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8 Ways To Circumvent the PROTECT-IP Act

Dangerous_Minds writes "One of the things that the PROTECT-IP act is said to do is make DNS servers censor websites that have been accused of copyright infringement. Drew Wilson of ZeroPaid decided to look in to how many ways he could come up with that would circumvent such censorship. He found 8 ways to circumvent such censorship. The article includes pros and cons and links to guides on how to carry out these methods. The methods are: using a VPN service, using your HOSTs file, using TOR, using freely available DNS lookup tools, changing your DNS server to a non-US server, using command prompt, using Foxy Proxy, and using MAFIAAFire. If anything, the list raises serious doubts that the PROTECT IP Act will even put a dent on copyright infringement online."

284 comments

  1. Best idea by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Best idea: Don't use DNS servers located in the United States.

    I mean, at the rate our country's going, it won't be long before other countries just start walling us in. Not out. In. "Those 'mericans are craaaazy. They think they own this shit. Well, this here is mah router, and this here is mah website, and those yankee bastards can eat a bag of dicks."

    Progress: It's gonna happen, whether Uncle Sam wants it or not.

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    1. Re:Best idea by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Progress: It's gonna happen, whether Uncle Sam wants it or not

      Uncle Sam ain't the one holding progress, it's corporate America and its shills who do, and it's nothing new either...

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    2. Re:Best idea by p0p0 · · Score: 1

      Why did you give the person OUTSIDE of America the stereotypical redneck-american accent?

    3. Re:Best idea by ProfM · · Score: 1

      Huh? I read it with an Aussie accent.

    4. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...and those yankee bastards can eat a bag of dicks."

      And then they'll drive away!

    5. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did you give the person OUTSIDE of America the stereotypical redneck-american accent?

      Huh? I read it with an Aussie accent.

      Er, do you have any idea how Australians speak? That came across as *nothing* like an Aussie accent! I'm in the UK, and to me that was blatantly a US accent.

      I'm sure you could try mentally reading it that way, but then you could do that with a German accent too. Or an Austrian one for that matter. ;-)

    6. Re:Best idea by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Well, in his defense, most of us in Texas don't really associate ourselves with the US government much. Seriously, if you see a guy from Texas overseas, will he ever call himself an American, or will he call himself a Texan? (I always chose the latter) And if our politicians get too out of hand, and we don't want them in Texas any more, we send them to the white house to get them out of the Governors mansion. And I think we are about sick of Perry... Sorry.

    7. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How nice of you to inform foreigners that you are from one of the worst parts of the US.

    8. Re:Best idea by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 2

      Stop making Snow Crash seem even more plausible than it is already.

    9. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uncle Sam ain't the one holding progress, it's corporate America and its shills

      So what you mean is "corporate America and its shill politicians".

      Or more succinctly, "Uncle Sam", which is what he said.

      I guess you missed the overthrow, but the Supreme Court and the late ObL played a very big part.

    10. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happened to the eastern Texas courts then? Where are you going to ship those judges?

    11. Re:Best idea by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      No place is perfect... And the way Texas picks judges has some real problems. The big one being a giant list of people you have never heard of on election day. http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/04/20/0420judgeelect.html

    12. Re:Best idea by mlts · · Score: 1

      They don't have to wall the US out, all it would take is other nations signing onto an ICANN replacement. Then, even though an IP range may belong to foo.com in the US, everyone else will resolve it to bar.eb (for Elbonia), and their traffic would go to that site. Same with DNS. The international registry may say vendagoat.com goes to the site in Latveria, while in the US, it goes to a company that has had it for a while.

      It would be a split, but it would be relatively easy to do if other countries decided that the TLD registry needed to be owned by someone else.

      At any time, it wouldn't be hard for other countries, especially in blocs like BRIC to pick up their toys and go home. As of now, the only reason this hasn't been done is out of laziness -- ICANN and the existing IPv4 allocation methods work, so why bother changing? However, this can change at any moment.

    13. Re:Best idea by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Huh? I read it with an Aussie accent.

      Whatever accent you used, the vocabulary is entirely un-Aussie."Eat a bag of dicks"? Never heard that. "'mericans"? We'd say "yanks", or "septics" for a more vintage slang. "Mah"? In Strine, we say "me" for my. Basically, Australian vowels are shortened, the opposite to southern USA.

    14. Re:Best idea by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 2

      He didn't say he was from the Jersey Shore....

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    15. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm also from Texas, native enough to know where the Chicken Ranch was and which governor personally shut it down, know people who consider stump-breaking as a part of owning a ranch, know the difference between Central TX, Eastern TX, and north TX barbecue by the sauces they use, and by sight, know the difference between a pickup truck owned by someone who is all hat and no cattle versus a truck owned by someone who actually takes it off the tarmac. Hint: 2WD and 4WD are secondary, although 4WD always is handy.

      Before "W" got into office, Texas as considered cool and people actually wanted TX memorabilia in Europe. Heck, I brought some obnoxiously large belt buckles as a joke and sold them to Europeans before 2000.

      Thanks to "W", who is no way a Texan, (he is a Connecticut carpetbagger), I hide my origin as much as I can. Every other country reviles Texas, even though the majority of the people really never cared for "W" or his politics. Because I like beer bottles kept away from my cranium, I just pretend to be from California, but just employed in TX. I'm really glad I don't have the TX drawl because I really don't need a nose job delivered without proper medical advice at a pub if I'm overseas.

      Ironic CAPTCHA: doomsday

    16. Re:Best idea by tautog · · Score: 1

      And if our politicians get too out of hand, and we don't want them in Texas any more, we send them to the white house to get them out of the Governors mansion. And I think we are about sick of Perry... Sorry.

      Fuck you.

    17. Re:Best idea by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny
      And I think we are about sick of Perry... Sorry.

      Last time Texas tired of a governor you guys shipped him off to the White House. We still owe you bastards for that one... if you so much as even think about trying that stunt with Perry, we're going to have to give you jerks back to Mexico.

    18. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is CONgress that is opposed to PROgress.

      Corporations have bought Congress, who don't even know who elected them in the first place. Enough stupid people keep voting in the same Republicrats and Demicans and expecting different results. And I do blame both parties, as both parties are against progress, just different aspects.

      WE get the governance we deserve.

    19. Re:Best idea by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      And I think we are about sick of Perry... Sorry.

      Last time Texas tired of a governor you guys shipped him off to the White House. We still owe you bastards for that one... if you so much as even think about trying that stunt with Perry, we're going to have to give you jerks back to Mexico.

      Don't worry, the Mexicans are working it from the other angle as well.

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    20. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The line between corporate America and Uncle Sam blurs exponentially as time progresses.

    21. Re:Best idea by Sabriel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uncle Sam ain't the one holding progress, it's corporate America and its shills who do, and it's nothing new either...

      It's getting harder for the foreigners to tell the difference.

    22. Re:Best idea by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

      Take it easy. If we'd wall anyone in who is crazy and thinks he owns this shi.. Hey?! What's happened to my bedroom door?

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    23. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its always been like this... it was just less visible before there was a network to route around the corporate control of the media.

    24. Re:Best idea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Go with the times. Uncle Sam has become a branch of corporate America a long time ago. I'd be surprised if he ain't a Trademark of Disney or something similar by now.

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    25. Re:Best idea by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Question: what makes you think those out of the country will be ANY better? in case you haven't noticed you have a good chunk of the countries out there censoring left and right, "for the childrenz!" of course, and the other half have either signed treaties with the USA or are probably being pressured to as we speak.

      You see that is the problem with these cartels, in that just like mob cartels they have NO jurisdictional limits to their power. Just as they paid off OUR elected officials? so too can they pay off the officials of other nations.

      No what needs to happen is they get busted under the same laws as organized crime like RICO. After all you have a group of companies conspiring to fix prices, to lock competition out of the markets (why do you think every DJ in the country plays the same shit? Because they will be FIRED if they play anything that isn't on the approved playlist. And if you aren't owned by a cartel member? you ain't getting on the list friend) and to bribe officials even as they lie both in print/radio/TV and under oath. I'd say these groups are about as classic a case for RICO as one can get, but good luck since Citizens United means they don't even have to be sneaky about the bribes!

      In the end just like our unjust drug laws what we need is to get the masses to completely ignore it. Their laws simply cannot work if nobody agrees to follow them. Perhaps a mass "download day" where everyone hits every form of P2P to grab creative commons media? And have everyone do this every week, just snatch at random constantly so they can't tell who is doing legitimate protests and who is actually downloading their ill gotten gains (which if you've seen a new artist contract like I have you'd know it is legalized theft, pure and simple) so they can't enforce this stupid BS law.

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    26. Re:Best idea by scottbomb · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that one from Chicago is SO much better...

    27. Re:Best idea by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      Hmm, that brings me to "Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong!" A private, wholly extraterritorial, sovereign, quasi-national entity not recognized by any other.

    28. Re:Best idea by servies · · Score: 1

      Before "W" got into office, Texas as considered cool and people actually wanted TX memorabilia in Europe.

      I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but it never was...

    29. Re:Best idea by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Set up your own DNS server and let it talk to the root servers directly. It's no big deal to do.

      Unfortunately - the ISP:s will probably soon start to filter the DNS requests too in the same way as they have done with SMTP.

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    30. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And first amendment to the new rules. It is henceforth illegal in any way to knowingly or through ignorance to circumvent the state approved DNS servers.

      And with the already existing rules for national security (which for some strange reason this falls under) police officers and state/national agents are allowed to hack into your computer or break into your home to check any and all of your computers, phones, routers, microwave and fridge for any dangers to national security (as in illegal DNS settings)

      Now what?

    31. Re:Best idea by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      I'm also from Texas, native enough to know where the Chicken Ranch was and which governor personally shut it down,

      That would impress me more if your mom hadn't worked there.

    32. Re:Best idea by qxcv · · Score: 1

      Anyone know where I can find a good DNS server *outside* of America that does not censor queries?

      I live in Australia, but I switched to Google public DNS when my ISP began filtering content INTERPOL considers harmful (or at least the domain names of content INTERPOL considers harmful).

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    33. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't DNSSec stop ISPs from doing this kind of cute trick?

    34. Re:Best idea by synapse7 · · Score: 1

      So what are some "good" DNS servers located outside the US?

    35. Re:Best idea by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      So wait a minute. What happens if I run my own local resolver? Who's going to enforce this at this level?

      I can query the root servers myself, and from that point talk to the domain's nameservers directly!

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    36. Re:Best idea by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for them you can do DNS via all sorts of interesting methods, such as within an ICMP packet.

      I can't fathom how they might start blocking that, especially if one applies a simple cipher to the 'wrapped' data as well. Sure, my example does require an outside resource, but that's not really that large of an impediment.

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    37. Re:Best idea by X0563511 · · Score: 1
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    38. Re:Best idea by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Half the benefit of buying the government is that no legal action will be taken against them. What actually needs to happen is that, starting from the CEOs and moving down, each employee of a media company is systematically tortured to death. It shouldn't take more than a few thousand deaths before the remainder get the idea.

    39. Re:Best idea by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      This. Right here.

      The proverb "There is nothing new under the Sun" still holds true, especially in this case. Rockefeller, JP Morgan (the guy, not the company), JJ Astor (before the Titanic got him), Carnegie, you-name-it... most of these boys had their own 'pets' in Congress, and happily got what they paid for, with few exceptions. You rarely heard about it back then because, lo and behold, the papers (and later, radio stations) were owned by --tada!-- corporate interests.

      The only real diff now is that the Internet lets a lot of that information leak out.

      Oh, and here's a dirty little secret: The rest of the democratized world is (brace yourself...) run the exact same way.

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    40. Re:Best idea by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Before "W" got into office, Texas as considered cool and people actually wanted TX memorabilia in Europe

      Sorry, Texas wasn't cool in Europe. You'll find two stereotypes of Texans in European fiction from throughout the second half of the last century:

      • Very friendly, but not very bright people. Usually cowboys, and uncomfortable with any technology more modern than a horse.
      • Loud, obnoxious, and obsessed with the idea that everything is bigger / faster / better in Texas than anywhere else in the world.
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    41. Re:Best idea by esocid · · Score: 1

      Before "W" got into office, Texas was considered cool

      No it wasn't.

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    42. Re:Best idea by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Your ISP will redirect DNS queries to their DNS servers using routing. No matter what DNS server you set your machine to will be ignored.

      Next!

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    43. Re:Best idea by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      He said he was sorry. As another Texan, I too say, I am so very very sorry!

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    44. Re:Best idea by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Whoa, this is serious guys. A Texan's apology (excluding anything related to livestock-related accidents) is worth like 10 non-Texan-American apologies, or 50 Canadian apologies. That's one serious apology right there.

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    45. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who said we ever could? Although I have a theory about Seppos. The only reason the only ones we see in AU are loud, obnoxious, opinionated, and self-entitled is because they are the only ones that can afford to come here. I apologise to any nice Seppos on /. but unfortunately the examples that leave your country and tour the world really don't make you guys look that good(I saw a seppo couple thrown out of a supermarket only a couple of months ago)

      captcha = prohibit

    46. Re:Best idea by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Not using DNS servers outside the US won't stop this. The problem is that all these websites believe they need to be in .com (or other TLD from the US). If you don't like the laws of the US, don't use a US TLD. When you use a .com domain, you are submitting to the laws of the US, not the country where the server is hosted. If you want to host content deemed illegal in the US, you should instead be using freemovies.cn where it is legal to share other people's work for free.

      The issue you are seeing here isn't the issue at all. The .com TLD IS owned and run by the US.

      I can't say I agree with this imaginary property thing, but downloading someone else's song because you don't feel like paying for it is depriving the RIAA/Label/Artist of income on that song. Until someone changes the laws, it is nothing new that this is against the law, it has been since copyright came to be.

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    47. Re:Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's getting harder for the foreigners to tell the difference.

      It's getting harder for we the people, too.

    48. Re:Best idea by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      At the rate things are going, Mexico may have the better economy soon. And half of them are here anyway...

  2. Black Hats by Bob9113 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "One of the things that the PROTECT-IP act is said to do is make DNS servers censor websites that have been accused of copyright infringement. Drew Wilson ... found 8 ways to circumvent such censorship. ... If anything, the list raises serious doubts that the PROTECT IP Act will even put a dent on copyright infringement online."

    Think of our legislators as black hats, poking holes in our network infrastructure because they are malicious pricks, or getting paid, or both, but the end result is that we learn how to make the network resistant to their attacks. In a way, they perform an important function. Sure, we all prefer white hats, but the black hats are out there, in congress, running major corporations, and even in the White House. Nothing is going to change that, so we must secure our network from the threat they represent.

    1. Re:Black Hats by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are more like script kiddies, playing with buzzwords they do not understand, not even realizing how ridiculous they look. They wield potentially very destructive tools without understanding the consequences.

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    2. Re:Black Hats by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      They are more like script kiddies, playing with buzzwords they do not understand, not even realizing how ridiculous they look. They wield potentially very destructive tools without understanding the consequences.

      Crap... If only I read this before I commented eariler... Sigh... I will try and mod you up in a different thread in compensation.

    3. Re:Black Hats by Genda · · Score: 0

      it’s time for John Q. to wake up and notice the distinctive smell of that something on the barbeque, being his own ass, and that the wealthy and powerful are greedily licking their chops. We have been poorly used by people without shame, conscience or apparent ability to transcend magical thinking. Let them have your network, and soon it’ll look like every other thing you see in America today. It will be just another corporate sewage pipe, and though you’ll be able to choose between chocolate or vanilla, it will still be sewage. When the weight of the parasite exceeds the weight of the host, the host typically dies. The parasite hasn’t the wit to know that it will starve, because all it knows to do is suck. It’s up to us to wake up as a society, and put those that make nothing save suffering, on an stunningly short leash, and maybe just a bit of muzzle time as well, for the general good of the species.

    4. Re:Black Hats by rmstar · · Score: 1

      Sure, we all prefer white hats, but the black hats are out there, in congress, running major corporations, and even in the White House. Nothing is going to change that, so we must secure our network from the threat they represent.

      That is a very defeatist attitude.

      It has been this bad in the past, but it changed. Then it changed back, so it is time to fight again. Just hiding and hoping that if you stick to the ground nothing will happen to you has never helped.

    5. Re:Black Hats by 19061969 · · Score: 1

      Quoth: "They are more like script kiddies, playing with buzzwords they do not understand, not even realizing how ridiculous they look. They wield potentially very destructive tools without understanding the consequences."

      So the US is governed by a 'respectable' version of Anonymous?

      Now I think of it, the whole situation begins to make a lot of sense....

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    6. Re:Black Hats by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      So the US is governed by a 'respectable' version of Anonymous?

      Not really. Sometimes Anonymous' bumbling efforts have a positive outcome.

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  3. first comment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think it can be admitted after all the previous examples of IP protection schemes that this is only going to inconvenience those who actually follow the law. Everyone else will quickly find ways around whatever protection this legislation creates.

    1. Re:first comment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Excuse me? Don't be so quick to tie workarounds to illegal behavior. Even if you never visit a censored web site, you should change your setup to render DNS censorship ineffective. It is important to keep the tools of censorship dull, or we'll see the day when they're used against our freedom!

    2. Re:first comment? by cshark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're already being used against our freedom.
      That's the whole point of the law.

      All it takes under Protect IP is an accusation.

      If you run a website, you can be filtered with little recourse, and be forced to prove your innocence. Might not sound like much, but let me ask you this: how many sites these days use images they found on Google? Thousands, tens of thousands? Every single one of those sites could potentially have a complaint filed, and be labeled as a "pirate" site without the business owner even knowing what happened.

      It's unfair.
      It stifles speech, and it can easily be used by competitors to hurt the free market.

      There's more than just pirated movies here.

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    3. Re:first comment? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      So, next election, use the law to take down the campaign sites of anyone who voted for the law. Best of all, you can get someone in, say, China to make the accusation. The penalty for a fake accusation is perjury, but if the accuser isn't in the USA then they're out of this jurisdiction.

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  4. Missed the easiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Run your own recursive DNS resolver with DNSSEC validation. I recommend Unbound, because it's easy to set up and it runs on Windows and Linux.

    Granted, it is technically still possible to censor your results by intercepting your DNS packets, but if implementations of DNS censorship in other countries are any indication, running your own resolver works nicely.

    1. Re:Missed the easiest by Hatta · · Score: 2

      If PROTECT-IP requires DNS severs in the US to censor domains, wouldn't that apply to your self run DNS server as well?

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    2. Re:Missed the easiest by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 2

      If you cared about following what the PROTECT-IP required, why would you be running your own server in the first place?

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    3. Re:Missed the easiest by Hatta · · Score: 2

      Well presumably there are sanctions for non-compliance in the act.

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    4. Re:Missed the easiest by arbiter1 · · Score: 1

      Well running your own server means most results will be from other dns servers so you will get the censored results one way or another.

    5. Re:Missed the easiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a resolver, not a server. Technically there is no difference, but if you don't make this distinction, then all other resolvers, for example the one in your DSL router, are in violation as well. Those don't censor results either.

      Anyway, you're just accessing publicly available information, and you're not even making that information available to others. If someone makes that a crime, I think it ought to be brought before the supreme court.

      Running your own server gets around the primary use-case for a law which forces DNS servers to censor results: censoring foreign domains. All US-hosted censored domains are gone no matter what you do. Even a foreign resolver won't get you the information, because the domains can be turned off at the source.

    6. Re:Missed the easiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably so, but if you're the only one using your DNS server, who apart from you will know?

    7. Re:Missed the easiest by jhoegl · · Score: 2

      Back in the day we didnt care about DNS anyways... we used IRC and IP addresses.
      Guess what... it still works.

    8. Re:Missed the easiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK should be around here somewhere to tell us how to solve this one...

    9. Re:Missed the easiest by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      You can bet it will involve an endless boring rant though, along with ghastly spelling and lots of bolded items, making it unreadable without severe eye pain.

      And the solution will probably give you malware. (:

    10. Re:Missed the easiest by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      APK should be around here somewhere to tell us how to solve this one...

      När man pratar om trollen, så står de i farstun...

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    11. Re:Missed the easiest by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      There's what's legal, and what's likely to be prosecuted. If you install optware bind on your dd-wrt Buffalo router it's not like men in black will bust down your door. Laws like this are directed at commercial providers and they provide compliance for 98% of the populace.

      Commercial providers have their revenue stream to protect, so they comply with laws like this with minimal oversight. What you do in your living room is pretty much up to you. (with a few exceptions)

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    12. Re:Missed the easiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does that help if the .com, .net, .org domains remain under US jurisdiction? You'll get correctly signed responses sending you to the Department for Homeland Security.

    13. Re:Missed the easiest by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Unless there are several domains hosted on the same server. How is the poor web server supposed to know which domain you wanted if all it gets is the IP? (Yes, you could work around it, but that would be a bit more involved than just entering IPs instead of domain names).

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    14. Re:Missed the easiest by isorox · · Score: 1

      Back in the day we didnt care about DNS anyways... we used IRC and IP addresses.

      Guess what... it still works.

      IPv6 makes it a lot harder to remember ip addresses.

    15. Re:Missed the easiest by AtomicJake · · Score: 1

      Run your own recursive DNS resolver with DNSSEC validation.

      Why would this help as long as the root DNS servers are located in the US?

    16. Re:Missed the easiest by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Most of the root servers are located outside of the USA. The root DNS doesn't do much, it just delegates to the TLDs. The real problem is .com, which is run by Verisign. Any DNSSEC entry in .com has Verisign in the trust chain, and Verisign, as a US company, is subject to US laws and can be required to sign a fake DNS record.

      The real solution is for another country to pass something like Switzerland's banking laws, but applied to DNS (i.e. making serving invalid DNS entries illegal, and explicitly disallowing government interference), and then for a company registered there to take over from Verisign as the guardian of .com.

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    17. Re:Missed the easiest by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Your ISP will simply block your traffic forcing you to use unsafe DNS.

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  5. But what matters is the million geek army... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Legislation, even in a more dictatorial environment like China's is invariably slow and misinformed regarding technology. The delusion of those who think themselves in power can be stated in one sentence, "We think the internet is controllable."

    And it is, sometimes, for a while.

    More so in China where fewer wish to rock the boat (for the moment), but censorship is a complete fail in countries like the USA and Russia or the former Eastern Bloc countries. Too many unhappy, unemployed, poor engineers. Articles like this one point out just how futile and absurd such efforts are.

    Information may not want to be free, but *people* sure are nosy bastards. You can bet they'll work around anything throw in their path, even if means going back to exchanging CDs, tapes or paper.

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    1. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by nurb432 · · Score: 3

      "We think the internet is controllable."

      For the average Joe, which are most of the 'consumers', yes it is.

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    2. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In the US censorship is illegal. But the government breaks the law to turn everyone into lawbeakers. That's what makes China better than US. Their brand of evil is a little less hypocritical.

    3. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't seen a tapedeck built into a computer in a long time, and CD/DVD is about to follow floppy.

      My point is just 'look ahead'. Five, ten years. These bastard don't mind if it'll take five or ten to have a few nuisance technologies fade to obscurity. We need to figure out what to do about lockdown in digital, or it's just a matter of time.

    4. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The average Joe should've never been allowed on the internet in the first place.

    5. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by cjb658 · · Score: 1

      "We think the internet is controllable."

      For the average Joe, which are most of the 'consumers', yes it is.

      Yeah, but they have friends. I used to get asked about how to use Kazaa, Limewire, Bittorrent, etc all the time. Now that they've moved on to iTunes and Netflix, the requests are down considerably.

      It will be interesting to see how the community responds to this.

    6. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      there will always be peripheral devices. even when it's all plugged into our brains, we'll occasionally want a hard copy.

      so when there's peripherals, there'll be mass storage devices.

      they hold a bit more than a CD.

    7. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone Anthropomorphizing Abstracts Are Asshats, Added An Alliterating Adult.

    8. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by jhoegl · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the typical politics of the USA.
      We have smoke and mirror politics. They say they are doing something, and then cripple it at the end.
      Holy shit, just look at the Ground 0 workmans comp that was passed last year. Took them 9 years to pass it, Jon Stewart to raise awareness and they passed it, except they added a few fuck yous in there... Mainly, not paying for cancer treatment. The #1 thing most Ground 0 workers have. Statistically this is impossible unless there was a specific event all of them can be related to, yet it cant be "proven" that working at ground 0 was the cause of the cancer.

    9. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh c'mon. We don't think you're that bad.

    10. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by tombeard · · Score: 1

      Joe won't even know as long as he can get facebook, twitter, iTunes, and porn.

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    11. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Until someone more knowledgeable helps them out, that is.

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    12. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US censorship is illegal.

      Since when?

    13. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Since the First Amendment was passed.

    14. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by Solensean · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they have friends. I used to get asked about how to use Kazaa, Limewire, Bittorrent, etc all the time. Now that they've moved on to iTunes and Netflix, the requests are down considerably.

      It will be interesting to see how the community responds to this.

      Isn't that move a function of the age of your acquaintances instead of how the market evolved? I saw the same thing among my relatives, but it's mostly because they either grew up and stopped downloading music/porn/etc (now that they can buy it), or because the people I now frequent due to my work are mostly non-technical types.

    15. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by Defenestrar · · Score: 1

      In which case the internet would never have developed much past an academic novelty and defense utility for which you'd never be able to afford reasonable bandwidth to your home.

      Among other reasons, I for one appreciate that the average Joe can learn a little something new, and the quality of education goes way up for those who previously lacked access. There's a decent chance we'll be able to bootstrap the education on a continent or two not to mention the impact to lower access areas within the US (and other 1st tier countries).

      Oh, and you'd still be paying through the nose for long distance phone calls (the only thing that competes these days with yester-year's long distance costs are the default rates in high end hotels).

    16. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Then why are you at -1, fucktard? Are you arguing that Congress is allowed to pass laws that abridge the freedom of speech?

    17. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If there is a law passed by congress that abridges the freedom of speech, it violates the 1st Amendment to the Supreme Law of the Land, and is thus illegal. Rather than continuing to insult me, if I'm wrong, you could point out and facts or logic that's incorect o flawed. The fact that you insult repeatedly instead indicates that you think I'm correct but don't like the implecations, so you deny the truth because your pathetic little brain is unable to hold your incorrect world view and The Truth at the same time.

    18. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If there is a law passed by congress that abridges the freedom of speech, it violates the 1st Amendment to the Supreme Law of the Land, and is thus illegal. Rather than continuing to insult me, if I'm wrong, you could point out and facts or logic that's incorrect or flawed. The fact that you insult repeatedly instead indicates that you think I'm correct but don't like the implications, so you deny the truth because your pathetic little brain is unable to hold your incorrect world view and The Truth at the same time.

    19. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      "Congress shall make no law[...] abridging the freedom of speech,"

      Again, the unquoted "you didn't look it up" source agrees with me and not you. You hit I'm wrong repeatedly, but don't ever actually point to any alleged error. Why? Oh, because I'm right and you are wrong.

    20. Re:But what matters is the million geek army... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lulz have now blossomed into a ROFLcopter.

      If you had actually bothered to "look it up", you'd discover that Congress absolutely has Constitutional authority to make laws abridging the freedom of speech, and has been doing so for about 200 years.

      You, sir, are a fucking moron, and an argumentative one at that.

      Love, Legal Troll

  6. aUStralia? by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 1

    When did we move down south and become the new aUStralia?

  7. Non-US = silly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I incorrect when I say that the root DNS servers are controlled by the US and all other servers are programmed to follow them?
    Switching to a non-US DNS server would be silly since the other server only mirrors the root server.
    What I think we need is a decentralized DNS equivalent.

    1. Re:Non-US = silly. by cynyr · · Score: 2

      there are a few root DNS servers located outside the US. The problem would be that the root servers would then be out of sink with each other. Not sure that it matters, maybe there is a way to keep a record around, but not send it to anything other than a root server.

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    2. Re:Non-US = silly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is exactly what the people who made the internet are saying, and they are one of many groups of knowledgeable experts who wrote to the politicians to warn them about it. The integrity of the DNS will be broken because other countries will stop trusting the US-censored root server, thus giving us many small internets instead of a consistent big one. Of course, the MPAA's response to their concerns was "deal with it", which is also the politicians' response because they work for them.

    3. Re:Non-US = silly. by bbn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Am I incorrect when I say that the root DNS servers are controlled by the US and all other servers are programmed to follow them?

      The DNS system is a tree like hierarchy. The root servers only have the IP addresses of the next level, which is the .com, .org, .net and all the .[country code] (.uk, .dk, .se, etc).

      It would not be possible to block illegalsite.dk using the root servers. You need the .dk servers to do that. The root servers could take the whole of .dk offline but that would be a major international crisis. Nobody wants that.

      Now it is just as easy to get a court order in Denmark to block anything on a .dk domain. It is probably easier. But apparently the american lawyers are lazy and want to use the USA courts.

      One can wonder however how it was that thepiratebay.org got blocked in Denmark. But not in the USA where they could simply turn off the domain since it is a .org.

    4. Re:Non-US = silly. by inglorion_on_the_net · · Score: 1

      Am I incorrect when I say that the root DNS servers are controlled by the US and all other servers are programmed to follow them?
      Switching to a non-US DNS server would be silly since the other server only mirrors the root server.
      What I think we need is a decentralized DNS equivalent.

      There used to be several alternative DNS roots. One of the more notable ones was Open Root Server Network, which was created as a compatible alternative to ICANN's roots because of concerns about ICANN ultimately being controlled by the US government. Several ISPs actually used to use ORSN's services, but ORSN shut down in 2008.

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  8. What we have hear is a failure to communicate... by NoExQQ · · Score: 1

    How many times in any given week do I have to troubleshoot a network where the end user says "My Internet is down!" and it's a DNS related issue? Bottom line is that while the web is celebrating it's 20 year anniversary, we have an overwhelming population who don't understand how it works. It's that same population who has learned the absolute basics of downloading copyrighted music and movies for free. Search software brings up lists to download, installed software plays it. Idiot proof. So while we may read about 8 ways to bypass, I question how many people or incapable of using these ways and, if this DNS block won't actually reduce the usage substantially.

  9. Europe has them too by ripdajacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In Denmark all the ISPs block The Pirate Bay. I've tried to get around it, turns out it's implemented using DNS, which a retarded chimpanse could circumvent.

    The problem is it sounds good on paper. Blocking access to the sites like that gets most of the n00b people away to alternatives, but if you have any technical skill you can get around it. The alternative is some form of deep packet inspection, and no ISP wants that.

    I can't see how the blocking makes any sense. It is not impacting piracy whatsoever. Every blocked site has alternatives, and they too will need to be blocked. At some point they will be, but only to give birth to even more alternatives. One buys an internet connection, and that should come without restrictions. It's like selling a car and trying to prevent the driver visiting some foobar number of places.

    1. Re:Europe has them too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can't see how the [DNS-only] blocking makes any sense.

      It makes perfect sense, if the established powers pushing for blocking aren't stupid, and if all vested interests involved have been bribing the regulatory authorities appropriately.

      Stupid people go for foolproof, 100% solutions, because they're stupid enough to think that this is practical (cost-effective) and possible. DNS blocking, on the other hand, is enough to keep the average consumer, and something like a standard deviation or so from the mean, from surfing the Pirate Bay; the fraction of society that DNS blocking doesn't stop is going to find a way around any blocking system that isn't prohibitively expensive, even if they do it just for the lulz or Because They Can. The media-IP interests keep up a show of legal force against the remaining file-sharers, not so much to catch and punish them as to deter the rest of the population from joining them. This is tolerable to the media interests and the ISPs, because DNS blocking requires very little effort on their part.

      The ISPs, like you say, really don't want to have to invest in deep-packet inspection, so they'll bribe the governing authorities just like the IP interests do, but they'll bribe them to keep a stalemate of limited blocking strategies (i.e. DNS blocking) balanced by limited continued file-sharing, rather than going for some sort of nuclear option that would cost the ISPs effort and money.

      The real day of wrath is going to come when ISPs become so integrated with IP interests that deep packet inspection becomes productive and enticing for them. That will be the day when non-backdoored cryptography becomes illegal, verified online identities become mandatory, and "they" really do log and check everything you do, and it won't even be because of your least favorite 1960's era three-letter agency: the blame for this will lie squarely at the feet of private enterprise, and government will only be one of their tools.

    2. Re:Europe has them too by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      The alternative is some form of deep packet inspection, and no ISP wants that.

      Shouldn't it be as easy as dropping all packets where the source or destination IP is of the PirateBay server? I doubt that it is on shared hosting or dynamic IP. Should take just a slight modification of the routing table.

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    3. Re:Europe has them too by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 1

      Sounds right. Good post.

    4. Re:Europe has them too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever wonder if, perhaps, technology geeks and companies encourage politicians to use easily circumventable tools? It's just throwing them a bone and not really stopping anything.

    5. Re:Europe has them too by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Finally somebody hit on what is really going on. The gooberment is trying their hand at forcing ISP's to install DPI technology. Everybody is looking at the left hand waving around in the air. It is the right hand that gets shoved up the...

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  10. Inherent Flaw by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 2

    It doesn't matter what laws they have in place or the methods they use. We'll simply find ways around it. It's really quite silly, they're attempting to hold onto a system that's morally flawed and very nearly outdated by fighting a large number of talented tech saavy people on the internet. They'd have better luck trying to call the internet police on the trolls at 4chan.

  11. does anybody think that laws prevent all crimes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Complete prevention is not the point, even complete prosecution isn't the point. Anybody can get away with speeding, or breaking in a locked door, or any number of crimes if the circumstances are right.

    The goal is sufficient deterrence, or sometimes just evidence that you're engaging in behavior you know to be complicit in a crime.

    It lets them have a way to act when it comes up.

  12. 9th way by plover · · Score: 2

    Don't use domain names. The abstraction may be convenient, it may be useful, but it isn't strictly necessary. The IP address works just fine.

    http://216.34.181.45/ gets you to Slashdot with no DNS involvement.

    Of course, the question is now around that missing abstraction. Do you trust me? Is that really Slashdot's address? Is it a rick-roll, a goatse, or a virus-laden fake? What most people don't consider is just how much they trust their DNS providers, but they do so with no authentication on that service. Many of the ways in the article are the ways that malware uses to subvert your relationship to your real DNS server.

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    1. Re:9th way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      goatse don't click!

      A little reverse name lookup shows that you're lying.

      You're probably hooked up to a goatse name resolver, where every third resolution returns your gaping buddy, just to remind you of why you love the Internet.

    2. Re:9th way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Kinda breaks HTTPS somewhat.. Or at the least, makes it *very* fragile. (Since we are talking about trust)

    3. Re:9th way by bbn · · Score: 0

      http://216.34.181.45/ [216.34.181.45] gets you to Slashdot with no DNS involvement.

      Sorry, no. It would but slashdot does a redirect to the domain name. If slashdot.org were in fact blocked you would be viewing a page telling you to go directly to jail.


      baldur@pkunk:~$ curl -v http://216.34.181.45/
      * About to connect() to 216.34.181.45 port 80 (#0)
      * Trying 216.34.181.45... connected
      * Connected to 216.34.181.45 (216.34.181.45) port 80 (#0)
      > GET / HTTP/1.1
      > User-Agent: curl/7.21.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.21.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8o zlib/1.2.3.4 libidn/1.18
      > Host: 216.34.181.45
      > Accept: */*
      >
      < HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
      < Server: Apache/1.3.42 (Unix) mod_perl/1.31
      < Location: http://slashdot.org/
      < Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
      < Content-Length: 297
      < Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:45:09 GMT
      < X-Varnish: 743370790 743370272
      < Age: 37
      < Connection: keep-alive

    4. Re:9th way by chill · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that getting rid of DNS would mean named-based shared-hosting would cease to work. That would certainly increase IPv6 adoption since if every name-based host all of a sudden needed a unique IP address, they'd be totally depleted by sometime before I finish typing this message.

      Of course, good luck getting people to remember http://20014860800c6a/ for Google.

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    5. Re:9th way by chill · · Score: 1

      Okay, Slashdot really botched that IPv6 address...

      ht tp://2001:4860:800c::6a

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    6. Re:9th way by SockPuppetOfTheWeek · · Score: 2

      Don't use domain names. The abstraction may be convenient, it may be useful, but it isn't strictly necessary. The IP address works just fine.

      ...unless, of course, the server serves as host to more than one domain, and uses the domain name to decide which website to give you.

    7. Re:9th way by Rikiji7 · · Score: 2

      Actually you just have to craft the http request accordingly:

      echo -e "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: slashdot.org\r\n\r\n" | nc 216.34.181.45 80
      HTTP/1.1 200 OK
      Server: Apache/1.3.42 (Unix) mod_perl/1.31
      SLASH_LOG_DATA: shtml
      X-Powered-By: Slash 2.00500120110805
      X-Bender: You can trust anything!
      X-XRDS-Location: http://slashdot.org/slashdot.xrds
      Cache-Control: no-cache
      Pragma: no-cache
      Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
      Content-Length: 86840
      Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 00:13:38 GMT
      X-Varnish: 743390134 743389563
      Age: 60
      Connection: keep-alive

      var pageload = { ...

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    8. Re:9th way by bbn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And how do you do that with a browser?

      Interesting, another site, which happens to be blocked by DNS in my country, is also doing this rather stupid redirect:


      baldur@pkunk:~$ host thepiratebay.org 8.8.8.8
      thepiratebay.org has address 194.71.107.15

      baldur@pkunk:~$ curl -v http://194.71.107.15/ ...
      < HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
      < Location: http://thepiratebay.org/

      Now try it with the "official" DNS server:

      baldur@pkunk:~$ host thepiratebay.org 212.10.10.4
      thepiratebay.org has address 212.10.10.15

      This is what the site looks like if you do not override the DNS server:

      http://212.10.10.15/#Engelsk

      Text in english:

      The National High Tech Crime Center of the Danish National Police, who assist in investigations into crime on the internet, has informed Telia Stofa, that the internet page which your browser has tried to get in contact with may contain material which could be regarded as child pornography.

      On recommandation of The National High Tech Crime Center of the Danish National Police Telia Stofa has blocked the access to the internet page. If you have any objections against the internet page being blocked, please contact Telia Stofa.

      The Danish Anti-Distribution Filter covering pictures and movies showing sexual abuse of children is part of a European police co-operation (CIRCAMP) for the prevention of commercial and sexual exploitation of children.

      According to Section 235 of the Danish Criminal Code it is a criminal offence to disseminate, possess or for a payment or through the internet to become acquainted with child pornography. The maximum penalty can in certain cases be imprisonment for up to 6 years.

      Information on criminal conduct on the internet may be passed on to the National High Tech Crime Center of the Danish National Police.

      Are you in need of help or guidance in relation to child pornography, please visit www.brydcirklen.dk.

      In case you are wondering what The Pirate Bay has to do with child pornography, nothing. It was just easier to get this law into place using the "protect the children" argument. As soon we had this censorship system into place it got used for everything else too. You can expect the same with your new system in the US.

    9. Re:9th way by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      Or you have an SSL cert keyed off the domain name.

    10. Re:9th way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also, name based Virtual Hosting is totally impossible

    11. Re:9th way by webmistressrachel · · Score: 0

      Even after removing the space and trying it as is, and after removing one of those double colons and trying again, it still doesn't work. :(

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    12. Re:9th way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The webserver has no clue what domain you're at (except in the rare case the same server is running a DNS server, and that DNS server sends the request to the webserver and both have been patched to handle that, which, AFAIK, has never happened). What it does know is the HOST or Request-URI as provided by the browser.

      That means little more than a bit of request header hacking and you're all set to use IPs to get to a virtual domain. Virtually nobody does that now, but people could if they wanted to.

    13. Re:9th way by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      Not sure where GP's 800c::6a leads to, but try http://2001:4860:8006::6a instead. If that doesn't work, you may not have an IPv6 route to google's IPv6 service. See also http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/ and http://www.ipv6tools.org/

    14. Re:9th way by bbn · · Score: 1

      You have to write it as http://[2001:4860:8006::6a]

      They made a RFC about this new syntax for IPv6 literals: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2732.txt

      The problem is without the [] you would need to count :'s to find the optional port part of the URL.

    15. Re:9th way by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Well, if you don't trust your internet provider, you're mostly lost anyway. After all, they are able to route your traffic any way they want. They can do man-in-the-middle attacks on any non-encrypted traffic. And if they collude with a certification authority your browser trusts (any of them!) or even run one themselves, they can even MITM your encrypted https/tls traffic. One thing you could still use is a VPN. But of course that just moves the point of trust to the VPN provider.

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    16. Re:9th way by Sabriel · · Score: 1

      Ah, excellent. Thankyou!

    17. Re:9th way by webmistressrachel · · Score: 0

      Phew. That works. So Virgin Media (UK) does support it. I was worried there.

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    18. Re:9th way by bbn · · Score: 1

      Phew. That works. So Virgin Media (UK) does support it. I was worried there.

      You mean they support IPv6? No unless they are one of the few good ISPs they probably don't. But any recent Windows machine has automatic IPv6 tunneling through a mechanism named Teredo. That is most likely what gives you access to the IPv6 network.

      Access through automatic tunneling is considered low quality access though.

    19. Re:9th way by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      may contain material which could be regarded as child pornography.

      Wow, that's LAME! :D

      I mean... geeeeeeesh, do I find it lame or what that a law-enforcement agency that the citizenry is supposed to trust and honor has to resort to blatant lies to get their will through? Not to mention that I find it utterly terrifying that the people with the power actually do this kind of stuff.. o_o

    20. Re:9th way by moonbender · · Score: 1

      I guess there ought to be a way to tell a browser to connect to an IP but also send a host header. Maybe http://thepiratebay.org$94.71.107.15/whatever?

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    21. Re:9th way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you live in the UAE -

      http://imgur.com/ltv4a

    22. Re:9th way by malignant_minded · · Score: 1

      Also what about the links in the website that using the domain name rather than the IP. An example of a website not using a redirect:
      host google.com
      google.com has address 74.125.93.103
      google.com has address 74.125.93.105
      google.com has address 74.125.93.104
      google.com has address 74.125.93.147
      google.com has address 74.125.93.99
      google.com has address 74.125.93.106

      Now punch 74.125.93.103 and click on the images link and were do we end up http://www.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=wi

      which is why hosts file is suggested

  13. Way 9 by Haedrian · · Score: 1

    Become very rich, bribe enough politicians with more money than the RIAA/MPAA offers, get them to change the laws.

    1. Re:Way 9 by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      No single person would have to 'become' very rich.

      If only a million people would put money toward a fund that would make downloading movies and TV shows completely legal - even if its source is without a doubt questionable, for example, matching that of, say, a Netflix subscription, then....
      $10/month * 1,000,000 people = $10,000,000/month.
      $10,000,000/month * 12 months/year = $120,000,000/year.
      $120,000,000/year * 4 years/term = $480,000,000/term.

      I can bet you that the MPAA is not spending half a billion dollars on politicians every term. And Netflix's own numbers who far, far more than 1,000,000 subscribers.

      There are, however, three flaws in the above:
      1. We're assuming that politicians really are that easily, and quite literally, bought. I.e. if 'we' really were to put that half a billion toward the politicians, that the law would magically change.
      2. 'we' are nowhere near organized enough to actually enable such a fund.
      3. 'we' are cheap. Oddly enough we'll pay for Netflix because of its ease of use and all that (despite crappy selection - see older comment in my comment history), but once we make the connection that we'd be putting up a fund to make free what is already free (and only has a very slim chance of landing you in trouble), we suddenly don't particularly feel like paying anymore.

    2. Re:Way 9 by westlake · · Score: 1

      Become very rich, bribe enough politicians with more money than the RIAA/MPAA offers, get them to change the laws.

      The Pixar feature is a $200 million dollar production that will gross $1 billion dollars in its first run theatrical release. Tell me how you persuade the voter in California that pumping that much money into the state economy is a bad thing.

    3. Re:Way 9 by adri · · Score: 1

      Find out how much of that money ends up in the state economy; find out how much is siphoned off elsewhere; find out how much gets avoided by tax dodges. Then tell the voter in California how much money could be being pumped into the economy if companies were paying company tax.

  14. command prompt magically bypasses everything! by ooohry · · Score: 1

    6. Using Command Prompt Quick Explanation: In Windows at least, one can simply open up command prompt (explained in tutorial) and simply type in “ping [insert domain name here]” and obtain a server IP address for later use. nope! not really!

    1. Re:command prompt magically bypasses everything! by bky1701 · · Score: 1

      It works if you do it before they take down the domain, at least for a while.

    2. Re:command prompt magically bypasses everything! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      google cache would persist awhile

    3. Re:command prompt magically bypasses everything! by ooohry · · Score: 1

      so it would work until they blocked it? :p nslookup site.com 1.2.3.4 where 1.2.3.4 is some foreign dns server and we'll talk, cmd.exe

  15. Re:does anybody think that laws prevent all crimes by 0123456 · · Score: 2

    The goal is sufficient deterrence, or sometimes just evidence that you're engaging in behavior you know to be complicit in a crime.

    Which it will completely fail to do. The pirate sites can get non-US domains or the people accessing them can easily route around the problem at their end.

    It's just more knee-jerk bullcrap from technologically illiterate politicians which harms fundamental Internet infrastructure while it can't possibly achieve what they say they want to achieve. On the plus side, maybe it will help the push toward eliminating DNS in favor of a decentralised alternative which can't be censored.

  16. Spin and make-believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I second that. Politicians live in a world of spin and make-believe -- the very antithesis to engineering.

  17. User Verb by cgenman · · Score: 1

    The question ultimately is "What does the user DO to bypass these measures." In any of these cases, the user downloads and runs a small script, once. This makes getting illicit material a 2-step process, up from a 1 step one. The technical details of the script are so obvious that any coder could write it. That's better, but still a barrier so small you could trip over it. The past has proven that installing BitTorrent, Kazaa, or another single piece of software is no real barrier to anyone.

    By comparison, Adobe's Creative Suite is pirated all of the time, but it is rather difficult to do so. You have to register with your e-mail address, and download a demo. You need to run a keygen. You have to modify your hosts files. You have to setup custom firewalls. Some software has to be allowed to connect to some addresses and not others. It's an actual preventative measure that requires constant vigilance from the end-user, and is quite the pain to attempt to defeat.

    I'm all for technological measures to prevent casual piracy. But don't sacrifice infrastructure stability for a measure that has little chance of being effective. I'm sure we can come up with something better.

    1. Re:User Verb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Non-US-based) browser vendors could decide to ship such tools along with the browser. (And US-based ones could move.) And then we aren't even talking about the file sharing applications yet.

    2. Re:User Verb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, to download content illegally you run a script provided by the trustworthy pirates? The same ones that put malware into warez software? Nice, they can compromise your machine more easily than even putting together a "codec pack" now. "Run this script to get the free movies" and your machine is now a bot. Sweet!

    3. Re:User Verb by CelticWhisper · · Score: 1

      The "reputable" pirate groups don't do that because the instant they do, they lose scene cred and basically become pariahs. If you're getting your releases from a well-known group, you can pretty well rest assured that you're getting a clean release because these groups do have a reputation to protect (in spite of being considered "disreputable" by the media companies whose stuff they're releasing).

      It makes sense to be leery of hitherto-unknown ripping groups because they're not yet established and so you have no way of knowing if the releases are infected or not but a lot of the time they're groups who want to get big and so will know better than to sabotage their own chances of fame.

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  18. "Dent" in infringement? by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If anything, the list raises serious doubts that the PROTECT IP Act will even put a dent on copyright infringement online"

    Let's be honest here... I doubt even the asshats who wrote the legislation thought it would do that. At best its real purpose is to create a mechanism the government can use to shut down websites.
    =Smidge=

    1. Re:"Dent" in infringement? by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      "If anything, the list raises serious doubts that the PROTECT IP Act will even put a dent on copyright infringement online"

      Let's be honest here... I doubt even the asshats who wrote the legislation thought it would do that. At best its real purpose is to create a mechanism the government can use to shut down websites. =Smidge=

      DHS/ICE seems to be doing fine even without PROTECT-IP

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  19. Is circumvention a crime? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Since you are in effect accessing sites declared "illegal for a US citizen to view", is the very act of trying to get around the DNS block considered 'intent' and grounds for search/seizures looking for evidence of downloaded files or just outright criminal charges from the act itself?

    Don't laugh. its possible..

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    1. Re:Is circumvention a crime? by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      There is nothing that says these web sites are "illegal for a US citizen to view". The websites were operating using a US controlled TLD, and were found to be promoting and facilitating actions voted illegal in the US. There is nothing illegal about going to these websites, only partaking in the actions that got their domain name rescinded. Similarly, there will be nothing illegal about going to these websites when they re-register against a foreign TLD.

    2. Re:Is circumvention a crime? by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      If they make any claims of websites being illegal vs. some content being in violation of copyright law they are enacting unlawful censorship. It will be thrown out by the judiciary so fast we'll forget it was ever a problem.

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    3. Re:Is circumvention a crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this law doesn't look like it makes it illegal to view a site, just illegal to tell people where it is. However, visiting the site could be considered circumventing a form of DRM and thus be a DMCA violation, regardless of whether you download anything.

  20. They don't have to make it that good... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 2

    If you can prevent most people from doing it, you can then start issuing insane prison sentences/fines on those who do. Isolate and punish. No one is going to give jail time or excessive fines...(right? please?)...to the 14 year old who stumbled on Napster, but the computer geek who "bypasses DNS" using a dangerous hacker operating system called "linux": http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090414/1837144515.shtml

    In short, first you make sure only a tiny minority can sympathize with them, follow it up with character attacks, and BAMN: you can start sentencing people to a few decades in prison for a victim-less crime committed in their late teens.

    Sure I'm being more than a little hyperbolic here, but the point is that the more steps you go to to bypass this sort of thing, the more you start to look like an unsympathetic, evil hacker to the nice gentlepersons on the jury...don't dismiss the value of making it harder for the average person to the censorship lobby's efforts.

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    1. Re:They don't have to make it that good... by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand. There is nothing here to bypass, as there is nothing blocking access to the site. The website was found to be promoting illegal activities, so their US controlled domain name was revoked. There is nothing preventing you from accessing it by the IP address directly. There is nothing preventing you from accessing it from an alternate domain name. Should they, for instance, re-register using a .co.uk TLD, it would now be up to the British government to decide whether or not they wanted to revoke this new domain name.

    2. Re:They don't have to make it that good... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      s/found/accused of being/g

      Remember, the burden of proof is on the owner, and you can bet it won't be cheap, easy, for fast. Additionally, some iterations of PROTECT-IP include(d?) measures requiring the interception and blocking of non-US roots.

      Don't confuse kangaroo courts for courts of law.

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    3. Re:They don't have to make it that good... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      *blocked domains from non-US roots. Bleh, typo (braino?)

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  21. Yes, of course it's illegal. Hope they don't catch you.

  22. Good thing I didn't RTFA.

    Also, I use AdBlock Plus.

    Who cares... it's an interesting topic. I clicked to read the comments. I left a few. Kindly piss off with your observations.

  23. The ninth way... by Freddybear · · Score: 4, Informative

    They haven't voted it in yet. It's on hold in the Senate.
    Write your congresscritters (one rep, two senators). Include Senator Wyden, who placed the hold on it. Good old fashioned snail-mail. They pay more attention to that than to emails or phone calls. In your own words, tell them why it's a bad law and should not be passed. Be polite. Then tell them that you'll be paying special attention to their votes on the bill. Follow through on that - write another letter if and when they vote.

    1. Re:The ninth way... by ironjaw33 · · Score: 2

      They haven't voted it in yet. It's on hold in the Senate. Write your congresscritters (one rep, two senators). Include Senator Wyden, who placed the hold on it. Good old fashioned snail-mail. They pay more attention to that than to emails or phone calls. In your own words, tell them why it's a bad law and should not be passed. Be polite. Then tell them that you'll be paying special attention to their votes on the bill. Follow through on that - write another letter if and when they vote.

      I've done this a few times, even for my state representatives but to no avail. The only thing that happens is that I get auto-added to their re-election campaign mailing lists. I've come to the conclusion that the only thing these people listen to is money.

    2. Re:The ninth way... by Freddybear · · Score: 2

      This is slashdot. We bury websites with traffic without even trying hard. Surely we can get up enough letters to Congress to get noticed.

    3. Re:The ninth way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a bad law because I like downloading stuff and don't like having to pay for it and the people that make me pay for it are leeches who need a new business model that gives away creative content for free.

    4. Re:The ninth way... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot. We bury websites with traffic without even trying hard. Surely we can get up enough letters to Congress to get noticed.

      Do you really think a significant number of Slashdotters are going to type up (or write) a letter, put it in an envelope, find a stamp, and mail it? Here's how it would probably go...

      1. Slashdotter writes a letter in Word/Pages/OpenOffice/AbiWord.
      2. Slashdotter looks for envelope and stamps. No go. His parents might have some, but it's such a pain climbing all those stairs...
      3. Slashdotter says "this problem was solved 20 years ago by implementing email-to-mail gateways". Slashdotter spends the next two days looking for such a gateway that serves the Washington D.C. area.
      4. Slashdotter finds a useable gateway, but after running nmap on said server comes to realize it's using a proprietary commercial product running on a Windows box.
      5. Slashdotter decides the world needs a email-to-mail gateway licensed under the GPL v3 (note that the Slashdotter didn't search for existing products that meet this criteria - he wants to learn how this all works).
      6. Slashdotter spends the next twelve months writing and testing his new email-to-mail gateway program, with time off only for a few really important WoW campaigns.
      7. Slashdotter announces his new piece of software, pushes his letter through... and realizes he didn't think about the last-mile postage issue.
      8. Slashdotter finally trudges upstairs and asks mom for an envelope and stamps.
      9. Slashdotter asks his mom to please mail this important letter for him.
      10. Slashdotter's mother glances at the address, then puts the envelope in her purse intending to mail it the next day - but she's busy and she forgets.
      11. A few days later, Slashdotter's mother can't find a notepad anywhere while she's trying to put together a grocery list.
      12. Fortuitously, Slashdotter's mother finds an envelope in the bottom of her purse!
      13. Slashdotter's mother uses said envelope to write down her grocery list, and takes it shopping.
      14. Coincidentally, Slashdotter's senator is doing a public meet-and-greet at the grocery store.
      15. Slashdotter's mother sees the senator and immediately remembers the letter.
      16. Slashdotter's mother hands the envelope to the senator and says "my son wanted me to get this to you".
      17. Slashdotter's mother walks away happy.
      18. Slashdotter's senator looks at her aide and asks "why did that crazy old lady give me her grocery list?"

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    5. Re:The ninth way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good old fashioned snail-mail. They pay more attention to that than to emails or phone calls

      Does anyone know if this is still the case? The last I heard, all physical mail sent to Congress was destroyed due to the anthrax scare.

      Captcha: aspirin. Good for anthrax?

    6. Re:The ninth way... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot, where people complain bitterly if things aren't handed to them, for free, on the Internet, in a format they prefer.

      Write a letter? Politely? Are you serious?

    7. Re:The ninth way... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Also, if Slashdotters started writing to the congress, the complaints would be buried between letters saying "First Letter" or "In Soviet Russia, bad laws pass you."

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    8. Re:The ninth way... by moonbender · · Score: 1

      That sure is a lot of typing for a mediocre joke.

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    9. Re:The ninth way... by Insightfill · · Score: 1

      They pay more attention to that (postal mail) than to emails or phone calls.

      It's admirable, worth a shot, and I'll do it, but in the past some of the (R)s have been quoted as stating that they'd go against the wishes of their constituents if the party wanted something. I believe one was Chuck Grassley (R- Iowa).

    10. Re:The ninth way... by Freddybear · · Score: 1

      Not one of them has the courage to defy their constituents if they truly believe that votes in the next election are at stake. A big part of the problem in Washington is that Congresscritters rely on being able to evade responsibility. We saw that on both sides in the debt ceiling "debate". We have to take that away from them.

    11. Re:The ninth way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for the sound advice. I believe it is possible to explain to our legislators that they are being enlisted to support an industry saddled with a failed business plan of its own making.

      As far back as 1976, Stewart Brand was predicting that digitization would mean the end of Record Stores(!) That means the industry had more than 2 decades to prepare, but were seemingly overcome by inertia. As I have said elsewhere, imagine that, instead of going to court and shutting Napster down, someone had purchased it instead, and monetized it. Instead they waited for Apple to come along and eat their lunch.

      Laziness, ignorance and arrogance should not be the criteria upon which Congress rewards business.

  24. Innocent until proven guilty? by gearloos · · Score: 2

    I guess, in the USA at least, Innocent until proven guilty no longer applies. If Sony, the MPAA, RIAA, and the ass hats they happen to be sucking off this week decide your server might be guilty, Your business is basically toast. What, you don't have reserves to deal with a 6 month outage while you pay a bajillion in legal fees to prove your right? Too Frking bad. This is the new media world after all. They make the rules. Law and constitutionality have NOTHING to do with any of this.

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    1. Re:Innocent until proven guilty? by calmofthestorm · · Score: 2

      Don't worry citizen, I'm sure the entertainment industry would never use laws like this to get rid of sites that compete for users time like user generated content. That would be unethical.

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    2. Re:Innocent until proven guilty? by Torodung · · Score: 2

      Some clever bastard thinks that if you tear gas the national mall, you are not technically silencing the guy at the end of the reflecting pool that is speaking. Just imagine old alabaster Abe Lincoln presiding over that sort of scene.

      This is plain thuggery.

  25. What about root server consistency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are the root servers affected by this? Since they are consistent worldwide, does this mean us residents can run their own DNS servers, reference the root servers, and get around the censorship? Are the root servers going to go away and be replaced with a separate set of root servers in each country?

    If doctoring the DNS servers and search engines fails to please the copyright holders, what's to stop the copyright holders from having a new law passed which from blocking access to offending sites at the IP address level in the consumer ISP routing infrastructure.

  26. Copyright isn't censorship... by brit74 · · Score: 1

    If you're going to argue that copyright is censorship, then you have to also argue that laws against illegally selling copyrighted material is also censorship. Afterall, if "You can't give away free copies of other people's work without their permission" is censorship, then I don't see how "You can't sell other people's work without their permission" isn't also censorship. In other words, you're going to have to take the position that Walmart and Amazon.com should be able to print up all the copies of books, movies, software, and music that they want, and pay no money to anyone.

    Honestly, all the "censorship" talk about copyright makes me imagine a spamlord complaining that he's being censored because he can't get his mass mailings out to everybody.

    1. Re:Copyright isn't censorship... by westlake · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Honestly, all the "censorship" talk about copyright makes me imagine a spamlord complaining that he's being censored because he can't get his mass mailings out to everybody.

      "But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought."
      --- George Orwell (1984)

    2. Re:Copyright isn't censorship... by foniksonik · · Score: 2

      If the ONLY content on a particular website is copyrighted works being given away (distributed) without license and you can prove that the website/domain name will never ever ever be used for anything else, then you can claim that blocking said website/domain is not equal to censorship. Otherwise you should send the owner notice of violation and take them to court.

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    3. Re:Copyright isn't censorship... by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      In other words, you're going to have to take the position that Walmart and Amazon.com should be able to print up all the copies of books, movies, software, and music that they want, and pay no money to anyone.

      Yet Amazon doesn't print up public domain works, instead selling them for the high prices set by parasitic publishers.

    4. Re:Copyright isn't censorship... by drooling-dog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I didn't read any of this as an attempt to equate copyright enforcement with censorship. The problem is that the government will have the authority and the means to shut down entire websites simply because someone complains that a copyright has been enfringed. That is, there is no requirement (or even mechanism) for judicial review before an entire site is muzzled. That opens the door to Censorship with a capital-C.

    5. Re:Copyright isn't censorship... by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      Is copyright a limit on the things I can say, even if what I'm saying is just repeating what someone else has said? If yes, then copyright is censorship. It's really that simple. In fact, copyright started as a method of censorship in medieval Europe before being codified into law and turned into what it is today.

      The question is not whether copyright is censorship, because it is. The question is, how much of this censorship is adequate and reasonable to support and enhance creativity, and at what point does the censorship become harmful to the public.

      70 years after death is stupidly long, and defeats the purpose of enriching the public domain for the benefit of the public. Too much censorship, so that needs to be reformed.

      Website blocking, internet regulation and surveillance, DRM, mass litigation, internet disconnections. All these things limit the rights of individuals and are far beyond the publisher's monopolies originally granted for 14-28 years. The original copyright could prevent Amazon from copying and publishing your sonnet, but couldn't stop Romeo from taking out his quill and paper and making a copy of your sonnet for his Juliet. Copyright has been extended in ways that interfere with our privacy, property and speech rights and that is has very serious negative effect on the public. There's too much censorship, so it needs to be returned to its original scope: it should only be enforced for commercial copying and natural persons should be immune.

      Perhaps changing the status quo is inconvenient for you, because you make lots of money from the current system and don't want it to change. That does not, in any way, justify the status quo.

    6. Re:Copyright isn't censorship... by brit74 · · Score: 1

      Is copyright a limit on the things I can say, even if what I'm saying is just repeating what someone else has said? If yes, then copyright is censorship. It's really that simple.
      Then you agree with my original statement that laws against for-profit piracy is censorship. So, let's say that Amazon and Walmart declared that they will continue selling books, movies, music, and software, but they were going to print all their own copies and pay no money to anyone, and then the government stepped in and dragged them into court and fined them, and then Amazon and Walmart used the defense that "this is censorship", you would completely agree with that? That's the point you have to argue. If Amazon or Walmart did that, I'd laugh at their claim that they are being "censored", because it's obvious they're just being jerks.

      In fact, copyright started as a method of censorship in medieval Europe before being codified into law and turned into what it is today.
      No, it started with an author who went to the authorities in Venice and asked for a ten-year period to have exclusive rights to publish his own book so that he could be sufficiently compensated for his work. (Most anti-copyright activists will tell you a distorted version of history. One thing I've noticed listening to anti-copyright activists like Rick Falkvinge versus copyright academics is that they tell different histories about copyright.)

      The question is not whether copyright is censorship, because it is.
      Yes, it is "censorship" in the most ridiculous and indefensible interpretation of the word.

      The question is, how much of this censorship is adequate and reasonable to support and enhance creativity, and at what point does the censorship become harmful to the public. 70 years after death is stupidly long, and defeats the purpose of enriching the public domain for the benefit of the public. Too much censorship, so that needs to be reformed.
      Okay, but I'm going to start by calling you out on CHANGING THE SUBJECT.
      With that said, I think we can both agree that piracy websites have very little interest in stuff that's 10 years old. They're most interested in stuff that's 1 year old. Just lookup the download counts for pirated material - the top 100 list is dominated by stuff released within the last twelve months. Under any reasonable length of copyright, piracy websites are breaking the law.

      Perhaps changing the status quo is inconvenient for you, because you make lots of money from the current system and don't want it to change. That does not, in any way, justify the status quo.
      No, it just irks me that pirates throw around self-serving excuses for their own greed. I also think it's piracy is detrimental and unfair to creators - even if I can agree that copyright is too long. On that note, even if I thought the death penalty was unfair to criminals, it doesn't somehow legitimize murder.

      One thing I often say to pirates is this: what's a reasonable copyright length? If it's ten years or more, then I say "okay, act like copyright is only ten years long and I won't judge you." They never want to take me up on the offer because they know they're better off complaining about copyright and then getting free stuff that was released last week or last month - because that's the stuff they really want.

    7. Re:Copyright isn't censorship... by brit74 · · Score: 1

      If the ONLY content on a particular website is copyrighted works being given away (distributed) without license and you can prove that the website/domain name will never ever ever be used for anything else, then you can claim that blocking said website/domain is not equal to censorship.
      So, if Walmart started printing up some media (books, music, software, movies) and ignored copyright, but for other media they respected copyright laws, then shutting down Walmart for copyright violations would be "censorship" because now Walmart wouldn't be able to sell the media for which they actually followed copyright? I don't think that argument works.

    8. Re:Copyright isn't censorship... by Imrik · · Score: 1

      If Walmart started printing up media ignoring copyright they would be sued for copyright violations. They would not have their front door blockaded by police without due process.

    9. Re:Copyright isn't censorship... by airfoobar · · Score: 1

      Then you agree with my original statement that laws against for-profit piracy is censorship.

      Yes it's censorship, however I'm arguing that to an extent it's morally justified censorship. It's good that authors have recourse against publishers simply taking their work, and I think you agree with that.

      it started with an author who went to the authorities in Venice and asked for a ten-year period to have exclusive rights to publish his own book so that he could be sufficiently compensated for his work

      That was an exceptional case, not a trend-setter. Publishing rights were an agreement between the monarch and the printers to get short monopolies as long as they printed only government-sanctioned books. Read and learn.

      Okay, but I'm going to start by calling you out on CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

      I didn't CHANGE THE SUBJECT. Copyright is censorship, but kind of justified censorship. The question remains, how much of this censorship is justified?

      No, it just irks me that pirates throw around self-serving excuses for their own greed.

      What part of the "Website blocking, internet regulation and surveillance, DRM, mass litigation, internet disconnections" do you consider an excuse, because I'd say those are pretty good reasons to think the current amount of copyright is not morally justified. Also, notice that not once have I made reference to piracy; you are the one conflating the position of being against your excessive and unjustified monopolies with piracy.

      I also think it's piracy is detrimental and unfair to creators

      If it's so detrimental and unfair, then the creators who have a problem with it should stop creating. The bad shit happening in the name of copyright is not worth it, I could live with a few new names on Top 100 list.

      One thing I often say to pirates is this: what's a reasonable copyright length?

      Go ask a pirate.

  27. SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And all this just for the sake of the likes of Justin Bieber and Shakira and Hollywood so they can profit for the crap they do.

    If you want to fight censorship you have to go directly to your " "artists" " and ask them why they work for a MAFIAA thats trying to fuck our internet. An active, longlasting and noisy boycott targetted to the "artist" him/herself is all You need.

    But no! lets all fiddle with proxies and Tor so we can have our tunez and have the mental-fap that we 0wned the censorz and we can has "teh 1337est freedom"

    Engineers think in solutions for engineers.. this is a problem that have root in society and how they consume media. Here we have 8 solutions the don't solve the inherent problem that is: Media industry have failed (You know it, they know it) and it's going down fucking everything in the way, because they can.

    They are testing the waters and those 8 "solutions" are what they want to see, not the general public realization of the absurdity this is.

    1. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An active, longlasting and noisy boycott targetted to the "artist" him/herself is all You need.

      Right, let's get all those millions of 13 year old Bieber fans to join up.

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    2. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mad? You really think artists have a choice to work outside this system? Most of them don't even understand it because once they become successful the system drowns them in money and allows them to have the run of the world, jet-setting to exotic locales and buying whatever they want, when they aren't spending long hours creating more "art"(a debate that doesn't apply to this discussion.) A few people talking to them about broken media systems are just going to sound like crazies, and they're not going to care about that when they could just go play in a swimming pool full of money and forget about the problems they faced before they made it big.

      The problem is far larger than a broken media system, as the public will come to realize soon enough. It encompasses every aspect of society. These are just temporary fixes to allow those with enough of a brain to use them to access media and enjoyment while the problem becomes apparent enough to the general public that something can be done about it. That something being NESARA.

    3. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

      Like theres shortage of script kiddies. You just have to KNOW how to bait Anon.

    4. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      And all this just for the sake of the likes of Justin Bieber and Shakira and Hollywood so they can profit for the crap they do.

      That's just it, though. They probably aren't going to profit from this. At all. Not only that, but I doubt they'd see much profit out of people who are, at most, potentially (only potentially) causing a loss of potential profit. Some of those people might not even have any money to begin with, and others won't even have a chance to buy the content anyway (in some cases, perhaps).

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    5. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Was that directed at me? Sorry, I don't understand.

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      "I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)

    6. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 2, Informative

      Real artists work outside the system, they have been doing it for ages, a real artist is going for the art to innovate the art not for the money so the problem I guess the general definition of the word "Artist" got fucked up somewhere in the 70's.

      I can't do music at all but if I could, I would share it via torrent and receive donations If I want, or "buy my new song for $1 or $5 and get autographed hard copy, don't have money? Invite me a beer or a joint and lets get along". Lots of real artists are doing that, of course "you probably never heard of them" but they are not attention whores either, they are people that actually study and do some useful work for society outside musical world, not the person (whose images gets used to promote a entirely computer creation) that you think it's worth the tittle Artist.

      That something being NESARA.

      Jesus please next time start you babbling with that magic words first so we know we don't need to read further. FYI NESARA is a canonical example in Social Marketing 101. Not that I'm against what NESARA would do, but it's a scam Jim. I mean, that shit started like in 1996? 10+ years and suckers keep coming and pumping money on "the scam that is always new" thanks to little spin in the actual news so EVERYTHING that happens anywhere it's a consequence to those good White Knights doings, just cute. Hows that gold doing dude? Sure it's growing, but not in your hands

    7. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by That+Guy+From+Mrktng · · Score: 1

      Nah I don't use ad hominen attacks since I find my way around better with sarcasm YMMV.

      And those 13 year olds have worst thing in their futures when they wake up from the hangover and realize we all the grown ups ate the whole cake and now they can't even have it.

      So being a fan of Justin Bieber is no worse that to be ignorant of how the world they are enjoying is falling apart one bail out at the time. Not that they can do shit anyway, probably just whine in Xbox Live?

    8. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

      It's not "just" for the current hot single music and video artist copyright owners. There's a great deal of content that governments want the infrastructure to control: this especially includes embarrassing content, such as is available at Wikipedia, but also includes data for mining of their own behavior, such as the very documents the Freedom of Information Act is supposed to provide. The photographs of the torture at Abu Ghraib prison with the goofy, smiling, blonde female soldier in front of a man who'd been tortured to death (available at http://antiwar.com/news/?articleid=8560) was far more effective in exposing US misbehavior than a thousand tweets or blogs.

      Control of information is vital to all organizations, and it has its uses to protect ordinary privacy of day to day operations from bothersome micromanagement by everyone in the world. But the measures in place for "copyright violation" are easily, and without court involvement under current US law, turned against arbitrary political speech. We're seeing precisely such censorship, at far more serious levels, in the Arab world during current political unrest there, we've seen it in the Communist bloc nations for decades, and it's always dangerous to citizens who lack information about what their own leaders are doing.

      This sort of thing is precisely why ICANN faces profound pressure, both overseas to control speech, and in the US to control speech and money, to surrender its international status and become an entirely US corporation. Other countries are, justly, concerned about this.

    9. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by countertrolling · · Score: 1

      ...Media industry have failed (You know it, they know it) and it's going down...

      What the hell are you talking about??

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    10. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by sheath · · Score: 1

      Best part about this comment:

      Justin Bieber is Canadian.
      Shakira is Columbian.

      Go Go Gadget U.S. lawmakers!

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      ---sheath
    11. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of the problem is that once the artists start working for them it's illegal for them to release anything on their own until they fulfill their contract. Their label has the power to decide whether to allow them to fulfill their contract or not, preventing them from releasing anything at all until they sign a new one.

    12. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by gsslay · · Score: 0

      And all this just for the sake of the likes of Justin Bieber and Shakira and Hollywood so they can profit for the crap they do.

      You call it crap, and yet people still want it and people still listen to/watch it. So much so that they will, if given no other choice, pay for it. Otherwise there'd be no point to attempting to protect their copyright, would there? No one goes to war to protect that which no one wants.

      If you want to fight censorship

      You're going to have to explain how being prevented from redistributing a track by your favourite artist, against their wishes, is "censorship". Much like how we are always being reminded that copyright infringement is not stealing, copyright enforcement is not censorship.

      why they work MAFIAA thats trying to fuck our internet.

      They work for the "MAFIAA" because they pay them. If a fair proportion of "your" internet consists of copies of their work, then why do you think they should have no say in determining what happens?

      To sum up, your position is;

      - you decide what's crap and what's worth having, regardless of how much demand there is for it.
      - it's your internet, so you get to say what should happen on it.
      - artists (unlike any one else) must give away their work for nothing, or they will be made of public example of.
      - only people who agree with you are to be afforded the same rights as you

      Remind me, who's the one that's behaving unreasonably here?

    13. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      As long as copyright law remains the immoral and unethical mess that it has become, anything a copyright holder wishes to do to enforce copyright law is apriori unreasonable. In other words, upholding an unreasonable system is unreasonable, no matter what the specific action is.

    14. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      "And all this just for the sake of the likes of Justin Bieber and Shakira and Hollywood so they can profit for the crap they do."

      You couldn't be bothered to at least choose an American artist for your example?

    15. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by Toze · · Score: 1

      While I agree with your implied meaning, your expressed statement is also correct; if Bieber fans demanded he stop supporting the RIAA, the kid could still have a successful career, and pull more cash down, and it would make a hell of a statement.

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    16. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if all that stuff is such crap, who do hypocrites like those here at slashdot spend SO MUCH time trying to get around the law so you can get the 'crap' for free.
      You all seem determiend to risk fines and arrest over getting free access to content you claim you don't want.
      Pathetic...

    17. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I can't do music at all but if I could, I would share it via torrent and receive donations If I want, or "buy my new song for $1 or $5 and get autographed hard copy, don't have money? Invite me a beer or a joint and lets get along"

      That all works great as long as you're doing it part-time and don't have a family to support or anything. But you're not going to become rich that way, or even earn enough to quit your day job. Many people say they don't care about the money. But when they're confronted with just how cheap their "fans" are, combined with not being able to pay the rent, it can be hard to stick to the "I don't care about money, I'm an artist" thing. Most would rather have a studio contract and a steady income.

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    18. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Right, that theory sounds great until we get to implememtation. It's like saying: "Colonizing the galaxy will be great after we construct a warp drive."

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    19. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by tmarsh86 · · Score: 1

      Real artists work outside the system, they have been doing it for ages, a real artist is going for the art to innovate the art not for the money so the problem I guess the general definition of the word "Artist" got fucked up somewhere in the 70's.

      Maybe in the 3070s B.C. There is no such thing as a "real artist," if your criteria is they don't take money/compensation to do it. Do you think Beethoven was giving away his compositions? People do what they can to make money to survive and even thrive. This includes artists. Sure, some may love what they do and never consider it work, but they certainly aren't going to do it for free unless they already have money.

    20. Re:SUPER DEFINITIVE Best idea by EdIII · · Score: 1

      Which one will be more effective?

      1) We all realize that our Freedom has been taken away from us, that corporations increasingly own us through duress, obligations, incentives, and ignorance, and that we have a 30 million man march on Congress and demand through representation that they change the laws? We all get together in a massive enlightened uprising and forcefully (but peaceably) replace our leaders and change copyright laws, strengthen Anonymity and Privacy in the Constitution, etc., etc., etc.?

      2) Let them pass all the laws they want, because they will be unenforceable. Until they outright make encryption illegal, or non-approved encryption illegal, there are engineering solutions to provide us with both Anonymity and Privacy. They can't prosecute you, if there is no Habeas Corpus.

      Solving the inherent problem is impossible. It's like bitching that we could do A, if we could just get that damned Unified Theory of Everything. Yeah... I want a pony too.

      The inherent problem is that neither you, or I, or the People's interests are represented anymore in our government. Regulation is a farce, free markets are a farce, the stock market is rigged, and we continue to get totally owned to the point where even our currency and country has been devalued by a company in our own country.

      So if you think you can "vote" your way out of this and that intelligent discourse will make politicians see reason and start pushing legislation that will effect our best interests... I have bridge to sell you.

      Part of the problem in the engineering solutions is that it requires participation. Not enough people have been effected yet to induce real change and participation. It will not be much longer before an alternate DNS is created outside of the US. It will fracture the Internet in two, because I don't imagine they will just copy the .com, .org, and .net domains over for free. I imagine they will give us the opportunity to transfer over to them for a fee, and that after a period of time we forfeit the rights to a domain name. To be honest, I really don't know how that will play out. Perhaps there will be some cooperation, and perhaps not.

      That time is coming, and I can certainly say that I will have no problems spending thousands of dollars for a DNS system that is not controlled by Homeland Security and people that have no idea what they are doing, and whose strings are being pulled by corporate interests that have no respect for the judicial process at home or abroad.

      It's great to have ideals, and I don't disagree with anything you have said, but pragmatically, idealism here is not going to work.

      This is war. We are not the biggest players on the field. We don't have satellites, tanks, and F117's. When you are in such a position, your only option is Guerrilla Warfare.

      So you may think we are "fiddling" around, but the truth is far from it. Their are multiple projects and thousands and thousands of people worldwide that they are thinking everyday of how to create a 2nd Internet that can be routed around on top of the 1st, while creating an inherently Anonymous and Private network for communications.

      That IS the solution, because if you think you could do it with your wallet, then you are fighting the rest of the Sheeples, if you think you can do it by reasoning with a politician, then you don't understand politics, and if you think you can do it with ideals, than you are sadly naive.

      The engineering solutions are the most pragmatic and effective solutions we will have.

      For example, I have several VPS that is outside of the US entirely, user accounts on private tracker sites, and all of my activity is limited to SSL protected file transfers from several IP addresses. Inspect my activity all you want and you will find nothing linking back to me without a extreme buttload of effort. As for the private trackers? Shut one down, and two more appear. They are even WOR

  28. Re:does anybody think that laws prevent all crimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the failure of sufficient deterrence depends on the opinion of what's sufficient, sometimes it's not that ambitious, the low-hanging fruit is more often the target, and that routing around a problem leads to the second part of what I mentioned, evidence of complicity in the crime. That is an important part of it.

    It's a lot more damning when they can show you not only opened a door, but wore a black outfit and carried a set of lockpicks. That'll be worse for you than if you were just caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

  29. Home DNS Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are they going to do this for those of us that run our own DNS servers at home? Good luck to them with that.

  30. If PROTECT-IP passes. by Torodung · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Two thoughts:

    1. There is an immediate First amendment freedom of speech issue here, as speech will be silenced without due process. The abrogation of the right to speech is inherent in the abrogation of the ability to be heard in a public forum. If you tear gas the audience of the guy on the soapbox, you are still stifling speech. This silences speech, without any legal determination whether the speech is protected. Historical evidence has shown that laws of this sort will be abused to silence appropriate and protected speech. It will not fail to do this, because there is no process in place other than the will to power. We can bank on that. This aspect of the law should be struck down on basic Constitutional grounds (and it will be severable so it won't affect the rest of it, unfortunately.)

    2. We are on our way to the Great Firewall. This is the exact same thing China does to websites that it thinks are against political interests. It's just that our political interests are based in the distorted idea that we can build an economy on censorship and artificial scarcity of information, in an age of unprecedented freedom and speed of communication which enabled that dream in the first place! It's a circular firing squad we're setting up here. We are on the wrong side of history if we let this pass or remain unchallenged. We are just absolutely brain-dead to shoot the nascent information economy in the face with the uncertainties this process will cause.

    This provision is a myopic, special interest concern that fails to see that you can't have the good without some measure of bad. We should take the good and mitigate the bad. This is disrupting the whole damned thing, like a player who "wins" a chess game by throwing the board into the air. Write your congressperson a letter on letterhead. Call them. Visit them. March on Washington, if you are able.

    For God's sake, we cannot let them do this. We're going for a triple-dip recession if we do.

    1. Re:If PROTECT-IP passes. by c0lo · · Score: 1

      For God's sake, we cannot let them do this. We're going for a triple-dip recession if we do.

      That is: if we'll survive the second, isn't it?

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    2. Re:If PROTECT-IP passes. by Torodung · · Score: 1

      For God's sake, we cannot let them do this. We're going for a triple-dip recession if we do.

      That is: if we'll survive the second, isn't it?

      Touché.

  31. Check your drug store. They've already lost. by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

    Every drug store has blank DVDs and CDs at the front counter, in the impulse buy section, near the chewing gum and candy bars. Most computers come with a standard DVD/CD burner, and have for years. Why do you think people buy them? Look at the way personal computers are advertised: you buy a computer for Internet access, and you use the Internet for free music and video.

    It's been obvious to most people for years now that there's no practical limitation on copying digital media. It's been common practice to do so for most people for years. First the technology changed, then popular practiced changed, then popular social standards changed. The law is the last thing to change.

    The media industries are in the position of Wiley Coyote, having already run off a cliff, and just realizing that he's impossibly suspended in mid-air. They're just buying time, to crank out the last profits while they can. They know they're doomed.

  32. KILL Switch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Members of US Congress and the US President and Staff and Department Heads work under the presumption of ammunity ... ammunity from local laws ... ammunity from State laws ... ammunity from Federal laws ... ammunity from US Contitutional laws ... ammunity from International laws.

    With such false presumptions it is no wonder that Barak Hessien Obama II does what he does.

    What the people of the world need is a KILL swithch on all members of US Congress, all US Cabnet Heads and appointed officials and the staff of the Presedent of United States as well as the XOUS.

    The S&P downgrade should breathe some life into the US electorate.

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  33. Re:What we have hear is a failure to communicate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Search software brings up lists to download, installed software plays it. Idiot proof. So while we may read about 8 ways to bypass, I question how many people or incapable of using these ways and, if this DNS block won't actually reduce the usage substantially.

    The trouble is that it's idiot proof because the engineers made it that way. Politicians think that if you remove thepiratebay.org from the DNS then people won't be able to type "thepiratebay.org" into their web browsers and get TPB. What will in actuality happen is that engineers will go back and make it idiot proof again: Someone will make a distributed name resolution system and it will end up being included in popular web browsers, or every P2P app will come with a copy of MAFIAAFire, etc. And then it goes back to being idiot proof.

  34. Re:What we have hear is a failure to communicate.. by 1u3hr · · Score: 2

    . Idiot proof. So while we may read about 8 ways to bypass, I question how many people or incapable of using these ways and, if this DNS block won't actually reduce the usage substantially.

    They won't need to understand the methods, they'll be built into the next generation of download software.

  35. Speaking of corporate America.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How well do these methods work against the 6 strike "collusion" the ISPs made with content companies? Isn't that more pressing than PROTECTIP? I gather the agreement is in place but this bill has yet to become law.

    1. Re:Speaking of corporate America.... by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      One of them obviates the ISP collusions as well: VPN. If the tunnel stretches from your computer to the VPN point site, the ISP only sees a stream of encrypted noise.

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  36. Citizen Internet by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does anyone knows if there is already someone working on an internet made by citizens? e. g. , wireless routers in homes linked to each other, on a city scale at least!

    1. Re:Citizen Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://newamerica.net/events/2011/bridging_the_digital_divide
      The people listed here are working on community wireless in the US and Europe.

  37. They're laughing at you. by AllenNg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In typical fashion, the technical elite focus primarily on the technical solutions. That is not how this war will be won. This time the enemy is trying approach X, which is sloppy and inept, and you have 8 different technical solutions with which to counter it. So you chalk it up as a victory for the geeks or even as an important improvement to the system.

    This clumsy assault which you've thwarted with your technical prowess, and all of its sibling assaults in this diversionary and dissipative battle, are not the war however. They know they can't win the technical battle, so of course they will not even set foot on the field. They will say "We tried to build a secure network, but we've been continuously thwarted in our every attempt. Now we need to go after these [insert scary moniker]." The next phase will be increased and targeted criminalization. This phase is the building of the case in support of the draconian laws that are to come. It's difficult to take away people's freedoms for no reason. It's easy to convince people to give them up voluntarily in exchange for security. Especially for security from mysterious threats involving forces that they do not understand (eg. technology). By feigning technical restriction, they are drawing you out so that you might build the case against you yourselves. It's classic battlefield tactics--use your enemy's strength against them.

    This war can only be won by defeating the enemy's ability to create legislation against freedom. Since it is the public's ignorance that will make this possible, the battleground of education is where this contest will be decided. Unfortunately, that particular topic is deep behind enemy lines and well nigh unassailable.

    1. Re:They're laughing at you. by russotto · · Score: 2

      In typical fashion, the technical elite focus primarily on the technical solutions.

      In typical fashion, the pseudointelligensia object to technical solutions, but have no solutions of their own ("well nigh unassailable"). Yeah, we fucking know they won't meet us on that battlefield, and will instead concentrate on jailing us. But what else are we to do, throw up our hands and say "Oh, you've taken away our DNS resolution, we are wounded, we will behave exactly as you desire now"?

      You want to defeat the enemy's ability to create legislation against freedom? Me too? Thought of any ways to do it besides "educating" (rather, indoctrinating) the public to our position when they not only control, but ARE the media? Well, I have, but it's no easier to accomplish, and anyway you might term it a "technical" solution, though it's pretty low-tech.

    2. Re:They're laughing at you. by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      The way to beat them is to stop consuming.. Stop worrying about Twitter. Stop booking face. Stop trying to feed an endless desire for the music, movies, and media created. By trying to feed our own lust for this stuff, we're creating the war. SImply stop fighting, and they completely lose. Without our putting worth on it, media has no value. Perhaps easier said than done, but I'll bet it would have some good upshots. People might talk to each other again for a change, instead of everyone jamming earbuds in their heads and ignoring everything around them. I'll bet it could do wonders for our democracy.

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    3. Re:They're laughing at you. by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Since it is the public's ignorance that will make this possible, the battleground of education is where this contest will be decided.

      Education? You mean educating those masses of young people that already are more likely to bejigger thier iPhone, Android phone, or Tablet XX in whatever manner that one creepy kid in class told them to just to get their favorite website working than not? You mean educating those masses of people who don't even realize these legal antics are going on, but who still just go to Google and type, "Download Movie _____," and figure out how to do it?

      I don't know what world you, or these lawmakers, are living in, but they've already lost the war of education. 95% of the populations doesn't know or give a shit about laws like this. They will still download whatever they want. They will still put in the effort of a minimal hack to get to read what they want. They will still find a way to do anything they can on the internet because the commonly accepted theme in society today is, "it can be done because it has already been done, just find where it has been done by looking on the internet."

      Folks are going to get access to the information they want because they have been used to being able to do that for over 20 years now. There are entire swarms of kids that can't even imagine a reality where that doesn't exist. None of these people pay attention to laws like this because they don't give a damn about laws like this. The censors have lost. They just don't know it yet.

    4. Re:They're laughing at you. by russotto · · Score: 1

      The way to beat them is to stop consuming.. Stop worrying about Twitter. Stop booking face. Stop trying to feed an endless desire for the music, movies, and media created. By trying to feed our own lust for this stuff, we're creating the war. SImply stop fighting, and they completely lose.

      That doesn't work. It's not enough for me and those like me to stop "consuming"; they don't need my money to make bad laws. There's plenty of other people to feed the beast.

  38. Use your own DNS by abelb · · Score: 0

    One method the article didn't mention is to use your own caching DNS server. Bind is available for Windows, OSX and obviously Linux. The default installation is for a caching name server which does not rely on any external servers except the root servers.

  39. Operation Delego by kencf0618 · · Score: 2

    Of the approximately 600 members of Dreamboard, only 72 were charged, and twenty of them as John Does. According to the Twitched Indictment, Dreamboard gave advice to its members as to which encryption to use, but obviously the Feds aren't shouting from the rooftops about which security protocols they weren't able to break and/or circumvent...

  40. Use pdnsd or treewalk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux users can easily bypass their ISP's DNS server by using pdnsd:

    http://www.phys.uu.nl/~rombouts/pdnsd.html

    MS Windows has the equivalent Treewalk:

    http://confetch.com/mirrors.htm

    Both utilities allow direct connections to any DNS server worldwide and both also have the extra benefit of providing local DNS caching for faster lookups.

    Use pdnsd or treewalk and all troubles will be moot.

  41. More money to the fire by Kyrubas · · Score: 1

    Locks just keep honest people honest.

    Also, if you build it, someone will try to break it for the sheer joy or doing so. In this case it doesn't seem like much effort was required.

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  43. Re:What we have hear is a failure to communicate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then Congress passes a law making that illegal, has a few testcases like RIAA vs. Limewire to ensure that the law passes muster in front of a lapdog SCOTUS, and we are back to where we started. Perhaps worse, as eventually we will end up with a US-wide NAC system -- either have a "trusted" router or a machine that has a V-chip like item to it, or it will not be connectable, and trying to connect something to the Net without it will result in a stiff Federal prison sentence.

    Of course, said V-chip will pretty much work like an antivirus program, except if it detects anything, it would shut the computer down, shut the net connection down and notify the authorities of the breach.

  44. circumvent the government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    vote out the authoritarian imperialists

  45. Law that penalizes a third party (the ISP) by whois · · Score: 2

    So we've got to manage infrastructure in a way that's counter to it's purpose. They propose this already knowing the workarounds and that it's technically not a feasible solution for anything, and yet they want it to go through anyway.

    Laws shouldn't be there to force third parties to operate in an inefficient or insecure manner. Laws are supposed to be to punish the guilty party, or get restitution for the wronged party. Yes, there are criminal laws that say "don't do this." Don't speed, or don't murder would be examples of those. But I'm having trouble remembering a law that required a 3rd party to censor things at someones request.

    If libraries weren't dying as an instituion I'm sure the most obvious similarity would be a librarian being asked to pull books and hide them in the back room because they weren't allowed to show them to the public anymore. I find it interesting that people in America are scared to go to certain websites or look at some of these leaked documents online because it might be illegal or might be used against them. Not only have we bowed down to censorship, we're running scared that someone will find out we aren't so pure and innocent.

    People even here are asking "will it be legal to circumvent this?" when the true question should be "why is censorship suddenly a part of the US federal governments mandate?"

  46. Circumventing the circumvention by knorthern+knight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The countermeasures look like they've been written by a script-kiddie. They are not 100% effective. Everybody has been concentrating on DNS servers. Guess what...

    1) There are already some greedy asshat ISPs intercepting port 53 and replacing results with their own. Right now, they get a lot of complaints when they're caught. But if the government orders it, all ISPs will have to do it.That'll stop *ALL* regular DNS queries to foreign servers (including roots), unless you VPN, or ssh-tunnel, or use non-standard ports.

    2) "Undesirable sites" can be null-routed. Remember when Pakistan accidentally knocked Youtube off the net for the entire planet? http://slashdot.org/story/08/02/25/1322252/Pakistan-YouTube-Block-Breaks-the-World Even knowing the correct IP address doesn't work then. Only VPN or ssh-tunneling will get you the content if the IP address itself is blocked. Of course if the US managed to knock foreign "infringing" servers off the net, the MAFIAA wouldn't exactly cry about it.

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  47. An article written by a total bozo by Dark$ide · · Score: 3, Informative

    6. Using Command Prompt Quick Explanation: In Windows at least, one can simply open up command prompt (explained in tutorial) and simply type in “ping [insert domain name here]” and obtain a server IP address for later use.

    The guy is a fucking cretin.

    How do he think PING finds the address? It looks it up using the default DNS.

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    1. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for later use

      Ergo, you are a fucking cretin.

    2. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think he's implying that you would record the IP of a site you think will be blocked in the future, then use that after it has been blocked.

    3. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6. Using Command Prompt
      Quick Explanation:

      In Windows at least, one can simply open up command prompt (explained in tutorial) and simply type in “ping [insert domain name here]” and obtain a server IP address for later use.

      The guy is a fucking cretin.

      How do he think PING finds the address? It looks it up using the default DNS.

    4. Re:An article written by a total bozo by gsslay · · Score: 1

      If only he'd explained in TFA how;

      "Obtaining this information through command prompt must be done before the domain is censored. "

      But I guess even if he had done that, he's still be relying on readers with a tiny, tiny attention span to read to the end of the entry.

    5. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am glad that at least one person noticed this.

    6. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here I was thinking bypass was spelt, well, not like bi-pass.

    7. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6. Using Command Prompt
      Quick Explanation:

      In Windows at least, one can simply open up command prompt (explained in tutorial) and simply type in “ping [insert domain name here]” and obtain a server IP address for later use.

      The guy is a fucking cretin.

      How do he think PING finds the address? It looks it up using the default DNS.

      VPNs will be the achilles heel of this. You cannot outlaw VPNs, without upsetting Big Business, which also pays a lot of money into Senate and Congressman campaigns, so don't look for the USA to outlaw VPN very soon.

    8. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in disadvantages, he mentions that it has to be done before the site it censored.

    9. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you missed the part about it being for later use? As in before the bozos block the domain?

    10. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You shouldn't stop reading mid sentence, thats how. TFA states to use this before the domain is blocked.

    11. Re:An article written by a total bozo by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Oh man, I was going to point that out. That entry in the list is a perfect example of how useless all of the other entries are.

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    12. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Striek · · Score: 1

      Cons:

      Obtaining this information through command prompt must be done before the domain is censored. Only one IP address can be obtained this way. If the website changes IP address for their server, youâ(TM)ll lose access to the site unless you have the new one as well.

      RTFA

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    13. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not nice at all. I have always read your timely and incisive comments with the knowledge that deep down your a real sweetie. Oh my broken heart.

    14. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... obtain a server IP address for later use"

      That is, for use after the DNS records get pulled.

    15. Re:An article written by a total bozo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's what he meant by "later". As in "get it now before they start" and use it later, essentially a host file.

  48. Well, what did you expect? by zerox030366 · · Score: 1

    We (or most people) seem perfectly content to let other people control the internet. Suddenly the powers that be decide that they want to restrict the internet, and now everyone throws a fit. If we really gave a shit about freedom on the internet we would already have taken things like DNS into our own hands. The tools to do this are publicly available (eg, bitcoin, or just running your own DNS server), but no one cares enough to make this a reality. Maybe internet censorship will finally be enough of a driving force for people to make people realize just how powerless they have been happy to be.

    1. Re:Well, what did you expect? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, genius, please explain WTF Bitcoin has to do with DNS, other than that they both seem to give you a hard-on.

    2. Re:Well, what did you expect? by elewton · · Score: 1

      Probably meant Namecoin; the distributed DNS alternative.

  49. Breaking DNS is censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're looking at PROTECT-IP in terms of its goals, rather than as a security problem (capabilties).

    Enforcing copyright requires censorship capability. It is impossible to build a system that is able to prevent access to thepiratebay without compromising that system such that access to CNN is also vulnerable.

    PROTECT-IP makes it so that triggering this vulnerability doesn't even require a court order anymore. There's virtually no oversight at all.

    CNN has to worry about this and take counter-measures (or else face the fact that some day, their site may get 0 visitors and generate $0 revenue). To them and every user of the Internet (excluding copyright infringers, if you like), this is censorship.

    What's happening here is that DNS is going to become a system people can no longer trust. Whether you think it's good ("yay, people can't use DNS to violate copyright') or bad is irrelevant; the sun is setting on DNS and everyone (even non-infringers) is going to pay the price for this. The People are running out of time to stop their government from breaking DNS, unless they want to endure the growing pains that will inevitably stem from replacing DNS with something more tamper-resistant.

  50. Nice concept by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just waiting for Facebook and Google to accuse each other
    (no, didn't RTFA, but the summary said it would be enough with being accused accused - Is USA morphing into North Korea?)

  51. Re:does anybody think that laws prevent all crimes by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Complete prevention is not the point, even complete prosecution isn't the point. Anybody can get away with speeding, or breaking in a locked door, or any number of crimes if the circumstances are right.

    The goal is sufficient deterrence...

    More simply: The goal is to make us afraid.

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  52. Namecoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or you can just use namecoin which is a distributed DNS system.

  53. Is there a difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a difference?

  54. wrong game by Tom · · Score: 1

    Yeah, feels like a victory for the IT crowd.

    Except that nobody cheers, and when you look up you realize there's nobody there, because the real game is being played next door, in the other arena.

    Politicians don't care about the possibility to circumvent. That isn't their problem at all. These guys pass laws every day that are trivial to circumvent. They outlawed stealing once, and all I have to do is grab that car key you left on the table and run for it. See? Easy to circumvent, what a ridiculous law, they should abolish it!

    But they don't, and they are right and we are wrong. It's not about it being easy to circumvent, it's about a proscription being there now, and passing new laws for stronger enforcement is a lot easier than getting the law itself passed in the first place.
    And it's about setting cultural standards. While politics has long lost that game and the general public doesn't see them as guidance anymore, but as corrupt crooks, due to dissonance they don't see themselves that way.

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  55. Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy is a fucking cretin.

      How do he think PING finds the address? It looks it up using the default DNS.

    You're the one being the "cretin" (whatever that means).
    TFA:

    Obtaining this information through command prompt must be done before the domain is censored. Only one IP address can be obtained this way. If the website changes IP address for their server, you’ll lose access to the site unless you have the new one as well.

    This is for people who don't know how to find out the IP of a domain at all. It's also mentioned in other sections that you need to get the info beforehand.

  56. Sample letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear CongressCritter,

    I admire your voting the Protect-IP legislation into law. The power of this law enables computers to hide the address of web-sites that criminals will use while committing music piracy.

    I ask that you support parallel legislation which prevents criminals from using vaults of money. This country needs a law which enables citizens to hide the street address of buildings containing a supply of dollar bills of various denominations.

    Because you voted to hide addresses from music pirates, I know that you will sponsor my effort to hide street addresses from criminals. In our efforts to realise this legislation, I am pleased to receive your support and henceforth will speak as your proxy. I will write again soon, informing you what I have achieved in your name.

    Yours truly,

  57. Spilled my coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Script kiddies? Sure, if what you really meant was script kiddies with guns and the special right to use them as a business model.

    I think people sometimes forget that it is presisely the gun, and the special ability to employ that gun in offense (not merely defense), that seperates government from the rest of us.

  58. wrong target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Its stupid and unjust going after the dns servers instead of going after the people actually committing any crimes or infringement

  59. It will put a dent in it by matzahboy · · Score: 2

    People have to be somewhat computer savy to use the work-arounds mentioned here. While people who read slashdot could easily circumvent these DNS restrictions, the typical Internet user would struggle to do so. This kind of law would put a dent in the piracy, but it would not stop it. Any computer-savy pirate could circumvent the laws, but not everyone could.

  60. yep, that's slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Error 503 Service Unavailable

    Service Unavailable
    Guru Meditation:

    XID: 743959834

    Varnish cache server

  61. U KNOW I have 2 post this (HOSTS)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because of this single statement from the article here today, in regards to HOSTS files (which has been covered here by myself in points #4-#7 mainly below, & more, many times here @ /.):

    "The methods are: using a VPN service, using your HOSTs file, using TOR, using freely available DNS lookup tools, changing your DNS server to a non-US server, using command prompt, using Foxy Proxy, and using MAFIAAFire." - Dangerous_Minds/Drew Wilson of ZeroPaid http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/08/07/2221245/8-Ways-To-Circumvent-the-PROTECT-IP-Act

    HOWEVER, a HOSTS file offers you a LOT MORE THAN JUST THAT, for FREE (better online SPEED, bandwidth, & YES, security + anonymity (vs. DNSBLs)):

    My custom HOSTS file currently protects me vs. 1,554,666++ (& growing every 15 minutes) KNOWN bad sites/servers/hosts-domains that are KNOWN to be either maliciously scripted, or serving up malware-in-general, plus spamming/phishing sources as well as botnet C&C servers.

    How/Why? Ok, read on:

    20++ ADVANTAGES OF HOSTS FILES OVER DNS SERVERS &/or ADBLOCK ALONE for added layered security:

    1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program).

    2.) Adblock blocks ads in only 1-2 browser family, but not all (Disclaimer: Opera now has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF or Chrome etc.).

    3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF, Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.

    4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 5-7 next below).

    5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, hosts do (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/082908-kaminsky-flaw-prompts-dns-server.html for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions via NSLOOKUP, PINGS, &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

    6.) Hosts files don't eat up CPU cycles like AdBlock does while it parses a webpages' content, nor as much as a DNS server does while it runs. HOSTS file are merely a FILTER for the kernel mode/PnP TCP/IP subsystem, which runs FAR FASTER & MORE EFFICIENTLY than any ring 3/rpl3/usermode app can.

    7.) HOSTS files will allow you to get to sites you like, via hardcoding your favs into a HOSTS file, FAR faster than DNS servers can by FAR (by saving the roundtrip inquiry time to a DNS server & back to you).

    8.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

    GOOD INFORMATION ON MALWARE BEHAVIOR LISTING BOTNET C&C SERVERS + MORE (AS WELL AS REMOVAL LISTS FOR HOSTS):

    http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
    http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
    http://hostsfile.org/hosts.html
    http://hostsfile.mine.nu/down

  62. Re:What we have hear is a failure to communicate.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, DHT is already built in to most current BitTorrent clients, which means all you have to do is host the .torrent files - not even running a tracker. And if you put them on an FTPd instead of an HTTPd, they're not on a "website" and therefore, I think, don't fall under the purview of this law. IANAL, but some of the phrasing in this stuff seems targeted at HTTP traffic only. Encourage Usenet in the public mind, and...

  63. How about by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    At a time when the US economy is as uncertain as it was in the depression, let's not waste money on unnecessary law passing. We don't really need more shit laws that won't be enforced.

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  64. PROTECT-IP Died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PROTECT-IP is dead. Stop talking about it. The Senator from Oregon blocked it a while back.

  65. Don't use MafiaaFire, use FireICE! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Sorry to reply offtopic to your dick joke, but I wanted to get this as high up as possible.

    MafiaaFire has a known design flaw that presents security problems, use the fork FireICE instead:

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/fireice/

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  66. Actual solutions by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2

    I thought there were going to be some legit solutions in TFA but... So here are a few that will actually work.

    1) Create a DNSSec DNS service that runs over an "unblockable" encrypted protocol. For example, DNS over HTTPS. Blocking HTTPS traffic would fuck the people pushing this legislation in addition to banks, online shops, online services, etc...

    2) Build a completely open wireless network using participation, pwnd phones, pwnd wireless, radio packet technologies, even pidgeons.

    3) Revolt. None of this "vote them out of office" bullshit. If your congresscritter votes for this type of legislation go to their house, drag them into the street, beat them to death with a stick. I guarantee the next one will vote against it. If not. rinse. repeat.

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  67. Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In my opinions, if the PROTECT IP bill passes, everybody should start using the forums of corporate or government websites to trade rapidshares and torrent links.
    See if they actually plan on shutting down websites that are suspected of being used for copyright infringement.

  68. Re:YOU DIDN'T ASNWER THE REAL FUCKING QUESTION: by cshark · · Score: 1

    Usually with a cigar cutter.

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