Netscape is even more incompetent, of course. Their "parser" can't even survive omitting optional tags.
...And Microsoft makes one that lets you omit non-optional ending tags so that the clueless think that 1) Netscape has "bugs" where it in fact is supporting the standard (example: required closing FRAMESET tags) and 2) that it's generally okay to write crappy HTML.
And ECMA-262 is now the standard for JavaScript, freely available no less.
Absolutely correct. ECMA will even send it to you on CD gratis. I got my copy from them over a year ago.
Am I the only one who's noticed that SlashDot is completely dominated by corporate news these days?
Perhaps it's because the Net (along with the rest of society) is becoming dominated by corporate interests?
Am I the only one to whom this seems obvious?
Even/. has been bought out... (Not a slam or a flame, just an observation.)
Zontar The Mindless,
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I always liked their piece about the Church deciding to replace the New Testament with a bunch of lyrics from Yes albums...;-)
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Dear AC Lamers & Flamers:
Not censorship, but rather filtering by reader consensus.
Here's how it works: Other/. readers get to moderate your posts. If the post is sufficiently lame, it gets moderated down to a "-1" (takes at least 2 moderators downgrading a post to make this happen -- unless you post as an AC, in which case your post gets a "0" instead of a "1" by default, and only one thumbs-down is required), which makes it invisible unless you set your user prefs to make them visible to you.
Ah, but you're an AC, so you don't have any user prefs to set... And you get no shot at being a moderator, either... What a dirty, rotten shame.
Regarding those particular posts: If I were a moderator (I'm not right now, but I have been before on several occasions), I'd definitely have moderated them down instead of offering this explanation. Incindiary crap like "Red Hat is the Nazi Party of Linux" or what have you doesn't contribute anything positive to the discussion, and would get moderated to a "-5", if I had moderator status and it were possible. Unfortunately, -1 is as low as you can go.
Anyhow, Post #56 is right here. It hasn't been wiped out at all -- it's merely been deemed unworthy by those among your peers who aren't afraid to put their names behind their posts.
'm also hoping (and I believe its happening) that the e-mail system works with multiple accounts more like Eudora does than Communicator 4.0, where it remembers which account the e-mail came in from, and replying to it sets the correct "From" address.
Maybe I was being a little thin-skinned, or I was being full of myself (I've just been offered -- out of the blue -- the opportunity by a major publisher to co-author a programming book, so my ego factor has been a little, um, bloated, lately, I guess), or I hadn't yet had enough caffeine, or some such thing, but there is a lot of FUD of this type ("damning with faint praise") being slung about, and if I misread you (and it seems I have), please accept my apologies. No offense intended.
I see my original response was downgraded to a "0/Troll". AFAIK that's the first time that's ever happened to any posts I've made @/. (+/- 18 mos). In fact, I've had several of my previous posts on the subject of Mozilla upped to "3", "4", and perhaps even one "5" -- so maybe I was a little out of line this time. I'll try to be a good boy, and just offer helpful info when I see an opportunity to do so and otherwise keep my opinions to myself from now on, okay?
Yes, I'm against anonymous posting. I volunteer-host another Web discussion board where we don't allow it at all, and I think our discussions there are much better for it. Yes, I overreacted to your AC status. I may not agree with using it -- but it's your choice. Use it wisely (unlike the vast majority, you seem to be doing so).
Peace.
Zontar The Mindless,
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Man, I love it when people "damn with faint praise" because they know they have little if anything from which to generate food for FUD...
I expect it to take me where I left off, not dump me at the top of the page to spend a minute finding my place again.
Good Lord. Fussy, fussy. Who says that's the way a browser is supposed to work? Is it in a W3C spec that I missed? (Besides, you contradict yourself about 2 sentences later on this very same point with regard to MSIE.)
I must say I am impressed by Mozilla's renderer, much improved over Netscape.
As well you should be, seeing that it's not an "improvement" -- it's a whole new renderer/interface/whole ball o' wax. It's only the freshest code of its kind on the planet. There's no legacy Nav4 stuff anywhere in it. It's NEW. ALL NEW. Got it?
The fact that Mozilla renders HTML "correctly" according to the W3C is a saving grace.
It's not a "saving grace" -- it's the fscking point of the entire exercise. (Where's Commando Cluestick when you really need him, anyhow?)
...serious web designers (many of whom I work with) only laugh at Netscape and barely (and grudgingly) bother to throw in a little extra code on their CSS-enhanced pages to make it readable in Netscape...
I get so tired of seeing/hearing this, because it's not really true. I'm a serious Web designer, I use CSS all the time, and believe you me, IE 4/5 has plenty of its own quirks with regard to CSS rendering. It's certainly no better than Navigator/Communicator in this respect.
(navigator!=msie)!=(navigator=bad), okay?
...worth its bloat
Hmmm... MSIE 5: 70-110 megs, depending on your installation options. M8: 4.5 megs. Now, would you mind giving us that definition of "bloat" once again? Thanks.
...the myriad of consumer eye-candy schlock that is handled better by external programs (like mail, news, and bookmark management).
1. Some of us like having an integrated mail/news reader. 2. Why shouldn't a user agent manage (its own!) bookmarks? Personally, I wouldn't want one that didn't. 3. Fact: For its 4th-generation product, Netscape has maintained parallel releases of Communicator (Navigator+Messenger+whatever) and Navigator (and absolutely nothing else, except maybe that stupid AIM thingie -- which can be excised by any six-year-old with half a clue). If you don't like Messenger, download the standalone and quit whining. At any rate, I'd say that Netscape will likely continue this pattern in the 5th-gen releases. Besides, this "bloat" you speak of includes (at present) the browser and email/news client, and it's still smaller than the standalone Navigator 4 or the standalone MS... oh, wait a minute, there ain't no such critter. Sorry!
I wish people who are looking for something to complain about would find something to complain about before... well, you get the idea.
This is Zontar The Mindless, reminding you that REAL men (and women!) don't post as AC.
Whenever such wide-ranging unenforcable legislation passes, history has shown it be result in SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT.
NO KIDDING.
Not unlike the US drug laws, n'est-ce pas?
People (or in this case ISPs) that have lots of money/power/connections/etc. will get slapped on the wrist, if not "overlooked"; those without these things will rot in jail (or in this case, get run out of business).
Reminds me of those US RightWingNut politicos who go around ranting stuff like, "Let's round up all the people who get high and throw them in prison or have them executed." Like they're actually going to do these to 40,000,000+ people? Yeah, right...
This has nothing to do with "morals" and everything to do with having an excuse to discriminate legally against an (otherwise) law-abiding minority for the express purpose of intimidating everybody else.
Bear in mind that these are only the groups that I happen to subscribe to, which are mostly concerned with fairly specialized authoring issues not directly related to the source code itself -- the groups for those actually working on The Lizard tend to get a lot more traffic. You might also remember that somewhere out there in that vast, murky Neverneverland beyond your monitor, it's summer. A lot of people are out of school, on vacation, etc. At any rate, no, I don't think Mozilla ng traffic is "down to insignificant".
remember, ALL software improves with time, no matter what you think about windows products =)
You obviously haven't, ahem, "upgraded" to MSIE 5.0, which is not only a resource puerco grande, but also interferes with some of Microsoft's own software (rips ODBC connectivity, for one thing). Shoot, half the time it can't tell when you've got a blinkin' Net connection...
Anyhow, Petreley is right on the mark: "Tried-and-true" ne "antiquated";
Racism is generally not profitable in the long run -- even most PHB types figure this out sooner or later. The only color that AOL is worried about is green.
What's the matter with wanting to limit population growth? I suppose that you'd rather see us completely ruin the planet, instead of stopping, say, 3/4 of the way?
The property in question is owned by the library. That gives the library full rights to say what the equipment can and can't be used for.
Who owns the public library?
(Hint: Who pays the taxes that support the public library?)
Also note the goverment is not saying it is "against the law" to use the equipment in such a manner, only that the library will receive no federal funding if it is used in such a manner.
That's disengenuous. As Mr Spock would say, "A difference that makes no difference is no difference." It makes no difference, therefore, it still amounts to censorship.
Yeah, and she also posed for some nekkid pitchers a few years back, herself. (Dear God, I hope she looked better then.)
Fscking hypocrite -- someone pointed me to her website (tech question) a few days ago and it made me want to throw up.
Oh, did I also mention that she wants to crucify the ALA because it -- gasp -- supports the notion of free expression and its logical corollary (i.e. unfettered access)? Double fscking hypocrite.
"Hey, everybody, I'm a shrink, therefore, I know what's best for everybody to the extent that I can make all their choices for them, not just offer advice to help them out when they've got problems." Triple fscking hypocrite.
I've observed that people like that very often have some really, um, "unusual proclivities" [;-)] that they're suppressing; and they project their guilt over it onto everybody else. I wonder if hers requires batteries...? Leather...? Lukewarm lime Jell-O(tm)...? A live penguin...?
On second thought, don't tell me -- I most probably do not really want to know...
View the pages there in IE4, IE5, NS4, and a recent version of Moz. All of these browsers except one suck royally at trying to render the CSS tests found there. Guess which one? (Hint, it's not NS, and it's not either version of IE.)
Then come back and tell us who's spreading FUD-dillyishusness.
Actually, most if not all of the front end is created by the rendering engine itself using XUL (subset of XML). Look for a file called navigator.xul -- that's what supplies the specifics for your front end.
One the one hand, this creates an extra layer between the browser core and what you see on the screen, if you will -- on the other, it means you can create new skins for Moz with a text editor.:-) XUL and RDF: The Implementation of the Application Object Model is a good starting point if you want to learn more about it.
"Draconian" implies effectiveness, and this (like any) effort to censor the Net is doomed from the get-go. I'd call it just plain stupid and wrong.
Even Dr Clayton Forrester would have thought it's stupid and wrong...
At any rate, it's almost comforting (in a rather perverse fashion, granted) to have a demonstration that our good ol' US of A Gummint doesn't have a monopoly on Net cluelessness.
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Zontar The Mindless,
Zontar The Mindless,
Am I the only one to whom this seems obvious?
Even /. has been bought out... (Not a slam or a flame, just an observation.)
Zontar The Mindless,
Zontar The Mindless,
Not censorship, but rather filtering by reader consensus.
Here's how it works: Other /. readers get to moderate your posts. If the post is sufficiently lame, it gets moderated down to a "-1" (takes at least 2 moderators downgrading a post to make this happen -- unless you post as an AC, in which case your post gets a "0" instead of a "1" by default, and only one thumbs-down is required), which makes it invisible unless you set your user prefs to make them visible to you.
Ah, but you're an AC, so you don't have any user prefs to set... And you get no shot at being a moderator, either... What a dirty, rotten shame.
Regarding those particular posts: If I were a moderator (I'm not right now, but I have been before on several occasions), I'd definitely have moderated them down instead of offering this explanation. Incindiary crap like "Red Hat is the Nazi Party of Linux" or what have you doesn't contribute anything positive to the discussion, and would get moderated to a "-5", if I had moderator status and it were possible.
Unfortunately, -1 is as low as you can go.
Anyhow, Post #56 is right here. It hasn't been wiped out at all -- it's merely been deemed unworthy by those among your peers who aren't afraid to put their names behind their posts.
Think about that.
Zontar The Mindless,
Zontar The Mindless,
I do know the difference between "=" and "==", thanks. That "=" is being used as an assignment operator, and not a test for equality.
If you prefer, how about "navigator!=msie"!="navigator=bad"; (substitute neq if you desire)?
Zontar The Mindless,
I see my original response was downgraded to a "0/Troll". AFAIK that's the first time that's ever happened to any posts I've made @ /. (+/- 18 mos). In fact, I've had several of my previous posts on the subject of Mozilla upped to "3", "4", and perhaps even one "5" -- so maybe I was a little out of line this time. I'll try to be a good boy, and just offer helpful info when I see an opportunity to do so and otherwise keep my opinions to myself from now on, okay?
Yes, I'm against anonymous posting. I volunteer-host another Web discussion board where we don't allow it at all, and I think our discussions there are much better for it. Yes, I overreacted to your AC status. I may not agree with using it -- but it's your choice. Use it wisely (unlike the vast majority, you seem to be doing so).
Peace.
Zontar The Mindless,
Zontar The Mindless,
(navigator!=msie)!=(navigator=bad), okay?
Hmmm... MSIE 5: 70-110 megs, depending on your installation options. M8: 4.5 megs. Now, would you mind giving us that definition of "bloat" once again? Thanks. 1. Some of us like having an integrated mail/news reader. 2. Why shouldn't a user agent manage (its own!) bookmarks? Personally, I wouldn't want one that didn't. 3. Fact: For its 4th-generation product, Netscape has maintained parallel releases of Communicator (Navigator+Messenger+whatever) and Navigator (and absolutely nothing else, except maybe that stupid AIM thingie -- which can be excised by any six-year-old with half a clue). If you don't like Messenger, download the standalone and quit whining. At any rate, I'd say that Netscape will likely continue this pattern in the 5th-gen releases. Besides, this "bloat" you speak of includes (at present) the browser and email/news client, and it's still smaller than the standalone Navigator 4 or the standalone MS... oh, wait a minute, there ain't no such critter. Sorry!I wish people who are looking for something to complain about would find something to complain about before... well, you get the idea.
This is Zontar The Mindless, reminding you that REAL men (and women!) don't post as AC.
Later.
Zontar The Mindless,
Not unlike the US drug laws, n'est-ce pas?
People (or in this case ISPs) that have lots of money/power/connections/etc. will get slapped on the wrist, if not "overlooked"; those without these things will rot in jail (or in this case, get run out of business).
Reminds me of those US RightWingNut politicos who go around ranting stuff like, "Let's round up all the people who get high and throw them in prison or have them executed." Like they're actually going to do these to 40,000,000+ people? Yeah, right...
This has nothing to do with "morals" and everything to do with having an excuse to discriminate legally against an (otherwise) law-abiding minority for the express purpose of intimidating everybody else.
I say that hangin's too good for the bastards!
--Z.
--Z.
Here are some ten-day daily averages for number of posts to select Mozilla newsgroups (20 June - 30 June):
skins: 7.0
dom: 7.8
webtools: 9.3
jseng:10.5
css: 16.1
html: 23.9
layout: 32.8
wishlist: 105.3
Bear in mind that these are only the groups that I happen to subscribe to, which are mostly concerned with fairly specialized authoring issues not directly related to the source code itself -- the groups for those actually working on The Lizard tend to get a lot more traffic. You might also remember that somewhere out there in that vast, murky Neverneverland beyond your monitor, it's summer. A lot of people are out of school, on vacation, etc. At any rate, no, I don't think Mozilla ng traffic is "down to insignificant".
--Z.
Anyhow, Petreley is right on the mark: "Tried-and-true" ne "antiquated";
--Z.
(Hint: Who pays the taxes that support the public library?)
That's disengenuous. As Mr Spock would say, "A difference that makes no difference is no difference." It makes no difference, therefore, it still amounts to censorship.Fscking hypocrite -- someone pointed me to her website (tech question) a few days ago and it made me want to throw up.
Oh, did I also mention that she wants to crucify the ALA because it -- gasp -- supports the notion of free expression and its logical corollary (i.e. unfettered access)? Double fscking hypocrite.
"Hey, everybody, I'm a shrink, therefore, I know what's best for everybody to the extent that I can make all their choices for them, not just offer advice to help them out when they've got problems." Triple fscking hypocrite.
I've observed that people like that very often have some really, um, "unusual proclivities" [;-)] that they're suppressing; and they project their guilt over it onto everybody else. I wonder if hers requires batteries...? Leather...? Lukewarm lime Jell-O(tm)...? A live penguin...?
On second thought, don't tell me -- I most probably do not really want to know...
--Z.
Like the philosopher said, "It steam engines when it comes steam engine time."
--Z.
Moderators: Forget who this guy is for just a moment and give his post a "5" anyhow. ;-)
Goto http://style.verso.com/.
View the pages there in IE4, IE5, NS4, and a recent version of Moz. All of these browsers except one suck royally at trying to render the CSS tests found there. Guess which one? (Hint, it's not NS, and it's not either version of IE.)
Then come back and tell us who's spreading FUD-dillyishusness.
--Z.
- view
/. conversations in "flat" mode without getting a screenful of garbage; and - LOG IN!!
Both of these seems like considerable improvements to me.And, yes, the CSS support kicks ass. :-)
And yes, O Naysayers, CSS does matter. It's a friggin' standard already -- so learn to live with it.
--Z.
One the one hand, this creates an extra layer between the browser core and what you see on the screen, if you will -- on the other, it means you can create new skins for Moz with a text editor. :-) XUL and RDF: The Implementation of the Application Object Model is a good starting point if you want to learn more about it.
Even Dr Clayton Forrester would have thought it's stupid and wrong...
At any rate, it's almost comforting (in a rather perverse fashion, granted) to have a demonstration that our good ol' US of A Gummint doesn't have a monopoly on Net cluelessness.
--Z.