No, no you're obviously on the side of capital. The vast majority of residents leaving Manchester that night made their support for the actions clear. You're missing all of my points entirely; people are waking up to the fact that JD sports make 1000% profits whilst employing slaves in China for pennies, causing rife unemployment here.
Get the fuck of my back, troll. My political beliefs are the only sustainable political beliefs in existence, it's you who is perverse if you can reply to a comment like that and not want to slit your wrists, scumbag.
These kids went out of their way not to hurt bystanders and innocents, and so did the police, I have to say. This is mostly about capitalism and unemployment. So get off my thread. Slashdot, if there's an uber-delete, please delete this fucking troll, and my reply (this.)
By the way, in case that wasn't clear enough for you, Moss Side and Hulme are "rough" areas of Manchester. Well, if you're a cop or banker, anyway.
The point is intended to illustrate their attitute towards opportunity - "here film this with me. You try the 55m lens and you try the 200. You can swap later" compared to obstruction (a line of shields and a pittance because they can't find work - NOT don't want work - it's not the same thing!)
Why the hell would the Guardian (world-reknowned for voluntarily reporting from a neutral point of view) and the BBC (legally bound to do the same thing) want to skew statistics against the same race that makes up most of their staffers? You are seriously fucking trolling, I'm pretty damned sure the stills of crowds here in Manchester will prove you wrong.
Now why is this upload. taking so long? And before you ask, no I don't upload to that free-for-all Flickr or anything else like that, I upload to big three: BBC, ITN and Sky. And I give them time to publish before I even think about sharing them elsewhere, too. It's called getting paid for hard work, which these kids deserve a chance to do.
I've taught dozens of these same kids (I counted scores of Hi! Rachel's from the crowds last night) to shoot an SLR or a DVCam in safe environments like Moss Side, and Hulme. I've only ever had one camera stolen, a Nikon D40, and guess who stole it? A white smackhead. And we all know what I think of those. I'd sooner lock THOSE up than these "mindless thugs" and "different gangs" you're all getting worried about.
It's only the selfish and greedy who need fear this crowd, no matter what colour they are.
I didn't explain that beautiful moment properly, I didn't do him justice.
Despite all that armour, the weaponry, and his comrades flanking him, that officer in that moment was scared, scared of me, scared of the camera, scared of the idea (speculation begins) that maybe, just maybe they shouldn't be there and neither should we, and we both knew the reasons underlying it all.
Sharing that moment with him, and him seeing my expression and reaction, and the solid eye contact and mutual tears welling that ensued after I put my camera down from my face, has changed me forever. I can now view "the pigs" in a completely different light to my usual trolling self... I'm usually the first to slag authority and especially enforcement of same.
They bleed the same. I saw it last night. Thanks for listening, I had to get that out. Some of them are "jobsworths", some bullies, but not all. Remember that next time you hurl abuse at a police line. They could be our comrades come the Revolution. I saw that possibility tonight.
For years I've been filming and photographing peaceful demos here in Manchester (where it kicked off last night). When it was hippies, Green Party Comrades, and slightly biased press (count me in!), they used pyschological tactics like kettling, horse-trampling, and good planning, because we announce where we going and why well in advance (in accordance with our new Anti-Terrorist laws for peaceful protests - yes you read that right)
They had uniform photographers which were highly visible, and others cleverly hidden on roofs and in windows nearby. These guys were shooting top-end Canons with long 500mm lenses, yes I did chat to a few and they were specialists, not bobbies showing off nice SLRs to scare us.
Last night nothing like that was in evidence at all. They were charging anybody and everybody in their way (including me and other indie and staff journos hefting my SLRs), herding crowds of non-violent protesters along with the thugs, whilst completely ignoring looters. The above post just isn't accurate at all, and if anything they fought a losing battle again.
The BBC are totally in their pocket - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14470533 - it's the only way they can avoid having their cameras nicked. Our (indie) stuff isn't being broadcast anywhere yet, and the youths aren't bothering us, they're giving us a great show! A lot of them WANT to be photographed grinning. And a lot of them can articulate their political views very intelligently. And they're not copypasta ' ing each other either, they each have their own particular reasoning. They're human beings.
And on that note, I must relay a personal experience of mine last night. Staring down the eyepiece of a camera, I made eye contact with a "Robocop" riot officer looking at my camera and then rapidly side to side, and then at the camera again. I nearly cried, and I removed the camera from between with us and just bonded with him for a few seconds.
Nobody should be mixed up in a all this. "Them" or "Us" alike. Those police can end this right now by turning around, and enforcing the people's will on those who have caused these problems, since, well whenever. Those with the boot on the face of humanity.
I just spent an evening embedded with indie journalists in Manchester. It's definitely at least two-thirds white.
And there's more to it than "mindless violence" too. The train station here, just a few hundred metres from one main flashpoint (Piccadilly Gardens), it fucking immaculate. I was in there at 5am this morning insisting that Network Rail put in an official statement to that effect. I hope they do.
They said themselves that last time there was disorder in Manchester (caused by a certain Scottish football team) Piccadilly Train Station was, to put it bluntly, completely ruined.
I saw all kinds of colours and themes of clothing; wierdos with cameras being ignored in favour of fasion shop windows. Most people stood around to bolster numbers, and those smashing windows are NOT those looting. The looters come after, and the are primarily white trash but I saw one Asian guy who was abusive to our photographers taking a whole glass shop counter in a van using a trolley.
During the same support call, the rep told me that the network would prioritise voice, text and pay per gig traffic. I was quite relieved, not only because of the guilt aspect (tragedy of the commons) but also because I know that my torrent is not hurting their profit margins. They seen fairly impressed that I had asked, and told me not to worry, enjoy it!
In the UK, there's one big 3G-only network offering unlimited data for £15 a month on PAYG.
Grab a Sony-Ericsson A2 handset supporting HSPDA, stick your SIM in there, and tether with the oldest version of the PC-suite you can find (they get worse and more unreliable the newer they get).
I HAMMER that fucker, and have done since the plan came out, and not a single complaint and never throttled - we're talking gigs a day over Bittorrent / eMule. Customer support told me they don't want to know what I'm doing, they don't support it, but they don't stop it.
Anybody with the brains to figure out which network I'm referring to, feel free, but if it hits critical mass I feel it will come to an end. And all because I posted on/. - I was in two minds whether or not to. Please do not post the network's name in replies to this post. I like it this way.
1) Fair enough. I start my browser and go to "slashdot.org/login.pl" directly, then click submit.
2) The bait is in my posting history, I'm real, I'm verifiable, I'm female AND there's pics. Some peeps here have already found that out; I was kinda trolling them for compliments etc... sorry...
3) Wow. Never thought of it like that. Does this apply to all women now? Even if they "ask for it" like I did? Poor men. That can't be good for our collective mental health, and that is the only really serious thing I've posted today. I'm sorry.
FYI, although I'm a goth, and I like collars (on me, not necessarily on someone else!) it originally referred to my web programming career at the time, so you shouldn't be too scared. But I have to admit that I also saw the other meaning, and liked it... Rachel
He have me a compliment and some respect at one point so ive stopped replying. I know im right anyway lol, I shouldnt get so wound up, im such a biter!
Hmmm... No replies? A verifiable Real Girl (TM) turns up and posts a flirty comment and you guys all run and hide! It must be true what they say about this place...
Thank you. Good points, and im always amused and grateful when people swing their axes for me here, despite me being an obnoxious ranting girl-troll myself. Im honest, though, and I dont do it just to wind people up, im frustrated lol (take that however you like, read my posts if you like!):)
What with all the patting and stroking at airports these days, I think they'd be very happy if I did. Especially if I let them pat me and stroke me as well anyhow...
Carl Bass is President and CEO of Autodesk, so if you're referring to him, you spelt his name wrong, but I'm reasonably flattered.
And, as I already suspected, Karl Marx would be correctly spelled if that's who you're referring to, and I'm more flattered than I would be if you were referring to Carl, above.
Thanks for the little research idea, anyhow. Rachel
Who's Karl? Someone on the board of Autodesk, or the reincarnation of Karl Marx?
Either way, I'm flattered, apart from the fact that Karl is most probably male. But then again, Margaret (context, think for a second!) was treated as and measured against the men, and she took that stick and hit them over the head with it!
Also, you trolling twat, I've caught you out since I posted that. 3DS MAX and Maya are available for Linux and SGI, running natively. Thanks for playing. Go troll the latest M$ article, at least they deserve your ire.
As long as capitalism encourages this, it will continue. Don't blame the child, blame the parent.
I would also like to add that they retain the teams and platforms - gosh they still have seperate 3DS MAX and Maya teams! I'd like you to use those finely-honed research skills to compare and contrast this with, say, IBM, or M$...
Hey! They can't be ALL bad, after all, they maintain Maya well. And AutoCAD is an improvement on the TurboCAD GUI (showing my age and experience here...), IMHO, so they do write software, they don't just buy it!
You're right about the corporate-orientated business plan though. But what do you expect when their main clients are architects and planners? They market to the segment that buys their software. Don't shoot them for that.
"Bring their modules" to the Mac... implies you're a bitter Mac-head who'd LIKE to run AutoCAD if you could... maybe you should have bought a few components which would have cost half what your Mac cost and assembled them yourself, then you could have the same toys as me, no?
GNAA just isn't what it used to be anymore. They used to actually get FP, and they posted these really dirty trolls that wound everybody up... yes, that's considered a good troll here...
Now look. Bottom post, near enough, and some auto-generated crap. If anything, this "troll" is trolling trolls like me, who become the biters, making this a successful troll... oh well, "Submit"
In my last reply I downed arms. This post appears as though you are doing the same. We disagreed about something, fought it out, and found we have loads in common! I love slashdot...
ps Thank you. You're not the first person to describe me as "honourable" when I've been trolling here. I'm honest, intelligent, self-educated, I have contributed to society in significant ways, and I can be proven or shown that I am wrong... I just have several chips on my shoulder (lack of money being one of them) and I take it out on Slashdot. Some of these people know who I am in IRL. If you're interested, look at my posting history. You'll have to filter the rants and trolls though! Nice to meet you!
Kudos for that whoami output or whatever (I can't be bothered to check, it was either that or uname output). Fair enough on that front, whilst I got a little angry about your console-orientated POV it would appear that you're not stupid, nor are you "religious" about the differences.
Regarding what you said after that, especially misquoting me regarding dual-shock, I still win on the original argument, which is that we pwn with kb+m and that's why they stopped us competing online.
Regarding efficiency, no, you're wrong, a modern gaming PC is not much less efficient than it would be if it was purpose-designed now, and modern "Xbox" consoles are stripped down generic PCs with low cost, high volume parts. But you make some interesting points about the early days (I had an Amstrad CPC myself, so I always did see it as a computer first and game second), especially about NES and Amiga.
I didn't give you shit for using a console, and I'm glad that you would choose Oblivion et al. to play on it, it started as an honest-to-goodness rant replying to your assertion that pads are as good as mice, which they aren't, except for certain (dated) purposes such as platformers and racers. It kind of got out of control after that because you were attacking me, and I defended my corner. I was further encouraged by others' support, and still stand by all the statements I made, except the couple about whether you own a PC.
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No, no you're obviously on the side of capital. The vast majority of residents leaving Manchester that night made their support for the actions clear. You're missing all of my points entirely; people are waking up to the fact that JD sports make 1000% profits whilst employing slaves in China for pennies, causing rife unemployment here.
Get the fuck of my back, troll. My political beliefs are the only sustainable political beliefs in existence, it's you who is perverse if you can reply to a comment like that and not want to slit your wrists, scumbag.
These kids went out of their way not to hurt bystanders and innocents, and so did the police, I have to say. This is mostly about capitalism and unemployment. So get off my thread. Slashdot, if there's an uber-delete, please delete this fucking troll, and my reply (this.)
By the way, in case that wasn't clear enough for you, Moss Side and Hulme are "rough" areas of Manchester. Well, if you're a cop or banker, anyway.
The point is intended to illustrate their attitute towards opportunity - "here film this with me. You try the 55m lens and you try the 200. You can swap later" compared to obstruction (a line of shields and a pittance because they can't find work - NOT don't want work - it's not the same thing!)
Why the hell would the Guardian (world-reknowned for voluntarily reporting from a neutral point of view) and the BBC (legally bound to do the same thing) want to skew statistics against the same race that makes up most of their staffers? You are seriously fucking trolling, I'm pretty damned sure the stills of crowds here in Manchester will prove you wrong.
Now why is this upload. taking so long? And before you ask, no I don't upload to that free-for-all Flickr or anything else like that, I upload to big three: BBC, ITN and Sky. And I give them time to publish before I even think about sharing them elsewhere, too. It's called getting paid for hard work, which these kids deserve a chance to do.
I've taught dozens of these same kids (I counted scores of Hi! Rachel's from the crowds last night) to shoot an SLR or a DVCam in safe environments like Moss Side, and Hulme. I've only ever had one camera stolen, a Nikon D40, and guess who stole it? A white smackhead. And we all know what I think of those. I'd sooner lock THOSE up than these "mindless thugs" and "different gangs" you're all getting worried about.
It's only the selfish and greedy who need fear this crowd, no matter what colour they are.
I didn't explain that beautiful moment properly, I didn't do him justice.
Despite all that armour, the weaponry, and his comrades flanking him, that officer in that moment was scared, scared of me, scared of the camera, scared of the idea (speculation begins) that maybe, just maybe they shouldn't be there and neither should we, and we both knew the reasons underlying it all.
Sharing that moment with him, and him seeing my expression and reaction, and the solid eye contact and mutual tears welling that ensued after I put my camera down from my face, has changed me forever. I can now view "the pigs" in a completely different light to my usual trolling self... I'm usually the first to slag authority and especially enforcement of same.
They bleed the same. I saw it last night. Thanks for listening, I had to get that out. Some of them are "jobsworths", some bullies, but not all. Remember that next time you hurl abuse at a police line. They could be our comrades come the Revolution. I saw that possibility tonight.
I'm going to bed, 24 hours awake now.
No, our police are wayto soft and stupid for that on this occasion.
Don't worry, I'll qualify this, I'm not trolling tonight, I'm deadly serious.
For years I've been filming and photographing peaceful demos here in Manchester (where it kicked off last night). When it was hippies, Green Party Comrades, and slightly biased press (count me in!), they used pyschological tactics like kettling, horse-trampling, and good planning, because we announce where we going and why well in advance (in accordance with our new Anti-Terrorist laws for peaceful protests - yes you read that right)
They had uniform photographers which were highly visible, and others cleverly hidden on roofs and in windows nearby. These guys were shooting top-end Canons with long 500mm lenses, yes I did chat to a few and they were specialists, not bobbies showing off nice SLRs to scare us.
Last night nothing like that was in evidence at all. They were charging anybody and everybody in their way (including me and other indie and staff journos hefting my SLRs), herding crowds of non-violent protesters along with the thugs, whilst completely ignoring looters. The above post just isn't accurate at all, and if anything they fought a losing battle again.
The BBC are totally in their pocket - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14470533 - it's the only way they can avoid having their cameras nicked. Our (indie) stuff isn't being broadcast anywhere yet, and the youths aren't bothering us, they're giving us a great show! A lot of them WANT to be photographed grinning. And a lot of them can articulate their political views very intelligently. And they're not copypasta ' ing each other either, they each have their own particular reasoning. They're human beings.
And on that note, I must relay a personal experience of mine last night. Staring down the eyepiece of a camera, I made eye contact with a "Robocop" riot officer looking at my camera and then rapidly side to side, and then at the camera again. I nearly cried, and I removed the camera from between with us and just bonded with him for a few seconds.
Nobody should be mixed up in a all this. "Them" or "Us" alike. Those police can end this right now by turning around, and enforcing the people's will on those who have caused these problems, since, well whenever. Those with the boot on the face of humanity.
I just spent an evening embedded with indie journalists in Manchester. It's definitely at least two-thirds white.
And there's more to it than "mindless violence" too. The train station here, just a few hundred metres from one main flashpoint (Piccadilly Gardens), it fucking immaculate. I was in there at 5am this morning insisting that Network Rail put in an official statement to that effect. I hope they do.
They said themselves that last time there was disorder in Manchester (caused by a certain Scottish football team) Piccadilly Train Station was, to put it bluntly, completely ruined.
I saw all kinds of colours and themes of clothing; wierdos with cameras being ignored in favour of fasion shop windows. Most people stood around to bolster numbers, and those smashing windows are NOT those looting. The looters come after, and the are primarily white trash but I saw one Asian guy who was abusive to our photographers taking a whole glass shop counter in a van using a trolley.
"It's mine. You got a problem with that?"
During the same support call, the rep told me that the network would prioritise voice, text and pay per gig traffic. I was quite relieved, not only because of the guilt aspect (tragedy of the commons) but also because I know that my torrent is not hurting their profit margins. They seen fairly impressed that I had asked, and told me not to worry, enjoy it!
In the UK, there's one big 3G-only network offering unlimited data for £15 a month on PAYG.
Grab a Sony-Ericsson A2 handset supporting HSPDA, stick your SIM in there, and tether with the oldest version of the PC-suite you can find (they get worse and more unreliable the newer they get).
I HAMMER that fucker, and have done since the plan came out, and not a single complaint and never throttled - we're talking gigs a day over Bittorrent / eMule. Customer support told me they don't want to know what I'm doing, they don't support it, but they don't stop it.
Anybody with the brains to figure out which network I'm referring to, feel free, but if it hits critical mass I feel it will come to an end. And all because I posted on /. - I was in two minds whether or not to. Please do not post the network's name in replies to this post. I like it this way.
Phew. That works. So Virgin Media (UK) does support it. I was worried there.
Even after removing the space and trying it as is, and after removing one of those double colons and trying again, it still doesn't work. :(
Yum yum, a lovely tasty copypasta!!!
LOL some good points in there.
1) Fair enough. I start my browser and go to "slashdot.org/login.pl" directly, then click submit.
2) The bait is in my posting history, I'm real, I'm verifiable, I'm female AND there's pics. Some peeps here have already found that out; I was kinda trolling them for compliments etc... sorry...
3) Wow. Never thought of it like that. Does this apply to all women now? Even if they "ask for it" like I did? Poor men. That can't be good for our collective mental health, and that is the only really serious thing I've posted today. I'm sorry.
Thanks for the reply, anyhow.
Fair enough, lmao! Thanks anyway...
FYI, although I'm a goth, and I like collars (on me, not necessarily on someone else!) it originally referred to my web programming career at the time, so you shouldn't be too scared. But I have to admit that I also saw the other meaning, and liked it... Rachel
He have me a compliment and some respect at one point so ive stopped replying. I know im right anyway lol, I shouldnt get so wound up, im such a biter!
Hmmm... No replies? A verifiable Real Girl (TM) turns up and posts a flirty comment and you guys all run and hide! It must be true what they say about this place...
Thank you. Good points, and im always amused and grateful when people swing their axes for me here, despite me being an obnoxious ranting girl-troll myself. Im honest, though, and I dont do it just to wind people up, im frustrated lol (take that however you like, read my posts if you like!) :)
What with all the patting and stroking at airports these days, I think they'd be very happy if I did. Especially if I let them pat me and stroke me as well anyhow...
Right, I've googled it, and concluded two things:
Carl Bass is President and CEO of Autodesk, so if you're referring to him, you spelt his name wrong, but I'm reasonably flattered.
And, as I already suspected, Karl Marx would be correctly spelled if that's who you're referring to, and I'm more flattered than I would be if you were referring to Carl, above.
Thanks for the little research idea, anyhow. Rachel
Who's Karl? Someone on the board of Autodesk, or the reincarnation of Karl Marx?
Either way, I'm flattered, apart from the fact that Karl is most probably male. But then again, Margaret (context, think for a second!) was treated as and measured against the men, and she took that stick and hit them over the head with it!
This has to be nicest AC I've ever met.
Also, you trolling twat, I've caught you out since I posted that. 3DS MAX and Maya are available for Linux and SGI, running natively. Thanks for playing. Go troll the latest M$ article, at least they deserve your ire.
As long as capitalism encourages this, it will continue. Don't blame the child, blame the parent.
I would also like to add that they retain the teams and platforms - gosh they still have seperate 3DS MAX and Maya teams! I'd like you to use those finely-honed research skills to compare and contrast this with, say, IBM, or M$...
Hey! They can't be ALL bad, after all, they maintain Maya well. And AutoCAD is an improvement on the TurboCAD GUI (showing my age and experience here...), IMHO, so they do write software, they don't just buy it!
You're right about the corporate-orientated business plan though. But what do you expect when their main clients are architects and planners? They market to the segment that buys their software. Don't shoot them for that.
"Bring their modules" to the Mac... implies you're a bitter Mac-head who'd LIKE to run AutoCAD if you could... maybe you should have bought a few components which would have cost half what your Mac cost and assembled them yourself, then you could have the same toys as me, no?
GNAA just isn't what it used to be anymore. They used to actually get FP, and they posted these really dirty trolls that wound everybody up... yes, that's considered a good troll here...
Now look. Bottom post, near enough, and some auto-generated crap. If anything, this "troll" is trolling trolls like me, who become the biters, making this a successful troll... oh well, "Submit"
In my last reply I downed arms. This post appears as though you are doing the same. We disagreed about something, fought it out, and found we have loads in common! I love slashdot...
ps Thank you. You're not the first person to describe me as "honourable" when I've been trolling here. I'm honest, intelligent, self-educated, I have contributed to society in significant ways, and I can be proven or shown that I am wrong... I just have several chips on my shoulder (lack of money being one of them) and I take it out on Slashdot. Some of these people know who I am in IRL. If you're interested, look at my posting history. You'll have to filter the rants and trolls though! Nice to meet you!
Kudos for that whoami output or whatever (I can't be bothered to check, it was either that or uname output). Fair enough on that front, whilst I got a little angry about your console-orientated POV it would appear that you're not stupid, nor are you "religious" about the differences.
Regarding what you said after that, especially misquoting me regarding dual-shock, I still win on the original argument, which is that we pwn with kb+m and that's why they stopped us competing online.
Regarding efficiency, no, you're wrong, a modern gaming PC is not much less efficient than it would be if it was purpose-designed now, and modern "Xbox" consoles are stripped down generic PCs with low cost, high volume parts. But you make some interesting points about the early days (I had an Amstrad CPC myself, so I always did see it as a computer first and game second), especially about NES and Amiga.
I didn't give you shit for using a console, and I'm glad that you would choose Oblivion et al. to play on it, it started as an honest-to-goodness rant replying to your assertion that pads are as good as mice, which they aren't, except for certain (dated) purposes such as platformers and racers. It kind of got out of control after that because you were attacking me, and I defended my corner. I was further encouraged by others' support, and still stand by all the statements I made, except the couple about whether you own a PC.