I've always thought Wiki needs a "Commit" switch, when somebody edits or updates, it is kept on the page as "unverified" where you can read it, if you feel that it is worthy info then you click commit, logging your approval (Xperts and Admins have more clout when they click commit obviously) until either it reaches a preset Commitance level or an admin/xpert approves it.
I dont seem to see why everything nowadays needs to be label as EITHER...OR. Yes hacking in the beginning may have been a harmless term, and now it may carry stigma, but the timer period between is so large (considering the economic growth and tech increases) that it really doesn't make any differance what it started out as. This is how lanaguge is formed, a word is used and then updated to reflect the times. IF CBC or whatever TV you guys have in America (BBC all the way) decided to label computer intruders as 'Trappers' im sure that word would have a very differant meaning to us now, and most probably you'd be writing an article and i'd be disagreeing. Ground Zero
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People commenting here seem to think that Dell owes them. Why on Earth (as some people have suggested) would Dell jeopodize their profits in order to satisfy an open source addicted minority? People have to remember, Dell are in it for one thing: making money. I'm not saying that they're little money grubbing Bill clones, hell bent on open source destruction. But at the end of the day, if you're going to sell more and make more money when your selling Windows, you're not going to put much time or energy into anything else.
Absolutely not. British Broadcasting Company is the clue, since its really P2P only for the name (thing is it isnt really p2p at all!) all of the world using the service would be like slashdotting a Tagged Warez FTP:p
Whoever posted this was clearly trying to start something, she was a Microsoft lawyer, is becase she is shit hot at her job. The reason she is being made a Senator (stupid system if you ask me) is becase she is shit hot at her job. Not because of all the conspiricy theories that keep appearing in my head. I am trying very hard not to join the ranks and have a good flame, but i wont, because im too strong for that....gnrrr....microsoft....government....Micros oftState2005....MicrosoftCountry2007...MicrosoftCo ntinant 2012....Domination....Inferior...Bug...Patch....fu ck
First, let it be said i live in the UK (btw, fuck the EU, they should use the pound!) so there is no anti-anybody bias here but this is typical of the EU.
You'd think i'd be in support of them, but far from it, apart from making a mockery of laws, they seem to be represented by every bent and dirty politician this side of the atlantic (Mendelson was pratically kicked out of England for being a wanker).
Its not just that either! each and every one seem to beleive in almost (in my warped view) a intellectual socialism, and this is a prime example!
No questions asked, America invented the internet (Its cool, the UK are still better) not even John Kerry would deny that (though he may claim it started in his back yard) pretty much every bit of tech that runs the routing, the serving, anything was developed in America. Now for some weird and wonderful reson, the EU seems to think that because its this great comglomerate of nations that everybody who isn't them must bow at the knee and kiss the sandles.
*Sigh* as per my normal posts i'll sum up:
The Europe was jealous as fuck, because they're lame (cept england) and no matter how hard Bush tries, America will still be more powerful, militarily, and economically that the all the european countries put together. Europe will never admit this We all gang up on America, Welcome to the EU Ask for something completely unfounded, unreasonably and unrealistic, like...mmm...the internet America says: Fuck You Dude! EU makes angry faces catches America's eye Backs the fuck off.
I cant remember how this started but dammit it'll finish with: The EU is a bad idea. It gives lots of crappy little countries who have been piggybacking/freeloading of England for years the idea that they dont need as and the dont they anybody else! Basically Europe is going through puberty people!!
^^ very good point, just another reson why a linux consolitadion effort is just not a vaild path to take! ThaFooz is right on. extending his point a little, the keeping microsoft at the top of the list (so to speak) is no longer (IMHO) just simply better driver support, or better X or better Y, its now a case of no choices, there is no opposition to Windows on x86 for a home user (nobody suggest that ur average home user can run linux with no problems, cos you'll be wrong!) Apple are on the verge of a make or break (do or die:p) deal to start on x86 (even though it already been hacked on) so that may redress the balance slightly but i doubt it, but as Foozmeister says its all about the ability to switch OS without switching apps, and thats a good direction that we're heading in. lets just wait for KDE4 Plasma hey:D
oh bollocks! this OSS cameradere is great and all, but StarOffice? MS Office Killer! Its not happening sunshine! When we stop looking at OSS through rose tinted spectacles, and MS through a crosshair. We'll (OSS community) understand excatly why microsoft is the goliath corp that it is, and from that we can actually begin to improve OSS in an cohesive, controlled and overall a community effort.
It failed in Russia, its failing in China, but E-Communism is the one that proves good old Karl right! Down with the Bourgoise, BEGIN THE DISSOLUTION OF MICROSOFT SERVERS AND GIVE THE SPACE TO SOURCEFORGE! WE'RE FREE MY COMRADES!!!
The Cycle of the Standards
while (OSS != £) {
they start out great -> developers stick to them -> designers stick to them -> the public are happy, things are working -> our big fluffy friend Microsoft comes along and decides that everybody else has got it wrong to date, and its up to them, the unappreciated e-heros of redmond to step in and relese some inferior software -> read through all the GPL code -> claim they're sticking to the standard right up until release -> do no such thing -> within two weeks release security updates for IE6/7 and XP/Vista making the original standard impossible to use -> people buy microsoft products -> microsoft corner the market share for that particular product -> service industry depression, too much money going toward software licensing -> gov depts lose money, again licensing -> voters begin to feel the sting of less publically invested money -> lose faith in gov -> bush goes to war -> OSS community send out the message "there is another way" -> decides to write up a standard so them compatability is assured
}
Microsoft have done it again! It seem every 4 or so weeks i hear about another un-imaginative ripoff from microsoft making out that its all new and all theirs!! And recently they havn't even been re-hashing the names properly!!! i cite as my examples:
Macromedia Flash - Microsoft Sparkle
BitTorrent - Avalanche
Give it a few months we'll be seen Microsoft BackupExec...utive! Microsoft Delphoid! The mIcroPod Nanop!
I'm interested in what these "revolutionary" improvements that SSH have made, actaully are? I mean, SSH = Secure Shell. OpenSSH is A)Secure and B)A Shell. Clearly i need an accountant to tell me all about these new features. Exiting new features like: Maybe, just maybe, SSH will still have a imaginary market share when this is all over.
I feel the best way to express the article is as and IRC chat log (stay with me...)
SSH invites OpenSSH to #WeNeedABigLoan
SSH: We're better than you.
OpenSSH: Not too sure about that...
SSH: We are! Because bigger businesses like us!
OpenSSH: Hmm, the figures say no.
SSH: Well...They're wrong too!
OpenSSH: Ok, so why are you better?
SSH: Well, we're closed source, thats gotta count for somthing right?
OpenSSH: Well, yes, it means you're probably using our code...
SSH: Oh yeah!! Well whats so great about OpenSSH? OpenSSH was kicked by Q (SPAM. No more that 10 lines to the chan consecutivly)
oh ffs dont take the p*ss! "design so that once a laptop is "mated" to a child" u, my friend, need to spend less time in your parents basement and more time outdoors! we're taking about kids in brasil and africa, what are u gonna do? bring em all in a take their fingerprints, make sure that each and every laptop is hardcoded (or whatever u wanna call it) to each child. Oh! wait a sec, the $100 dollar laptop to make, has just become $670 laptop to distribute.
it depresses me somewhat that people dont take this kind of thing more seriously (i refer of course to the HILARIOUS Star Wars gag above, my how i laughed...) its things like this that gives us MASSIVE insight into the beginnings of the universe and ultimatly how that little ghost in the machine they call life first sparked.
slothman makes a very good point that if it were on the visible spectrum you'd most probably be scratching out your eyes by now;)
in the same way, we're gonna run out of oil in 20 years...or is it 8 now...or fifteen...or are we moving to nuclear power! no! aliens are coming with a renewable energy source! i just dont know anymore! damn these glorified study groups...
what a pointless thing to create, i certainly dont think im alone only when i say that i dont want to be the first walking power station. This is just another on of those WTF?
Once right! i had a mouse that moved the cursor on the screen! trust me it was awesome. Obviously that kind of thing is far too outdated to be bothered with now... I guess im just old school.
Anonymous Coward: You speak with wisdom way beyond you name;)
I'm in full agreement here, much respect to the Scottish Coppers who got into a bit of a cashflow problem, so instead of saying "Well, the answer is simple! We spend less money keeping police on the street" thay actually sat down and thought, "How can we cut costs without taking coppers of the streets?" and like millions before them, they realized that when ur paying over £100 per license for a product you perhaps use 8% of (at most!) its not good economics.
So they tried StarOffice, and in the end they decided it would be better to switch back to Microsoft. This, is one of those occasions where (not by any fault of its own, personally I blame the invasive Microsoft proaganda that states "its our way or the highway") OSS has FAILED.
Linux was designed as an ALTERNATIVE OS. Alternative being the operative word. And they seemed to get it right, the prrof being that was have so many distros.
Aside from the Soviet argument (which btw i liked very much) there is of course the practical side of things.
What most people will see in thier minds eye when they hear "Consolidate" Linux into one distro, is a kind of SUSE/Debian/Red Hat/Mandrake hybrid, with a lot less control over your system (ie almost all X based), So we can assume that this would be aimed at home users (I dont believe a person using a linux box as a dedicated server would clamour for a Unified Linux)
The first obsticle to overcome is the MASSIVE problem of bloatware. Without very careful planning, a mix of linux distros, would end up packed to the ears with...well...lets face it: crap.
The second problem is compatabiliy, almost all distros (Certainly the older and popular ones) have slight differances in their dir structure (lib paths etc). This, in the grand scheme of things, itsnt such are big problem, but it all adds up.
So anybody who really wanted to do this correctly would take (what he/she thought was) the most popular distro with the best support, and take its dir struct as his/her own) and simpley code in what he thinks are the best aspects of linux, taking out the problems.
Hold on a tick! I think i just described another distro!
See thats one of the big problems: where does it stop being "just another distro" and become Unified Linux, ill tell ya, it doesnt, unless all of the developers are working quite literally side by side, taking orders from a group of people put in charge to decide what this new system will achieve.
Hold on a tick! I just described Microsoft.
You see people, linux is more a concept than anything else, the kernal is useless alone, as is the software without it.
100% with you. Hell, the periodic table has been around longer than the fool who thought he'd quit his illustration class and pretend to be a scientist. Mendeleev was a genius, and i've never understood why he never got the respect he deserved. He was quite literally DECADES ahead of his time whose first draft of the table was written on a cocktail napkin.
For those who couldnt be bother to read my rant:
Mendeleev = Good
This Other Bloke = Bad
Science = Pitiful excuse for knowledge
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I've always thought Wiki needs a "Commit" switch, when somebody edits or updates, it is kept on the page as "unverified" where you can read it, if you feel that it is worthy info then you click commit, logging your approval (Xperts and Admins have more clout when they click commit obviously) until either it reaches a preset Commitance level or an admin/xpert approves it.
Just a thought.
I dont seem to see why everything nowadays needs to be label as EITHER...OR. Yes hacking in the beginning may have been a harmless term, and now it may carry stigma, but the timer period between is so large (considering the economic growth and tech increases) that it really doesn't make any differance what it started out as. This is how lanaguge is formed, a word is used and then updated to reflect the times. IF CBC or whatever TV you guys have in America (BBC all the way) decided to label computer intruders as 'Trappers' im sure that word would have a very differant meaning to us now, and most probably you'd be writing an article and i'd be disagreeing. Ground Zero
People commenting here seem to think that Dell owes them. Why on Earth (as some people have suggested) would Dell jeopodize their profits in order to satisfy an open source addicted minority? People have to remember, Dell are in it for one thing: making money. I'm not saying that they're little money grubbing Bill clones, hell bent on open source destruction. But at the end of the day, if you're going to sell more and make more money when your selling Windows, you're not going to put much time or energy into anything else.
Absolutely not. British Broadcasting Company is the clue, since its really P2P only for the name (thing is it isnt really p2p at all!) all of the world using the service would be like slashdotting a Tagged Warez FTP :p
Whoever posted this was clearly trying to start something, she was a Microsoft lawyer, is becase she is shit hot at her job. The reason she is being made a Senator (stupid system if you ask me) is becase she is shit hot at her job. Not because of all the conspiricy theories that keep appearing in my head. I am trying very hard not to join the ranks and have a good flame, but i wont, because im too strong for that....gnrrr....microsoft....government....Micros oftState2005....MicrosoftCountry2007...MicrosoftCo ntinant 2012....Domination....Inferior...Bug...Patch....fu ck
The closest linux ever got to cold hard cash :D
heh, yeah i did go a bit mad. my bad europe :D
First, let it be said i live in the UK (btw, fuck the EU, they should use the pound!) so there is no anti-anybody bias here but this is typical of the EU.
You'd think i'd be in support of them, but far from it, apart from making a mockery of laws, they seem to be represented by every bent and dirty politician this side of the atlantic (Mendelson was pratically kicked out of England for being a wanker).
Its not just that either! each and every one seem to beleive in almost (in my warped view) a intellectual socialism, and this is a prime example!
No questions asked, America invented the internet (Its cool, the UK are still better) not even John Kerry would deny that (though he may claim it started in his back yard) pretty much every bit of tech that runs the routing, the serving, anything was developed in America.
Now for some weird and wonderful reson, the EU seems to think that because its this great comglomerate of nations that everybody who isn't them must bow at the knee and kiss the sandles.
*Sigh* as per my normal posts i'll sum up:
The Europe was jealous as fuck, because they're lame (cept england) and no matter how hard Bush tries, America will still be more powerful, militarily, and economically that the all the european countries put together.
Europe will never admit this
We all gang up on America, Welcome to the EU
Ask for something completely unfounded, unreasonably and unrealistic, like...mmm...the internet
America says: Fuck You Dude!
EU makes angry faces
catches America's eye
Backs the fuck off.
I cant remember how this started but dammit it'll finish with:
The EU is a bad idea.
It gives lots of crappy little countries who have been piggybacking/freeloading of England for years the idea that they dont need as and the dont they anybody else!
Basically Europe is going through puberty people!!
^^ very good point, just another reson why a linux consolitadion effort is just not a vaild path to take! ThaFooz is right on. extending his point a little, the keeping microsoft at the top of the list (so to speak) is no longer (IMHO) just simply better driver support, or better X or better Y, its now a case of no choices, there is no opposition to Windows on x86 for a home user (nobody suggest that ur average home user can run linux with no problems, cos you'll be wrong!) Apple are on the verge of a make or break (do or die :p) deal to start on x86 (even though it already been hacked on) so that may redress the balance slightly but i doubt it, but as Foozmeister says its all about the ability to switch OS without switching apps, and thats a good direction that we're heading in. lets just wait for KDE4 Plasma hey :D
oh bollocks! this OSS cameradere is great and all, but StarOffice? MS Office Killer! Its not happening sunshine! When we stop looking at OSS through rose tinted spectacles, and MS through a crosshair. We'll (OSS community) understand excatly why microsoft is the goliath corp that it is, and from that we can actually begin to improve OSS in an cohesive, controlled and overall a community effort.
It failed in Russia, its failing in China, but E-Communism is the one that proves good old Karl right! Down with the Bourgoise, BEGIN THE DISSOLUTION OF MICROSOFT SERVERS AND GIVE THE SPACE TO SOURCEFORGE! WE'RE FREE MY COMRADES!!!
The Cycle of the Standards
while (OSS != £) {
they start out great -> developers stick to them -> designers stick to them -> the public are happy, things are working -> our big fluffy friend Microsoft comes along and decides that everybody else has got it wrong to date, and its up to them, the unappreciated e-heros of redmond to step in and relese some inferior software -> read through all the GPL code -> claim they're sticking to the standard right up until release -> do no such thing -> within two weeks release security updates for IE6/7 and XP/Vista making the original standard impossible to use -> people buy microsoft products -> microsoft corner the market share for that particular product -> service industry depression, too much money going toward software licensing -> gov depts lose money, again licensing -> voters begin to feel the sting of less publically invested money -> lose faith in gov -> bush goes to war -> OSS community send out the message "there is another way" -> decides to write up a standard so them compatability is assured
}
Microsoft have done it again! It seem every 4 or so weeks i hear about another un-imaginative ripoff from microsoft making out that its all new and all theirs!! And recently they havn't even been re-hashing the names properly!!! i cite as my examples:
Macromedia Flash - Microsoft Sparkle
BitTorrent - Avalanche
Give it a few months we'll be seen Microsoft BackupExec...utive! Microsoft Delphoid! The mIcroPod Nanop!
I'm interested in what these "revolutionary" improvements that SSH have made, actaully are?
I mean, SSH = Secure Shell. OpenSSH is A)Secure and B)A Shell.
Clearly i need an accountant to tell me all about these new features. Exiting new features like: Maybe, just maybe, SSH will still have a imaginary market share when this is all over.
I feel the best way to express the article is as and IRC chat log (stay with me...)
SSH invites OpenSSH to #WeNeedABigLoan
SSH: We're better than you.
OpenSSH: Not too sure about that...
SSH: We are! Because bigger businesses like us!
OpenSSH: Hmm, the figures say no.
SSH: Well...They're wrong too!
OpenSSH: Ok, so why are you better?
SSH: Well, we're closed source, thats gotta count for somthing right?
OpenSSH: Well, yes, it means you're probably using our code...
SSH: Oh yeah!! Well whats so great about OpenSSH?
OpenSSH was kicked by Q (SPAM. No more that 10 lines to the chan consecutivly)
oh ffs dont take the p*ss!
"design so that once a laptop is "mated" to a child"
u, my friend, need to spend less time in your parents basement and more time outdoors! we're taking about kids in brasil and africa, what are u gonna do? bring em all in a take their fingerprints, make sure that each and every laptop is hardcoded (or whatever u wanna call it) to each child. Oh! wait a sec, the $100 dollar laptop to make, has just become $670 laptop to distribute.
Batteries do not produce electricity. Read a book. ("Energy cannot be created or destoryed, it can only be changed from one form to another")
gotta luv the old school linux system. still maintained by a single person ;) the open source dictatorship :p
it depresses me somewhat that people dont take this kind of thing more seriously (i refer of course to the HILARIOUS Star Wars gag above, my how i laughed...) its things like this that gives us MASSIVE insight into the beginnings of the universe and ultimatly how that little ghost in the machine they call life first sparked. slothman makes a very good point that if it were on the visible spectrum you'd most probably be scratching out your eyes by now ;)
What grog = rum + water meade = what u just called grog.
in the same way, we're gonna run out of oil in 20 years...or is it 8 now...or fifteen...or are we moving to nuclear power! no! aliens are coming with a renewable energy source! i just dont know anymore! damn these glorified study groups...
what a pointless thing to create, i certainly dont think im alone only when i say that i dont want to be the first walking power station. This is just another on of those WTF?
Once right! i had a mouse that moved the cursor on the screen! trust me it was awesome. Obviously that kind of thing is far too outdated to be bothered with now... I guess im just old school.
quite fantastic. all i have to say really.
Anonymous Coward: You speak with wisdom way beyond you name ;)
I'm in full agreement here, much respect to the Scottish Coppers who got into a bit of a cashflow problem, so instead of saying "Well, the answer is simple! We spend less money keeping police on the street" thay actually sat down and thought, "How can we cut costs without taking coppers of the streets?" and like millions before them, they realized that when ur paying over £100 per license for a product you perhaps use 8% of (at most!) its not good economics.
So they tried StarOffice, and in the end they decided it would be better to switch back to Microsoft. This, is one of those occasions where (not by any fault of its own, personally I blame the invasive Microsoft proaganda that states "its our way or the highway") OSS has FAILED.
No hard feelings, do better next time.
Linux was designed as an ALTERNATIVE OS. Alternative being the operative word. And they seemed to get it right, the prrof being that was have so many distros.
Aside from the Soviet argument (which btw i liked very much) there is of course the practical side of things.
What most people will see in thier minds eye when they hear "Consolidate" Linux into one distro, is a kind of SUSE/Debian/Red Hat/Mandrake hybrid, with a lot less control over your system (ie almost all X based), So we can assume that this would be aimed at home users (I dont believe a person using a linux box as a dedicated server would clamour for a Unified Linux)
The first obsticle to overcome is the MASSIVE problem of bloatware. Without very careful planning, a mix of linux distros, would end up packed to the ears with...well...lets face it: crap.
The second problem is compatabiliy, almost all distros (Certainly the older and popular ones) have slight differances in their dir structure (lib paths etc). This, in the grand scheme of things, itsnt such are big problem, but it all adds up.
So anybody who really wanted to do this correctly would take (what he/she thought was) the most popular distro with the best support, and take its dir struct as his/her own) and simpley code in what he thinks are the best aspects of linux, taking out the problems.
Hold on a tick! I think i just described another distro!
See thats one of the big problems: where does it stop being "just another distro" and become Unified Linux, ill tell ya, it doesnt, unless all of the developers are working quite literally side by side, taking orders from a group of people put in charge to decide what this new system will achieve.
Hold on a tick! I just described Microsoft.
You see people, linux is more a concept than anything else, the kernal is useless alone, as is the software without it.
100% with you. Hell, the periodic table has been around longer than the fool who thought he'd quit his illustration class and pretend to be a scientist. Mendeleev was a genius, and i've never understood why he never got the respect he deserved. He was quite literally DECADES ahead of his time whose first draft of the table was written on a cocktail napkin. For those who couldnt be bother to read my rant: Mendeleev = Good This Other Bloke = Bad Science = Pitiful excuse for knowledge