OS and Hardware are not (anymore) mutually exclusive. Check out Microsoft's Virtual Server, VMWare, or any other hardware virtulization product on the market today.
That's why these were invented - to run legacy applications on legacy OSs. You can take a dual processor P4 Xeon server, run 20 virtual machines on it, for less that the cost of upkeep of your aging PII fleet. Virtulization is a proven, cost effective way to maintain old apps and OSs when the cost of new hardware has outgrown the value of one specific application. Put a bunch of stuff on one pieve of HW and all of a sudden, it makes a ton of sense.
On a side note, there's no reason that you can't obtain older versions of OSs and run them on newer hardware. There's nothing stopping you from installing NT4 or W2K on a 1.5GHz Celeron for $399 as long as you have the install media, which, if you have servers with that OS installed, you most certainly have the CDs somewhere.
RAID isn't going to help you if your building goes up in flames.
RAID isn't going to help you if a file is deleted accidentally.
RAID isn't going to help you when someone comes in and steals your boxen.
In 15 years I have never, ever, EVER recommended that someone back up to optical media as their only recovery method. DAT drives can be had in the sub-$200 range, and the $/MB cost is cheaper than DVD media - and much more reliable.
I realize that this doesn't really answer your question, but it's an important point that shouldn't be overlooked.
Not to go a-trolling, but if keeping your network(s) running properly is a priority of yours, there's no such thing as a "long weekend". How long have you been in IT?:-)
> System dies and you want to transfer the license? Sorry! You have to buy it again! Why? You paid for it once, now on a system that will no longer function.
If you break out the costs, a new XP shrink-wrap license is around $299 for the pro version. You only really pay around $65-$85 for the OEM version.
If you buy the full one, feel free to use it wherever you want.
> What makes them believe they have the authority to make such restrictions in the first place?
If you're pushing back on Sharepoint only b/c its a closed source product, you should reevaluate your position.
Sharepoint is VERY easy to use/implement on a base level. The learning curve remains small for users as you add features, and only increases marginally for the admins/developers.
I don't even think IPSec allows for you to communicate with machines on the same LAN on the same Subnet.
W2K and up does this flawlessly. It's very easy, actually - just set up a policy on the domain and you can require, request, or deny IPSec on a per-port basis, even. Add Windows PKI services, and your security increases to a per-PC PKI keypair instead of a per-domain shared PKI keypair.
What do you really know about Software Assurance. In no way is it a "subscription" model. It's upgrade insurance.
You buy a full license to an MS product. If you want to leave it at that, then do so. It's yours forever. If you want to pony up a few extra $$$ you can get automatic upgrades as they become available.
Get some facts together before you declare MS a subscription warehouse.
I already bought an XBox, I already bought a PS2 - love them both. Variety is the spice of life, right? For $99, it's a great deal for something I know I'll use, but didn't want as my #1 system when I had a choice of 3. Probably the same for a lot of people.
So why is MS posting this? Nothing in this seems like it can't wait 8 days...
Oh and for all of you who don't use Windows SUS - why not? I'm going to patch 350 machines with 5 clicks later this week. Stop your bitchin and get better tools.
I remember reading that wireless keyboards were very prone to sniffing and that it was trivially easy for most wannabe haxz0rz to grab your keystrokes passively.
Is there any proof behind this and/or does anyone have experience trying to do this? How easy/hard was it?
Percentage-wise, I'd bet a meeelion dollars that the folks here on/. are much more familiar with VoIP, TCP/IP, Cisco, MS, etc. than they are with whatever the heck the kids are using these days for enterprise analog voice networks.
Is it any suprise that everyone on here, pulling from their "wide" experience on both types of networks, thinks that things are oh-so-much worse with VoIP than they were/are with analog?
Look: vulnerabilities exist everywhere. If you had more people on this board that do analog telephony as a hobby/job than do PCs/*nix/etc. the articles would all be about Lucent/AT&T's switch vulnerabilities and how we should all switch to the "new bulletproof VoIP" stuff I keep hearing about.
I'll also bet *2* meeeeeelion dollars that if MS wasn't mentioned in the article, that nowhere near as many people would be jumping on this (although that's a big fat DUH).
I've always wondered - when you plug something like this in, does your OS see 4 individual drives that you need to software RAID, or is that handled in the hardware and managed at POST/OS application interface?
Seriously - it's a phone. It's great that we have the technology and can do this, but please... my phone's a phone. It's bad enough I couldn't recently find a good one w/o a camera.
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You're missing a very big point in your logic:
OS and Hardware are not (anymore) mutually exclusive. Check out Microsoft's Virtual Server, VMWare, or any other hardware virtulization product on the market today.
That's why these were invented - to run legacy applications on legacy OSs. You can take a dual processor P4 Xeon server, run 20 virtual machines on it, for less that the cost of upkeep of your aging PII fleet. Virtulization is a proven, cost effective way to maintain old apps and OSs when the cost of new hardware has outgrown the value of one specific application. Put a bunch of stuff on one pieve of HW and all of a sudden, it makes a ton of sense.
On a side note, there's no reason that you can't obtain older versions of OSs and run them on newer hardware. There's nothing stopping you from installing NT4 or W2K on a 1.5GHz Celeron for $399 as long as you have the install media, which, if you have servers with that OS installed, you most certainly have the CDs somewhere.
HP has a line of WORM Ultrium tapes that satisfy your read-only requirement and provide all the performance and durability of standard tape backup.
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RAID isn't going to help you if your building goes up in flames.
RAID isn't going to help you if a file is deleted accidentally.
RAID isn't going to help you when someone comes in and steals your boxen.
In 15 years I have never, ever, EVER recommended that someone back up to optical media as their only recovery method. DAT drives can be had in the sub-$200 range, and the $/MB cost is cheaper than DVD media - and much more reliable.
I realize that this doesn't really answer your question, but it's an important point that shouldn't be overlooked.
You can't get MS's Anti-Spyware app through Windows Update. You probably downloaded one of the smaller threat-specific ones.
Not to go a-trolling, but if keeping your network(s) running properly is a priority of yours, there's no such thing as a "long weekend". How long have you been in IT? :-)
> System dies and you want to transfer the license? Sorry! You have to buy it again! Why? You paid for it once, now on a system that will no longer function.
If you break out the costs, a new XP shrink-wrap license is around $299 for the pro version. You only really pay around $65-$85 for the OEM version.
If you buy the full one, feel free to use it wherever you want.
> What makes them believe they have the authority to make such restrictions in the first place?
It's their software, they set the terms.
> Like, if my HPiece-of-shit laptop dies and I "transfer" my XP license to a Dell, does that count as piracy?
:-)
Yes. The version of XP you buy with a laptop is OEM and MS licensing clearly states that the license cannot be moved to a new PC.
However, I doubt that MS's update site would consider this pirated. It'll be on your Karme, though.
Virtual PC does this, too.
Like LC5 - Cracking^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HVerifying Password Security at the speed of light...
Verizon Wireless is so stupid. Their customers are stupid for sticking with them.
Microsoft innovates, their employees innovate.
If you're pushing back on Sharepoint only b/c its a closed source product, you should reevaluate your position.
Sharepoint is VERY easy to use/implement on a base level. The learning curve remains small for users as you add features, and only increases marginally for the admins/developers.
I don't even think IPSec allows for you to communicate with machines on the same LAN on the same Subnet.
W2K and up does this flawlessly. It's very easy, actually - just set up a policy on the domain and you can require, request, or deny IPSec on a per-port basis, even. Add Windows PKI services, and your security increases to a per-PC PKI keypair instead of a per-domain shared PKI keypair.
Let's not forget the difference between Dell moving 2,500 jobs to India and another company hiring people in India.
To me, it's much more a slap in the face to move existing jobs overseas than to create jobs overseas to begin with.
... one of the many many reasons I left.
* ponder *
What do you really know about Software Assurance. In no way is it a "subscription" model. It's upgrade insurance.
You buy a full license to an MS product. If you want to leave it at that, then do so. It's yours forever. If you want to pony up a few extra $$$ you can get automatic upgrades as they become available.
Get some facts together before you declare MS a subscription warehouse.
I already bought an XBox, I already bought a PS2 - love them both. Variety is the spice of life, right? For $99, it's a great deal for something I know I'll use, but didn't want as my #1 system when I had a choice of 3. Probably the same for a lot of people.
you're an idiot. the parent post hit it right on the head.
So why is MS posting this? Nothing in this seems like it can't wait 8 days...
Oh and for all of you who don't use Windows SUS - why not? I'm going to patch 350 machines with 5 clicks later this week. Stop your bitchin and get better tools.
I remember reading that wireless keyboards were very prone to sniffing and that it was trivially easy for most wannabe haxz0rz to grab your keystrokes passively.
Is there any proof behind this and/or does anyone have experience trying to do this? How easy/hard was it?
For the purposes of this discussion, analog = (anything that != VoIP)
Percentage-wise, I'd bet a meeelion dollars that the folks here on /. are much more familiar with VoIP, TCP/IP, Cisco, MS, etc. than they are with whatever the heck the kids are using these days for enterprise analog voice networks.
Is it any suprise that everyone on here, pulling from their "wide" experience on both types of networks, thinks that things are oh-so-much worse with VoIP than they were/are with analog?
Look: vulnerabilities exist everywhere. If you had more people on this board that do analog telephony as a hobby/job than do PCs/*nix/etc. the articles would all be about Lucent/AT&T's switch vulnerabilities and how we should all switch to the "new bulletproof VoIP" stuff I keep hearing about.
I'll also bet *2* meeeeeelion dollars that if MS wasn't mentioned in the article, that nowhere near as many people would be jumping on this (although that's a big fat DUH).
I've always wondered - when you plug something like this in, does your OS see 4 individual drives that you need to software RAID, or is that handled in the hardware and managed at POST/OS application interface?
Amen, brother! Sing it proud!
Seriously - it's a phone. It's great that we have the technology and can do this, but please... my phone's a phone. It's bad enough I couldn't recently find a good one w/o a camera.