so Nvidia signed an open pact without any regard to Microsoft products using Nvidia chips? Just how many years had Nvidia's lawyers completed before they signed this kind of agreement with no less than Microsoft? Can we call them lawyers if they hadn't passed the Bar yet?
all I'll say is what idiots. Maybe they used to be Sun Microsystem Java licensing lawyers.
didn't BestBuy sign a deal with Microsoft (ExpertZone) putting Microsoft employees inside of BB for training and lots of the training was how to bash Linux and Macs? I wouldn't doubt there was also a contract section eliminating their ability to sell other operating systems, especially GNU/Linux based ones. Here is a good search to start with:
and it's as if they've not tried this before and failed. Pissing off all those hardware vendors you've strong armed in the past and who have feared you and doing it at a time when they have other successful alternatives available makes perfect sense. Please, please keep Steve Ballmer around for another 5 years.
so MS-Nokia would lose the Qt license if they didn't update the project so they look like they are covering that and nothing more. Sure sounds like what would be in Microsoft's best interest and given Nokia is run by a former Microsoft executive who immediately handed Nokia to Microsoft this sound like Microsoft.
People just don't get how vicious the company is and what they'll do to stop a competitor.Qt should be forked or the poison pill dropped so the license can be taken from MS-Nokia ASAP.
but the catch is that MS-Nokia only needs to show some progress and I'm sure that's a very ambiguous clause so therefore it can effectively stall and there's nothing any one can do about it. Get this, Qt is a threat to Microsoft because not only is it NOT a Windows only development kit it's got it's own complete SDK across other platforms. Microsoft has always been hell bent on doing everything to make sure developers are tied to the Windows platform and Qt is 180 out from that business method.
And just look at all the competitors to Microsoft on the list of Qt based products. And what was the first thing we heard from the Qt people once MS signed up with Nokia? There'll be a new version of Qt, Qt v5, and it will not be binary compatible with the v4.x branch. Really people, this is supposed to show continuity? To me it shows just the opposite, it covers the clause to prevent losing control of the Qt license and also will cause problems due to incompatibility with exiting software. If Microsoft were not involved, I'd be more likely to let them start showing the foot dragging but that is not the case. And remember, Nokia spun off the part of Qt which took in profits from SDK sales so where's the motive to keep Qt going? What they are doing is keeping the license from leaving Nokia and keeping Qt from thriving in the open market. IMO
I might believe what the Microsoft Executive come Nokia CEO said except he said Google was a competitor. That my friend is a Microserf talking because Google does not compete with their phone hardware partners. On top of that, Microsoft has put the screws down on hardware vendors building Windows Phone 7 phones so there's little hardware _and_ software creativity to add( ie value add ). There was just a story about a PC OEM saying Microsoft is clamping down on them too. So I call bullshit on Elop and why they claimed they could not compete in the Android market space and had no choice but Microsoft.
My first thought when I read the article headline went like this, 'so this is working out just the way Microsoft planned and they'll soon be able to purchase Nokia for next to nothing.' Microsoft partners almost always end up as a pile of bones on the side of the road.
some of us have been around the block for too many years to not have fun with this. Microsoft may have finally got a version of their OS uptimes high enough to not require redundant servers(hardware) with failover but it's taken them decades to finally do it. Not to mention the huge increase in man hours it's taken to support Windows systems. They are a joke because they earned it.
Many of us lived through the hardships of a conversion from UNIX to Windows and it has not been pretty. I'm reminded of how Microsoft themselves has quite the difficulty converting Hotmail from UNIX to Windows. It's been said it took about 2x the hardware to finally get Hotmail running on Windows instead of UNIX. You don't shake that off unless you're either a newbie, a fanboi, or both.
and they've not planted any of their executives on the board or in high places within Skype like the Nokia deal neither. Unless we see there's cause or reason for the Microsoft-ification of Skype should start before the ink is dry, we'll have to accept that it's only fun blaming Microsoft for stuff like this.
And here's another theory based on nothing, a mass exodus of geeks from Skype who don't want to work for Microsoft either left or decided key parts of an update weren't in their best interest in bothering with. ala "oops, just kidding" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkf0nAGqi0
I wonder if this has to do with book scanning software or something in WebP which allows better search of image. can it really be just about bandwidth at the individual image level?
regarding your sig, don't you know that feeding 15GB down a straw is WAY different than feeding 5GB down a 5" sewer line? I don't use Verizon so I'm not sure how fat the pipe really is but it's gotta be faster than the old dialup modem stuff was/is. anyways, it's all about spreading out the flow and a slow pipe makes it easier to spread the load. So not really Pathetic.
and you should have bought a Nexus One if you don't like the control the phone vendors have. They've moved the competition away from their service and onto the phone/hardware side and the public sucks it up. _that_ is pathetic.
Mr Ballmer, will you please go back to throwing chairs around your office. This reaction makes you look like you're back on stage in front of a bunch of Microsoft developers but pissed at them.
that's suppose to be funny right? cause otherwise he should run the version number backwards if he's going to do something dumb like that. Maybe he can bind COM into the kernel while he's at it.
learn to use 10 fingers typing and maybe it won't be so hard to Do Caps Every Now And Then.
that's what I was thinking since they are not giving a PC with every XBox and instead it's the other way around, a free XBox with a PC. Since they still have a monopoly position in the PC OS market, isn't that is leveraging a monopoly position to benefit another product?
My guess is the timing of this is not unrelated to the end of the oversight.
we still have an original IBM PC AT in the box up in the attic. we just can't get rid of it but it does get moved from one side of the attic to the other every now and then. Luckily we don't keep all our 5 1/4" floppy's up there. nostalgia is just tough to get rid of sometimes.
the Death Star was cool but the copy was just a bunch of big Spaceballs. Besides, it was the super weapon which was cool, the support systems around it ended up causing its parts to be very quickly separated along with everything else around it.
one problem I see is that Microsoft is well known for locking its developers onto their platform. This is a well known business method used on the Windows OS. Given that, why would you want to fall for using the platform they control( MS.Net) to create applications for the 2 dominant phone platforms, iOS and Android, so you can get the also-ran Windows Phone 7 and be subject to losing iOS and Android at Microsoft's whim?
For crying out loud, Microsoft created their.Net stuff to thwart Java because Java was cross platform. "Does anyone remember Windows" was what Bill Gates exclaimed at an internal Microsoft meeting as the development discussions on where to take Java on Windows became a heated discussion on making a better Java than others. The result of that meeting was stoppage of all current Microsoft Java projects and the beginning of binding MS Java to Windows and breaking the cross platform nature and license of Java. It was also the beginning of their attack on Borland, one of the leading language and Java tools shops at the time, and the beginning of Microsoft's Java-like platform called MS.Net.
Since Attachmate didn't sell Mono to this Xamerin group are there not two versions of Mono? That would then be a Duo. Because two Mono's don't make it right.
That reminds me, Miguel already has a dual personality with his proclaimed love of open source yet his constant admiration for everything made by Microsoft.
there are lots and lots of "Windows shops" where they almost never venture outside of the Microsoft world. Lots of them run HyperV and do so because it means all their servers don't crash when one Windows VM crashes. It's called consolidation and improving reliability and is why virtual machines on PC hardware really kicked into full gear. Before virtual machines these Windows shops had to have one Windows software service run on its own hardware to isolate crashes and down time so that meant lots of hardware and lots of under utilized hardware at that.
so there's lots of Windows on Windows users out there running Microsoft HyperV. It would seem that a few are out there not willing to pony up for RHeL and cut over to the cheaper CentOS when they put their feet into the GNU/Linux waters. IMO, CentOS support is a no-brainer for Microsoft since it cuts into revenue which would otherwise go to Redhat and Redhat is a worthy opponent.
this is just training to create the memories and skills needed when implanted into the Nexus models current being created elsewhere. As they probably say at NASA, robots? We don't need no stinking robots!
paranoid? on the contrary, over 20 years of experiencing Microsoft's business practices back my distrust that Qt has not been part of the Nokia-Microsoft marriage. As I said, the software can be run into the ground by misdirection so it only matters who controls it and Nokia kept control.
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so Nvidia signed an open pact without any regard to Microsoft products using Nvidia chips? Just how many years had Nvidia's lawyers completed before they signed this kind of agreement with no less than Microsoft? Can we call them lawyers if they hadn't passed the Bar yet?
all I'll say is what idiots. Maybe they used to be Sun Microsystem Java licensing lawyers.
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didn't BestBuy sign a deal with Microsoft (ExpertZone) putting Microsoft employees inside of BB for training and lots of the training was how to bash Linux and Macs? I wouldn't doubt there was also a contract section eliminating their ability to sell other operating systems, especially GNU/Linux based ones. Here is a good search to start with:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Microsoft+Best+buy+employee
Don't count on Best Buy carrying these or expect to keep getting it pulled from your hands by Best Buy employees shoving Microsoft at you.
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didn't you see the Penn & Teller video? They don't. ;P
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they just thinned out over the years as AC/DC was played less... because it attracted the sharks.
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and it's as if they've not tried this before and failed. Pissing off all those hardware vendors you've strong armed in the past and who have feared you and doing it at a time when they have other successful alternatives available makes perfect sense. Please, please keep Steve Ballmer around for another 5 years.
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so MS-Nokia would lose the Qt license if they didn't update the project so they look like they are covering that and nothing more. Sure sounds like what would be in Microsoft's best interest and given Nokia is run by a former Microsoft executive who immediately handed Nokia to Microsoft this sound like Microsoft.
People just don't get how vicious the company is and what they'll do to stop a competitor.Qt should be forked or the poison pill dropped so the license can be taken from MS-Nokia ASAP.
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but the catch is that MS-Nokia only needs to show some progress and I'm sure that's a very ambiguous clause so therefore it can effectively stall and there's nothing any one can do about it. Get this, Qt is a threat to Microsoft because not only is it NOT a Windows only development kit it's got it's own complete SDK across other platforms. Microsoft has always been hell bent on doing everything to make sure developers are tied to the Windows platform and Qt is 180 out from that business method.
And just look at all the competitors to Microsoft on the list of Qt based products. And what was the first thing we heard from the Qt people once MS signed up with Nokia? There'll be a new version of Qt, Qt v5, and it will not be binary compatible with the v4.x branch. Really people, this is supposed to show continuity? To me it shows just the opposite, it covers the clause to prevent losing control of the Qt license and also will cause problems due to incompatibility with exiting software. If Microsoft were not involved, I'd be more likely to let them start showing the foot dragging but that is not the case. And remember, Nokia spun off the part of Qt which took in profits from SDK sales so where's the motive to keep Qt going? What they are doing is keeping the license from leaving Nokia and keeping Qt from thriving in the open market. IMO
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I might believe what the Microsoft Executive come Nokia CEO said except he said Google was a competitor. That my friend is a Microserf talking because Google does not compete with their phone hardware partners. On top of that, Microsoft has put the screws down on hardware vendors building Windows Phone 7 phones so there's little hardware _and_ software creativity to add( ie value add ). There was just a story about a PC OEM saying Microsoft is clamping down on them too. So I call bullshit on Elop and why they claimed they could not compete in the Android market space and had no choice but Microsoft.
My first thought when I read the article headline went like this, 'so this is working out just the way Microsoft planned and they'll soon be able to purchase Nokia for next to nothing.' Microsoft partners almost always end up as a pile of bones on the side of the road.
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some of us have been around the block for too many years to not have fun with this. Microsoft may have finally got a version of their OS uptimes high enough to not require redundant servers(hardware) with failover but it's taken them decades to finally do it. Not to mention the huge increase in man hours it's taken to support Windows systems. They are a joke because they earned it.
Many of us lived through the hardships of a conversion from UNIX to Windows and it has not been pretty. I'm reminded of how Microsoft themselves has quite the difficulty converting Hotmail from UNIX to Windows. It's been said it took about 2x the hardware to finally get Hotmail running on Windows instead of UNIX. You don't shake that off unless you're either a newbie, a fanboi, or both.
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and they've not planted any of their executives on the board or in high places within Skype like the Nokia deal neither. Unless we see there's cause or reason for the Microsoft-ification of Skype should start before the ink is dry, we'll have to accept that it's only fun blaming Microsoft for stuff like this.
And here's another theory based on nothing, a mass exodus of geeks from Skype who don't want to work for Microsoft either left or decided key parts of an update weren't in their best interest in bothering with. ala "oops, just kidding" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkf0nAGqi0
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come on mod'ers, that was funny.
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are you talking about Windows Phone 7 and its marketing? lol
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I wonder if this has to do with book scanning software or something in WebP which allows better search of image. can it really be just about bandwidth at the individual image level?
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regarding your sig, don't you know that feeding 15GB down a straw is WAY different than feeding 5GB down a 5" sewer line? I don't use Verizon so I'm not sure how fat the pipe really is but it's gotta be faster than the old dialup modem stuff was/is. anyways, it's all about spreading out the flow and a slow pipe makes it easier to spread the load. So not really Pathetic.
and you should have bought a Nexus One if you don't like the control the phone vendors have. They've moved the competition away from their service and onto the phone/hardware side and the public sucks it up. _that_ is pathetic.
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Mr Ballmer, will you please go back to throwing chairs around your office. This reaction makes you look like you're back on stage in front of a bunch of Microsoft developers but pissed at them.
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that's suppose to be funny right? cause otherwise he should run the version number backwards if he's going to do something dumb like that. Maybe he can bind COM into the kernel while he's at it.
learn to use 10 fingers typing and maybe it won't be so hard to Do Caps Every Now And Then.
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that's what I was thinking since they are not giving a PC with every XBox and instead it's the other way around, a free XBox with a PC. Since they still have a monopoly position in the PC OS market, isn't that is leveraging a monopoly position to benefit another product?
My guess is the timing of this is not unrelated to the end of the oversight.
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we still have an original IBM PC AT in the box up in the attic. we just can't get rid of it but it does get moved from one side of the attic to the other every now and then. Luckily we don't keep all our 5 1/4" floppy's up there. nostalgia is just tough to get rid of sometimes.
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the Death Star was cool but the copy was just a bunch of big Spaceballs. Besides, it was the super weapon which was cool, the support systems around it ended up causing its parts to be very quickly separated along with everything else around it.
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one problem I see is that Microsoft is well known for locking its developers onto their platform. This is a well known business method used on the Windows OS. Given that, why would you want to fall for using the platform they control( MS .Net) to create applications for the 2 dominant phone platforms, iOS and Android, so you can get the also-ran Windows Phone 7 and be subject to losing iOS and Android at Microsoft's whim?
.Net stuff to thwart Java because Java was cross platform. "Does anyone remember Windows" was what Bill Gates exclaimed at an internal Microsoft meeting as the development discussions on where to take Java on Windows became a heated discussion on making a better Java than others. The result of that meeting was stoppage of all current Microsoft Java projects and the beginning of binding MS Java to Windows and breaking the cross platform nature and license of Java. It was also the beginning of their attack on Borland, one of the leading language and Java tools shops at the time, and the beginning of Microsoft's Java-like platform called MS .Net.
For crying out loud, Microsoft created their
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Since Attachmate didn't sell Mono to this Xamerin group are there not two versions of Mono? That would then be a Duo. Because two Mono's don't make it right.
That reminds me, Miguel already has a dual personality with his proclaimed love of open source yet his constant admiration for everything made by Microsoft.
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there are lots and lots of "Windows shops" where they almost never venture outside of the Microsoft world. Lots of them run HyperV and do so because it means all their servers don't crash when one Windows VM crashes. It's called consolidation and improving reliability and is why virtual machines on PC hardware really kicked into full gear. Before virtual machines these Windows shops had to have one Windows software service run on its own hardware to isolate crashes and down time so that meant lots of hardware and lots of under utilized hardware at that.
so there's lots of Windows on Windows users out there running Microsoft HyperV. It would seem that a few are out there not willing to pony up for RHeL and cut over to the cheaper CentOS when they put their feet into the GNU/Linux waters. IMO, CentOS support is a no-brainer for Microsoft since it cuts into revenue which would otherwise go to Redhat and Redhat is a worthy opponent.
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as long as they use that new graphene based nano tube gravity vacuum while they're sucking the air out.
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this is just training to create the memories and skills needed when implanted into the Nexus models current being created elsewhere. As they probably say at NASA, robots? We don't need no stinking robots!
LoB
paranoid? on the contrary, over 20 years of experiencing Microsoft's business practices back my distrust that Qt has not been part of the Nokia-Microsoft marriage. As I said, the software can be run into the ground by misdirection so it only matters who controls it and Nokia kept control.
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