal immigrants from Eastern Europe, I'm looking at you too.
A lot is said about America being a land of immigrants. It is true. Sadly you are not going to be one of them.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
With all of their experience and expertise from the Nazi concentration camps, IBM, will be well positioned to create the new national muslim registry. IBM is evil and should be made to pay for the atrocities it participated in, but that will never happen. America loved the nazis, and still does.
> because IBM has purported to espouse diversity and inclusion
But you see, everyone only purports to espouse that stuff.
And one would be an idiot, as applying that argument to IBM and the Nazis would illustrate.
As if anyone needs IBM to build a simple database.
Surprisingly insightful. You can't pick and choose what you get outraged about.
Of course you can. It's called partisanship and it happens all the time. The Red/Blue Team will always get outraged when the Blue/Red team does something the Red/Blue team did when it was in power, but that was different because they were the ones doing it! For instance, I'm looking forward to the return of the anti-war left, missing since 2008.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
1. "Some of them are good people" disqualifies Trump's statements from "racism", as actual racism is a judgment grounded -solely- on race. That some Mexicans (like all groups) are rapists, is not racism, it is simple fact. Further, "Mexican" is not a race, it is a country of origin.
2. "Muslim" is not a race, it is an ideology. An ideology that has proven to generate an unusually large number of terrorist attacks and murders.
Liberals can now proceed on from failing to understand basic words, and continue with the usual irrational and hypocritical projections of attributes onto others.
Oh shit, we got an Internet Tough Guy over here...
The more we Want Trump in there... Cry LOUD liberals. It no longer matters....
"I was shocked, of course," Hanley said, "because IBM has purported to espouse diversity and inclusion, and yet here's Ginni Rometty in an unqualified way reaching out to an admin whose electoral success was based on racist programs."
Is he so naive as to take internal corporate propaganda seriously, as if the most senior management was actually pursuing diversity and inclusion altruistically, and if they were, for any purpose other than cynically as a means to increase profits?
This guy not only had his bubble burst that IBM leadership weren't really ideologically invested in social justice, but that that they're calculating business leaders willing to go along with just about anything if there's money and long term value in it for IBM.
I guess it's finally happened the inmates are running the asylum. What are these 'racist programs' that Trump actually won on vs the rhetoric he espoused at times...I wouldn't have voted for either one of the yahoos running for the major parties but people need to get their heads out of their ass already. Seriously what exactly as 'workable policies' did Trump actually advocate?
1) Build a wall to keep illegal immigrants out of the country - o.k. a total wall over > than a 1000 miles isn't going to happen but what country on the planet doesn't have control of its borders?
2) No amnesty for Illegal Immigrants (not 'undocumented' making it sound like its all legal but just lost their 'documents') - again this is about controlling immigration to a sustainable level. I don't know of any other country on the planet that has truly 'open borders'. The EU does not have 'open borders' other than for those in the EU, that's equivalent to the open borders across States in the US NOT countries. I don't see Italy, Poland, France, Greece etc. allowing any & all comers.
3) Calling out Islamic terrorism for what it is - there are several billion people on the planet whose government IS a 'religious dictatorship' and they so happen to be Muslim (coincidence?). The only equivalent I know of in the Christian world is the Vatican & nobody is worried about the Vatican exporting terrorism (though we might want to watch out for pedophil's amongst them).
Trump was certainly NOT politically correct, but what has political correctness actually done for us other than to imply everybody's beliefs are equally safe...they aren't and maintaining such a fiction will simply lead to real totalitarianism and it won't be Trump's doing.
If these people truly feel that strongly about doing contract work for the Trump administration, then whey don't they put their money where their mouth is and quit their jobs on the spot? But they won't do that. It is much easier and safer to do this stupid virtue signalling that means nothing. Nice work; here is your pat on the head and participation trophy. Now STFU and get back to work.
Oh fuck sakes. It's not a pick and choose. Either you live by ethics or you don't.
You get to vote for your representatives, but when your boss says "we're doing X" then you damn well do X or get fired.
It's odd how we all operate under the illusion that we have a choice here. Sure, you can quit...but where do you go to next? He called all the tech heads into a meeting. They're all doing the same thing.
You can keep your politics and your ethics right up to the point you die freezing in a box by the side of the I-101.
Surprisingly insightful. You can't pick and choose what you get outraged about.
Sure you can. It's easy:
All you have to do is hold the US Constitution high over your head and claim that you live by it, and then cry like a little bitch when:
1) some half-nígger takes a knee during the national anthem,
2) a couple of faggots want to get married
3) anyone wants to burn the US flag
Can you clear something up for me? What is the criteria you use to pick and choose who is allow to exercise their first amendment rights, and who isn't? Skin color? Who they choose to stick their dick in? Who they pray to?
Why are people are such delicate fucking snowflakes?
The various national security teams are already doing this.
he advocated, very loudly and on tape, for just such a thing. Politifact has sources that can be followed, and most of them are Trump himself.
/. these days...
Jesus, the things that get modded up on
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but when you work for a corporation - you have NO RIGHTS! IBM could just fire all their butts and not blink.
The Truth is a Virus!!!
and India. IBM dumped almost all of it's non-Sales staff except a few researches to work on high profile projects that keep them in the news. IBM has long since switched to being an Indian outsourcer who occasionally does some research as part of a broader marketing push. They said as much around 2008 when they did their last round of layoffs.
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of letting the liberals and deviants survive, and breed and eventually bring back the need for a Final Solution? :)
On the bright side, the Jews are on the 'right' side of it this time, so the purges can commence unopposed (and any Jewish person protesting is obviously not a True Jew and can die amongst the miscreants they sided with!)
syringe - used to inject whatever make this post sound like a good idea :)
It takes the courage of this few to steer this monster away from greed and inhuman behavior. Reminder: a corporation only exist because we empower it. If we chose to we can terminate their existence.
I don't think you know what "fake news" is.
They'll have to update their Fall plan to include a few more RAs I guess.
And, it took all of about 37 seconds before someone compared a businessman and reality TV star to a vicious, military-style dictator who started a world war that caused the death of more than one hundred million people and methodically murdered millions of people in concentration camps.
Old Adolf didn't start as a Dictator. He started as a ex-corporal and failed artist who found that he got a lot of attention screaming about how Jews were filthy and communists were evil in front of beer hall crowds. He wasn't particularly smart, but he was very charismatic. The similarities between Trump and Adolf's character and politics is striking and rather alarming to people who study world history. The people who just want to demonize Trump will of course throw around the comparison as it suits them.
No, Donald hasn't committed genocide. Comparing him to Hitler in that sense is completely ridiculous. I think the concern that people have about him is that he comes off as a populist bully, someone who is completely willing to throw followers of Islam and Mexicans under the bus in order to gain populist support. In that sense of the comparison, he is very much like Hitler.
Godwin's 'Law', notes that it is OK to discuss Nazis in the context of a topic that pertains to Nazis. So provided that we are not just trying to demonize him, it seems fair. There is a real concern that Trump is going to do some very evil things with power, and starting a national Islam database seems very similar to Germany's first steps with Jewish people. IBM was the company who sold Germany the machines to make punch cards and trace genealogy of Jewish people, so this should be a very touchy topic for IBM.
I don't care if you are pro or anti Trump. Don't get your opinions about him from pundits or talk show hosts. Just watch for yourself what he does very closely and think about history. It is usually a rerun...
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
and my ethics say not everything is black or white and that one must choose their battles to better focus rather than try to take on the whole world.
If Mother Teresa tried to cure cancel, balance national budgets, and make sure all airport restrooms had toilet paper, she probably wouldn't be as successful as she was.
Table-ized A.I.
Apparently the nice people at IBM are still trying to live down their cooperation with the Nazis in WW2, when they helped with the cataloging of undesirables in the concentration camps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_during_World_War_II
Yeah, it's true. The role of IBM's German subsidiary, known as Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Gesellschaft was documenting operations which allowed the Nazis to better organize their war effort, and in particular the Holocaust and use of Nazi concentration camps.
I don't think you'll find a Project Plaque for this in the lobby of IBM's main office, but I could be wrong. In any case, props to them for not getting involved this time.
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More reading available at http://www.ibmandtheholocaust....
IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.
Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.
But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.
IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Unfortunately there is no mod for 'surprisingly' insightful.
I propose "ctrl-alt-right".
Finally, someone proposes trying the Switch Desktop Hotkey to get us out of 2016... it might work after ten days or so of trying... one sec...
Real lawyers write in C++
Wtf you talking about? The GP is a piece of shit who enjoys making money on death and misery and if there was a hell, he'd have a special place.
But I don't know wtf you're getting on about $200 usd a month. Defense contractors have nice profit margins (e.g 42%) and make billions. I think you misunderstood.
who conflated nationalism with racism. Building a wall between Mexico and the US is simply common sense border protection. The theoretical and much-hyped yet unsubstantiated "muslim registry" is to register religious nutters. None of that involves racism.
Sounds like IBM is due for an internal cleanse to wash out some parasitic imbeciles.
Seriously. IBM is a business, not a social platform. If you don't like how your employer does business, quit, and never do business with them again. Join some Socialist Party and whine to people that care. Otherwise your likely making decisions outside of your pay grade.
Where the fuck are all these special-snowflake IBM employees when they have no problem helping their corporate masters commit actual violations of civil liberties in China?
http://vannevar.blogspot.com/2...
I'll feed the troll. Some comments:
1) IBM absolutely deserves to get crap for their past decisions - but there were a LOT of companies that profited off of WWII in some manner. IBM's just didn't do as good as a job hiding their role as they should have compared to other companies.
2) MOST current IBM employees were born AFTER WWII. MOST current IBM employees in a company of 400k+ have absolutely no interaction/influence of business done in China. It would be the equivalent of saying "I object to the horrible acts of ___ that ___ religion/company performed ___ years ago and a small group of individuals from that religion/company is performing in ___ area of the world today - therefore I should quit that religion.company".
3) I'm sad to see this posted to Slashdot. A good discussion would be on what role Tech CEO's will play on the incoming US president-elect. This current focus on a limited number of employees reacting negatively to a corporate CEO playing politics is a tabloid story being picked up by mainstream media (and unfortunately now Slashdot).
4) The individual who went public with this is the equivalent of a Software Engineer II - barely above a new hire. This individual is NOT a technical executive or respected senior non-executive engineer within IBM making a public statement - i.e. this isn't Bruce Schneier or an equivalent. I don't expect this individual will be disciplined directly. There are PLENTY of opportunities to reassign to crap positions with impossible goals to meet to either force them to quit OR poor performance records naturally come as a result. Pure speculation on my part, but and I don't see individual lasting another 2-3 years in corporate culture.
Disclaimer: Posting as AC for obvious reasons.
Rommety who is a CEO whose company created the Jewish registry for the Nazis writes to Trump at the time he announced he is creating a Muslim registry and you claim there is no connection? You are either stupid or pretending to be stupid.
"Hitler and his hatred of the Jews was the ironic driving force behind this intellectual turning point. But his quest was greatly enhanced and energized by the ingenuity and craving for profit of a single American company and its legendary, autocratic chairman. That company was International Business Machines, and its chairman was Thomas J. Watson" http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/black-ibm.html
Here's footage https://youtu.be/pkoM8RB-kJ0
Hope one day it happens to you!
Once looks an accident. Twice looks deliberate.
However, another invention did exist: the IBM punch card and card sorting system—a precursor to the computer. IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success. IBM Germany, using its own staff and equipment, designed, executed, and supplied the indispensable technologic assistance Hitler's Third Reich needed to accomplish what had never been done before—the automation of human destruction. More than 2,000 such multi-machine sets were dispatched throughout Germany, and thousands more throughout German-dominated Europe. Card sorting operations were established in every major concentration camp. People were moved from place to place, systematically worked to death, and their remains cataloged with icy automation. http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/black-ibm.html
Knowing that International Business Machines has always billed itself as a "solutions" company, I understood that IBM does not merely wait for governmental customers to call. IBM has amassed its fortune and reputation precisely because it generally anticipates governmental and corporate needs even before they develop, and then offers, designs, and delivers customized solutions http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/b/black-ibm.html
One could argue China's policies are generally none of our business...
Well, it was literally IBM's business, so... it's pretty damn hypocritical.
Asked on MSNBC in November 2015 whether the White House should institute a database system to track Muslims in the country, Mr Trump replied: “Oh, I would certainly implement that, absolutely.”
just 10 more comments and we'll hit 370.
The employees in the USA refuse to assist in building a Muslim registry and so the project is quashed. Unless IBM can find a country with a technically adept population that they can offshore it to or wave a fist full of H1B visas at. I, for one, do believe that such registries are inherently anti-American and do not support them; but to believe that in a country where where all branches of government are dominated by those whose want such a registry, either for cynical political gain or because they are so deluded as to truly think they will work, will not have it is foolhardy. I wonder how many petition-signers, when faced with the choice of "do it or be replaced" will rationalize taking a morally bankrupt position.
Management has yet again tricked some idiot employee into leading a fake rebellion to lure the other malcontents out of the woodwork and build the list for the next round of layoffs. You'd think people would learn, but they never do...
I don't get it, you Americans are ALL in a fucking database already, you have a no fly list (in a database) that has children on it. What's one more? I would rather be in a muslim database then on your oh so secret no fly list database. You don't actually think they are going to create ANOTHER database just for muslims, no, they are going add a foreign key and move on (if it's not there already). Do you honestly think your NSA doesn't already track all muslims? Standing on your soap box and wailing that you won't stand for it (pun intended) is fucking retarded. It's already done, this is just more anti trump hysteria - the very reason why people who support some of trumps views keep that to themselves, because if you do agree with some trumpism you get viciously attacked. So you shut your mouth and walk away, but vote for trump anyway. (I am not American btw, but I can see why he was a surprise winner of the election).
There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
But Islam is not a race. It's a fascist ideology / religion.
This reminds me of something similar.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
No OT, no original sin (so dying on the cross for nothing), no god, no creation of the universe, no point to the NT.
Deal.
This type of thinking is why people say "IBM, Where good ideas go to die". You have to sell product if you want to keep your jobs. Let Marketing do it's thing. Plenty of your servers have already been sold to the FBI and are engaged in spying on us.
Acorn. To the Rs, absolutely NOT ALLOWED to run as a PAC.
The IRS pursued people who claimed charitable status, which precludes politics being the platform, who were running a political punditry site. You know, tax evasion. Which is what the IRS was supposed to be doing. But when it's "YOUR guys", suddenly the IRS should never be investigating claims of tax fraud....
Right....
I work for a multinational and its behaviour in different countries and regimes is very much my business. The specifics of employment law must follow regional legislation, compliance regimes differ but the company remains fully in control of who it does business with, and accountable for the impacts of that business.
No, he advocated for an immigration registry to help with the immigration vetting process. The "Muslim Registry" was part of that fake news that people seem to think helped Trump win the election.
I must call you out on this: it is not "fake news". It is actual news based on something he said. The transcript is here. It's clear that to a degree he is being led on by the reporter and, as is often the case, isn't really thinking about the answers he's giving. He provides vague replies about "management" being the solution and appears distracted. Nonetheless, what's most striking is that he doesn't attach much significance to the concept of a Muslim database. It seems like a totally reasonable idea to him. If I was a Muslim in the US, this is what would worry me. My worry would be compounded by his reaction to the questions in the second half of this video. He's asked about the racial discrimination which a database might bring about and repeatedly avoids the question. He has an opportunity to clarify his views and reassure, but he doesn't take it. It is worrying when someone reacts in the way that he does and none of this information is in any way "fake".
Your video really more shows the opposite of what you claim. Trump never volunteers anything about a "Muslim Registry". The interviewer instead opens with the question "would you support a database for tracking muslims", which is clearly trying to call him out, reveal his racism, or put words in his mouth depending how you want to view it. Trump agrees, but his later comments put some question on what he was agreeing to. He repeatedly references it as a method for stopping illegal immigration. It sounds as though the interviewer is talking about a 'muslim' database but Trump is responding and talking about an immigration database.
Plainly the interview doesn't give you warm fuzzies for Trump, but it's not exactly a smoking gun for him supporting a Muslim registry either, it looks equally strongly like a 'fake' news attempt to make it look like he supports one.
Do you have some better, less nuanced sources? We have video/audio recordings of blaming climate change on a chinese conspiracy, and about grabbing women by there private parts. Surely if Trump supports a muslim registry there is something more conclusive than what looks like a baited question that Trumps mind translated over to immigration database instead of muslim registry.
Though I would not want that to happen, I don't see, why it is a graver concern, than Sharia.
Christianity is a the "official religion" of a number of countries, most of which are routinely used as examples for the unwashed Yanks on how to live. Did you know, British monarch is the head of the country's church? Yes, Britain has a state church. Or take Norway — Bernie Sanders' favorite place — they too have an official "state church".
It seems wrong to you and me, because we are Americans and value the First Amendment, but it is not evil.
Meanwhile, the two countries, where Sharia is the law of the land, are Iran and Saudi Arabia... And Islam, unlike Christianity, makes civil law part of the faith. Though it may have been an improvement over some barbaric traditions it replaced in the 7th century, Sharia is decidedly evil today.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I've probably watched 100 episodes of the Young Turks. I would not call them "shouting heads". They are just normal people talking about the news they find.
If you really believe that you scare me. It means you see his narrow minded bigotry and hate as normal or justified. Here's at least some snippets of a video of him getting himself thrown off a flight on American Airlines. He removed it from his own channel after awhile. He had it there back when it first happened because I guess he thought it made him look good initially, and then he changed his mind after people started seeing it. Here's a more full cut too.
for the same reasons:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/resigning-from-oracle-george-a-polisner
You have the right to not work for IBM and work somewhere else more fitting your beliefs.
Sure, you think someone was racist but you are too stupid or retarded to know what the word means.
Here is an example from the mouths of snowflakes and retards:
"People that talk about illegal aliens are racist."
But Adults know:
Immigration is about Nationality, which has nothing to do with race.
Illegal aliens are felons, which has nothing to do with race.
Illegal aliens should be deported, based on the laws of this nation, which has nothing to do with race.
When did we pass the 50% mark on the u.s. population having some sort of mental deficiency?
When you say things that are not true, you become the origin of 'fake information', and the Adults will no longer count your existence.
"I was shocked, of course," Hanley said, "because IBM has purported to espouse diversity and inclusion, and yet here's Ginni Rometty in an unqualified way reaching out to an admin whose electoral success was based on racist programs."
Because anyone who has a problem with illegal immigration is automatically RACIST!! So most countries with strict immigration policies must be racist (i.e. Japan, Canada, Australia).
I am making the subtle implication that he most likely took notice of her body the moment it became a sexually-mature adult
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the modern liberal, no thought is too crude or vile or uncalled for them to present.
Thank you sir for your filthy mind and mouth, for it is you and people like you that directly led to Trump's successful election. I take it we can count on you to further your efforts along these lines to ensure a second Trump term in office?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The realities of inter-sect war eventually shaped existing Christian working doctrine into a more practical shape. Islam seems to be just starting that process, the equivalent of 1500's and 1600's where Christian sects clobbered the hell into each other for so long without progress that people eventually realized endless war was futile and deadly, and thus worked out deals to coexist.
It's not that the root of Christianity is more peaceful, it's that the Big Fist of History shaped it to be more peaceful.
Islam may need the same lesson. Let's just hope they don't clobber the entire planet first.
Table-ized A.I.
Seems very appropriate. I'll make sure I never hire his stupid ass.
Fire everyone of those employees. They are out of line and making such statements is not in their job description. Fire them. They can be easily replaced.
Trump proposed a registry for immigrants from Muslim countries. That's not a national registry -- it doesn't apply to existing US citizens. And it doesn't register anyone of a particular religion. It applies ONLY to immigrants from countries sourcing Muslim terrorism. If you come from such a country, you're going on the registry, even if you profess Christianity. This is a criminal control measure.
SO STOP LYING
Clearly, you haven't paid any attention to defense stocks. The link here is to a five year chart showing four major defense contractors.
https://finance.yahoo.com/char...
Just another day in Paradise
You are making the same mistake over and over again. Here you assume that an IQ test measures intelligence in an accurate, repeatable way. It does not.
I read this thread and it started with the claim that Blacks don't swim as well as other races, which tends to filter them out from the Coast Guard and Marines.
I searched for the USMC boot camp graduation requirements and found this:
http://www.mcrdpi.marines.mil/Recruit-Training/Graduation-Requirements/
Coast Guard:
https://www.gocoastguard.com/active-duty-careers/enlisted-opportunities/advance-through-training
Army:
http://work.chron.com/qualifications-army-boot-camp-3938.html
Racial composition of the armed services are on page 19 of this document:
http://www.prb.org/source/acf1396.pdf
Demographics of the uniformed services:
http://www.statisticbrain.com/demographics-of-active-duty-u-s-military/
So, the Coast Guard has rather rigorous requirements for swimming, the Marines not as rigorous but being able to float is required. The Army does not appear to have any requirement to swim or even float to graduate boot camp. This shows up as Blacks making up about 1/5th of the Army, 1/10 of the Marines, and 1/20th of the Coast Guard. The requirements to run, shoot, and do push ups don't seem to be all that different so it would seem the correlations between swimming ability and race is strong. With the Navy having a very minimal water survival training, which really just sounds like they want to make sure you know what to do if you get wet, we see a very similar composition between Navy and Army.
When comparing services with no swimming requirement, USAF to Army, the difference in race proportions cannot be explained by swimming. An alternate explanation, or one that is in addition to the swimming requirement, is intelligence. If you want to claim the issue is more a matter of education than intelligence then that works too. If it was only a matter of intelligence/education then there should not be much of a difference between the Army, Navy, or Marines since they all have similar AFQT score requirements. Also the Coast Guard and USAF should not vary as much with their minimum score being above 50.
As I understand the argument the racial differences in swimming ability shows a strong correlation with racial composition in the uniformed services, where swimming ability fails to explain it all then education/IQ could play a part. If a certain race performs poorly on the AFQT and the IQ test then that merely means that AFQT and IQ testing correlate well. If what you say is true that IQ tests have some sort of bias on culture or education then the solution could be to properly educate Blacks and integrate them into the larger American culture.
Here's something I ponder. If we've had federally funded, equal opportunity, public education for something like 50 years and Blacks still perform poorly on IQ tests then what is the explanation? Are public schools racist or is there a correlation between race and IQ? I pose neither as an answer, only that it would seem these are the most likely answers to choose from. I also would offer as something to ponder is what other explanations there may be to explain this difference.