Then it is up to their country to negotiate their release. Standard stuff. How do you think prisoner's of war were handled during the World Wars? Since this is not a perfect world, people will get pulled in by being near the battle. That has probably happened in many wars. People unjustly accused of being spies, etc. Just because that happens does not mean that we change how things have been done.
Simple, they were captured on the battlefield. Diplomatic relations with their home country can get them released as per the usual rules of war. We have released some prisoners in GITMO to their home country already and will probably do it many times again. If the person is with the country we are in conflict with, then they will be held until the conflict ends. Pretty standard stuff. Corresponds to capture the flag rules. Does no one remember where the rules of the game came from?
Since you don't communicate with *known* terrorists, then you will never be tapped. The NSA has been tapping international communications for ages. The question has been can they pass this information on to domestic law enforcement? After 9/11 many decided that the "wall" between the NSA and domestic law enforcement was stupid and needed to be lowered.
The only difference pre-Bush or pre-9/11 is that the information from the NSA can be used in domestic law enforcement to bring a case against you. Before the case can be expanded, they still must go the FISA court. The Washington Post confirmed this in an article that cited a FISA judge that was uncomfortable with FISA warrants being used in domestic cases. But the fact remained that the FISA court was still being used.
The overhead of dealing with medical billing is insane and every clerk hired means one less nurse.
Google concierge medicine to see how the market is handling this. I just recently looked into this and am going to apply my companies FSA dollars to this system and save my insurance for bigger things.
Don't forget there has not been any refineries built in 30 years, even though there has been more types of gas that the states have required. Don't forget that not only has our demand for oil continued to grow, but the world demand has also continued to grow.
I purchased a Aeropress from Thinkgeek and it seems to work pretty good. Inexpensive, easy to use and clean. The only fault I have found is that I tried some beans from the supermarket and it made really nasty coffee. No matter how fancy a maker you have, if you have bad beans, it will not help.
We don't even have equal creation, let alone outcome- some are born into social circles that allow them to succeed, some are born into social circles that guarantee failure. The ONLY way to fix this is to end the freedom to oppress other people- take away that freedom, and things even out- we get an equal *starting* line. Outcomes should be up to the individual, but it's simply stupid to make unequal creation. Umm. You are working under a completely wrong assumption about the meaning of that declaration. The equal part is equal under the law. Now there are examples where wealth has protected people from the law, but overall, jurys do a pretty good job. Stastically people with only a public defender do well.
Equal in status will never happen. Even in communism people do not get treated equally. Certain party memebers get more food than others. I am pretty darn sure not everyone in Cuba gets the same medical attention as Casto.
True enough- it's the freedom to commit fraud. That is EXACTLY the freedom that I want ended.
It is not fraud. It is two parties agreeing on terms. Fraud only occurs when one party lies about an aspect of the transaction.
Only the retarded are driven purely by wealth creation, for they do not understand that wealth is a myth.
It is not *just* creation of wealth. In the case of the colony, it was the will to survive.
Even is you take away the possibility for a person to better themselves over others financially, us humans will still be jealous of what we don't have. For example, people would still lust after another person's spouse or girlfriend. Thus is the human condition. How will communism help the Ugly-American? Will the state pay for all cosmetic surgery so we can all become models? Probably not, because there will never be enough supply to meet demand. With rules on price there will be overwhelming demand and thus people will have to live the rest of their lives ugly. Even though the state guarantees equality in beauty. In a free market, cosmetic surgery can be expensive and limits the demand. This is how a free market works and how a market that cannot automatically compensate for supply and demand will always be an utter failure.
And the Perfect Knowledge Theory of Value is desinged to make the machines our slaves, and turn over the job of governing to AIs that aren't bothered by such idiotic and outdated motives.
Someday we might live like the characters in Star Trek. For now, we have reality. Reality is limits on resources, flawed people, fads, etc. The funny thing about your ideal is that the only way to reach it is by capital intensive means. In other works risky investments. In communism is this immoral.
Economics is an invention of mankind that can be tweaked, not a law of nature. Therefore, this is an incorrect statement- there will only be poor people as long as there are rich people- only when you allow differences between people do differences between people exist. All men are created equal- isn't it about time we made that reality?
All men are created equal, but that does not mean that all are equally smart or driven, etc. The government is not meant to guarantee outcomes, it is only there to keep people in line (laws). When you introduce a law that says that a person can only sell something for what it cost to create (labor theory of value, Marxism), the government is inserting itself into *every* transaction. Two people independently deciding what value some service or item has is freedom and is the natural way things have always been done (bartering). It was only more recently that some people decided that a free transaction was somehow immoral. They thought, incorrectly, that by doing this they could cause everyone to be equally wealthy. The problem is that people are flawed. Wealth creation is what drives people. If you take this carrot away, people do not have any incentive to create wealth. That is exactly why the colony almost died out. The free market is designed to work off people's flaws, but the Labor Theory of Value is designed to work off people's goodness. The problem is that people are not good. No tweaking will fix inherent human traits. Putting some chairman in charge only makes the impact of the flaws more dramatic.
As I remember, they also failed to take into account the stores and supplies that they'd need. They believed the idea of America as a land of Eden- where food would already be planted for the picking.
Again, centrally managed economies do not work. When people had to worry about their own lives everyone benefited.
And yet, the homeless are still with us, the hungry are still here, and 40 million people are going without basic preventative medical care that they'd get anywhere else in the world. If this is free market benefits- then there's a lot of people the free market has to answer to.
There will always be poor, always. Again, no system is perfect, but communism makes everyone equally poor. Just ask the people in N. Korea, Cuba, or any other place this has been tried. Even with the imperfections of the free market, the US has a very nice standard of living. Even the poor are not poor by the rest of the world's standards.
Why do you want to push for something that is provably broken?
One, a small distributist colony, say 500 people arranged according to the Rule of St. Benedict. The other- a truly free market unencumbered by money or ownership, with a perfect computerized communication system to supercharge the connections between distributed thinkers. I think we'd end up with both groups achieving a level of happiness that other communities can't even approach. The first from the joy of KNOWING one's place in the universe- the second from the joy of CREATING one's place in the universe.
There was an similar experiment. In the cooperative system the people almost died out completely. So by next Winter they required each person to grow their own food and barter with others in the colony. The abundance of food was so overwhelming that its impact is still known to this day. We named a day for it: Thanksgiving. It was when people were required (as in do or let yourself die) to work in their own self interest did everyone benefit.
If you can not see the how a free market benefits everyone participating in the economy, then you are blind. How long did the Soviet Union sustain more than a year of economic growth? Denying that a free market benefits everyone in the market is like trying to deny gravity.
Too bad none of the communist theories have panned out. On the other hand the free exchange of products and services (including labor) and the private ownership of property have created huge economies that have benefited a great many people. Not theory, but practice. No system will turn out perfect results (depending on how you define "perfect"), but the free market made up of many distributed thinkers (a distributed supercomputer) can get closer to perfection than one single chairman can.... and that is why we have LED's in almost every stinking electronic device these days. Motivation to sell something and the consumer's desire to buy something. No oppression, just blinkenlights! Oh yeah!
As far as I know, only some states have laws stating that CDR's are owned by the customer and not owned by the phone company. If they are owned by the phone company, they can do whatever they want with them. They can sell them. They can give them away. They can give them to the government. Traditionally CDR's have always been owned by the phone companies. It's only more recent years that people have spoken up and wanted those records to be owned by the customers so information cannot be sold to marketing companies.
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I think the thing they were going for in gnome is to start integrating, not just password management, but identity management. Thus, Gnome's new feature manages both gpg and ssh keys.
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KDE's KWallet has offered similar support for years. In combination with other KDE programs, such as the KMail mail client and the Kopete instant messenging software, KDE users have had access to such features for ages.
I did not see in the KWallet docs (http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeutils/kwallet/in dex.html) anything about it being a frontend to gpg. KWallet appears to be closer to the gnome password manager than the newer gpg management feature. Since I removed KDE from my system a year and a half ago, I cannot verify this.
These features were supported back in KDE 2!
I didn't see anything in the KDE 2 notes about supporting vertical text. Though it could be they didn't specifically mention it.
Yep, KDE has offered such functionality for years. KDevelop is an extremely mature software development environment. It's of a far higher quality than Anjuta, and offers a far greater number of features.
Most definately true. KDevelop is a pretty nice program.
Ummm. Aren't Verizon and Sprint's networks considered 3G? They have both deployed EV-DO networks that are considered 3G. Cingular is launching their HSDPA right now. HSDPA is considered 3.5G. Where do you live in the US that you are not near a Sprint, Verizon, or Cingular network?
What has been nice for Sprint is that they have been able to re-use their spectrum for each upgrade without having to purchase more spectrum or shift things around. Europe's networks have adopted their own flavor of CDMA. This is a testament to Qualcomm's solid idea. Sprint must be given some credit to taking a risk in the early days and using an unproven idea. It has sure payed off.
Sprint also has announced that they are working on going with 802.16 for their next generation network. I do not know how far along they are, but I am pretty sure it's more than just talk. They have always had a competitive data network and I'm sure they want to stay competitive.
So yes, the road warriors in the US *can* use things like Google Apps. The bandwidth *is* there and getting better and better.
I purchased a metal halide lamp for the main room in my house. This room is lit up all evening so there is no problem with the re-strike time that are normally a problem with MH bulbs. The bulb is only 68-watts, has a good color index, and is slightly *brighter* than the *300-watt* halogen that it replaced. It was an easy choice for this particular room. I wish there were more companies making MH fixtures for homes. So far I can only find one company, Microsun (http://www.microsun.com) that makes fixtures for the home.
The book seemed to cover two things. One is the point that environmentalist organizations can just as easily get caught up in money as any other "evil" corporation. That point rings true to me. People are people whether they are passionate about environmental causes or a product that their company produces. In fact, I would expect more blind devotion to an environmentalist organization than the average company since the "product" is such a good idea. Thus main story plot.
The second point of the book pointed out how some people are in predicting imminent disaster. The extreme predictions people have been making over the years have not materialized. Eventually the predictions may come about, but we still do no know enough about the planet to know for sure.
If I recall correctly, the book does not deny global warming, it just questions the methodology in the science of global climate. He calls for a more careful acquisition of the data and double blind processing of that data. In otherwords.... ummm.... science!
I haven't really played games in years. Just too many other things to do. Then I got a Wii and it's been a ton of fun. After getting the Wii I decided to pick up a DS and found that Super Mario Brothers is a ton of fun! Brain Age is unique. Hotel Dusk is great, reminds me of the adventure games I used to play on the PC years ago.
The PS2 is now looking interesting to me since there are some really unique games on the system. I don't see a lot of unique games for the XBox. I know there is a huge hard-core XBox contingent, but it just doesn't wow me like the Wii did.
If something spinning at a high rate of speed (top, fan, etc) cannot reveal a flicker, then there is no flicker. At that point I would say that they are indeed imagining it. I can see when things flicker, but modern CFL are not something I notice flicker in anymore.
Yes, I know that MH is not fluorescent. I was just giving yet another lighting option. I love MH lights. But they do have drawbacks that the CFL's do not have. The main one being the re-strike and start times. Car's with MH lights in them use higher voltage (4,000volts) to get the re-strike time down. It would be interesting to see if the headlight variation could be adapted to home lighting like MicroSun did with standard MH bulbs.
For rooms that are lit for long periods of time, a MH light works just fine. But for rooms like bathrooms I wouldn't work that well.
What I do like about MH is that they are very bright, low power, and have great color index. They can be purchased with almost any color temp from 3,000K to 10,000K. I hear the 10,000K ones are using in salt water fish tanks because it not only produces wonderful light for the fish and plants, but also creates sharp ripple effects in the water. This is due to the small light source (an arc) compared to fluorescent tubes.
I too have to set a CRT at or above 85hz, but again, a CFL is waaaaaaaaay higher (20,000Hz). I firmly believe it is psycological for people to think they see the blink at 20,000Hz. Now if you want to complain about the color index or temperature, then yes, I agree those are very good points. But the blinking!? Come on!
I wonder if people, like me, notice all the blinking LED's on cars these days? LED's dim by blinking at a high rate of speed. For example, the "sleep" light on the Apple notebooks. Or the tailights are cars that are not breaking.
I too can immediately see 60Hz. It is waaaaaaaay annoying to me. If you use a CRT, what refresh do you use? I would be interested to know. No setting on a CRT will match the rate of a modern CFL by a *wide* margin. If you can sit in front of a CRT, then you can use a CFL.
I do a spin test to get an idea on what the flicker rate is. With modern CFL's I can spin a top and *barely* see a flicker pattern. In corporate lighting with multiple bulbs I cannot see the flicker at all, even *with* a fast spinning top. I'm the first one around here that notices when a bulb is going since I can pick up when it is starting to flicker, so I know my eyes can detect flicker, but I just don't see how a proper functioning fixture can bother people these days. Especially people that have been in computers before the era of LCD's! I wonder how computer users got through the 80's!
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Then it is up to their country to negotiate their release. Standard stuff. How do you think prisoner's of war were handled during the World Wars? Since this is not a perfect world, people will get pulled in by being near the battle. That has probably happened in many wars. People unjustly accused of being spies, etc. Just because that happens does not mean that we change how things have been done.
Simple, they were captured on the battlefield. Diplomatic relations with their home country can get them released as per the usual rules of war. We have released some prisoners in GITMO to their home country already and will probably do it many times again. If the person is with the country we are in conflict with, then they will be held until the conflict ends. Pretty standard stuff. Corresponds to capture the flag rules. Does no one remember where the rules of the game came from?
Since you don't communicate with *known* terrorists, then you will never be tapped. The NSA has been tapping international communications for ages. The question has been can they pass this information on to domestic law enforcement? After 9/11 many decided that the "wall" between the NSA and domestic law enforcement was stupid and needed to be lowered.
The only difference pre-Bush or pre-9/11 is that the information from the NSA can be used in domestic law enforcement to bring a case against you. Before the case can be expanded, they still must go the FISA court. The Washington Post confirmed this in an article that cited a FISA judge that was uncomfortable with FISA warrants being used in domestic cases. But the fact remained that the FISA court was still being used.
The overhead of dealing with medical billing is insane and every clerk hired means one less nurse.
Google concierge medicine to see how the market is handling this. I just recently looked into this and am going to apply my companies FSA dollars to this system and save my insurance for bigger things.
..,under Trusted Solaris? Or how about a container that provides a trusted environment? Explain.
Don't forget there has not been any refineries built in 30 years, even though there has been more types of gas that the states have required. Don't forget that not only has our demand for oil continued to grow, but the world demand has also continued to grow.
I purchased a Aeropress from Thinkgeek and it seems to work pretty good. Inexpensive, easy to use and clean. The only fault I have found is that I tried some beans from the supermarket and it made really nasty coffee. No matter how fancy a maker you have, if you have bad beans, it will not help.
We don't even have equal creation, let alone outcome- some are born into social circles that allow them to succeed, some are born into social circles that guarantee failure. The ONLY way to fix this is to end the freedom to oppress other people- take away that freedom, and things even out- we get an equal *starting* line. Outcomes should be up to the individual, but it's simply stupid to make unequal creation.
Umm. You are working under a completely wrong assumption about the meaning of that declaration. The equal part is equal under the law. Now there are examples where wealth has protected people from the law, but overall, jurys do a pretty good job. Stastically people with only a public defender do well.
Equal in status will never happen. Even in communism people do not get treated equally. Certain party memebers get more food than others. I am pretty darn sure not everyone in Cuba gets the same medical attention as Casto.
True enough- it's the freedom to commit fraud. That is EXACTLY the freedom that I want ended.
It is not fraud. It is two parties agreeing on terms. Fraud only occurs when one party lies about an aspect of the transaction.
Only the retarded are driven purely by wealth creation, for they do not understand that wealth is a myth.
It is not *just* creation of wealth. In the case of the colony, it was the will to survive.
Even is you take away the possibility for a person to better themselves over others financially, us humans will still be jealous of what we don't have. For example, people would still lust after another person's spouse or girlfriend. Thus is the human condition. How will communism help the Ugly-American? Will the state pay for all cosmetic surgery so we can all become models? Probably not, because there will never be enough supply to meet demand. With rules on price there will be overwhelming demand and thus people will have to live the rest of their lives ugly. Even though the state guarantees equality in beauty. In a free market, cosmetic surgery can be expensive and limits the demand. This is how a free market works and how a market that cannot automatically compensate for supply and demand will always be an utter failure.
And the Perfect Knowledge Theory of Value is desinged to make the machines our slaves, and turn over the job of governing to AIs that aren't bothered by such idiotic and outdated motives.
Someday we might live like the characters in Star Trek. For now, we have reality. Reality is limits on resources, flawed people, fads, etc. The funny thing about your ideal is that the only way to reach it is by capital intensive means. In other works risky investments. In communism is this immoral.
Economics is an invention of mankind that can be tweaked, not a law of nature. Therefore, this is an incorrect statement- there will only be poor people as long as there are rich people- only when you allow differences between people do differences between people exist. All men are created equal- isn't it about time we made that reality?
All men are created equal, but that does not mean that all are equally smart or driven, etc. The government is not meant to guarantee outcomes, it is only there to keep people in line (laws). When you introduce a law that says that a person can only sell something for what it cost to create (labor theory of value, Marxism), the government is inserting itself into *every* transaction. Two people independently deciding what value some service or item has is freedom and is the natural way things have always been done (bartering). It was only more recently that some people decided that a free transaction was somehow immoral. They thought, incorrectly, that by doing this they could cause everyone to be equally wealthy. The problem is that people are flawed. Wealth creation is what drives people. If you take this carrot away, people do not have any incentive to create wealth. That is exactly why the colony almost died out. The free market is designed to work off people's flaws, but the Labor Theory of Value is designed to work off people's goodness. The problem is that people are not good. No tweaking will fix inherent human traits. Putting some chairman in charge only makes the impact of the flaws more dramatic.
As I remember, they also failed to take into account the stores and supplies that they'd need. They believed the idea of America as a land of Eden- where food would already be planted for the picking.
Again, centrally managed economies do not work. When people had to worry about their own lives everyone benefited.
And yet, the homeless are still with us, the hungry are still here, and 40 million people are going without basic preventative medical care that they'd get anywhere else in the world. If this is free market benefits- then there's a lot of people the free market has to answer to.
There will always be poor, always. Again, no system is perfect, but communism makes everyone equally poor. Just ask the people in N. Korea, Cuba, or any other place this has been tried. Even with the imperfections of the free market, the US has a very nice standard of living. Even the poor are not poor by the rest of the world's standards.
Why do you want to push for something that is provably broken?
One, a small distributist colony, say 500 people arranged according to the Rule of St. Benedict. The other- a truly free market unencumbered by money or ownership, with a perfect computerized communication system to supercharge the connections between distributed thinkers. I think we'd end up with both groups achieving a level of happiness that other communities can't even approach. The first from the joy of KNOWING one's place in the universe- the second from the joy of CREATING one's place in the universe.
There was an similar experiment. In the cooperative system the people almost died out completely. So by next Winter they required each person to grow their own food and barter with others in the colony. The abundance of food was so overwhelming that its impact is still known to this day. We named a day for it: Thanksgiving. It was when people were required (as in do or let yourself die) to work in their own self interest did everyone benefit.
If you can not see the how a free market benefits everyone participating in the economy, then you are blind. How long did the Soviet Union sustain more than a year of economic growth? Denying that a free market benefits everyone in the market is like trying to deny gravity.
Too bad none of the communist theories have panned out. On the other hand the free exchange of products and services (including labor) and the private ownership of property have created huge economies that have benefited a great many people. Not theory, but practice. No system will turn out perfect results (depending on how you define "perfect"), but the free market made up of many distributed thinkers (a distributed supercomputer) can get closer to perfection than one single chairman can. ... and that is why we have LED's in almost every stinking electronic device these days. Motivation to sell something and the consumer's desire to buy something. No oppression, just blinkenlights! Oh yeah!
It's a legal loophole. In most states, you do not own your CDR, the phone company does. Since they own it, they can do whatever they want with it.
As far as I know, only some states have laws stating that CDR's are owned by the customer and not owned by the phone company. If they are owned by the phone company, they can do whatever they want with them. They can sell them. They can give them away. They can give them to the government. Traditionally CDR's have always been owned by the phone companies. It's only more recent years that people have spoken up and wanted those records to be owned by the customers so information cannot be sold to marketing companies.
I think the thing they were going for in gnome is to start integrating, not just password management, but identity management. Thus, Gnome's new feature manages both gpg and ssh keys.
KDE's KWallet has offered similar support for years. In combination with other KDE programs, such as the KMail mail client and the Kopete instant messenging software, KDE users have had access to such features for ages.
n dex.html) anything about it being a frontend to gpg. KWallet appears to be closer to the gnome password manager than the newer gpg management feature. Since I removed KDE from my system a year and a half ago, I cannot verify this.
I did not see in the KWallet docs (http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeutils/kwallet/i
These features were supported back in KDE 2!
I didn't see anything in the KDE 2 notes about supporting vertical text. Though it could be they didn't specifically mention it.
Yep, KDE has offered such functionality for years. KDevelop is an extremely mature software development environment. It's of a far higher quality than Anjuta, and offers a far greater number of features.
Most definately true. KDevelop is a pretty nice program.
Ummm. Aren't Verizon and Sprint's networks considered 3G? They have both deployed EV-DO networks that are considered 3G. Cingular is launching their HSDPA right now. HSDPA is considered 3.5G. Where do you live in the US that you are not near a Sprint, Verizon, or Cingular network?
What has been nice for Sprint is that they have been able to re-use their spectrum for each upgrade without having to purchase more spectrum or shift things around. Europe's networks have adopted their own flavor of CDMA. This is a testament to Qualcomm's solid idea. Sprint must be given some credit to taking a risk in the early days and using an unproven idea. It has sure payed off.
Sprint also has announced that they are working on going with 802.16 for their next generation network. I do not know how far along they are, but I am pretty sure it's more than just talk. They have always had a competitive data network and I'm sure they want to stay competitive.
So yes, the road warriors in the US *can* use things like Google Apps. The bandwidth *is* there and getting better and better.
I purchased a metal halide lamp for the main room in my house. This room is lit up all evening so there is no problem with the re-strike time that are normally a problem with MH bulbs. The bulb is only 68-watts, has a good color index, and is slightly *brighter* than the *300-watt* halogen that it replaced. It was an easy choice for this particular room. I wish there were more companies making MH fixtures for homes. So far I can only find one company, Microsun (http://www.microsun.com) that makes fixtures for the home.
Why isn't there an IP transmission option for faxes?
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I guess T.38 is the closest to this. It is a protocol that converts fax signals to IP data and back to fax signals again.
The book seemed to cover two things. One is the point that environmentalist organizations can just as easily get caught up in money as any other "evil" corporation. That point rings true to me. People are people whether they are passionate about environmental causes or a product that their company produces. In fact, I would expect more blind devotion to an environmentalist organization than the average company since the "product" is such a good idea. Thus main story plot.
The second point of the book pointed out how some people are in predicting imminent disaster. The extreme predictions people have been making over the years have not materialized. Eventually the predictions may come about, but we still do no know enough about the planet to know for sure.
If I recall correctly, the book does not deny global warming, it just questions the methodology in the science of global climate. He calls for a more careful acquisition of the data and double blind processing of that data. In otherwords.... ummm.... science!
Sounds familier!
I haven't really played games in years. Just too many other things to do. Then I got a Wii and it's been a ton of fun. After getting the Wii I decided to pick up a DS and found that Super Mario Brothers is a ton of fun! Brain Age is unique. Hotel Dusk is great, reminds me of the adventure games I used to play on the PC years ago.
The PS2 is now looking interesting to me since there are some really unique games on the system. I don't see a lot of unique games for the XBox. I know there is a huge hard-core XBox contingent, but it just doesn't wow me like the Wii did.
If something spinning at a high rate of speed (top, fan, etc) cannot reveal a flicker, then there is no flicker. At that point I would say that they are indeed imagining it. I can see when things flicker, but modern CFL are not something I notice flicker in anymore.
LED taillights I *do* notice the flicker on!
Yes, I know that MH is not fluorescent. I was just giving yet another lighting option. I love MH lights. But they do have drawbacks that the CFL's do not have. The main one being the re-strike and start times. Car's with MH lights in them use higher voltage (4,000volts) to get the re-strike time down. It would be interesting to see if the headlight variation could be adapted to home lighting like MicroSun did with standard MH bulbs.
For rooms that are lit for long periods of time, a MH light works just fine. But for rooms like bathrooms I wouldn't work that well.
What I do like about MH is that they are very bright, low power, and have great color index. They can be purchased with almost any color temp from 3,000K to 10,000K. I hear the 10,000K ones are using in salt water fish tanks because it not only produces wonderful light for the fish and plants, but also creates sharp ripple effects in the water. This is due to the small light source (an arc) compared to fluorescent tubes.
I too have to set a CRT at or above 85hz, but again, a CFL is waaaaaaaaay higher (20,000Hz). I firmly believe it is psycological for people to think they see the blink at 20,000Hz. Now if you want to complain about the color index or temperature, then yes, I agree those are very good points. But the blinking!? Come on!
I wonder if people, like me, notice all the blinking LED's on cars these days? LED's dim by blinking at a high rate of speed. For example, the "sleep" light on the Apple notebooks. Or the tailights are cars that are not breaking.
I too can immediately see 60Hz. It is waaaaaaaay annoying to me. If you use a CRT, what refresh do you use? I would be interested to know. No setting on a CRT will match the rate of a modern CFL by a *wide* margin. If you can sit in front of a CRT, then you can use a CFL.
I do a spin test to get an idea on what the flicker rate is. With modern CFL's I can spin a top and *barely* see a flicker pattern. In corporate lighting with multiple bulbs I cannot see the flicker at all, even *with* a fast spinning top. I'm the first one around here that notices when a bulb is going since I can pick up when it is starting to flicker, so I know my eyes can detect flicker, but I just don't see how a proper functioning fixture can bother people these days. Especially people that have been in computers before the era of LCD's! I wonder how computer users got through the 80's!