Well not me because I do not care one bit about point releases for operating system kernels, but you people reading this comment:)
Honestly though, anyone here not care?
I personally enjoy UNIX/Linux/Solaris/BSD but to be honest they are all pretty much the same to me as a developer.
The same utilities exist on all, and generally you just build your code and run your app and that's that.
Windows I might care about a point release or Service Pack because it might have a new DirectX library to play Everquest or CStrike with, but for these workhorse operating systems I often wonder who cares:)
Many intelligent developers like Bram Cohen, the creator of Bittorrent, didn't have much while they were developing.
IIRC he spent a year or two living frugaly with relatives or friends because he knew he had a great idea and wanted it done as soon as possible.
Sure, he could have used some money, but he wasn't about to get a job and then have the company own his $8.7 million dollar idea (and that's just the current market value not including future potential revenue streams).
I'm smart, most of us here are smart, but I'll admit that sometimes I run into the occasional road block where I can't do something in Linux that I can do in Windows.
I did spend at least an hour getting Quake III to work in Linux properly. It still doesn't quite work as well as in Windows.
I also took some time to get my mouse wheel working in Linux. Granted, I use text-only installs of Slackware or Gentoo where I build my own optimized kernels, but still, I had some difficulty.
Linux isn't easy and it's not a pretty shiny desktop OS. Let's just admit that. I mean heck, would we want it any other way? I enjoy the challenge and I enjoy the OPEN ness of it.
You know, I work with people like you, and you guys really piss people off.
Coding is about the best tool for the job.
In many cases that's C or Perl or C++ (shudder) or Python.
But sometimes it's Java, or C#, or something you would called "new age" or "gay" (yes, I've had co-workers who are 'professionals' call Java such names).
I call them powerful and simply use them when I need to. I also use other tools like C and can hack assembly code onto hardware controllers.
Your attitude is one of not recognizing that we're just like mechanics, we find a tool and a part and get to work until it's "fixed" aka the design and all requirements are met.
Don't knock others because they don't want to hand-code 100 GUI elements.
I can create software faster in Java than any other language. Java can do almost anything you need it to, and since the late 1990s it has been nearly as fast as C or C++:
I find Microsoft tools like VS.net and even some of their languages (C#) to be surprisingly good.
Granted, I prefer Open Source most of the time, but when forced to use certain Microsoft things like Natural Keyboards or Visual Studio, I kind of like them.
I'm sure I'll get modded down for supporting them, but hey I'm just being honest.
The point here is that software programming is more complex than flipping burgers. The pay should not be remotely close. Google is a billion dollar company. It is an insult that they even throw a paltry couple thousand at these guys who are doing real, complex engineering of software.
Yeah, but the downside is that it's McDonalds "food".
Close your DailyKos feed and stop going to your hippie documentary film class. Yes, a man ate a ton of food at McDonald's for a month and gained weight. Surprise surprise. I could do the same with any "heart-healthy" food you find at a food story. Guess what? Many have since LOST a ton of food by eating nothing but McDonald's food.
And yes, it is real food, at least as much as any of the 96% of items at a grocery store that are all pre-packaged, high in sodium, high in fat, and deficient in overall quality.
The average Google Summer of Code participant got scant more than minimum wage for their participation.
People complain about the Walmarts of the world but I guess here on Slashdot, Google can do no wrong, so $9/hr with no benefits for high-end tech work is fine and dandy.
Every company in the world would love to beat every other company into submission and then have them talk how nice they are that they let these beaten down companies market their little devices that work on the product.
It would be like GM saying their vehicles are the best so Ford and DiemlerChrysler should stop making vehicles but can still make tires and oh I don't know maybe radios that work in GM cars.
WAY TO LOOK LIKE THE GOOD GUY MICROSOFT BUT REALLY BE THE BAD GUY.
Like I said, we geeks at Slashdot have been fighting Microsoft's desire to dominate the industry with monopolistic tendencies for the past 2-3 decades.
How many of us have coded Open Source applications that try to read in Microsoft files. It's not easy. Look at how long it took us to get OpenOffice.org able to read and write back *.doc files decently.
As if you need another example, look at XML. Microsoft wants their own XML. Get real.
They'd own all of us if they could. Their goal is to show profit and that's it, they don't give 2 sh*ts about you my friend. They want to get you into their products and make you buy more and more from them.
The XBOX 360 better let me use a standard Firewire/USB to browse files I have on other devices. Just what do you expect from a $500 piece of plastic and $70 game system?
How can we trust Microsoft to leave open standards and not pigeon-hole us into their entertainment platform after they've spent the past 20 years doing the exact opposite to the Windows platform?
I just want to say "thanks" to Apple for having the guts to continue innovating and doing what was previously unthinkable -- reaching deals with music and entertainment industry to change the way consumers use entertainment media FOREVER.
The Nano may have a defect or two, but it is still an extremely good product that I'm proud to own.
So, again, in the midst of all this negativity, just an honest heartfelt thanks for the job Jobs has done these past few years.
I haven't worn a cheap watch since I started programming professionally, but I do seem to remember a $10-15 dollar Casio that had some "liquid crystal" face on it that was, though probably a market-speak term, nearly impossible to scratch.
Is there a reason NASDAQ:APPL didn't use this for their great Nano product?
By the way I bought 14 Nanos the day they came out for family and friends -- and DON'T regret it, they're truly innovative!
When you truly INNOVATE the consumer electronics market, sometimes the price to pay is a bit of negative talk about an outsourced small piece of your product, in this case the wonderful iNano's screen.
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Well not me because I do not care one bit about point releases for operating system kernels, but you people reading this comment :)
:)
Honestly though, anyone here not care?
I personally enjoy UNIX/Linux/Solaris/BSD but to be honest they are all pretty much the same to me as a developer.
The same utilities exist on all, and generally you just build your code and run your app and that's that.
Windows I might care about a point release or Service Pack because it might have a new DirectX library to play Everquest or CStrike with, but for these workhorse operating systems I often wonder who cares
To "sit on a wire" anywhere you should need a probable cause and a warrant.
Anyone without this is simply hacking, which is illegal.
Many intelligent developers like Bram Cohen, the creator of Bittorrent, didn't have much while they were developing.
IIRC he spent a year or two living frugaly with relatives or friends because he knew he had a great idea and wanted it done as soon as possible.
Sure, he could have used some money, but he wasn't about to get a job and then have the company own his $8.7 million dollar idea (and that's just the current market value not including future potential revenue streams).
Nothing like that even exists. A bored PR person sent out a fake Onion-style news release and the rest is, as they say, history.
;-)
You were just one of the biters
You don't embark on a large project of ANY kind without at least securing a customer or two during the development process.
Unless of course you're doing something with free software like Bittorrent where you don't need to money and everything else is cost neglible.
I'm smart, most of us here are smart, but I'll admit that sometimes I run into the occasional road block where I can't do something in Linux that I can do in Windows.
I did spend at least an hour getting Quake III to work in Linux properly. It still doesn't quite work as well as in Windows.
I also took some time to get my mouse wheel working in Linux. Granted, I use text-only installs of Slackware or Gentoo where I build my own optimized kernels, but still, I had some difficulty.
Linux isn't easy and it's not a pretty shiny desktop OS. Let's just admit that. I mean heck, would we want it any other way? I enjoy the challenge and I enjoy the OPEN ness of it.
You know, I work with people like you, and you guys really piss people off.
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Coding is about the best tool for the job.
In many cases that's C or Perl or C++ (shudder) or Python.
But sometimes it's Java, or C#, or something you would called "new age" or "gay" (yes, I've had co-workers who are 'professionals' call Java such names).
I call them powerful and simply use them when I need to. I also use other tools like C and can hack assembly code onto hardware controllers.
Your attitude is one of not recognizing that we're just like mechanics, we find a tool and a part and get to work until it's "fixed" aka the design and all requirements are met.
Don't knock others because they don't want to hand-code 100 GUI elements.
I can create software faster in Java than any other language. Java can do almost anything you need it to, and since the late 1990s it has been nearly as fast as C or C++:
http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Computer/javaCbenchma
I don't like MSFT any more than the next guy, but they do a couple things right:
...)
1) Hardware (keyboards, mice,
2) Developer tools
I find Microsoft tools like VS.net and even some of their languages (C#) to be surprisingly good.
Granted, I prefer Open Source most of the time, but when forced to use certain Microsoft things like Natural Keyboards or Visual Studio, I kind of like them.
I'm sure I'll get modded down for supporting them, but hey I'm just being honest.
Wow, McDonalds is hiring coders?
The point here is that software programming is more complex than flipping burgers. The pay should not be remotely close. Google is a billion dollar company. It is an insult that they even throw a paltry couple thousand at these guys who are doing real, complex engineering of software.
Yeah, but the downside is that it's McDonalds "food".
Close your DailyKos feed and stop going to your hippie documentary film class. Yes, a man ate a ton of food at McDonald's for a month and gained weight. Surprise surprise. I could do the same with any "heart-healthy" food you find at a food story. Guess what? Many have since LOST a ton of food by eating nothing but McDonald's food.
And yes, it is real food, at least as much as any of the 96% of items at a grocery store that are all pre-packaged, high in sodium, high in fat, and deficient in overall quality.
That's how averages work.
Some put in more time.
Some put in less time.
Mathematics does not lie, however.
The average Google Summer of Code participant got scant more than minimum wage for their participation.
People complain about the Walmarts of the world but I guess here on Slashdot, Google can do no wrong, so $9/hr with no benefits for high-end tech work is fine and dandy.
Hmmm it's been snowing all day better post a dupe article about Google's Coding Summer being over just in case we forgot!
$4500 for a summer of work ->
Summer = 12 weeks
1 work week = 40 hours
Total = 480 hours per summer
BEFORE taxes, this is $9.30 / hour.
I can make more at McDonald's especially considering meals are discounted 75%.
Jesus, this site is getting worse and worse.
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This was posted on 9/11...
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/
Why can't editors add a sentence or two to stories or add a Coral Cache link?
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I mean, it's a small-ish site with screenshots and you're giving it
Think it'll really last?
If Microsoft truly opens up XBOX 360 like Allard says, I'll buy 10,000 Slashdot users Premium Subscriptions.
Sincerely,
Work Account
Moderators, stop using drugs.
The parent post is crap.
Every company in the world would love to beat every other company into submission and then have them talk how nice they are that they let these beaten down companies market their little devices that work on the product.
It would be like GM saying their vehicles are the best so Ford and DiemlerChrysler should stop making vehicles but can still make tires and oh I don't know maybe radios that work in GM cars.
WAY TO LOOK LIKE THE GOOD GUY MICROSOFT BUT REALLY BE THE BAD GUY.
Like I said, we geeks at Slashdot have been fighting Microsoft's desire to dominate the industry with monopolistic tendencies for the past 2-3 decades.
How many of us have coded Open Source applications that try to read in Microsoft files. It's not easy. Look at how long it took us to get OpenOffice.org able to read and write back *.doc files decently.
As if you need another example, look at XML. Microsoft wants their own XML. Get real.
They'd own all of us if they could. Their goal is to show profit and that's it, they don't give 2 sh*ts about you my friend. They want to get you into their products and make you buy more and more from them.
The XBOX 360 better let me use a standard Firewire/USB to browse files I have on other devices. Just what do you expect from a $500 piece of plastic and $70 game system?
Read my previous thoughts on this matter here: http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=16623 3&cid=13866885
He may be telling the truth but I have a hard time believing him.
Actually, I may believe him but it's hard to imagine 1 Microsoft guy doing something that every one of their MBAs and Gates himself do not want.
Microsoft has been fighting open standards/interfaces for 2-3 decades.
I think I speak for all of us when I see WE'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN WE SEE IT!
How can we trust Microsoft to leave open standards and not pigeon-hole us into their entertainment platform after they've spent the past 20 years doing the exact opposite to the Windows platform?
I just read an article here: http://www.dcmilitary.com/airforce/beam/10_42/nati onal_news/37782-1.html
We can now have see-thru and amazingly durable products using aluminum.
Apple should do that for those of us geeks buying their products.
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of see-thru aluminum iPods that lets you watch them operate!
I bought 14 Nanos and they all work great.
Yeah, if I put one in my backpack along with sharp metallic objects and go hiking 3 days, it'll probably get a scratch or two.
How dare you claim the Nanos don't "work properly".
They're amazing razor thin devices that have changed the way humans listen to personal music FOREVER.
I just want to say "thanks" to Apple for having the guts to continue innovating and doing what was previously unthinkable -- reaching deals with music and entertainment industry to change the way consumers use entertainment media FOREVER.
The Nano may have a defect or two, but it is still an extremely good product that I'm proud to own.
So, again, in the midst of all this negativity, just an honest heartfelt thanks for the job Jobs has done these past few years.
Thanks Apple!
I haven't worn a cheap watch since I started programming professionally, but I do seem to remember a $10-15 dollar Casio that had some "liquid crystal" face on it that was, though probably a market-speak term, nearly impossible to scratch.
Is there a reason NASDAQ:APPL didn't use this for their great Nano product?
By the way I bought 14 Nanos the day they came out for family and friends -- and DON'T regret it, they're truly innovative!
Apple are an AMAZING company.
This is NOT their fault.
When you truly INNOVATE the consumer electronics market, sometimes the price to pay is a bit of negative talk about an outsourced small piece of your product, in this case the wonderful iNano's screen.
First it's OMG M$FT IS GONNA DIE BLUE RAY IS PREFERED 51% TO 49% when in reality Microsoft does not have set plans to use HD-DVD in the XBox 360.
Now it's WTFBBQ UK ECONOMY ALMOST DIED!!ELEVEN.
I have to wonder if maybe it's just a slow Friday newsday or perhaps the creepy Halloween decorations are making every freak out!