I will point out that Firefox gets almost 100% of its funding from Google
Its gets that funding by...being the default search. In fact Apple received $400Million (Raising to $1Billion) for being the default search on their(not your) iphone. In fact Firefox will likely get even more money if FirefoxOS is a success.
The only problem is nobody wants to compete with Google in the search arena, even Microsoft don't want Bing, Yahoo can't compete now(being Microsoft Bitches)...and Apple giving cash back to investors(now they listen to Dell)
Apple owns the market with music too. If you listen to music a lot on your phone than an iphone would be better than Android. Android better for those who travel
Seriously never get a job selling phones. Apple sell a lot of music...they owned the now defunct mp3 player market, but that market is dead (okay last legs), and itunes is looking a clunky relic, and music playing and purchasing from through the cloud with your favourite application can be done on the cheapest Android without any of that ugly legacy baggage.
On the flip side Google offer a competing service on the Apple phone, the embarrassment from Apple came from replacing that service with an obviously inferior Apple one, something it should never have done...but that and the youtube application are still the top downloads for the iPhone.
There are plenty of other reasons to buy a Windows tablet over iPad..
If there where you would be arguing on those points. The frightening thing is Android manufacturers now outsell the iPad in the tablet market, is the shrinking iPad market(closed devices sold on brand rather than substance) really the market Microsoft should be chasing.
The Good: RT gets us into ARM and it leaves behind a ton of baggage that has hindered good development on MS platforms.
I personally agree with you that Windows reliance(and advantages) of Intel and X86 have come to the end of their usefulness for Microsoft, and is now a massive albatross around its neck. At least they both get to sit with their 70% profit margins. Perhaps they should have done something sooner...or at least compete on price(Still find it hilarious that Apple haven't with their dropping profits)...at least they still have the lacklustre desktop market, unless Chrome...or got forbid a manufacture gets serious about GNU/Linux.
with apple sucking up most of the world's money it seems like people think Microsoft will save them again
I am not even sure what this means, if you are referring to the fact that Apple managed to launch a successful *tablet* and siphon up most of the early adopter money. As it did with the the Mp3 Player(The only market Apple managed to maintain in the lead in both the maturing...and now its decline), and Smartphone...the Tablet...Microsoft failed to compete with *All* of them. Its no secret of how they have managed to Destroy Nokia...a company Huawei said they would not buy this week because of its choice of Windows Phone OS. Its no secret that Android currently dominates the smartphone market...and nothing (in the short term) is going to stop that Apples market share is about 15%. The same is happening right now with the tablet market again...something the Surface RT is (with a sad keyboard gimmick), Android is unsurprisingly also outselling Apple in Tablets, and again the margin continues to widen.
The hilarious thing about your post, now Apples profits are dropping, is that Android succeeded by being more consumer and manufacture friendly (Literally it gives it away) than Apple. Ironically Microsoft have been a massive failure by copying Apples (failing in a maturing market) consumer hostile and Manufacture hostile approach.
Google's and Microsoft's behavious are very similar.
Not even close. Microsoft is the same lumbering bullying monopolist it always was(although now looking stupid in todays mobile market), and Google acts like fresh young startup(although now with lots of baggage).
Other than them both being mega corporations, they have very little in common. This could be a whole topic in itself.
I have a bookshelf behind me with a whole host of dead languages, and products from Adobe and Microsoft that have been discontinued. Unsuccessful (and sometimes successful for strategic reasons) software will be discontinues, companies are trying to make money.
FYI Googles Enterprise Apps doesn't get Ads...maybe you are thinking of Windows 8.
Good gawd, pull your head out of the sand and visit some other tech websites. Apple is working with controller manufacturers right now to manufacture controllers specifically designed to work with iOS devices, both by integrating an iPhone into the controller (turning it into a portable game console) or as a remote controller (likely to turn an Apple TV into a game console with the release of iOS 7's update on the Apple TV).
It talks about "third-party manufacturers" using a standard interface,but "Previously, a rumor in March claimed Apple was courting developers at the 2013 Game Developers Conference to sign off on a controller to be released sometime in the near future, but the whispers were squashed by the well-connected Jim Dalrymple of The Loop"
Jobs wasn't anti-games. You seem to have forgotten that speech where he was introducing some action games to OSX by way of Activision among others. Hell, the guy started his computing career in Atari by programming games.
If Seve Jobs wasn't anti-games(he was they weren't premium)...Steve Jobs was simply a failure at the gaming market. Apple is a barren wasteland when it comes to gaming...OpenGL was left to rot, and even with a massive hole in the PC gaming market with Microsoft pretty much shitting on PC gaming since the launch of the initial XBox, Apple has become increasingly more desperate to compete...thank god for Microsoft pushing stream onto Linux and Apple.
Tell me right now what apple is doing in the gaming market, how they are moving and shaking...Android has 6+ consoles...Apple nothing. What game exclusives are coming to Apple....None. What great gaming announcements were there at the Dev conference...I think they tweaked Game centre (did anyone notice). right now 2 consoles are about to launch...both aimed at controlling the TV something Apple have talked about forever...what is Apple doing with there poular and existing product with games...Nothing.
Atari Closed Down. Apple is simply not a gaming platform. I personally think its a (many) missed opportunity. You can lie that Apple is a gaming platform...I bought an OUYA runs Android comes with a game controller.
Forget Xbox, the iOS consoles are already massively popular.
I original poster was making the point that their are a few Android consoles about, as an alternative...I believe Mad Catz (yes that one) is about to add to the already popular Android console market.
iOS does not have a gaming console, as Steve Jobs was pretty anti-games. There was a rumour about them buying Nintendo which I suspect would have been an incredible match. Instead they spent their time making criminal deals with book publishers.
I do think it would be a great move to turn AppleTV boxes into mini consoles even is it is only using the iPhone as a gamepad, but they are more interested in taking about bullshit design...rather than real innovation.
Microsoft has a culture of "cutting off their nose to spite their face."
No they don't they are simply the same bullying Abusive Monopoly they always are. There technique is abusive compromise...with the users doing all the compromising. They start with being over-reaching...and then step back ( a little) when users revolt, and repeat at the next iteration. IT has been incredibly successful at slowly eroding users rites.
Replace chimp with politician and see how fast things change.
The average intelligence of the government would double?
I have included the parent quote as I am astonished at the stupidity. I suspect everyone were is of the opinion that the problem with politicians is that whatever the politics, they are generally greedy and self serving...and they are (generally...ignoring political families) defiantly not stupid.
Ironically this is about *testing* Corporations would love nothing more than to do less...as its expensive and delays product to markets, and would love an excuse to skip killing chips...and then just pay of a few underprivileged people who have temporary permeate physical and mental damage and death.
This is about politicians protecting us with unpopular choices...until now.
Also the moral price of that science. The discussion is about chimps instead of rabbits because the evidence all points to chimps being almost as sapient as us, the rabbits... not so much
Chimps are not human...or even nearly human(sentient?). They are perhaps genetically closer to us which means they are better to test on than rabbits. Personally I would like a ban on testing fluffy rabbits...and more testing on chimps, as it seems less wasteful.
Ironically we already do trials on humans, even in progressive countries, which are done by those who have no other means of income, and with no understanding of the risks involved. I actually think that is morally wrong.
Leave the chimps alone. In fact, we should dedicate a greater share of the world to the rest of the planet's creatures, and that includes limiting the harmful effects of our pollution and industry not because of politics but simply because we have such a precious and finite resource in this jewel of the Earth and the delicate beauty of Life.
This is about infinite resource of furry beautiful creatures bred specifically for the purpose of (often) having short unpleasant painful life, for the sake of the possibility (patents permitting and money exchanged) of saving...or preventing damage to humans...Discuss.
This has nothing to do with pollution, or the misuse of the planets finite resources. Its about everything from research on dogs means diabetics today don't die, or humans don't do blind by spaying shampoo in baby rabbits eyes (the fact that the discussion is about chimps at all annoys me...as they are prettier). Its not pretty, its ugly science. The only real question is the validity of that science.
If you've changed the case, MB, CPU, and HD multiple times, it's not the same computer over 15 years. They are different computers. I was wrong; you're not exaggerating. You are basically lying.
If I get a larger case that is easier to take things in and out, or compact to fit under my desktop computer, I can have it in every color, I have that choice. If my computer is slow. I can get a new CPU...or upgrade to a new connector standard I can swap the motherboard. Or hell is I want a quick gaming boost I can swap out my graphics card. Thats not lying that is an outright massive advantage over Apples Chinese re-badged foxconn massively marked non-upgradeable quickly out-of-date nettop with an impractical ugly design with devices hanging off it with ports nobody uses.
I'm not basically anything. I think I have covered everything:)
So you are bragging that you have a lowly file server that has more storage han Apple's workstation for creative professionals that is not marketed or designed to be a file server and Apple hasn't disclosed how much storage it will have. Also you have placed so much value this useless metric of more storage while the Mac Pro can easily crush your lowly file server in practically everything else. As for ThunderBolt, are you telling me that your 15 year old computer can do internal transfers faster than external 20Gbs ThunderBolt? Not bloodly likely. As for upgrading your graphics card, do you think you can beat two FirePro GPUs? Do you even have PCIe in your 15 year old computer or is it still AGP or legacy PCI. At best you're full of it.
I'm sorry You seem confused:), Most here would understand that a Desktop PC in terms of it being meccano for stupid people, consisting of about 5!? very distinct parts. My Desktop computer unlike Apples new nettop is upgradable with means over those 15 Years its case changed every 4 years, memory every 3, cpu every 3 years, Graphics cards every 2-4 years, Motherboard every 2-4 years, and Hard Drives every 2 years...about a whole new machine 3-4 years, with components at best value. It means my hardware has always been cutting edge bought at best price vs important metrics. My computer is a neat solution.
To repeat myself I find external storage a messy ugly solution, for nettops, and poor design. The fact that the box is not upgradable means than it starts with at least two worse metrics than my rectangular box, and the rest possible having 6months to maybe a year before they are outdated, at a small cost. The fact that these things lave a long refresh product line ads insult to injury.
First of all Apple hasn't said anything about storage capabilities other than PCIe flash. Secondly my company has a PB server of storage in their data center so if you are measuring useless metrics, your 15 year computer has nothing on my company's rack of disks. Lastly what technology do you use for external transfers and how much does it cost you? If you say eSATA let me remind you if the bandwidth.
...and yet I am already bragging that my 15year old PC has larger storage capacity than it, and I need the storage *in* my machine, and no external storage does not cut it. The last thing I want is ugly boxes hanging of my machine...its a ugly stupid design. The reality is my *desktop* computer doesn't have data centre storage:), but it has *desktop* storage...the apple machine is a fast nettop I have no use for one of those. As I said I plan on upgrading my graphics card this year too.;)
Your 15 year old computer has a better processor than a 12 core Intel Xeon, better memory than registered, ECC 1866 MHz RAM and better external connectors than 6 Thunderbolt (20 Gbs) ports? Really? I have to see this computer.
In context of the article I notice you haven't mentioned storage. To be fair I consider Thunderbolt to be as useless as a serial port. In fact I plan on sticking a new graphics card in next year. So when I say better I mean it.
Spinning drives are not meant to replace reel to reel tape.
The automobile is not meant to replace the horse.
This is storage, lets look I used to lust after those large storage floppy disks Floptical; Superdisk; HiFD...in the end people use USB flash drives, or Optical Disk failures Laserdisk:) MiniDisc, HD DVD...in fast Is Blu Ray success. Lets look at SSD's which are ideal for portable technology, because they are faster , and more resistant to knocks..and expensive and small storage so poor for Desktop machines and Data Centres. The idea that a (storage) technology will succeed because its measurable better by some metric is short sighed especially if its worse in others. Comparing it to unrelated technology insane.
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It's not like Apple has to write map apps for Android. But Google does for iPhone if they do not want to wither and grow irrelevant.
WOW....just WOW
I will point out that Firefox gets almost 100% of its funding from Google
Its gets that funding by...being the default search. In fact Apple received $400Million (Raising to $1Billion) for being the default search on their(not your) iphone. In fact Firefox will likely get even more money if FirefoxOS is a success.
The only problem is nobody wants to compete with Google in the search arena, even Microsoft don't want Bing, Yahoo can't compete now(being Microsoft Bitches)...and Apple giving cash back to investors(now they listen to Dell)
Apple owns the market with music too. If you listen to music a lot on your phone than an iphone would be better than Android. Android better for those who travel
Seriously never get a job selling phones. Apple sell a lot of music...they owned the now defunct mp3 player market, but that market is dead (okay last legs), and itunes is looking a clunky relic, and music playing and purchasing from through the cloud with your favourite application can be done on the cheapest Android without any of that ugly legacy baggage.
On the flip side Google offer a competing service on the Apple phone, the embarrassment from Apple came from replacing that service with an obviously inferior Apple one, something it should never have done...but that and the youtube application are still the top downloads for the iPhone.
This is strange marketing bullshit.
There are plenty of other reasons to buy a Windows tablet over iPad..
If there where you would be arguing on those points. The frightening thing is Android manufacturers now outsell the iPad in the tablet market, is the shrinking iPad market(closed devices sold on brand rather than substance) really the market Microsoft should be chasing.
The Good: RT gets us into ARM and it leaves behind a ton of baggage that has hindered good development on MS platforms.
I personally agree with you that Windows reliance(and advantages) of Intel and X86 have come to the end of their usefulness for Microsoft, and is now a massive albatross around its neck. At least they both get to sit with their 70% profit margins. Perhaps they should have done something sooner...or at least compete on price(Still find it hilarious that Apple haven't with their dropping profits)...at least they still have the lacklustre desktop market, unless Chrome...or got forbid a manufacture gets serious about GNU/Linux.
This article isn't about a desktop, it's about the Surface RT... a tablet.
Windows 8 tuns all computing devices into poor tablets with keyboard gimmick. So I'm not really sure what you are arguing.
with apple sucking up most of the world's money it seems like people think Microsoft will save them again
I am not even sure what this means, if you are referring to the fact that Apple managed to launch a successful *tablet* and siphon up most of the early adopter money. As it did with the the Mp3 Player(The only market Apple managed to maintain in the lead in both the maturing...and now its decline), and Smartphone...the Tablet...Microsoft failed to compete with *All* of them. Its no secret of how they have managed to Destroy Nokia...a company Huawei said they would not buy this week because of its choice of Windows Phone OS. Its no secret that Android currently dominates the smartphone market...and nothing (in the short term) is going to stop that Apples market share is about 15%. The same is happening right now with the tablet market again...something the Surface RT is (with a sad keyboard gimmick), Android is unsurprisingly also outselling Apple in Tablets, and again the margin continues to widen.
The hilarious thing about your post, now Apples profits are dropping, is that Android succeeded by being more consumer and manufacture friendly (Literally it gives it away) than Apple. Ironically Microsoft have been a massive failure by copying Apples (failing in a maturing market) consumer hostile and Manufacture hostile approach.
Here is a list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Macromedia_software My personal favourite from Adobe Drumbeat which replaced by Dreamweaver UltraDev is wasn't Adobe bought it as it was a competitor and killed it off.
Google's and Microsoft's behavious are very similar.
Not even close. Microsoft is the same lumbering bullying monopolist it always was(although now looking stupid in todays mobile market), and Google acts like fresh young startup(although now with lots of baggage).
Other than them both being mega corporations, they have very little in common. This could be a whole topic in itself.
Except closing down projects
I have a bookshelf behind me with a whole host of dead languages, and products from Adobe and Microsoft that have been discontinued. Unsuccessful (and sometimes successful for strategic reasons) software will be discontinues, companies are trying to make money.
FYI Googles Enterprise Apps doesn't get Ads...maybe you are thinking of Windows 8.
Good gawd, pull your head out of the sand and visit some other tech websites. Apple is working with controller manufacturers right now to manufacture controllers specifically designed to work with iOS devices, both by integrating an iPhone into the controller (turning it into a portable game console) or as a remote controller (likely to turn an Apple TV into a game console with the release of iOS 7's update on the Apple TV).
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/06/12/apples-ios-developer-guide-hints-at-dedicated-mfi-game-controller this is the only link I found which is negative especially from an Apple website.
It talks about "third-party manufacturers" using a standard interface,but "Previously, a rumor in March claimed Apple was courting developers at the 2013 Game Developers Conference to sign off on a controller to be released sometime in the near future, but the whispers were squashed by the well-connected Jim Dalrymple of The Loop"
Jobs wasn't anti-games. You seem to have forgotten that speech where he was introducing some action games to OSX by way of Activision among others. Hell, the guy started his computing career in Atari by programming games.
If Seve Jobs wasn't anti-games(he was they weren't premium)...Steve Jobs was simply a failure at the gaming market. Apple is a barren wasteland when it comes to gaming...OpenGL was left to rot, and even with a massive hole in the PC gaming market with Microsoft pretty much shitting on PC gaming since the launch of the initial XBox, Apple has become increasingly more desperate to compete...thank god for Microsoft pushing stream onto Linux and Apple.
Tell me right now what apple is doing in the gaming market, how they are moving and shaking...Android has 6+ consoles...Apple nothing. What game exclusives are coming to Apple....None. What great gaming announcements were there at the Dev conference...I think they tweaked Game centre (did anyone notice). right now 2 consoles are about to launch...both aimed at controlling the TV something Apple have talked about forever...what is Apple doing with there poular and existing product with games...Nothing.
Atari Closed Down. Apple is simply not a gaming platform. I personally think its a (many) missed opportunity. You can lie that Apple is a gaming platform...I bought an OUYA runs Android comes with a game controller.
Sure, but that is the same thing. They could make more money if they were simply not so dickish.
They are being dickish to make *more* money. It only fails to work in places they are not an established monopoly, otherwise users have to eat shit.
Forget Xbox, the iOS consoles are already massively popular.
I original poster was making the point that their are a few Android consoles about, as an alternative...I believe Mad Catz (yes that one) is about to add to the already popular Android console market.
iOS does not have a gaming console, as Steve Jobs was pretty anti-games. There was a rumour about them buying Nintendo which I suspect would have been an incredible match. Instead they spent their time making criminal deals with book publishers.
I do think it would be a great move to turn AppleTV boxes into mini consoles even is it is only using the iPhone as a gamepad, but they are more interested in taking about bullshit design...rather than real innovation.
Microsoft has a culture of "cutting off their nose to spite their face."
No they don't they are simply the same bullying Abusive Monopoly they always are. There technique is abusive compromise...with the users doing all the compromising. They start with being over-reaching...and then step back ( a little) when users revolt, and repeat at the next iteration. IT has been incredibly successful at slowly eroding users rites.
Indie publishers got the short end of the stick on the 360 this is simply a continuation of that. my personal favourite http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/07/20/1540247/microsoft-taking-heat-for-five-figure-xbox-360-patch-fee the patch fee :)
Replace chimp with politician and see how fast things change.
The average intelligence of the government would double?
I have included the parent quote as I am astonished at the stupidity. I suspect everyone were is of the opinion that the problem with politicians is that whatever the politics, they are generally greedy and self serving...and they are (generally...ignoring political families) defiantly not stupid.
Ironically this is about *testing* Corporations would love nothing more than to do less...as its expensive and delays product to markets, and would love an excuse to skip killing chips...and then just pay of a few underprivileged people who have temporary permeate physical and mental damage and death.
This is about politicians protecting us with unpopular choices...until now.
Also the moral price of that science. The discussion is about chimps instead of rabbits because the evidence all points to chimps being almost as sapient as us, the rabbits... not so much
Chimps are not human...or even nearly human(sentient?). They are perhaps genetically closer to us which means they are better to test on than rabbits. Personally I would like a ban on testing fluffy rabbits...and more testing on chimps, as it seems less wasteful.
Ironically we already do trials on humans, even in progressive countries, which are done by those who have no other means of income, and with no understanding of the risks involved. I actually think that is morally wrong.
Leave the chimps alone. In fact, we should dedicate a greater share of the world to the rest of the planet's creatures, and that includes limiting the harmful effects of our pollution and industry not because of politics but simply because we have such a precious and finite resource in this jewel of the Earth and the delicate beauty of Life.
This is about infinite resource of furry beautiful creatures bred specifically for the purpose of (often) having short unpleasant painful life, for the sake of the possibility (patents permitting and money exchanged) of saving...or preventing damage to humans...Discuss.
This has nothing to do with pollution, or the misuse of the planets finite resources. Its about everything from research on dogs means diabetics today don't die, or humans don't do blind by spaying shampoo in baby rabbits eyes (the fact that the discussion is about chimps at all annoys me...as they are prettier). Its not pretty, its ugly science. The only real question is the validity of that science.
If you've changed the case, MB, CPU, and HD multiple times, it's not the same computer over 15 years. They are different computers. I was wrong; you're not exaggerating. You are basically lying.
If I get a larger case that is easier to take things in and out, or compact to fit under my desktop computer, I can have it in every color, I have that choice. If my computer is slow. I can get a new CPU...or upgrade to a new connector standard I can swap the motherboard. Or hell is I want a quick gaming boost I can swap out my graphics card. Thats not lying that is an outright massive advantage over Apples Chinese re-badged foxconn massively marked non-upgradeable quickly out-of-date nettop with an impractical ugly design with devices hanging off it with ports nobody uses.
I'm not basically anything. I think I have covered everything :)
So you are bragging that you have a lowly file server that has more storage han Apple's workstation for creative professionals that is not marketed or designed to be a file server and Apple hasn't disclosed how much storage it will have. Also you have placed so much value this useless metric of more storage while the Mac Pro can easily crush your lowly file server in practically everything else. As for ThunderBolt, are you telling me that your 15 year old computer can do internal transfers faster than external 20Gbs ThunderBolt? Not bloodly likely. As for upgrading your graphics card, do you think you can beat two FirePro GPUs? Do you even have PCIe in your 15 year old computer or is it still
AGP or legacy PCI. At best you're full of it.
I'm sorry You seem confused :), Most here would understand that a Desktop PC in terms of it being meccano for stupid people, consisting of about 5!? very distinct parts. My Desktop computer unlike Apples new nettop is upgradable with means over those 15 Years its case changed every 4 years, memory every 3, cpu every 3 years, Graphics cards every 2-4 years, Motherboard every 2-4 years, and Hard Drives every 2 years...about a whole new machine 3-4 years, with components at best value. It means my hardware has always been cutting edge bought at best price vs important metrics. My computer is a neat solution.
To repeat myself I find external storage a messy ugly solution, for nettops, and poor design. The fact that the box is not upgradable means than it starts with at least two worse metrics than my rectangular box, and the rest possible having 6months to maybe a year before they are outdated, at a small cost. The fact that these things lave a long refresh product line ads insult to injury.
http://apple2online.com/web_documents/microsoft_ramcard_-_manual.pdf Extra Ram later iterations acted like *floppy disks* boasting 50X speeds basically a precursor of today’s SSD drive
Pearls to the swine
First of all Apple hasn't said anything about storage capabilities other than PCIe flash. Secondly my company has a PB server of storage in their data center so if you are measuring useless metrics, your 15 year computer has nothing on my company's rack of disks. Lastly what technology do you use for external transfers and how much does it cost you? If you say eSATA let me remind you if the bandwidth.
...and yet I am already bragging that my 15year old PC has larger storage capacity than it, and I need the storage *in* my machine, and no external storage does not cut it. The last thing I want is ugly boxes hanging of my machine...its a ugly stupid design. The reality is my *desktop* computer doesn't have data centre storage :), but it has *desktop* storage...the apple machine is a fast nettop I have no use for one of those. As I said I plan on upgrading my graphics card this year too. ;)
Your 15 year old computer has a better processor than a 12 core Intel Xeon, better memory than registered, ECC 1866 MHz RAM and better external connectors than 6 Thunderbolt (20 Gbs) ports? Really? I have to see this computer.
In context of the article I notice you haven't mentioned storage. To be fair I consider Thunderbolt to be as useless as a serial port. In fact I plan on sticking a new graphics card in next year. So when I say better I mean it.
In 10 years no company will be manufacturing spinning hard drives.
Again impressed with the well thought out argument from an AC, Here is a Ramcard from 1982 by Microsoft http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow/story/300240/the-secret-history-of-microsoft-hardware/3 that is 21 years ago. I won't bother with any real explanation, because I'd be wasting my time.
Spinning drives are not meant to replace reel to reel tape.
The automobile is not meant to replace the horse.
This is storage, lets look I used to lust after those large storage floppy disks Floptical; Superdisk; HiFD...in the end people use USB flash drives, or Optical Disk failures Laserdisk :) MiniDisc, HD DVD...in fast Is Blu Ray success. Lets look at SSD's which are ideal for portable technology, because they are faster , and more resistant to knocks..and expensive and small storage so poor for Desktop machines and Data Centres. The idea that a (storage) technology will succeed because its measurable better by some metric is short sighed especially if its worse in others. Comparing it to unrelated technology insane.