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Chuck Milam writes "Red Hat has announced Red Hat Europe. Interesting--I wonder if they're going to give SuSE a run for the money? " Looks like they are opening a German and UK office, and
have announced that Colin Tenwick (of Sybase) will be in charge.
I'd love a job with RedHat (UK), http://www.tahallah.demon.co.uk for details.
Cheers,
Alex (alex.buell@tahallah.demon.co.uk)
Or what about the massive trade war / collapse into civil war or political extremism / isolationism?
John Styles
john@gurk.demon.co.uk
(not an anonymous coward but the system won't mail me my password)
I would like to support Linux comunity but Im :)
not ready to support another Linux "BillGates".
Here in germany you can get RedHat for DM170 (approx. $100) und you get "almost" same or "maybe" even better distro from Suse for about $50.
Just to remind you that we dont have flat rates from our phone companies, so we cant afford us to download anything in size of descent distro.
Why should there be need for an out-of-the-box broken distribution, when there are better ones available? See here if you say, RH doesn't come broken.
Sounds interesting. Could you post the URL as I couldn't find it on the BBC's site.
First of all, Red Hat is nowhere near a monopoly; certainly not close enough to merit concern. SuSE outsold it in 1999, I believe (RH still has a bit more marketshare due to $2 unofficial CDs from cheapbytes and downloads). Second, Red Hat has a really strong commitment to GPL and free software. The instant that goes away, half of their development staff and most of their userbase will leave. The only other distribution I know of with Red Hat's ethics is Debian.
I'd be more worried about a proprietary distribution taking over (SuSE, TurboLinux, Caldera, etc.). SuSE is actually coming pretty close, and they not only keep their stuff closed, but also use nasty Microsoftish business tactics (undermining the Red Hat IPO, for instance).
Red Hat releases all their stuff under GPL, and won't let proprietary code into their distribs. SuSE purposely proprietizes their distrib. Red Hat cooperates with other distribs. SuSE uses nasty business tactics to undermine them. SuSE is also closer to a monopoly (higher revenues and sales).
If you're worried about another Microsoft, look at what you're running.
My problem with KDE is merely that I want to keep my Linux FREE.
Many of SuSE's core tools (YAST, etc.) are proprietary. SuSE also packages a shitload of other proprietary crap with their distrib. Red Hat has a firm commitment to only including free software. If you're worried about about keeping your Linux free, you shouldn't run SuSE in the first place.
If Atomic Visions is This company then it should be noted that RedHAt bought a company that specializaes in ASP based sites. How odd.
SuSE will not be a push over for such a joke
as RedHat. Why?
Redhats way is by far the most sloppy distro I have ever worked with. It's FS lay out is sloppy,
it gimmic "user friendly" gui configuation(ers)
are warmed over garbage. Xconfigurator/configlinux
and Disk Druid come to mind. These gimmic guis
actually do you MUCH worse than XF86Setup/RTFM/and fdisk respectively.
Now in SuSE you have SaX/Yast/fdisk Which are far
superior in usefulness than Redhats. It's FS sytem
is much neater than RHATS, and when you say well
KDE is standard on SuSE, well what comes with RHAT
standard? fvwm95? Sick
Seems RedHat has just hurried out thier NUMBERS
to meet SuSE every time. It's always SuSE takeing
the lead. Propritary SuSE? Yast as been released
whats your RMS point now? SuSE has everything
RedHat and Debian and Slack and then some, they
put a lot of effort into SuSE. I just don't see
that with RedHat.
Jeff (aka RaHoWa)
Now If I wasn't left to type in this little box!
things would be neat............................
Rhat would do good, if when in a deal with
a company when they want to develop for linux
one of thier application, is to not let them
put FOR RED HAT on it. I mean what is that??
What version of RedHat? before all the bug fixes
or that new kernel you just installed? WHAT
Simple Do Not Let them Put For REDHAT on it
and you RedHat people might shine better than
you do.
Steve
Probably the most famous example was their attempt to hurt Red Hat financially during their IPO. In response to Red Hat going public, they made a press release showing that they had higher profits, revenues and sales than Red Hat. Apparently this was done purely for the sake of lowering Red Hat's initial stock price, and thereby hurting their competitor financially. I think slashdot may have run something on this.
There are rumours of a number other questionable tactics, but I don't want to propagate potential misinformation.
Just because one or two experts declare something free doesn't make it so. Qt is still not free software. Read http://pmitros.mit.edu/patchwork.html for details on how/why Qt is not free.
Guildford? You poor bugger!
It's not about GPL or not. It's about abuse of market power.
SuSE does help the community by supporting many areas (x, kernel, sound, USB, KDE), without trying to manipulate them for their own profits.
RedHat spreads FUD about other free software projects, uses the same marketing techniques (premature releases, marketing hype) as M$, and they're forcing fre sw projects like Gnome in directions they don't want to go originally ("like Windows").
More than that, they have a very nasty and aggressive behavior (often involving lawyers) in the market. They call free prjcts like Gnome "their own" etc. etc.
Enough reasons to boycot RedHat.
Not to mention that SuSE simply offers better quality and a far better value for money...
Listen Syn'sthe,
RedHat has these gimmic tools right there for each newbie to use, and thoes tools suck. So right off the bat, RedHat users are confronted with some pretty bad software. RTFM? Alot of RedHat users buy that 2 doller CD with no manual, so guess what? They are stuck useing the crapola gimmic gui interfaces to set it up. Least SuSEs gimmicy gui interfaces for setting the basics up are decent enough to be almost/are better than doing them by hand with the normal commands and functions to do so.
Yes default Xs wm, has a lot to do with how you look at a distros plans to comfort the user. Enough said.
Redhat user: How do I add a user?
Linux nut: adduser
Redhat user: I dont have adduser
Linux nut: set the $PATH first to get to the command.
(after 20 questions on how to export)
Redhat user: ok i set the $PATH but adduser is not a command.
Linux nut: I think RedHat has useradd, dont ask me why.
This is an on going cycle of gerneral uselessness a RedHat lowbie user must go through again and again. With RedHats goofie setup. There are 100s more things just like this in Redhat.
Now of course you gona tell me to use configlinux gui command to addusers? Bwhaha what happened to fdisk?
YaST is clearly the best "propritary" set up TOOL in any distro yet. Please don't whine Rhat users.
SaX comes in second. Ahem, don't whine more.
Debian's Dselect, APT, Apt-get is propritary, and actually is awesome once you learn it(it aint that hard either to do so).
There is a small note of Red Hat Germany including ''the expertise and assets recently purchased from delix''. Delix was one of the first Linux distributors and solution providers in germany, although their distribution DLD never really got the kick. For some time now they have been the major Red Hat reseller in germany.1 4621
As far as I can see, this will be the beginning of a concentration process in the european Linux business.
For people able to read german texts see http://www.it-n achrichten.de/news/246858182/html/t/show.html?id=
To hell with you /.ers and Redhat idiots
You keep CESORING EVERYTHING. LAMERs
/. Keeps CENSORING posts..for RHATS own BShit
Slahdot Keeps cesoring POSTS
They afraid
REDHAT SUCKS get over it
Where is POST 56 /. ers are COWARDS
FSCKING COMUNIST CENSORESHIP FRUIT HEADS
LAME Aszes
DIRTY ROTTEN PIGGS
/. sucks and so does RedHat
RHaT WILL NOT GET ITS IPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happened to post 63 /. dorks keep censoring stuff so we can't
You
have a fair debate here.
I get the impression that everyone here at /. thinks Red Hat is EVIL or the next M$.
They provide OPEN source software to the mass public and have a strong commerical presents... and THIS is a BAD THING?
Red Hat does 3 things, all which are good.
1). Provides a fertile recurting ground for newbies in a safe and easy to use distrubation to experince *nix.
2). Provides a strong commerical and respectable presents to the rest of the (business) world, that demands - linux needs to be taken seriously.
3). Provdies funding to further progress the OSS movement.
I've watched the two for a while. Give an example of one of these evil Red Hat tactics. They just don't happen. And Red Hat contributes much more to free software than SuSE (X, Gnome, RPM, everything Alan Cox does), despite lower revenues. I mean, everything they do is GPL. Most of what SuSE does is proprietary.
YaST, and many of the other SuSE-specific installation/config components are under a non-free license. One cannot legally make copies of a SuSE CD. SuSE also includes a large number of proprietary components (JDK, etc.), writes proprietary X drivers, etc. SuSE is by far the most proprietary distrib.
After seeing too many Red Hat, Microsoft comparisons, I thought I'd clarify. Red Hat does not, and cannot, use Microsoft-like tactics. If they did, half of their developers would quit. Most of the key guys are Red Hat are folks like Alan Cox. Ethically, they won't work for the bad guy. Much of Red Hat's userbase would leave as well. Red Hat releases all of their code under the GPL. They won't include non-free software in their distrib. Even if they got a monopoly, they could not leverage it, since if people no longer liked them, they could use free-of-charge copies, or make fork distributions. They have a history of doing good stuff for the Linux community, and cooperating and even helping other members of the Linux community (including other Linux distributions) whenever possible. They're just a really good company. Other than Debian, no other distribution even begins to compare to Red Hat's solid ethical stance.
They're also not that near to a monopoly. SuSE had more sales, revenues and profits in 1999. Together, the other distributions have more marketshare than Red Hat.
Personally, I'm scared as heck of a proprietary distrib like SuSE gaining a monopoly, or even of the playing field being dominated by proprietary products (which may add more and more proprietary stuff to gain an advantage). Until other distribs change their stances, I will continue to run Debian, and support Debian and Red Hat.
I'd say that was seriously broken, as was RedHat 5.1.....
Posted by Synsthe:
If it's boring you, than don't read it. Nobody is forcing you here.
Oh btw, we'd miss you if you left, but we don't know who you are, Mr. AC. =)
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Mark Waterous (mark@projectlinux.org)
Posted by polar_bear:
Funny, I thought that being incorrect was THE mortal sin in Journalism. Hmmm...must have been that shoddy University I attended to get my J-Degree that convinced me of that.
Posted by Synsthe:
> Now in SuSE you have SaX/Yast/fdisk Which are
> far superior in usefulness than Redhats.
Guess what, RedHat has fdisk too. Guess what, RedHat doesn't use proprietary _toys_ like yast - guess what; this argument lacks any basis.
> KDE is standard on SuSE, well what comes with
> RHAT standard? fvwm95? Sick
What are you getting at here? Is this argument honestly meant to be taken seriously? Or do you not know how to change the default WM used by X?
> Xconfigurator/configlinux and Disk Druid come to
> mind. These gimmic guis actually do you MUCH
> worse than XF86Setup/RTFM/and fdisk
> respectively.
Odd seeing this argument. One, I've already stated is that RedHat comes with fdisk. RTFM yourself on that one. =)
Number two, are you honestly trying to count Xconfigurator against RedHat, yet you're using Yast as an example of why SuSe is better? I thought the basis of the two tools was the same -- to make a portion of operating your system easier.
Hm, so we can see that you have obviously have no valid complaint against RedHat. Have a nice day. =)
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Mark Waterous (mark@projectlinux.org)
Posted by Synsthe:
Actually I've already been contacted by a few employee's of RedHat regarding this issue - I'm quite willing to admit this was some disinformation that I fell for on the part of a devious reporter. I read an article without investigating further, and a few kind employee's have stated their position on the matters.
No, I wouldn't say they were perverting it, or attempting to extend and embrace it if they gave it blatant 100% support; read my post over again, I was defending them against somebody who accused them of being the MS of linux -- not accusing them myself.
Nobody in here can honestly say they've never fallen for something that looked trustworthy. I've been the victim of this, and I've been corrected. Live and learn.
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Mark Waterous (mark@projectlinux.org)
Posted by Synsthe:
I'm not sure if there's much point in responding to such a post from an AC. You seem to be quite tense, maybe you should relax a little before you shoot your mouth off?
> RedHat has these gimmic tools right there for
> each newbie to use, and thoes tools suck.
You're accusing RedHat of "sucking" because they're attempting to provide utilities to aid in administration? You've got to be joking.
RedHat provides the tools - they do _not_ require you to use them, they are merely there as aids and can be discarded at your convenience.
>Yes default Xs wm, has a lot to do with how you
>look at a distros plans to comfort the user.
>Enough said
RedHat 6.0 no longer uses fvwm as the default WM, for your information, so this argument is void right off the bat. However, I can't pass this opportunity up.
Are you suggesting Linus is a lamer? Guess what. He uses fvwm (straight from the lion's mouth).
>Linux nut: I think RedHat has useradd, dont ask
>me why
It has ``useradd'' and ``adduser'' for your information. Get your facts straight.
"It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
Thank you, for removing all doubt in this scenario Mr. AC =)
>Now of course you gona tell me to use configlinux
>gui command to addusers? Bwhaha what happened to
>fdisk?
What does adding users have to do with fdisk? Atleast be coherent in your attacks.
>Please don't whine Rhat users.
For the record, I use Debian.
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Mark Waterous (mark@projectlinux.org)
"Red Hat's UK office and European headquarters is based in Guildford (greater London). "
:-)
No. Guildford is a town a long way outside London. No definition of greater London would ever come anywhere near Guildford.
Guildford is an easy 1 hour commute by mainline train from central London, but if RedHat wanted a London office, they should have payed for one
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If you want something more diverting, check out the sci/tech pages over on the BBC's website. There's a fascinating article on the Fuel Efficiency contest, where a French car won, after doing almost 9,900 miles per gallon.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Back off nerd boy, I want a job at Redhat (UK) as
well, we'll have to have a good old fashioned fight over it. *grin*
No seriously, I wonder if I could get a job as a
help techie for Redhat UK, that would be neat.
Bit of a shame I use Debian really, I'd have to learn more about rpm.
I am so jealous of you, you can't even begin to imagine it. Hey, think you'll have any PFY positions going? I'll be good, I promise not to bother you with questions, I'll make nice coffee and if all else fails you can use me to beat people with when they ask stupid questions.
:)
Come on, you know you want to.
The Linux market here in England seems to be largely untapped. The only place you can readily buy it is bookstores, and then it's always RedHat. SuSe don't even seem to be trying outside their tradition teutonic strongholds. RedHat could capture the rest of Europe without a great deal of effort, leaving SuSe nowhere to go. Until SuSe stop trying to proprietize Linux, they'll get no sympathy from me.
fish and pipes
Redhat can do whatever they want, I just installed suse for the first time (6.1) after running slackware first, then Debian, and then redhat. Suse is by far the most professional to install and nicest to use after its installed.
I only had thier evaluation ios (Its 1 smaller version than the one you buy, its 1 CD compared to 5 CDs), and it just runs perfect.
So even if redhat is trying to get into Europe, I think they need a better product before they will succeed, because currently its not good enough.
//Kaavi
//Kaavi
Okay, so you think SuSE's GUI tools are better than the ones RH ships. That is your opinion. That's fine. But I would like to address some factual problems with your post.
/sbin and /usr/sbin in your path. That's because when you 'su' you only get the environment of the user you 'su' from, and normal users don't have /sbin and /usr/sbin in their path (and they shouldn't). If you 'su -' or login directly as root you do get both of them in your path and /sbin and /usr/sbin programs will work fine.
As for default X environments, RH 6.0 ships with GNOME as the default, *not* fvwm95. We also ship with a utility called 'switchdesk' that lets you switch with one click between KDE, GNOME, and AnotherLevel (an fvwm-2 configuration). How many other distributions do that?
Adding users? We have both adduser and useradd. Both work just fine. I'm not sure what your beef is with paths, either. Sure, if you 'su' you don't get
As people have already pointed out, all of the GUI config tools we ship can be worked around if you care for that sort of thing. 'fdisk' is still shipped, and is still an option in the install.
And at least RH users have the option of buying $2 CDs, unlike some distributions.
--Donnie
Competition just muddies the market. Red Hat just needs to do this due to the IPO. I wish a better distro Like SuSE had better backing and Red Hat
had stuck to the 4.2 version, which was the best version they had, or maybe 3.something. But ever since 5.0, they have gone done hill.
Personally I keep hoping that Redhat and Suse will merge. I know that a lot of people would see this as a really terriable thing, but I think too much duplicated effort goes into producing distributions that for all practicle purposes are identical. I know that competition enhances quality, but it also drains resources. I think the best thing that could happen to Linux competition wise would be for FreeBSD to get about 5X its current number of users. That way we could compare ourselves to something that is both very good and reasonably different. Jim
All the news of expansion is certainly going to fuel more anger and fear of Red Hat taking over the world. People have already pointed out the number one argument against this: Red Hat is pouring tons of money into code development, and releasing it ALL under the GPL. You may also be interested in some things Bob Young said in a recent interview with Linux Journal (I hope this qualifies as "fair use...")
"We don't do any exclusive contracts. For example, the guys at Metroworks - on their box, they say it was built for Red Hat Linux. That wasn't our idea - that was their idea for marketing purposes."
"...our goal at Red Hat has always been to expand the number of Linux users, not to dominate the Linux space."
"We have no interest (in squashing our competition). Slackware and Caldera and Debian are very much our allies in this effort to make Open Source the definition, to make Open Source a required feature of any operating system the user might consider."
"We understand our competition isn't with Caldera or SuSE - out competition is with Microsoft." (He was speaking about the new higher price on RH6.0, basically saying that it pays not for the software, but for a certain level of support that their users expect from them.)
"... we are not trying to compete in the Linux space, we are trying to compete with the very big proprietary OS vendors..."
Now, of course, the nature of this competition could change if Open Source becomes the standard - the competition would probably move to the other Linux vendors. But for now, according to Mr. Young (whom you can believe or disbelieve as you see fit), Red Hat's plan is to do the "right thing" for Linux.
According to the Debian Free Software Guidelines QT is free software. You are making up your own definition for the word free and I don't share it.
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Secondly the document you referenced (http://pmitros.mit.edu/patchwork.html) is obsolete. The QPL was changed months ago (before QT 2.0 was released) and the stipulation that the patch program must be used to distribute modifications has been removed.
For an objective critque of the license see my post here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=99/06/25/1246
We also ship with a utility called 'switchdesk' that lets you switch with one click between KDE, GNOME, and AnotherLevel (an fvwm-2 configuration). How many other distributions do that?
/usr/bin isn't the best way to ensure a orderly and clean system. In fact RedHat's KDE setup is so annoying that quite a number of people have suspected this was intentional to make KDE look bad...
SuSE had this as early as 5.3 (!). Back then, Gnome 0.30 would install without problems, while RedHat didn't even offer it as a regular install option at the same time. You had to fiddle around to get it running.
I'm not sure what your beef is with paths, either.
Well, I don't know if this is what he meant, but RedHat's interpretation of the FHS is IMHO a bit peculiar. Throwing everfything into
As for graphical config tools, I'd say in a feature-to feature comparison Yast and Sax score better than the RedHat tools, so it's not just a matter of opinion.
But the main problem of RedHat's distribution is the lack of maturity and careful packaging. This is one of SuSE's strengths. OTOH, RedHat usually offers bleeding edge technology, while SuSE is more conservative (libc, egcs, etc.).
But one thing most of you have overlooked is the fact that RedHat bought DELIX, which makes an excellent, highly underestimated German distribution. It is relatively up-to-date, stable and offers decent ISDN support. If RedHat is clever enough to use Delix' know-how to improve their own distro, they will really be able to become a competitor to SuSE.
Yes, Red Hat = Communist Conspiracy. We are everywhere. You cannot run you cannot hide. We will punish you with the four day work week and free hospitals. From each according to his command line, to each according to his GUI.
What is wrong with KDE this time ? QT has been oficially declared free enough so could you kindly explain what's keeping you now from using it ?
As far as I'm concerned, the more Linux companies there are in Europe the better. At least when the Chinese use their stolen nuclear technology to wipe America off the map (except the bit that's inside Transmeta's metaphasic shield), Red Hat and SUSe will still be around.
"The german office will be in Stuttgart. As a matter of fact, they are going to take over the entire Delix Linux branch. Delix's DLD distribution should continue to be maintained for at least a further 2 versions, with DLD 6.2 being planned for late summer. In the long-term the more desktop-oriented DLD distribution should be integrated into Red Hat; their domain has so far been most Linux server systems."
Herbert von Kammerstein
Herbert von Kammerstein
Nosferatu Hacker extraordinaire! Well, I wish, anyways...
If Red Hat switched their distribution (or one incarnation of it) so that all the final integration and packaging was done in Europe, added in some non-US derived crypto packages - ie ssh, gpg & mod_ssl, and were obviously careful about where orders were being fufilled from, they could produce a distro with decent crypto [at least until the EU finally rolls over and does everything the US asks].
This would definitely be a good thing.
Boy, either Redhat is making a lot of money... or got paid already for their IPO stock. With all this expansion the money has to be coming from somewhere.
Good to see they are expanding. This will hopefully only help linux.
Redhat don't refuse to support the LSB, they just haven't accepted to commit themselves body and soul to something that isn't even finished. Gee, I suppose if they said that they were supporting the LSB at 100% and working on it you would say that they are trying to pervert it (embrace and extend anyone?). i don't say the Redhat is totally white but don't say they REFUSE to support the LSB when the LSB is still in work.
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
IIR, Intel has 40+ corportations just this reason. It's standard to create a new corp when opening a site up overseas. Each country has their own laws that could open you up to a lawsuit. By starting a new corp, you limit your liability to just the assests of that company. Also the taxes will be limited to that companies earning.
This is probably RedHat's primary motivation here, as they already sold in most countries already.
-- Virtual Windows Project
I forgot to mention that, as he was dragged off, Anonymous Coward was overheard shouting, "First Post!"
Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
Red Hat announced the acquisition of the popular slashdot site from Andover.net.
A spokesperson could not say whether the new site would be called "RedDot", "SlashHat", or even "RedSlashHatDot".
One regular slashdot reader named Anonymous Coward reportedly said, "Oh. So that's why I was seeing two or more Red Hat stories in the same afternoon."
The reader was immediately subdued, gagged, and called a troll.
Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
Sorry, but you really do need to do some research of your own, rather than listening to tenth hand accounts that you've overhear during a game of chinese whispers.
If you want to post stuff without checking fact, preface it with IMHO, or some such thing.
Use whatever distro you like.
>There are rumours of a number other questionable >tactics, but I don't want to propagate potential >misinformation.
I'd hate to spread FUD, but I overheard someone saying that they'd heard a rumour from someone closely connected with a company nearby that says.......
I doubt though that you really intended your post to be humorous
>And at least RH users have the option of
>buying $2 CDs, unlike some distributions.
I don't think comments like this from someone at one distributor aimed at another are very helpful, nor professional.
Please, leave it to the kiddies to play the childish name calling games.
If you like RH, use it. If you like SuSE use it. If you like Debian use, but for god's dake let's stop this stupid name calling
RedHat is expanding into European countries that is more liberal about exporting strong crypto.
If they wan't they can make CD-images in these countries and include strong crypto. Possibly also exporting them to the US.
Besides getting closer to many of their costumers the crypto issue could be important in the future.
Most companies likes to expand their options.
//Pingo
--- Linux or FreeBSD, it's like blondes or brunettes. I like both. ---
When locking into their homepage there was no info concerning the glibc2.x issue. That's a bad sign.
Last time I saw some info they were still compiling against libc5.
//Pingo
--- Linux or FreeBSD, it's like blondes or brunettes. I like both. ---
I'll be joining Red Hat in Guildford, UK in August as sysadmin. I can't wait to get started, as working there is sure to be a blast. It's just a shame it's in England, as I live in Amsterdam right now.
No doubt this press release will fan the flames and lead to even more knee jerk cries that Red Hat is the next Microsoft, but that's certainly not the way I see it.
This is seriously good news for the whole Linux population and I think we should all be pleased that a world class company like Red Hat is raising its profile like this.
This kind of localised support is just what many companies need before they can feel secure enough to risk migrating their services to Linux. As such, Red Hat's new offices will lead to much wider acceptance and deployment of Linux.
Ian Macdonald, Linux sysadmin & Ruby hacker
whats up? certain posts get whacked and others don't?
Sensei
Sensei
Linuxnewbie.org home of the NHF's
And here was me thinking that it was Americans, not Europeans, who had this big thing about communism...
I've used both Red Hat (5.1,5.2,6.0) and SuSE (6.1).
Personally I believe that Red Hat works better out of the box than SuSE. SuSE include WAY more software that Red Hat. I am willing to fiddle with my Linux to get what I want. Most people that are jumping on the wagon aren't. I think Red Hat has an advantage for this reason.
There seems. to me at least over here in the US, to be a predeliction in Europe for going for more. This is after all what SuSE seems to be doing, and they are German.
I greedily installed more than 5 GB of software from my 5 CD SuSE distro. I haven't touched alot of it yet, but what I have...wow. The base SuSE includes Beowulf, Blender...why even bother it is a lot of stuff. Go to http://www.suse.de/e/lx61/new_in_6.1.html and see for yourself.
I think that this development will force SuSE to increase their out-of-box stability and force Red Hat to include more of the software they presently bundle separately.
My main problem with SuSE is that it uses KDE by default, and requires tinkering to get gnome running. Before you bleat, the first thing I tried was "startx gnome" which turns out to be the answer in the SuSE help. That didn't work.
My problem with KDE is merely that I want to keep my Linux FREE. I am using it now and it is actually a joy...I am not too motivated to "fix" it.
This is an important market for RedHat, as the US is for SuSE. I hope both of them benefit. I think the Linux community can't avoid a benefit.
BTW...
1,672,934.8th post YEEEAAAH !!!
Oh Darn. I am too early.
Don't post innacurate information
If you do, I swear by my pretty floral bonnet I will end you.
Red Hat is really expanding quickly. First I read that they are opening a new office in San Francisco and now in Europe . . .
:))
I'm a Red Hat user myself, but I wonder sometimes about how much influence they could have over Linux develepment. Fortunately to this point they have been a good community member and have kept their commitment to Free Software by GPLing their code.
I guess I just wonder what effect if any their IPO and this seemingly rapid/massive expansion will have? What do people think?
(First Post? - That would be a first for me
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Geoff
...I thought to myself that this would be a more logical step...
;)
Now only if I could talk Bob into doing redhat Canada...he's a Canadian, he'd understand...
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