But -- as of right now ("last updated 21:27 GMT, Wednesday, 21 October 2009"), the next-to-last paragraph of the BBC article says (copy/paste, emphasis added),
Oracle maintains that there would be no conflict of interest and has promised to sell off MySQL to get the deal approved.
And no, I'm not attempting either to Godwin the thread or to advocate suicide as a suitable solution to most personal problems, just pointing out that it's not always as simple as blanket statements such as yours make it out to be.
Ubuntu is the only distro I've encountered that appears to specifically disallow my standard practice of putting FF (and other user programs that IMO have no business being run as root) in my ~/bin. WTF??
As far as I'm concerned, that makes Ubuntu != Linux. Period.
What you mean is that they create useless features and make you think you need them.
Um, no. No. And no.
Dual-core/64-bit/4GB RAM. I work for a company that produces database and related software, and my job requires a portable platform (even when I don't travel, I regularly work in either of 2 offices in neighbouring cities, as well as my home) for doing daily builds and testing of software intended for deployment in a distributed environment (I sometimes need to be able to run 2-4 VMs simultaneously) and on several different operating systems (Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, and Windows); lots of hi-volume XML authoring and processing (I'm part of a 4-person team that collectively maintains the equivalent of 15,000+ pages of documentation in DocBook, large chunks of which I need to be able to output in several different formats, on demand -- CPU, meet xsltproc); several different sorts of network communications in real time (I'm normally plugged into 2 VPNs, several shells on different servers, sometimes a VNC session or two, Skype, etc., etc. It all adds up).
A big, fat disk. All those BZR, SVN, and HG trees take up lots of room, not to mention all the VMs I spoke of earlier.
17" screen/full-size keyboard. My job requires lots of multi-tasking, as I document, test, and interact with developers, support staff, QA, etc., in an organisation that's distributed across 30-odd countries on 6 continents. I normally use 6 desktops, and even then I need lots of screen estate on each one. I write an average of the equivalent of 7-10 printed pages a day, and small keyboards are more difficult to use (for me, that is, YMMV) and make my hands tire much more easily. I also have to do lots of reading, and when you hit your 40s (already not having the world's sharpest eyesight), maybe you'll start appreciating the difference a large, really hi-res screen can make. It sure as hell ain't about eye candy.... Well, okay, it *is* also nice for watching videos sometimes. But this is first and foremost a work machine, and I use it for just that, anywhere from 6 to 14 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week.
Built-in (but separate) numeric keypad. Makes typing bug report and issue IDs, version strings, etc., and performing calculations heaps faster if you know how to use one.
Lots of USB ports and a card reader. Very helpful.
This is a work machine, and I keep it busy.
The next cheapest model that met my requirements cost about 1.5 times what this one did.
And like I said, this is my third Acer laptop. And its two older brothers still run fine and still see considerable use. All three of them have travelled all over the world, tossed around in backpacks, dropped on concrete floors by ham-handed airport security staff, etc.
It's a bit embarrassing, actually, but my experience is that Acer's laptops take a licking and keep on ticking.
The 3D thing is about as useful to me as the proverbial screen door on a submarine, but just because *I* don't find it useful, that doesn't mean that it might not be useful to somebody else. (For something other than the Oooh Shiny! factor, that is.)
I'm on my third Acer laptop in 4 years (one for work, one for personal use, and a spare). I do not by any means consider myself an Acer fanboi -- they just keep coming up with the features I want at a good price point, and they seem to last a good long while (yes, I still sometimes use the one I bought in 2005).
This 'feature', however, is not likely to be among them. Might be cool for gamers and/or designers, though.
Postgres is BSD licensed. Even if the parent company is the victim of a hostile takeover, that means you can fork the existing codebase, and keep developing and using it.
Which you can also do with something that's GPL. Such as MySQL... and the Linux kernel.
It also means that it doesn't have the viral aspect of the GPL, either; so it's more business friendly as well.
Only if by "business-friendly" you mean "easy for businesses to take while giving nothing in return".
They have already killed mysql 6.0 "MySQL 6.0 was not developed beyond Alpha status and new releases have not been made for some time, so the manual has been withdrawn as well."
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/6.0/en/index.html
Wrong. We have NOT 'killed' 6.0, but it not going to be the focus of our development for a while, and we won't do any more official 6.0 releases for some time to come. But we HAVE moved it to the back burner, so to speak.
If you really want 6.0, you can get it right here:
No guarantees right now as to how well it'll build and run on any given day; I think I last built it last Tuesday or Wednesday, and it seemed to do okay, but of course YMMV. That being said, go get the code and knock yourself out.
In the meantime, we're backporting what we think are the best bits of 6.0 to 5.X.
NB: We have a choice between (a) honouring the policies on this page and (b) breaking contacts with paying customers.
Can you guess which of these we're more likely to do?
maybe is time to move to postgresql , firebird...
That's one of the reasons why it's called Free Software -- you're absolutely free to move to something else if you like, and we wish you every success with it if you choose to do so.
Everything adapts. Software will be something you rent on the Internet and never resides on your computer.
In your dreams, and Microsoft's perhaps. On *my* computer? I think not.
Music? The situation in China has "evolved" to the point where there is no more recorded music sold (or produced).
Been to China lately? When I was there last April, I saw plenty of Chinese music for sale.
(And my gf, who is from Canton, has boatloads of the stuff.)
In the West check your local radio stations... what is selling there is oldies. What will continue to "sell" will be music from the previous century and the Internet will be dominated by garage bands offering stuff for free in hopes of landing a gig.
I'm sure these guys (whom we listen to in the office nearly every day) will be interested in learning that Miss Li sounds like she recorded her stuff in the 1920s because she actually did...?
Movies? Eliminate digital distribution (DVDs) and you eliminate the problem.
User generated content? Check out YouTube for that, especially ShayTards and Magibon. This is the height of user-generated content and people are starting to discover (realize?) that it is crap. All crap, all the time. No, that isn't going to be the future of entertainment.
(I am going to burn in Hell for this, but...)
[citation needed]
What most people don't understand is we've grown an entire generation that believes it all should be free and will never, ever pay. This is going to require a major adaptation that most "media" and "entertainment" isn't going to survive, but the adaptation will eventually succeed.
No, only in your fantasy will it really all be free. Someone has to pay, and patronage doesn't work.
No, what we've got is a generation that views the 'Every conceivable juxtaposition of eyes/ears with content entails a licence fee' model with derision. And rightly so.
So we all have to pay for what we consume.
Please tell that to the rich folk who got that way by finding some way not to pay for something (a lot of something). Which would be most of them.
But wait -- that's what *they're* telling *you*, isn't it?
Hello, drinkpoo, I work for a major Open Source project and I already deal with my fair share of bugs reported by our users. The Slashcode devs can now kindly get up off their lazy arses and deal with theirs.
My apologies to Scandinavians who confuse orthography with phonology, but you're wrong. Easy enough to make this sort of mistake, since the written representations of your languages are almost completely phonetic, whereas written English is anything but -- please refer to photi for a rather extreme example.:)
I'm a native English speaker with a fair command of German and Spanish, and I can get by in Swedish (have been living in Stockholm for 2+ years now). Having been born in the Southeast US, grown up in the US Midwest, worked for a British publisher, and lived for many years in Australia, I also have rather more than a passing familiarity with several major different English dialects. Linguistics and phonology are lifelong interests of mine, backed by some university-level studies as well.
One thing that a lot of non-natives (such as you, apparently) fail to realise is this:
(a) English has only 5 letters representing vowels*.
(b) This has absolutely nothing to do with the number of English vowel sounds, of which there are about 20. Wikipedia lists only 13, which might be true of US "NBC Handbook" English, but this is definitely well short of the mark when you account for British, Canadian, US Southern, Australian, etc.
Just because we lack a Ø (Danish, Norwegian) or Ö (Swedish, German) character does not mean that we don't have or can't pronounce the sound. The "ou" in could or should comes quite close. If I show a Swede the letter sequence KÖD and ask him to say it aloud, my English ear will inform me that he's just said the word "should". (Not "could"; the high vowel makes the "k" soft.)
Native English speakers also have absolutely no trouble with Æ / Ä ("a" in bad, as pronounced by 90% of Americans) or Å (the "ore" in more as pronounced by many Brits and most Aussies), once they are shown what sounds these signs are intended to represent.
...
And it is annoying as fuck to have a Scandinavian keyboard and yet be forced by this site (alone amongst all those that I visit) to use the HTML entity references for Ä, Å, Æ, Ö, etc. Can we get with the 1990s and adopt Unicode sometime before the end of the decade, please?
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*I do not include Y, and you shouldn't, either, when talking about English vowels, because most English speakers do not consider it a vowel -- it's used 90% of the time to represent the semivowel that other Germanic languages spell with J. Depending on where you go to school, you might be taught that it's "sometimes" a vowel, or that it's simply a consonant that gets pronounced like a short "I" when it sometimes accidentally gets stuck in between other consonants, for lack of having any "real" sound of its own. It is almost never pronounced as Scandinavian Y or German Ü because that vowel sound is seldom if ever used by the majority of English-speakers, regardless of country/region.
Stallman has never programmed in either Mono or.NET. He has no idea what the relationship between C#, CLR,.NET, and Mono is...
That's preposterous -- it's like saying someone is in no position to judge whether or not the Nazis were evil... unless he speaks German.
Stallman's position is that anything built on Mono is built on a foundation of trust in Microsoft, which means a foundation made of sand.
You don't need to write any Mono code to judge whether or not his contention is true. All you need to know is that, time after time after time, Microsoft have demonstrated that they are not to be trusted.
Rather like the need of the Nazi party to erase the village that Adolph Hitler was born in. After all, how can you rewrite history convincingly, if physical evidence to the contrary exists?
WTF are you talking about? Braunau am Inn hasn't gone anywhere.
Windows 200 had major problems with hardware drivers. Printing was a real pain, and running both AutoCAD and office on the same machine was almost impossible...
My anecdotal evidence suggests the opposite of yours. I had 4 or 5 Windows 2000 Pro and Server boxes for several years, and found them to be generally reliable and efficient, even on older hardware. When I was writing, I'd typically be running MS Word/Access, Photoshop, a LAMP or WAMP stack, DreamWeaver, UltraEdit, and a few other goodies, on something like like an 800MHz P3 and 512 MB memory without any performance problems. Never had any issues with MS-certified drivers that I can recall.
I have no interest in making MS look better; two of the things that prompted my switch to Linux in 2004 were WinXP and Server 2003, each of which was a giant step backwards IMO. I could already see the direction in which Redmond was headed and knew that I didn't want to go there today. But Win2K generally rocked, and I even miss it a bit sometimes, especially when I have to deal with someone's XP or Vista machine.
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And given that Oracle is acquiring MySQL with this merger...
Maybe not -- at least, according to this report from the BBC, Oracle are now saying that they'll sell MySQL to gain approval.
I think this story possibly contains a typo.
But -- as of right now ("last updated 21:27 GMT, Wednesday, 21 October 2009"), the next-to-last paragraph of the BBC article says (copy/paste, emphasis added),
If true, this comes as quite a surprise.
What's your damage, mcgrew? You sound bitter.
History abounds with examples of people for whom suicide was probably the only sane choice.
And here are two fairly well-known examples from fiction.
And no, I'm not attempting either to Godwin the thread or to advocate suicide as a suitable solution to most personal problems, just pointing out that it's not always as simple as blanket statements such as yours make it out to be.
Dude, that is (and you are, apparently) just SO fucked up on so many levels, I wouldn't know where to begin.
I was wrong.
I do know what the execute bit is.
Too much info, too little brain, and some of the info leaked out, I guess.
One of the few times I really wish I could delete a comment, because that was just stupid.
Don't worry about it. Still one of the most clear-headed ./ posts I've read on the subject.
Ubuntu is the only distro I've encountered that appears to specifically disallow my standard practice of putting FF (and other user programs that IMO have no business being run as root) in my ~/bin. WTF??
As far as I'm concerned, that makes Ubuntu != Linux. Period.
I live in Stockholm, but the 'want to buy a Toyota' thing...? Well, it's just not happening for me.
What you mean is that they create useless features and make you think you need them.
Um, no. No. And no.
Dual-core/64-bit/4GB RAM. I work for a company that produces database and related software, and my job requires a portable platform (even when I don't travel, I regularly work in either of 2 offices in neighbouring cities, as well as my home) for doing daily builds and testing of software intended for deployment in a distributed environment (I sometimes need to be able to run 2-4 VMs simultaneously) and on several different operating systems (Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, and Windows); lots of hi-volume XML authoring and processing (I'm part of a 4-person team that collectively maintains the equivalent of 15,000+ pages of documentation in DocBook, large chunks of which I need to be able to output in several different formats, on demand -- CPU, meet xsltproc); several different sorts of network communications in real time (I'm normally plugged into 2 VPNs, several shells on different servers, sometimes a VNC session or two, Skype, etc., etc. It all adds up).
A big, fat disk. All those BZR, SVN, and HG trees take up lots of room, not to mention all the VMs I spoke of earlier.
17" screen/full-size keyboard. My job requires lots of multi-tasking, as I document, test, and interact with developers, support staff, QA, etc., in an organisation that's distributed across 30-odd countries on 6 continents. I normally use 6 desktops, and even then I need lots of screen estate on each one. I write an average of the equivalent of 7-10 printed pages a day, and small keyboards are more difficult to use (for me, that is, YMMV) and make my hands tire much more easily. I also have to do lots of reading, and when you hit your 40s (already not having the world's sharpest eyesight), maybe you'll start appreciating the difference a large, really hi-res screen can make. It sure as hell ain't about eye candy. ... Well, okay, it *is* also nice for watching videos sometimes. But this is first and foremost a work machine, and I use it for just that, anywhere from 6 to 14 hours a day, 6 or 7 days a week.
Built-in (but separate) numeric keypad. Makes typing bug report and issue IDs, version strings, etc., and performing calculations heaps faster if you know how to use one.
Lots of USB ports and a card reader. Very helpful.
This is a work machine, and I keep it busy.
The next cheapest model that met my requirements cost about 1.5 times what this one did.
And like I said, this is my third Acer laptop. And its two older brothers still run fine and still see considerable use. All three of them have travelled all over the world, tossed around in backpacks, dropped on concrete floors by ham-handed airport security staff, etc.
It's a bit embarrassing, actually, but my experience is that Acer's laptops take a licking and keep on ticking.
The 3D thing is about as useful to me as the proverbial screen door on a submarine, but just because *I* don't find it useful, that doesn't mean that it might not be useful to somebody else. (For something other than the Oooh Shiny! factor, that is.)
I'm on my third Acer laptop in 4 years (one for work, one for personal use, and a spare). I do not by any means consider myself an Acer fanboi -- they just keep coming up with the features I want at a good price point, and they seem to last a good long while (yes, I still sometimes use the one I bought in 2005).
This 'feature', however, is not likely to be among them. Might be cool for gamers and/or designers, though.
Wrong, and wrong. They're actually based in South Australia.
Postgres is BSD licensed. Even if the parent company is the victim of a hostile takeover, that means you can fork the existing codebase, and keep developing and using it.
Which you can also do with something that's GPL. Such as MySQL... and the Linux kernel.
It also means that it doesn't have the viral aspect of the GPL, either; so it's more business friendly as well.
Only if by "business-friendly" you mean "easy for businesses to take while giving nothing in return".
They have already killed mysql 6.0 "MySQL 6.0 was not developed beyond Alpha status and new releases have not been made for some time, so the manual has been withdrawn as well."
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/6.0/en/index.html
Wrong. We have NOT 'killed' 6.0, but it not going to be the focus of our development for a while, and we won't do any more official 6.0 releases for some time to come. But we HAVE moved it to the back burner, so to speak.
If you really want 6.0, you can get it right here:
https://code.launchpad.net/~mysql/mysql-server/mysql-6.0-codebase
No guarantees right now as to how well it'll build and run on any given day; I think I last built it last Tuesday or Wednesday, and it seemed to do okay, but of course YMMV. That being said, go get the code and knock yourself out.
In the meantime, we're backporting what we think are the best bits of 6.0 to 5.X.
so what is next ?
You'll find some answers to that question here...
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/mysql-next-series-plans.html
And here...
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.4/en/
And what's this? The latest release, from less than a week ago:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.4/en/news-5-4-3.html
That's the clone-off date, BTW. Binaries should be available here
http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/5.4.html
in a few days.
5.x on the death row
I think that's a bit of a stretch. Why don't you see what we say about it on the site?
http://www.mysql.com/about/legal/lifecycle/
NB: We have a choice between (a) honouring the policies on this page and (b) breaking contacts with paying customers.
Can you guess which of these we're more likely to do?
maybe is time to move to postgresql , firebird ...
That's one of the reasons why it's called Free Software -- you're absolutely free to move to something else if you like, and we wish you every success with it if you choose to do so.
Everything adapts. Software will be something you rent on the Internet and never resides on your computer.
In your dreams, and Microsoft's perhaps. On *my* computer? I think not.
Music? The situation in China has "evolved" to the point where there is no more recorded music sold (or produced).
Been to China lately? When I was there last April, I saw plenty of Chinese music for sale.
(And my gf, who is from Canton, has boatloads of the stuff.)
In the West check your local radio stations... what is selling there is oldies. What will continue to "sell" will be music from the previous century and the Internet will be dominated by garage bands offering stuff for free in hopes of landing a gig.
I'm sure these guys (whom we listen to in the office nearly every day) will be interested in learning that Miss Li sounds like she recorded her stuff in the 1920s because she actually did...?
Movies? Eliminate digital distribution (DVDs) and you eliminate the problem.
Wrong
and
Wrong.
User generated content? Check out YouTube for that, especially ShayTards and Magibon. This is the height of user-generated content and people are starting to discover (realize?) that it is crap. All crap, all the time. No, that isn't going to be the future of entertainment.
(I am going to burn in Hell for this, but...)
[citation needed]
What most people don't understand is we've grown an entire generation that believes it all should be free and will never, ever pay. This is going to require a major adaptation that most "media" and "entertainment" isn't going to survive, but the adaptation will eventually succeed.
No, only in your fantasy will it really all be free. Someone has to pay, and patronage doesn't work.
No, what we've got is a generation that views the 'Every conceivable juxtaposition of eyes/ears with content entails a licence fee' model with derision. And rightly so.
So we all have to pay for what we consume.
Please tell that to the rich folk who got that way by finding some way not to pay for something (a lot of something). Which would be most of them.
But wait -- that's what *they're* telling *you*, isn't it?
Hello, drinkpoo, I work for a major Open Source project and I already deal with my fair share of bugs reported by our users. The Slashcode devs can now kindly get up off their lazy arses and deal with theirs.
Meantime, please kindly go fuck yourself.
My apologies to Scandinavians who confuse orthography with phonology, but you're wrong. Easy enough to make this sort of mistake, since the written representations of your languages are almost completely phonetic, whereas written English is anything but -- please refer to photi for a rather extreme example. :)
I'm a native English speaker with a fair command of German and Spanish, and I can get by in Swedish (have been living in Stockholm for 2+ years now). Having been born in the Southeast US, grown up in the US Midwest, worked for a British publisher, and lived for many years in Australia, I also have rather more than a passing familiarity with several major different English dialects. Linguistics and phonology are lifelong interests of mine, backed by some university-level studies as well.
One thing that a lot of non-natives (such as you, apparently) fail to realise is this:
(a) English has only 5 letters representing vowels*.
(b) This has absolutely nothing to do with the number of English vowel sounds, of which there are about 20. Wikipedia lists only 13, which might be true of US "NBC Handbook" English, but this is definitely well short of the mark when you account for British, Canadian, US Southern, Australian, etc.
Just because we lack a Ø (Danish, Norwegian) or Ö (Swedish, German) character does not mean that we don't have or can't pronounce the sound. The "ou" in could or should comes quite close. If I show a Swede the letter sequence KÖD and ask him to say it aloud, my English ear will inform me that he's just said the word "should". (Not "could"; the high vowel makes the "k" soft.)
Native English speakers also have absolutely no trouble with Æ / Ä ("a" in bad, as pronounced by 90% of Americans) or Å (the "ore" in more as pronounced by many Brits and most Aussies), once they are shown what sounds these signs are intended to represent.
...
And it is annoying as fuck to have a Scandinavian keyboard and yet be forced by this site (alone amongst all those that I visit) to use the HTML entity references for Ä, Å, Æ, Ö, etc. Can we get with the 1990s and adopt Unicode sometime before the end of the decade, please?
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*I do not include Y, and you shouldn't, either, when talking about English vowels, because most English speakers do not consider it a vowel -- it's used 90% of the time to represent the semivowel that other Germanic languages spell with J. Depending on where you go to school, you might be taught that it's "sometimes" a vowel, or that it's simply a consonant that gets pronounced like a short "I" when it sometimes accidentally gets stuck in between other consonants, for lack of having any "real" sound of its own. It is almost never pronounced as Scandinavian Y or German Ü because that vowel sound is seldom if ever used by the majority of English-speakers, regardless of country/region.
Stallman has never programmed in either Mono or .NET. He has no idea what the relationship between C#, CLR, .NET, and Mono is...
That's preposterous -- it's like saying someone is in no position to judge whether or not the Nazis were evil... unless he speaks German.
Stallman's position is that anything built on Mono is built on a foundation of trust in Microsoft, which means a foundation made of sand.
You don't need to write any Mono code to judge whether or not his contention is true. All you need to know is that, time after time after time, Microsoft have demonstrated that they are not to be trusted.
It doesn't appear in this one, either.
From the company that complained bitterly when sued by Apple Records.
Wow, that's the very first thing I thought when I saw this story.
Here's the skinny for those not up on their Mediaeval History.
Rather like the need of the Nazi party to erase the village that Adolph Hitler was born in. After all, how can you rewrite history convincingly, if physical evidence to the contrary exists?
WTF are you talking about? Braunau am Inn hasn't gone anywhere.
Sorry about that, I meant "WAMP or WIMP stack".
Windows 200 had major problems with hardware drivers. Printing was a real pain, and running both AutoCAD and office on the same machine was almost impossible...
My anecdotal evidence suggests the opposite of yours. I had 4 or 5 Windows 2000 Pro and Server boxes for several years, and found them to be generally reliable and efficient, even on older hardware. When I was writing, I'd typically be running MS Word/Access, Photoshop, a LAMP or WAMP stack, DreamWeaver, UltraEdit, and a few other goodies, on something like like an 800MHz P3 and 512 MB memory without any performance problems. Never had any issues with MS-certified drivers that I can recall.
I have no interest in making MS look better; two of the things that prompted my switch to Linux in 2004 were WinXP and Server 2003, each of which was a giant step backwards IMO. I could already see the direction in which Redmond was headed and knew that I didn't want to go there today. But Win2K generally rocked, and I even miss it a bit sometimes, especially when I have to deal with someone's XP or Vista machine.
In the good old days, the shark reference would have been in a GNAA troll. And it would have been a First Post.
Wasn't Lrrr of Omicron Persei 8 supposed to eat you in front of a live TV audience or something?
...unless you are the scum of the world...
You do realize that we are talking about governments here, yes?
The people who tell you that stealing is wrong... because they don't like competition. Those would be them, yes.
32 bit Linux
http://willhostforfood.com/users/C/cymon/asciiportal-linux32.tar.gz
http://solidfiles.com/d/YlA4
http://www.mediafire.com/?zj0ywjmgylm