Thanks again for showing your hand. FYI, I originally posted to a thread about input methods where the post I replied to, by you, contained this little gem:
"use an analog stick and mouse or a dual stick controller"
Most people would interpret this as implying that a dual stick controller is equivalent to a mouse, which is not true. It has never been true, and never will be, as has been proven in countless replies since then by myself and others.
It is you who moved the goalposts after I quite rightly put you in your place regarding PC gamers being disallowed, again quite rightly, from playing "handicapped" (the term works in golf so DONT you DARE play the PC card). It would seem from that from your antagonistic and provocative posts since then that a) you were simply looking to poo-poo any opinion other than yours; even when backed up by fact and that b) you were rightly bashed by myself and others and that from your last bitter post you c) expected that we would not agree with you!
With a UID as low as yours, I would have expected that a) you would know better than to think that you would win a console vs pc troll here and that b) you would have realised by now that the majority of gamers who read a technically orientated computing website would frown upon the "kiddie toys" you quite aptly describe in your own post. And that applies to all the twenty-something unemployed chavs with their "box"es who never grew up, too.
And on this article too - Oblivion, a game for the mindset that wouldn't normally play Street Fighter,7, John Madden 3000k, or bloody FIFA, which you know damn well are the mainstays, and cash cows, of the dumbed-down console industry. Targetted at the same generation that worship Simon Cowell and cried about Amy Winehouse's self-inflicted destruction.
Yes, troll. You got me angry. Thank you. Your problem is, and Slashdot knows it by now I think, I like to bite. And those that get bitten don't like it in the end, and they definitely don't come back for more as anything but ACs biting my ankles. So don't even bother. Move along. Leave the library (since you hate PCs so much I can't imagine you actually own one!), go home, turn on the box, and impress your Live "buddies" with your leet pad-wielding skills. And forget about us intelligent people here who base our opinions on provable, repeatable facts and who are open-minded enough to change our opinions when actually proved wrong.
Gosh, while I'm ranting, this argument sounds very familiar? Where have I heard others talking the way you do - oh yes!! Christians and their inane "We believe so it's true" crap coming here do the same thing, wind me up like this. I bite them too. To use your own terminology, go to hell!
Agreed, that's why it's called Unreal tournament. It tests reflexes and accuracy, using the best input method available currently (kb+m).
I notice that once I posted the facts about the differences between kbm and pads, and why we PC nerds are no longer allowed to spoil you box fun, you moved the goalposts to realism.
Not once did I assert that mouse is more realistic (even though, in many ways, it is!). I said I'd kick your pad-wielding ass if the powers that be would let us play on the same servers. And I was right, and you've pretty much just admitted you lost this one by moving the goalposts. Thanks. Rachel 1. Troll 0.
Thank you. If you've read any of my posts here, you'll see this idiot trolling me in replies to every one. The only good use for a pad is Super Mario World.
Normally I'd agree with you about impatient gamers, however, that isn't the issue here.
The author is grateful for extra seconds because a) this is the first time anybody outside Bethesda has play-tested the new engine and b) they are being rushed for time by the people attending the console demos at the event.
"PC gamer snobbery" - you've just played your last card. I've sussed you. You can't afford to build a PC so we who can (and it's not much of a stretch, I'm currently unemployed!) must be snobs, what with wanting to customise the experienceand make it, err, better!
"stop worrying and love the dualshock" = we pwn you on level ground with our input devices, someone else slammed your reply to me above and my point was proven, and our games look and play better, so instead of aspiring to be like us you try to ram your crappy hardware down our throat?
You are probably correct about my lack of practice manipulating analog sticks, and how stiff-fisted (I'd say that's a more accurate description) my hands will be, locked to the keyboard and mouse as they are.
However, you still can't argue with the fact that the reason there is no cross-platform play is that PC gamers were wiping the floor with console gamers.
And you can't argue with the fact that I sat in front of my friend's console, turned sensitivity up to max, pushed the stick all the way to the right, and was dissappointed with the speed of my turn. Sorry. Click. Head shot.
Yes, I have been corrected and have thanked the AC (for once!) above. I missed it because the comparison was such a reasonable one, in context (the old menus were crap!)
For those iFans out there, read my GP. That tablet really does run oblivion, in fact their 2006 tx2500 model does too (but at around 19fps as opposed to 30fps) so why all the fuss for a closed, underpowered, out-of-date piece of crap like the iPad? That's why I jumped straight in, I have a lot of tension about stupid people, commercial interests, and the two coming together to make life shit, when it could be great, for everyone.
Thank you! Now I can relax when bragging chavs wax lyrical about how much better a pad is, I knew I was right anyway because I can turn and point my gun at your head faster with a mouse than is physically possible with a pad, but now I have it confirmed!
ps "your search skill has increased" - cute and bang on topic! Thanks for making me smile!
One my pet hates is console gamers who played Unreal Tournament on their "box" and think they could beat me on my kb/m with their "leet pad". It's a hate rather than just a niggle cos I can't prove them wrong because of the short-sightedness of games designers. We all know it's because it's unfair, but dumb console-heads seem to think they have the advantage!
Is there any way to directly compare the platforms through cross-platform FPS play? If so, I'll buy both platform versions of the game that allows it and a damn "box" just so my smug pad-wielding guests can finally shut up!
Hang on a minute here - yes I am pissed off with the amount of worship the iPad gets in the media, mostly because the optimum tablet format (convertable PC) was quietly ignored by most geeks (go look at the HP tm2 - the fuckin thing can PLAY Oblivion on it's Radeon HD 3 series at native resolutions at 30+ fps!!!) BUT
Teehee AC - you are a biter aren't you? Let me deal with your points one by one. I'm not a Mac user, my tablet of choice is the hp tx2 and tm2 series, both of which are convertible PC tablets, upgraded by myself to Windows 7. Not only do they run everything, but they game. Regarding undeserved entitlement, am I not entitle to enjoy what I choose to purchase, and recommend what I think is the best tool for the jobs I have in mind?
And regarding my signature and my score, I get mod-bombed regularly, and often HAVE to post at 0, making the assertion in my sig a fact.
And regarding personal grandeur, I'm well aware of what I contribute and am capable of, and can hold my own, thank you. Why do I get the feeling you're the same idiot who mod-bombs me, and posts personally orientated replies to my on-topic comments whenever he sees them?
Let me guess, you're an inadequate male who is starved of sex and has seen pics of me, then been told to fuck off in a previous discussion, by me and others. I don't have illusions of grandeur, thank you. But I do value myself - which you don't seem to at all. Hence the mod-bombing and these trolls.
There's an Attributes ring, a Restore ring, and a Skills necklace, all wearable together. Instant demi-God character (you can still die if you play badly though, hence demi-God)
That's why mods were so popular for Oblivion. Don't like the candle-strength variety of Fireball? Mod it, re-balance. Because it's such a single-player, unranked, non-social game, you've only got your experience to rate yourself by.
If you're happy wading into town wearing Tempo's Jewelary and blasting all in sight, do it. Whatever's right for you. That's what RPGs are all about.
Our governments may have been, in serious conflict, but the general feelings of the population of the UK as a whole have never been so negative as they are today.
Come on, seriously, how the hell did the original Tea Party's actions directly affect the lives of ordinary people in the UK?
Constrast this with the worldwide economic nightmare your wars and greed are causing now.
Even before your "fake Pearl Harbour", your greed and avarice took on new heights and obesity reached record levels. And you carry on laughing to the bank whilst the rest of the world suffers.
So, you are wrong (but also right). I hope this explains my statement a little.
No, he's not. He means the thick, chopped potato variety, not the thin, American, never-seen-potatos-nor-been-to-France variety you are referring to, which come from American exports like McDonalds.
FYI, the two nations you are referring to are divided by much more than usage of our (English) language, more so recently than ever before.
Blatant lies. Now I know you're trolling; Firefox for Android DOES support Flash, and the browser's user-agent is the only thing standing between you and rich Internet goodness. Maybe you couldn't figure that out and got bitter about it, and started trolling every time you see the iPad compared to Android?
The use cases I'm referring to above don't refer to me, however, those people who do have little choice about this (financially or geographically) should be considered when designing the "Internets" (i.e. websites)
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Thanks again for showing your hand. FYI, I originally posted to a thread about input methods where the post I replied to, by you, contained this little gem:
"use an analog stick and mouse or a dual stick controller"
Most people would interpret this as implying that a dual stick controller is equivalent to a mouse, which is not true. It has never been true, and never will be, as has been proven in countless replies since then by myself and others.
It is you who moved the goalposts after I quite rightly put you in your place regarding PC gamers being disallowed, again quite rightly, from playing "handicapped" (the term works in golf so DONT you DARE play the PC card). It would seem from that from your antagonistic and provocative posts since then that a) you were simply looking to poo-poo any opinion other than yours; even when backed up by fact and that b) you were rightly bashed by myself and others and that from your last bitter post you c) expected that we would not agree with you!
With a UID as low as yours, I would have expected that a) you would know better than to think that you would win a console vs pc troll here and that b) you would have realised by now that the majority of gamers who read a technically orientated computing website would frown upon the "kiddie toys" you quite aptly describe in your own post. And that applies to all the twenty-something unemployed chavs with their "box"es who never grew up, too.
And on this article too - Oblivion, a game for the mindset that wouldn't normally play Street Fighter,7, John Madden 3000k, or bloody FIFA, which you know damn well are the mainstays, and cash cows, of the dumbed-down console industry. Targetted at the same generation that worship Simon Cowell and cried about Amy Winehouse's self-inflicted destruction.
Yes, troll. You got me angry. Thank you. Your problem is, and Slashdot knows it by now I think, I like to bite. And those that get bitten don't like it in the end, and they definitely don't come back for more as anything but ACs biting my ankles. So don't even bother. Move along. Leave the library (since you hate PCs so much I can't imagine you actually own one!), go home, turn on the box, and impress your Live "buddies" with your leet pad-wielding skills. And forget about us intelligent people here who base our opinions on provable, repeatable facts and who are open-minded enough to change our opinions when actually proved wrong.
Gosh, while I'm ranting, this argument sounds very familiar? Where have I heard others talking the way you do - oh yes!! Christians and their inane "We believe so it's true" crap coming here do the same thing, wind me up like this. I bite them too. To use your own terminology, go to hell!
Agreed, that's why it's called Unreal tournament. It tests reflexes and accuracy, using the best input method available currently (kb+m).
I notice that once I posted the facts about the differences between kbm and pads, and why we PC nerds are no longer allowed to spoil you box fun, you moved the goalposts to realism.
Not once did I assert that mouse is more realistic (even though, in many ways, it is!). I said I'd kick your pad-wielding ass if the powers that be would let us play on the same servers. And I was right, and you've pretty much just admitted you lost this one by moving the goalposts. Thanks. Rachel 1. Troll 0.
Thank you. If you've read any of my posts here, you'll see this idiot trolling me in replies to every one. The only good use for a pad is Super Mario World.
Normally I'd agree with you about impatient gamers, however, that isn't the issue here.
The author is grateful for extra seconds because a) this is the first time anybody outside Bethesda has play-tested the new engine and b) they are being rushed for time by the people attending the console demos at the event.
He says so in TFA.
"PC gamer snobbery" - you've just played your last card. I've sussed you. You can't afford to build a PC so we who can (and it's not much of a stretch, I'm currently unemployed!) must be snobs, what with wanting to customise the experienceand make it, err, better!
"stop worrying and love the dualshock" = we pwn you on level ground with our input devices, someone else slammed your reply to me above and my point was proven, and our games look and play better, so instead of aspiring to be like us you try to ram your crappy hardware down our throat?
You are probably correct about my lack of practice manipulating analog sticks, and how stiff-fisted (I'd say that's a more accurate description) my hands will be, locked to the keyboard and mouse as they are.
However, you still can't argue with the fact that the reason there is no cross-platform play is that PC gamers were wiping the floor with console gamers.
And you can't argue with the fact that I sat in front of my friend's console, turned sensitivity up to max, pushed the stick all the way to the right, and was dissappointed with the speed of my turn. Sorry. Click. Head shot.
Yes, I have been corrected and have thanked the AC (for once!) above. I missed it because the comparison was such a reasonable one, in context (the old menus were crap!)
For those iFans out there, read my GP. That tablet really does run oblivion, in fact their 2006 tx2500 model does too (but at around 19fps as opposed to 30fps) so why all the fuss for a closed, underpowered, out-of-date piece of crap like the iPad? That's why I jumped straight in, I have a lot of tension about stupid people, commercial interests, and the two coming together to make life shit, when it could be great, for everyone.
Thank you! Now I can relax when bragging chavs wax lyrical about how much better a pad is, I knew I was right anyway because I can turn and point my gun at your head faster with a mouse than is physically possible with a pad, but now I have it confirmed!
ps "your search skill has increased" - cute and bang on topic! Thanks for making me smile!
I'm one of them.
One my pet hates is console gamers who played Unreal Tournament on their "box" and think they could beat me on my kb/m with their "leet pad". It's a hate rather than just a niggle cos I can't prove them wrong because of the short-sightedness of games designers. We all know it's because it's unfair, but dumb console-heads seem to think they have the advantage!
Is there any way to directly compare the platforms through cross-platform FPS play? If so, I'll buy both platform versions of the game that allows it and a damn "box" just so my smug pad-wielding guests can finally shut up!
Oh hang on... I'll explain...
You're obviously correct, however, because the comment was on-context for what he was describing it passed right over my head!
So fair point, my observation skills are at fault here. Sorry everyone (winds neck back in) - don't you just hate looking dumb?
Hang on a minute here - yes I am pissed off with the amount of worship the iPad gets in the media, mostly because the optimum tablet format (convertable PC) was quietly ignored by most geeks (go look at the HP tm2 - the fuckin thing can PLAY Oblivion on it's Radeon HD 3 series at native resolutions at 30+ fps!!!) BUT
and THIS IS A BIG BUT
Where the hell does he mention the iPad in TFA?
Teehee AC - you are a biter aren't you? Let me deal with your points one by one. I'm not a Mac user, my tablet of choice is the hp tx2 and tm2 series, both of which are convertible PC tablets, upgraded by myself to Windows 7. Not only do they run everything, but they game. Regarding undeserved entitlement, am I not entitle to enjoy what I choose to purchase, and recommend what I think is the best tool for the jobs I have in mind?
And regarding my signature and my score, I get mod-bombed regularly, and often HAVE to post at 0, making the assertion in my sig a fact.
And regarding personal grandeur, I'm well aware of what I contribute and am capable of, and can hold my own, thank you. Why do I get the feeling you're the same idiot who mod-bombs me, and posts personally orientated replies to my on-topic comments whenever he sees them?
Let me guess, you're an inadequate male who is starved of sex and has seen pics of me, then been told to fuck off in a previous discussion, by me and others. I don't have illusions of grandeur, thank you. But I do value myself - which you don't seem to at all. Hence the mod-bombing and these trolls.
So, as I said, move along.
Try Tempo's Jewellary for Oblivion.
There's an Attributes ring, a Restore ring, and a Skills necklace, all wearable together. Instant demi-God character (you can still die if you play badly though, hence demi-God)
That's why mods were so popular for Oblivion. Don't like the candle-strength variety of Fireball? Mod it, re-balance. Because it's such a single-player, unranked, non-social game, you've only got your experience to rate yourself by.
If you're happy wading into town wearing Tempo's Jewelary and blasting all in sight, do it. Whatever's right for you. That's what RPGs are all about.
No I didn't!
Our governments may have been, in serious conflict, but the general feelings of the population of the UK as a whole have never been so negative as they are today.
Come on, seriously, how the hell did the original Tea Party's actions directly affect the lives of ordinary people in the UK?
Constrast this with the worldwide economic nightmare your wars and greed are causing now.
Even before your "fake Pearl Harbour", your greed and avarice took on new heights and obesity reached record levels. And you carry on laughing to the bank whilst the rest of the world suffers.
So, you are wrong (but also right). I hope this explains my statement a little.
No, he's not. He means the thick, chopped potato variety, not the thin, American, never-seen-potatos-nor-been-to-France variety you are referring to, which come from American exports like McDonalds.
FYI, the two nations you are referring to are divided by much more than usage of our (English) language, more so recently than ever before.
I said either, as in neither tablet does those. That you missed that says a lot about your ability to contribute positively here. Move along.
What does this mean? Please, someone send me a cipher!!!
Blatant lies. Now I know you're trolling; Firefox for Android DOES support Flash, and the browser's user-agent is the only thing standing between you and rich Internet goodness. Maybe you couldn't figure that out and got bitter about it, and started trolling every time you see the iPad compared to Android?
You're not doing a very good job of trolling for Apple.
The iPad can't view Flash, Silverlight, full embedded Java, or ActiveX either. What's your point exactly?
The use cases I'm referring to above don't refer to me, however, those people who do have little choice about this (financially or geographically) should be considered when designing the "Internets" (i.e. websites)
Yes, some of use still do connect over POTS modems, GSM, crappy 3G and unreliable Belkin54g routers.
Relax, trendy!
You are of course correct, but, I couldn't resist:-
Worst...
Spelling
Ever!! (There, FTFY!)
Damn you beat me to it. The famous troll appears as a front page article. Maybe a really old troll got promoted to editor status. /troll