> I'm hard pressed to think of anything really innovative Microsoft has done in years -- mostly they look at what others are doing and copy it (or buy it).
I was going to make flippant remark as I am not in love with CyanogenMod music player (I am a vanilla Music Player Fan). I like CyanogenMod because it is basically stock Android, and this is another deviation from that.
lol.. nobody besides samsung is making any real money... go look it up.
android is like the kiss of death for most manufacturers
Except its not true:) In fact the reverse is true. The financial statements are out for all the major companies. Do you know how I know its true, because they continue to make phones while posting profits, and would not be able to do so at a loss...not everybody has a sugar daddy like Microsoft to subside each of your phones like Nokia:) and still make a loss.
Putting lots of love in front does not make it true.
The latests shipments show Apple barely growing, Samsung nicely growing
Not sure where you are getting your figures but neither of these are true IDC http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24239313 show Samsung market share flat for about forever at around 30% with a slight dip this quarter...and Apples market share plummeting to an all time low of 13% even with its better than expected iPhone sales.
That's short sighted. A company should always fear when a hundred million potential customers are no longer funnelled through Google services.
Except Microsoft Scream Antitrust when Google does not put applications on their dead platform, and Apples top Applications are Google Maps+Google Youtube (they also pocket and alledged $1 Billion for having Google as default search. Android may be a platform...but google have created a platform within a platform with some incredible first party applications.
I am not saying Google should not be aware of Samsungs dominance in Android phones, but they certainly shouldn't fear them...that would be weird, but Google *never* intended to make money directly from Android..they are just in a cake and eat it situation.
> Except Google is not interested in money, they are interested in advertising space.
Did you actually read what you wrote?
Yes, If you don't understand that *Google* spent $12.5Billion on acquiring patents to protect Android...Its mobile platform...to deliver advertising on. Not to become a Patent Rapist like Nokiasoft.
Its never gets mentioned but Google get about $700m a year in tax deductions from future profits each year through 2019. It got a further set-top box business to Arris Group for $2.35bn and offloaded Motorola Home getting a 15.7 per cent or so stake in broadband technology firm Arris plus $2.05bn in cash. Some estimates put eh cost to Cost Google as low as $1.5 Billion http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/12/22/did-motorola-mobility-only-cost-google-1-5-billion/ and it got Motorola's 12.5k issued patents and 7500 patent applications.
FRAND patents are the only patents actually worth anything, because they earn you regular licensing income over a very long period of time.
Except Google is not interested in money, they are interested in advertising space. Your Apple(and Patent troll Microsoft) has abused FRAND licensing, and expecting band Android manufactures products on a few interface patents(and Microsoft Protection Money). It has been very successful for Apple
Your Apple committed a serious home goal as a Design(sic) company, as cross licensing of real technological innovation will happen behind closed doors. I get the feeling Apple is not going to invited to these back room meetings. I think we will see a lot of anti trust cases in future, with Apples abuse frandf licensing being used as an excuse.
The bottom line is Google Bought Mototrola for $12.5 Billion(ok less with tax breaks and parts sold off) its not going to worry about what it could make from a few cents cross licensing patents...when Nokia+Microsoft have set up a patent troll company, and Apple(And Microsoft) have attacked most of its OEMS.
I thought the Note came with some nice drawing/note taking apps that were unique to the system.
Hold on you announced "Samsung is doing a better job of improving Android than Google is." and now you can barely list any improvements that Samsung bring.
Android is about its killer First Party Applications, Even your precious Apple is lost without them. Microsoft is screaming anti trust without them. I wouldn't buy a phone without them.
Samsung bring a few nice touches to its custom android *interface*, that is worlds apart from replacing Google on custom Android.
motorola mobility had shit all none of good patents left... it was destined for burn.
...but Google own a hardware manufacturing company capable of generating more patents, and those will not be squandered on Frand patents this time. That is ignoring the fact they still have literally thousand of patents to Mine...and thousands more pending.
As for it being destined to burn. I think Motorola have finally Generated interest around their *assembled in America*(A mistake Apple have made) Moto X that the CEO has been flashing around being launched in just a few days. If its as cheap (and close to stock) as many are hoping including me. Motorola are back in the game. It looks to have some fun features like it being more aware. It knows your driving a car etc and it will use two separate processors to help improve battery life.
The big deal is Google is expected to spend US$500 million in marketing the Moto X so it looks like they have a product they believe in.
I'm not sure I agree http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24093213 Samsung is the most popular tablet maker after Apple with about 15% of the market...and rising(flat this quarter). Whether it deserves it is another matter.
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-play-edition-htc-one-galaxy-s4 Its interesting that the article points out how Samsung is moving away from Stock Android, but fails to point out that they are offering stock android as an option, because people desire just that, and they are not the only company doing so.
On microsoft. It's just a bit slow to being widely adopted.
Nokia announced they sell 80% of Windows phones, Which occupy 4% of the Smartphone market. Its probably safe to assume the other 1% is not taken up by samsung Microsoft phones, but even if it is. Its not looking like a viable alternative for Samsung any time soon.
As more features are added to new versions of Android from Google it takes longer for Samsung to merge its changes into that new version
Why? I hate to say it but as a programmer, I would find it shocking if there is not a massive move towards making sure that as little work as possible is needed in making sure that Samsung changes are not trivial to apply.
I find it even more surprising considering that Android is pretty modular in the interface, You can swap all interface elements, many are sold in their play store I own several.
I find it even more surprising again In fact Google is moving most of their first party applications out of the core OS, making it easy to update whatever version of Android you are running.
Unless Samsung become an advertising company, Google has nothing to fear from Samsung becoming completely independent from google. Googles main rivals is Facebook and maybe Amazon and that is not going to change any time soon.
In fact maybe slightly off topic its interesting to note that Google Chromecast is a dirt-cheap wireless video dongle that streams Netflix a company I thought of as direct competitive with Google Play
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013 by IDC's last figures 32.5Million shiments. Blackberry is suffering right now, but they are sill selling lots of phones. The trend is the real problem...its down.
A minute to check a fact...you need a quad core...and a larger screen...maybe on the next refresh.
They are not using iPhones http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013 IDC's latest figures show Apple market share at 20% with Android at 70%. Apples highlight of its quarterly reporting was its iPhone sales were down from last quarter...but still better than expected (its other products a disaster) showing its incredible resilience in America...and its strategy of providing the 4S at a lower price(everywhere else was a disaster...China particularly bad).
The new "lighting" connector is very solid and handy, contrary to micro USB.
Its designed that way for obvious reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Mini_and_Micro_connectors "The Micro plug design is rated for at least 10,000 connect-disconnect cycles—significantly more than the Mini plug design.[38] It is also designed to reduce the mechanical wear on the device; instead the easier-to-replace cable is designed to bear the mechanical wear of connection and disconnection"
I notice you are too cowardly to point out sales number for ANY other PC maker over the same quarters by comparison...
Perhaps you should google it, and use it reinforce your point. Personally I'm made up with Googles 70Million tablet activations. For PC shipments International Data Corporation and Gartner, both industry analyst firms have figures out. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/lenovo-is-top-supplier-as-global-pc-sales-fall/?_r=0 "Apple’s Mac computers were third, with 1.8 million units sold, a drop of 0.5 percent. Lenovo had a sales increase of 19.6 percent, to 1.5 million units, I.D.C. said. The Gartner numbers were roughly similar, though Gartner recorded a sharper sales drop for Apple."
Honestly, they're doing a better job of this than Google....
The inclusion of thunderbolt is a disadvantage of the Apple PC's USB3 continues to steal Thunderbolt’s thunder. Its why Apple doesn't work with all kinds of peripherals...and has none built in. The Average customer never bought Apple...and those that do buy it less.
Google has growing market-share with its chromebooks. Apple could have gone for Microsoft throat, but contine to think ripping of its customers is best for its profits.
Indeed I am a stockholder, so my focus is on them retaining their margins.
The you must be disappointed as those have shrunk too. Although hilariously perhaps your opinion is less important considering apples market share has crashed 38%. Perhaps shafting their customers is not working.
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> I'm hard pressed to think of anything really innovative Microsoft has done in years -- mostly they look at what others are doing and copy it (or buy it).
Kinect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrimeSense Kinect hardware licensed from Primesense
I was going to make flippant remark as I am not in love with CyanogenMod music player (I am a vanilla Music Player Fan). I like CyanogenMod because it is basically stock Android, and this is another deviation from that.
Whay I didnt realise is CyanogenMod has received a takedown Notice under DMCA from DxO Labs SA https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2013-03-12-DxO-Labs.md for allegedly using its code unlicensed.
Better article here http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-focal-camera-app-nemesis looks great..shame about that icon.
lol.. nobody besides samsung is making any real money... go look it up.
android is like the kiss of death for most manufacturers
Except its not true :) In fact the reverse is true. The financial statements are out for all the major companies. Do you know how I know its true, because they continue to make phones while posting profits, and would not be able to do so at a loss...not everybody has a sugar daddy like Microsoft to subside each of your phones like Nokia :) and still make a loss.
Putting lots of love in front does not make it true.
The latests shipments show Apple barely growing, Samsung nicely growing
Not sure where you are getting your figures but neither of these are true IDC http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24239313 show Samsung market share flat for about forever at around 30% with a slight dip this quarter...and Apples market share plummeting to an all time low of 13% even with its better than expected iPhone sales.
That's short sighted. A company should always fear when a hundred million potential customers are no longer funnelled through Google services.
Except Microsoft Scream Antitrust when Google does not put applications on their dead platform, and Apples top Applications are Google Maps+Google Youtube (they also pocket and alledged $1 Billion for having Google as default search. Android may be a platform...but google have created a platform within a platform with some incredible first party applications.
I am not saying Google should not be aware of Samsungs dominance in Android phones, but they certainly shouldn't fear them...that would be weird, but Google *never* intended to make money directly from Android..they are just in a cake and eat it situation.
> Except Google is not interested in money, they are interested in advertising space.
Did you actually read what you wrote?
Yes, If you don't understand that *Google* spent $12.5Billion on acquiring patents to protect Android...Its mobile platform...to deliver advertising on. Not to become a Patent Rapist like Nokiasoft.
Its never gets mentioned but Google get about $700m a year in tax deductions from future profits each year through 2019. It got a further set-top box business to Arris Group for $2.35bn and offloaded Motorola Home getting a 15.7 per cent or so stake in broadband technology firm Arris plus $2.05bn in cash. Some estimates put eh cost to Cost Google as low as $1.5 Billion http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/12/22/did-motorola-mobility-only-cost-google-1-5-billion/ and it got Motorola's 12.5k issued patents and 7500 patent applications.
In the real world, you have *either* competition *or* interoperability.
Hardware USB, SATA, HDMI, WIFI 802.11 standards
Software OpenGL ES, JAVA, HTML5
FRAND patents are the only patents actually worth anything, because they earn you regular licensing income over a very long period of time.
Except Google is not interested in money, they are interested in advertising space. Your Apple(and Patent troll Microsoft) has abused FRAND licensing, and expecting band Android manufactures products on a few interface patents(and Microsoft Protection Money). It has been very successful for Apple
Your Apple committed a serious home goal as a Design(sic) company, as cross licensing of real technological innovation will happen behind closed doors. I get the feeling Apple is not going to invited to these back room meetings. I think we will see a lot of anti trust cases in future, with Apples abuse frandf licensing being used as an excuse.
The bottom line is Google Bought Mototrola for $12.5 Billion(ok less with tax breaks and parts sold off) its not going to worry about what it could make from a few cents cross licensing patents...when Nokia+Microsoft have set up a patent troll company, and Apple(And Microsoft) have attacked most of its OEMS.
I thought the Note came with some nice drawing/note taking apps that were unique to the system.
Hold on you announced "Samsung is doing a better job of improving Android than Google is." and now you can barely list any improvements that Samsung bring.
Android is about its killer First Party Applications, Even your precious Apple is lost without them. Microsoft is screaming anti trust without them. I wouldn't buy a phone without them.
Samsung bring a few nice touches to its custom android *interface*, that is worlds apart from replacing Google on custom Android.
motorola mobility had shit all none of good patents left... it was destined for burn.
...but Google own a hardware manufacturing company capable of generating more patents, and those will not be squandered on Frand patents this time. That is ignoring the fact they still have literally thousand of patents to Mine...and thousands more pending.
As for it being destined to burn. I think Motorola have finally Generated interest around their *assembled in America*(A mistake Apple have made) Moto X that the CEO has been flashing around being launched in just a few days. If its as cheap (and close to stock) as many are hoping including me. Motorola are back in the game. It looks to have some fun features like it being more aware. It knows your driving a car etc and it will use two separate processors to help improve battery life.
The big deal is Google is expected to spend US$500 million in marketing the Moto X so it looks like they have a product they believe in.
I'm not sure I agree http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24093213 Samsung is the most popular tablet maker after Apple with about 15% of the market...and rising(flat this quarter). Whether it deserves it is another matter.
A year too late..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history A quick look shows 4.1.2 only released October last year. 4.2.2 was released in February.
Samsung plan on skipping a version. I am not sure I am against that strategy, and could see a whole host of reasons why they would do so.
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-play-edition-htc-one-galaxy-s4 Its interesting that the article points out how Samsung is moving away from Stock Android, but fails to point out that they are offering stock android as an option, because people desire just that, and they are not the only company doing so.
On microsoft. It's just a bit slow to being widely adopted.
Nokia announced they sell 80% of Windows phones, Which occupy 4% of the Smartphone market. Its probably safe to assume the other 1% is not taken up by samsung Microsoft phones, but even if it is. Its not looking like a viable alternative for Samsung any time soon.
http://www.ibtimes.com/android-43-update-nears-samsung-galaxy-s3-leaked-photo-shows-device-running-googles-new-os-1355843 It looks like it will be running 4.3 in future skipping 4.2.2
As more features are added to new versions of Android from Google it takes longer for Samsung to merge its changes into that new version
Why? I hate to say it but as a programmer, I would find it shocking if there is not a massive move towards making sure that as little work as possible is needed in making sure that Samsung changes are not trivial to apply.
I find it even more surprising considering that Android is pretty modular in the interface, You can swap all interface elements, many are sold in their play store I own several.
I find it even more surprising again In fact Google is moving most of their first party applications out of the core OS, making it easy to update whatever version of Android you are running.
Samsung is doing a better job of improving Android than Google is.
Except its interesting to note that Samsung have started offering Google Play Edition Phone due to demand for it. HTC has also a Google Play edition.
Where are the Samsungs compelling first party Apps? A quick search on Google Play https://play.google.com/store/search?q=samsung&c=apps shows a couple of nice Applications to use with your Samsung smart tv and nothing else. Google Inc is a different story https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Google+Inc.
Unless Samsung become an advertising company, Google has nothing to fear from Samsung becoming completely independent from google. Googles main rivals is Facebook and maybe Amazon and that is not going to change any time soon.
In fact maybe slightly off topic its interesting to note that Google Chromecast is a dirt-cheap wireless video dongle that streams Netflix a company I thought of as direct competitive with Google Play
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013 by IDC's last figures 32.5Million shiments. Blackberry is suffering right now, but they are sill selling lots of phones. The trend is the real problem...its down.
Just a minute, I'll check for that on my iPhone.
A minute to check a fact...you need a quad core...and a larger screen...maybe on the next refresh.
They are not using iPhones http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23946013 IDC's latest figures show Apple market share at 20% with Android at 70%. Apples highlight of its quarterly reporting was its iPhone sales were down from last quarter...but still better than expected (its other products a disaster) showing its incredible resilience in America...and its strategy of providing the 4S at a lower price(everywhere else was a disaster...China particularly bad).
The new "lighting" connector is very solid and handy, contrary to micro USB.
Its designed that way for obvious reasons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Mini_and_Micro_connectors
"The Micro plug design is rated for at least 10,000 connect-disconnect cycles—significantly more than the Mini plug design.[38] It is also designed to reduce the mechanical wear on the device; instead the easier-to-replace cable is designed to bear the mechanical wear of connection and disconnection"
I notice you are too cowardly to point out sales number for ANY other PC maker over the same quarters by comparison...
Perhaps you should google it, and use it reinforce your point. Personally I'm made up with Googles 70Million tablet activations. For PC shipments International Data Corporation and Gartner, both industry analyst firms have figures out. http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/lenovo-is-top-supplier-as-global-pc-sales-fall/?_r=0 "Apple’s Mac computers were third, with 1.8 million units sold, a drop of 0.5 percent. Lenovo had a sales increase of 19.6 percent, to 1.5 million units, I.D.C. said. The Gartner numbers were roughly similar, though Gartner recorded a sharper sales drop for Apple."
Honestly, they're doing a better job of this than Google....
The inclusion of thunderbolt is a disadvantage of the Apple PC's USB3 continues to steal Thunderbolt’s thunder. Its why Apple doesn't work with all kinds of peripherals...and has none built in. The Average customer never bought Apple...and those that do buy it less.
Google has growing market-share with its chromebooks. Apple could have gone for Microsoft throat, but contine to think ripping of its customers is best for its profits.
Indeed I am a stockholder, so my focus is on them retaining their margins.
The you must be disappointed as those have shrunk too. Although hilariously perhaps your opinion is less important considering apples market share has crashed 38%. Perhaps shafting their customers is not working.