With the exception of the ethernet controller, the shuttle uses a realtek RTL8139 - probably the worst controller currently in production and one of the worst PCI ethernet controllers ever designed.
I don't know anything about the Via VT6103 but I really doubt it can be worse than the realtek..
I have no use for firewire and the Via board can be equipped with up to 32MB flash and two PCI devices (with an extra cable), it has a real audio system on board and not this cheopo-fixed-replay-rate-AC97 crap, it's smaller and it's cheaper.
So it really depends on your needs what is the better motherboard.
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Maybe you could dump a few i960 evaluation boards/single board computer with the necessary documentation on some NetBSD developers or invent a clever way how you do virtual memory on CPUs without MMU...
> I've read the faq and it seams it's netcrafts problem.
Well, to some degree. Netcraft doesn't have the code to automatically crack the webserver and execute "uptime" or something equivalent on the remote host. Shame on them!
Instead Netcraft uses a method that analyses the IP packets send back - but that only works for the few OSes with TCP/IP stacks which provide enough information that can be used to calculate the systems uptime - e.g. for those stacks which use a function of the uptime to generate the initial TCP sequence number.
What about Marco polo and family? http://www.silk-road.com/artl/marcopolo.s html
No, i don't want to say that Marco polo "discovered" china but that China/Mongolia and Europe had loose contact with each other for quite some time before Zheng He or Columbus have placed their feet on American soil.
What if I'm on a plane, ship, offshore platform, in space, in the wide open or somewhere else where internet is not available or I don't get a connection to my provider?
What if the company which hosts my calendar application gets hacked, goes out of business/stopps offering the service unexpectedly, does an "unscheduled maintenance" or has some other problems?
So can be MIPS (DECstations, the Playstation 2, the Cobalt-cube as well as ARC-compliant MIPS-workstations and MIPS driven handheld PCs are little endian, SGIs MIPSen Sony's old NEWS workstation line are/were big endian).
Apple may provide a "perfectically good (yes i know not free) distro to the PPC" (I guess you mean Mac OS X) - but only for (not that old) Apple computers It won't run on anything else. And it probably will never.
And honestly, Mac OS X is neither targeted nor suited for the kind of application this Motorola MVME PowerPC single board computer is designed for...
> Why don't we see more standardisation for things like digital camera batteries, laptop batteries and > so forth?
BTW: When you break up such batteries you'll see that they are usually a bunch of standard cells soldered together with some kind of temperature triggered fuse...
I just read the IRC log and I must say that his first answers were short but not rude at all (later after you have used up all of his patience he indeed gets slight rude...). But IMHO you were quite annoying since you just ignored his answers or haven't understood them.
I think the whole problem is that you want something like a small, secure operating system based on linux that has dhcpd and a webserver and IRC and....
But Smoothwall is no such thing (you can abuse it as such of course, but don't expect support for that) - it's "a firewall". In short: A firewall is something that is inbetween you and the internet. This can be a software package (i.e. an add-on to the OS) that installs on your workstation or a device that sits on your uplink. And to be precise Smoothwall is the software/OS of such a device.
You really shouldn't run any additional software on the machine that runs Smoothwall, you should run them on machines that are either placed before the firewall or after it, so including GCC in smoothwall doesn't make any sense at all unless you change the purpose of the software from "a firewall" to... whatever, you know what I mean.
Your failure was that you haven't understand the goals of Smoothwall and dustmite's failure was that he hasn't noticed that. When you said that you want to replace Suse and RedHat and only have "one machine to work with" and want to install/run this and that he simply should have said "Sorry, Smoothwall is obviously not the right solution for your problem. Use something else, we can't help you".
Oh, BTW: Do you really except help from someone after you have criticized him for his attitude? This is not a clever tactic.
I doubt' we'll see a good show. From looking at the diagramm it will be (visually) near the sun which means it can't be seen at nights and only (like mercury) in the mornings/evenings shortly before the sun rises/sets and only close above the horizon.
I wanted to know how this "liberator pistol" (mentioned in the article) looks like, googled for it and found this link of an
CIA article with some pictures of older and/or pre-CIA stuff.
OS X is based on Darwin and Darwin takes bits and pieces from all three *BSD, Mach, GNU (compiler) and a lot of other projects. E.g. most of the userland stuff is taken from NetBSD, you can read it up in the Darwin FAQ. Or look at the
Darwin-contributors page which lists them all in alphabetical order.
So saying "It's based on FreeBSD" is as wrong/as correct as saying "It's based on NetBSD".
But since FreeBSD's J. Hubbard now works for Apple and FreeBSD doesn't run on the range of machines Mac OS X supports yet (but NetBSD does) expect OS X's roots to FreeBSD to be promoted more than its roots to NetBSD... (sigh).
> i can verify that there is no connection between OS X and NetBSD
Oh, yeah. From the Darwin FAQ (OS X's core)
http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin/ fa q.html
"Q. How does Apple intend to work with other BSD groups?
A. [...] We already synchronize our code periodically with NetBSD for most of our user commands..."
My version of the story is that they didn't use pure graphite and thus the results of experiments using graphite were not very promising so they gave up on it.
> Actually before they called it PostgreSQL they called it Postgres95.:-)
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Wow, we see some uninformed moderator here in action, who seems not to believe that the name really was Postgres95 for a brief time and too lazy to check it out.
CVS is built upon RCS, they use the same fileformat to store revisions. Actually you can see CVS as "RCS + network support". Using RCS instead of CVS doesn't buy you anything. Since you mentioned the GNU RCS homepage, this is from the GNU CVS homepage:
"While CVS stores individual file history in the same format as RCS, it offers the following significant advantages over RCS:
[...]"
(Read the rest on http://www.gnu.org/software/cvs/ )
So saying RCS is for "Real Jobs" at "Real Companies" and CVS is just for "amateurisch Cheap Software projects" just makes you look pretty dumb IMHO.
a) the purple Indigo2s are the "Impact ready" Indigos, only some of them have an R10k. (Mine has only a R4400)
b) the R4x00 CPUs are 64bit CPUs as well, so the oldest 64bit workstation from SGI is the Indigo R4k. (Which is now nearly 10 years old (but still supported by Irix 6.5.* AFAIK)).
c) I don't have the date handy when the R10k was introduced into SGIs product line but since the first O2s had R5ks (later ones R10k) and they were released late 96, Indigo2s with R10k can't be older than 5-6 years.
Three points:
a) GNU uses CVS
b) 'core' is more like the management of the project and is not involved in handling source code
c) the bsd developement model is 'bazaar', linux has the 'cathedral' (which is Linux himself).
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With the exception of the ethernet controller, the shuttle uses a realtek RTL8139 - probably the worst controller currently in production and one of the worst PCI ethernet controllers ever designed.
I don't know anything about the Via VT6103 but I really doubt it can be worse than the realtek..
I have no use for firewire and the Via board can be equipped with up to 32MB flash and two PCI devices (with an extra cable), it has a real audio system on board and not this cheopo-fixed-replay-rate-AC97 crap, it's smaller and it's cheaper.
So it really depends on your needs what is the better motherboard.
Maybe you could dump a few i960 evaluation boards/single board computer with the necessary documentation on some NetBSD developers or invent a clever way how you do virtual memory on CPUs without MMU...
> I've read the faq and it seams it's netcrafts problem.
Well, to some degree. Netcraft doesn't have the code to automatically crack the webserver and execute "uptime" or something equivalent on the remote host. Shame on them!
Instead Netcraft uses a method that analyses the IP packets send back - but that only works for the few OSes with TCP/IP stacks which provide enough information that can be used to calculate the systems uptime - e.g. for those stacks which use a function of the uptime to generate the initial TCP sequence number.
You have forgotten Didrik Pining in your list.
What about Marco polo and family?s html
http://www.silk-road.com/artl/marcopolo.
No, i don't want to say that Marco polo "discovered" china but that China/Mongolia and Europe had loose contact with each other for quite some time before Zheng He or Columbus have placed their feet on American soil.
What if I'm on a plane, ship, offshore platform, in space, in the wide open or somewhere else where internet is not available or I don't get a connection to my provider?
What if the company which hosts my calendar application gets hacked, goes out of business/stopps offering the service unexpectedly, does an "unscheduled maintenance" or has some other problems?
Aha.
> This is a very small sampling of students, and from only one school.
> Too small to get reliable statistics from.
Agreed.
> PLEASE explain to me how 53-25=40
Wrong calulation. 40/53 ~ 0.75. I.e. in a sample of n (say 100) people there are now 25% less warez-dudes than a few years ago (40 instead of 53).
So can be MIPS (DECstations, the Playstation 2, the Cobalt-cube as well as ARC-compliant MIPS-workstations and MIPS driven handheld PCs are little endian, SGIs MIPSen Sony's old NEWS workstation line are/were big endian).
Ermm, but "not free" and Darwin doesn't match IMHO so he must have ment Mac OS X.
Well, you are a troll...
Or you simple don't understand the article.
Apple may provide a "perfectically good (yes i know not free) distro to the PPC" (I guess you mean Mac OS X) - but only for (not that old) Apple computers It won't run on anything else. And it probably will never.
And honestly, Mac OS X is neither targeted nor suited for the kind of application this Motorola MVME PowerPC single board computer is designed for...
> Why don't we see more standardisation for things like digital camera batteries, laptop batteries and
> so forth?
BTW: When you break up such batteries you'll see that they are usually a bunch of standard cells soldered together with some kind of temperature triggered fuse...
I just read the IRC log and I must say that his first answers were short but not rude at all (later after you have used up all of his patience he indeed gets slight rude...). But IMHO you were quite annoying since you just ignored his answers or haven't understood them.
....
... whatever, you know what I mean.
I think the whole problem is that you want something like a small, secure operating system based on linux that has dhcpd and a webserver and IRC and
But Smoothwall is no such thing (you can abuse it as such of course, but don't expect support for that) - it's "a firewall". In short: A firewall is something that is inbetween you and the internet. This can be a software package (i.e. an add-on to the OS) that installs on your workstation or a device that sits on your uplink. And to be precise Smoothwall is the software/OS of such a device.
You really shouldn't run any additional software on the machine that runs Smoothwall, you should run them on machines that are either placed before the firewall or after it, so including GCC in smoothwall doesn't make any sense at all unless you change the purpose of the software from "a firewall" to
Your failure was that you haven't understand the goals of Smoothwall and dustmite's failure was that he hasn't noticed that. When you said that you want to replace Suse and RedHat and only have "one machine to work with" and want to install/run this and that he simply should have said "Sorry, Smoothwall is obviously not the right solution for your problem. Use something else, we can't help you".
Oh, BTW: Do you really except help from someone after you have criticized him for his attitude? This is not a clever tactic.
> ...it will be (visually) near the sun
when it's closest to the earth
I doubt' we'll see a good show. From looking at the diagramm it will be (visually) near the sun which means it can't be seen at nights and only (like mercury) in the mornings/evenings shortly before the sun rises/sets and only close above the horizon.
Actually, you are the moron here and made a fool of yourself yet again.
F*ck, I mangled the link, should have previewed, sorry...
I wanted to know how this "liberator pistol" (mentioned in the article) looks like, googled for it and found this link of an
CIA article with some pictures of older and/or pre-CIA stuff.
OS X is based on Darwin and Darwin takes bits and pieces from all three *BSD, Mach, GNU (compiler) and a lot of other projects. E.g. most of the userland stuff is taken from NetBSD, you can read it up in the Darwin FAQ. Or look at the Darwin-contributors page which lists them all in alphabetical order.
So saying "It's based on FreeBSD" is as wrong/as correct as saying "It's based on NetBSD".
But since FreeBSD's J. Hubbard now works for Apple and FreeBSD doesn't run on the range of machines Mac OS X supports yet (but NetBSD does) expect OS X's roots to FreeBSD to be promoted more than its roots to NetBSD... (sigh).
> i can verify that there is no connection between OS X and NetBSD
/ fa q.html
..."
Oh, yeah. From the Darwin FAQ (OS X's core)
http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/darwin
"Q. How does Apple intend to work with other BSD groups?
A. [...] We already synchronize our code periodically with NetBSD for most of our user commands
No connection, sure...
My version of the story is that they didn't use pure graphite and thus the results of experiments using graphite were not very promising so they gave up on it.
Actually it already was "free like free beer" before and Jeremy thinks about "tightening" the licence, i.e. makeing it less free. RTFA please.
> Actually before they called it PostgreSQL they called it Postgres95. :-)
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Wow, we see some uninformed moderator here in action, who seems not to believe that the name really was Postgres95 for a brief time and too lazy to check it out.
Abstract from http://www.ca.postgresql.org/docs/devhistory.html
1977-1985 Ingres
1986-1994 Postgres
1994-1995 Postgres95
1996-today PostgreSQL
Are you a troll or just uninformed?
CVS is built upon RCS, they use the same fileformat to store revisions. Actually you can see CVS as "RCS + network support". Using RCS instead of CVS doesn't buy you anything. Since you mentioned the GNU RCS homepage, this is from the GNU CVS homepage:
"While CVS stores individual file history in the same format as RCS, it offers the following significant advantages over RCS:
[...]"
(Read the rest on http://www.gnu.org/software/cvs/ )
So saying RCS is for "Real Jobs" at "Real Companies" and CVS is just for "amateurisch Cheap Software projects" just makes you look pretty dumb IMHO.
I'm in nitpicking mode today - some corrections:
a) the purple Indigo2s are the "Impact ready" Indigos, only some of them have an R10k. (Mine has only a R4400)
b) the R4x00 CPUs are 64bit CPUs as well, so the oldest 64bit workstation from SGI is the Indigo R4k. (Which is now nearly 10 years old (but still supported by Irix 6.5.* AFAIK)).
c) I don't have the date handy when the R10k was introduced into SGIs product line but since the first O2s had R5ks (later ones R10k) and they were released late 96, Indigo2s with R10k can't be older than 5-6 years.
Three points:
a) GNU uses CVS
b) 'core' is more like the management of the project and is not involved in handling source code
c) the bsd developement model is 'bazaar', linux has the 'cathedral' (which is Linux himself).