Not according to the Chinese who claim the average is 1,393 yuan(about $220) admittedly I agree the iPhone has priced itself out of the market for short term profitability in the American market.
What can you get for 1,393 yuan in china...lets have a look at the Chinese Amazon.cn http://translate.google.com.hk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=amazon.cn unsurprisingly their top selling phone is 1,165 yuan...so a little less than average. its a Motorola; dual-mode dual standby 1.2GHz dual-core Android 4.0 system 4.3-inch phone. Its a better phone than I own:) Interesting that its a Motorola too, as I haven't heard much good news about them in a while. The bottom line is check your fact before posting them.
there's a thousand grandmas who got their Android phone free
I think the main reason Android is so much more successful with All generations...and sexes is more down to its larger screen size; resolution and pixel density allowing better viewing, and its ease of use.
Lets be honest about Apples market share...Its a localised phenomena in US and UK,
Tell that to Japan, Germany and China. And quarter by quarter numbers seem good in many other markets too.
Not sure where you are getting your data from.:) This is the latest article I can find [sorry about the Google translate] http://translate.google.com.hk/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://data.eguan.cn/yidonghulian_147283.html It shows Apples market share *dropping* from 6.2% to 4.2 while Android continued to rise to 90.1%. To put that in perspective. Apples market share is 21times smaller...do you seriously want to claim that the Chinese Developers are developing any Applications. Apple is a dead platform in the largest market in the world.
You want to talk about profits:) not "Market cap" or "Market share" suddenly we are back to the same point *profit*, because lets face it Apple just aren't that big...but they are profitable [At least in the short term:). This is a sign of how much Apple can *milk* its customers, and the Answer is "OMG" and they have a reported $140Billion just sat around allegedly. Its why they have [just] the biggest Market cap in the world [Although as I point out there are a lot of large players in the smartphone market].
But here is the thing. Apple have lost 35% of their Market value in 6Months alone, and the main reason is Apple makes the vast majority of those profits from the iPhone hardware sales, and investors got so nervous, about it failing to meet its sales targets; its shrinking margins; long term profitability is suddenly *puff* all that value just vanished from the company [$250Billion]...but the bottom line is the market does not see Apple as a long term prospect.
Actually I thought Apple cannibalising its music player sales for that of the iPhone was brilliant [and pretty much everyone agrees], not cannibalising its iPhone sales with an iPhone nano I suspect will prove its downfall. The reference to Microsoft is their latest brag that they outsell the iPhone in 6 countries...they even reported it here, personally I think its a bad reflection on both companies.
Android users don't spend money...Or even surf the web as often as iOS users:
Check your spin from your own outdated article that have dubious sources:) "Google Play paid revenue grew by 311 percent since January, Apple's paid revenue only grew by 12.9 percent" reread my comments:)....and this is an outdated article.
As for the browse think it is [was!?] an anomaly of netlink...I'm not even sure if its true their any-more, but the site is borked, a quick look at statcounter http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-ww-monthly-201203-201303 shows that ios web presence continue to be well below Android:) unsurprisingly.
You should read and verify your links before posting and wasting peoples time, especially mine.
I agree. Especially considering the news that a quarter of American books sold are electronic, imagine what a disaster it would be if Steve Jobs had succeeded in forming its [another?] cartel. It needs greater scrutiny regarding its abusive policies, especially in regards companies able to compete with Apples first parts Applications..especially the abuse of not allowing other stores on their [not your] phones including book/music/magiazine...and obviously Application. Competition is a precious commodity, and needs to be preserved. In fact movement vbetween platforms needs to be trivial...and the rights of users protected against Apple. Users are not even aware that they are being sold to advertising companies.
Except Nintendo won the console wars [had the majority market share at least] with its wii...although its struggling with its wii u http://www.vgchartz.com/ as you can see it outsold both Sony and Microsoft. Ironically Apple [when its still did computing] was rumoured to be serious about buying Nintendo, and would have been an incredibly good use of its money [they have $140 Billion now under the couch], unfortunately Jobs was always been against games [maybe sour grapes]...but right now I suspect unless Apple expand their product line [as they are rumoured to be doing...and is a little late], and quit their lock-in games [proprietary software and hardware only cuts it when your on top]. I think they are going to become relevant only in the US soon, and then only until the carriers gang up on Apple [dies a natural death].
It seems very important to you that Google and Samsung together are very large, isn't it? Emotionally involved with them? One of those companies makes their money selling your data.
Ignoring your personal attacks. My comments were in reference to a factual error by the original poster. Like you made with this one. Google will NEVER sell your data, because they can only do so once...they sell targeted advertising space [done by a computing algorithm] to other companies. Ironically Apple sell their users to Google for $400 Million [reportedly going up to 1Billion] So i'm not really sure what your point is Apple still has a small and shrinking part of the audio player market.
So what you are saying is that at least on Fandroid fails at Math. And Logic. And reading comprehension. And at not being a dick.
No my maths is pretty good, Apple users Pirate at 75% Android users at 60%. Apple users are more likely to pirate [and get attacked by Developers on their twitter pages]. My writing on that post was pretty sloppy, but my maths flawless.
I guess you don't. I absolutely agree with you Apple is rotten, but excusing them, just because they are heading towards being a niche product is not right. We have learnt from IE that bundling software how abuse monopolies can stop innovation...and can only imagine how bad it would be not if like the iphone the bowser was locked to the iphone [safari frontends don't count;)], and your right Apple should not not be considered a platform at all, but opened up to competing services, so Apple users can benefit...no matter how small Apple is [the same should and in the case of Android does apply].
No they don't. Lets be honest about Apples market share...Its a localised phenomena in US and UK, and its more about how the carriers expect users to pay for the phones. Apples market share is so low...even Windows phone brag about having larger market share. You can pretend the Apple has some kind of lead...and it did, but that was when it did have major market share, but today applications are developed first for Android, and in some markets where Apple is none existent...Apple Applications are not being developed at all...and the same goes for video; books; music:). Would you like be to show you recipts of my Play purchases:) I just bought NBA Jam:)
the difference will be that apple makes a shitload more money than all the others combined
Not even close; Google+Samsung alone are larger than Apple:). Apples ipod market has died a quiet death, and its Market share of phones is so awful even Microsoft brag of Bigger market share. Apple has a tiny [and shrinking] share [after a race for early *hardware* profits] of potential customers.
Perhaps you should get your education from a better quality metal source...I would recommend Accept for financial analysis.
I was quite shocked at this. Itunes was relevant [forced on its users] in its day with its [not your] mp3 players tied to it, and dragged though with the rise [and fall now] of the iphone [hell you needed it to update your phone!?]. On its own its a bloated mess in every way [size, features...it needs to die], and Apple products simply "Didn't Work" if connected to Linux [none too pretty with anything else]. With the rise of Android and OTA updates; Mass Storage Connectivity; Standard Protocols]. I'm currently using Clementine http://www.clementine-player.org/ [cross platfom] as my music player of choice...and a click on the internet button gives me a range of cloud radio; storage; sales in a none intrusive manner. I'm not pushing Clementine its just one of the *many* music players [something itunes should remember it is] that is better in *every* way. itunes need to be burned with fire.
Personally I want to move control over the phone from the company...to me. Android is the best option out their right now, but its a long way from being an optimum solution. Increasingly they are becoming devices others control.
"Look at my phone. Imagine how big my genitalia must be..."
You could not be father from the truth. Penile insecurity is not the reason for larger screen...they simply offer a larger viewing area. Ironically earlier adopters of pablet [tabone maybe] were small women...not sausage finger 7' Men as I would have expected, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out why [and It wasn't due to a gaping V-J]...it was because they have handbags.
Hopefully its if and not when Apple decide to expand their product line to include a mini and a maxi phone, otherwise they are in danger of losing relevance even faster than they are now. And we will continue to have drivel about the one true phone propaganda for the like of you.
As much fun as it is to blame it on Windows 8. The simple reality is that PCs are no longer required outside of the office. Smartphones and to a lesser extent tablets are fulfilling the needs of the average person.
Then why are Desktop computers not *competing* with them, and in the context of this article come with a tablet interface!? only in more expenive; lower PPI; Higher Power; Less Portable version. The reason everyone is blaming Windows 8 is not because its fun. Its becasue Windows 8 turned a normal computer into a tablet...and a poor one.
I have no idea why the massive defence of how wonderful [and overpowered] the desktop is, it is truly awful. I'm personally disappointed. Desktop computers are now tablets [because of Windows 8] come with *low* resolution screens, and are less portable. I look at the Chrome Pixel...and I'd love it, but not at that price, yet somehow Intel's average quarterly gross margin in the last five years is 59.97%, and Microsoft's is even higher at 78.31% even Dell's average gross profit margin at group level is 19.53 per cent and HP's is 22.32 per cent. So much for Apples Lie of race to the bottom they just rip their customers off more. How about those Netbooks...you can't buy them anywhere they where gimped by Microsoft/Intel. How about a 17" monitor on your laptop No! How about a high resolution touch screen computer with LED keyboard, no wires even to the monitor...and a real Desktop interface, at a competitive price. Not a chance.
I'm personally waiting for someone to reinvent the Desktop...After seeing the Google pixel I think it will be Google, and I'm not sure if I should celebrate that.
That is a non-argument, just an assertion that Apple "should have" gone for market share.
No, it's neither, it's a business strategy. Apple chose to make money by *maximising profits on hardware* which has left it with a tiny market share [in some markets none existent], Which makes for a weak app-store content and less customers buying you content...which sadly leads to a shrinking market share [hell even Microsoft is bragging larger market share]. They could have taken an Amazon approach [sell content, make no money on hardware], Google approach give away OS [for Advertising] or License it like Microsoft [If their product is really worth it!?], but they didn't...am I asserting it was a massive failure by Apple *absolutely*, but I argued that a maximising *market share* strategy [any of them] was the strategy they should have taken a *long* time ago if they planned to live off their store content, and unfortunately *market-share* is the only answer to that one, but then they have $140Billion in cash...they could like swim in it like Scrooge McDuck
way before there was any sort of industry standard for anything.
USB has been about since 1996, USB mass storage device class has been in Windows ME/2000, and yes many phones could manage this before the iphone release, like everything else with the iPhone...Apple is Number 2.
Can Samsung afford to offer sweetheart deals to internal customers who have even lower profit margins than Apple, and no app store to supplement the income?
Its kind of off-topic, although I do find it hilarious that the pro-Apple arguments have moved from "Race to the Bottom" to "We can survive better at the bottom". The major problem with Apple surviving on a diet of store only money...and Google bunging them a few dollars is that Apples has thrown away all their market share chasing those early profits, so I hope its not going to have to rely on that money. Android already had whole countries producing Android applications exclusively...and least they will have America, at least in the short term...till the carriers turn on them.
How sad it must be to run Motorola and see all of your hard work at developing the company basically turn in to a multibillion dollar patent portfolio.
FYI Motorola still sell phones...and some good ones. Keep your eye out for the Xphone it might just be your next smartphone:)
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Most smartphones in China are sold at $79
Not according to the Chinese who claim the average is 1,393 yuan(about $220) admittedly I agree the iPhone has priced itself out of the market for short term profitability in the American market.
What can you get for 1,393 yuan in china...lets have a look at the Chinese Amazon.cn http://translate.google.com.hk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=amazon.cn unsurprisingly their top selling phone is 1,165 yuan...so a little less than average. its a Motorola; dual-mode dual standby 1.2GHz dual-core Android 4.0 system 4.3-inch phone. Its a better phone than I own :) Interesting that its a Motorola too, as I haven't heard much good news about them in a while. The bottom line is check your fact before posting them.
there's a thousand grandmas who got their Android phone free
I think the main reason Android is so much more successful with All generations...and sexes is more down to its larger screen size; resolution and pixel density allowing better viewing, and its ease of use.
if you weren't such a dipshit you would have realized...google doesn't sell music or radio services (neither does samsung)
Samsung Music Hub
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/music-hub-all-the-music-you-want-all-in-one-place
Music on Google Play
https://play.google.com/store/music
Yes I'm afraid you have indeed made a factual error, don't feel too bad
Lets be honest about Apples market share...Its a localised phenomena in US and UK,
Tell that to Japan, Germany and China. And quarter by quarter numbers seem good in many other markets too.
Not sure where you are getting your data from. :) This is the latest article I can find [sorry about the Google translate] http://translate.google.com.hk/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://data.eguan.cn/yidonghulian_147283.html It shows Apples market share *dropping* from 6.2% to 4.2 while Android continued to rise to 90.1%. To put that in perspective. Apples market share is 21times smaller...do you seriously want to claim that the Chinese Developers are developing any Applications. Apple is a dead platform in the largest market in the world.
You want to talk about profits :) not "Market cap" or "Market share" suddenly we are back to the same point *profit*, because lets face it Apple just aren't that big...but they are profitable [At least in the short term :). This is a sign of how much Apple can *milk* its customers, and the Answer is "OMG" and they have a reported $140Billion just sat around allegedly. Its why they have [just] the biggest Market cap in the world [Although as I point out there are a lot of large players in the smartphone market].
But here is the thing. Apple have lost 35% of their Market value in 6Months alone, and the main reason is Apple makes the vast majority of those profits from the iPhone hardware sales, and investors got so nervous, about it failing to meet its sales targets; its shrinking margins; long term profitability is suddenly *puff* all that value just vanished from the company [$250Billion]...but the bottom line is the market does not see Apple as a long term prospect.
Actually I thought Apple cannibalising its music player sales for that of the iPhone was brilliant [and pretty much everyone agrees], not cannibalising its iPhone sales with an iPhone nano I suspect will prove its downfall. The reference to Microsoft is their latest brag that they outsell the iPhone in 6 countries...they even reported it here, personally I think its a bad reflection on both companies.
Android users don't spend money...Or even surf the web as often as iOS users:
Check your spin from your own outdated article that have dubious sources :) "Google Play paid revenue grew by 311 percent since January, Apple's paid revenue only grew by 12.9 percent" reread my comments :)....and this is an outdated article.
As for the browse think it is [was!?] an anomaly of netlink...I'm not even sure if its true their any-more, but the site is borked, a quick look at statcounter http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_browser-ww-monthly-201203-201303 shows that ios web presence continue to be well below Android :) unsurprisingly.
You should read and verify your links before posting and wasting peoples time, especially mine.
further Apple lock-in
I agree. Especially considering the news that a quarter of American books sold are electronic, imagine what a disaster it would be if Steve Jobs had succeeded in forming its [another?] cartel. It needs greater scrutiny regarding its abusive policies, especially in regards companies able to compete with Apples first parts Applications..especially the abuse of not allowing other stores on their [not your] phones including book/music/magiazine...and obviously Application. Competition is a precious commodity, and needs to be preserved. In fact movement vbetween platforms needs to be trivial...and the rights of users protected against Apple. Users are not even aware that they are being sold to advertising companies.
Yeah, likely they'll end up like Nintendo.
Except Nintendo won the console wars [had the majority market share at least] with its wii...although its struggling with its wii u http://www.vgchartz.com/ as you can see it outsold both Sony and Microsoft. Ironically Apple [when its still did computing] was rumoured to be serious about buying Nintendo, and would have been an incredibly good use of its money [they have $140 Billion now under the couch], unfortunately Jobs was always been against games [maybe sour grapes]...but right now I suspect unless Apple expand their product line [as they are rumoured to be doing...and is a little late], and quit their lock-in games [proprietary software and hardware only cuts it when your on top]. I think they are going to become relevant only in the US soon, and then only until the carriers gang up on Apple [dies a natural death].
It seems very important to you that Google and Samsung together are very large, isn't it? Emotionally involved with them? One of those companies makes their money selling your data.
Ignoring your personal attacks. My comments were in reference to a factual error by the original poster. Like you made with this one. Google will NEVER sell your data, because they can only do so once...they sell targeted advertising space [done by a computing algorithm] to other companies. Ironically Apple sell their users to Google for $400 Million [reportedly going up to 1Billion] So i'm not really sure what your point is Apple still has a small and shrinking part of the audio player market.
So what you are saying is that at least on Fandroid fails at Math. And Logic. And reading comprehension. And at not being a dick.
No my maths is pretty good, Apple users Pirate at 75% Android users at 60%. Apple users are more likely to pirate [and get attacked by Developers on their twitter pages]. My writing on that post was pretty sloppy, but my maths flawless.
you have 60% pirates,
So your saying that Android users are more likely to pirate by only 15% as the Application I linked to had 75% of Apple user being pirates. pirates.
I don't know.
I guess you don't. I absolutely agree with you Apple is rotten, but excusing them, just because they are heading towards being a niche product is not right. We have learnt from IE that bundling software how abuse monopolies can stop innovation...and can only imagine how bad it would be not if like the iphone the bowser was locked to the iphone [safari frontends don't count ;)], and your right Apple should not not be considered a platform at all, but opened up to competing services, so Apple users can benefit...no matter how small Apple is [the same should and in the case of Android does apply].
Competition needs protecting.
iOS has almost 100% of the market that matters
No they don't. Lets be honest about Apples market share...Its a localised phenomena in US and UK, and its more about how the carriers expect users to pay for the phones. Apples market share is so low...even Windows phone brag about having larger market share. You can pretend the Apple has some kind of lead...and it did, but that was when it did have major market share, but today applications are developed first for Android, and in some markets where Apple is none existent...Apple Applications are not being developed at all...and the same goes for video; books; music :). Would you like be to show you recipts of my Play purchases :) I just bought NBA Jam :)
Trouble is, most folks on Android are known to loathe "paying for any software."
This is an article about an Apple user being attacked for Piracy by an Apple developer by Hyjacking their twitter accounts and posting confessions of piracy :) http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/ios-apps-hijack-twitter-accounts-post-false-confessions-of-piracy/. Perhaps you should should stop Demonising Android users. I'm personally willing to post screenshots of my Play account, showing all my purchases.
the difference will be that apple makes a shitload more money than all the others combined
Not even close; Google+Samsung alone are larger than Apple :). Apples ipod market has died a quiet death, and its Market share of phones is so awful even Microsoft brag of Bigger market share. Apple has a tiny [and shrinking] share [after a race for early *hardware* profits] of potential customers.
Perhaps you should get your education from a better quality metal source...I would recommend Accept for financial analysis.
I was quite shocked at this. Itunes was relevant [forced on its users] in its day with its [not your] mp3 players tied to it, and dragged though with the rise [and fall now] of the iphone [hell you needed it to update your phone!?]. On its own its a bloated mess in every way [size, features...it needs to die], and Apple products simply "Didn't Work" if connected to Linux [none too pretty with anything else]. With the rise of Android and OTA updates; Mass Storage Connectivity; Standard Protocols]. I'm currently using Clementine http://www.clementine-player.org/ [cross platfom] as my music player of choice...and a click on the internet button gives me a range of cloud radio; storage; sales in a none intrusive manner. I'm not pushing Clementine its just one of the *many* music players [something itunes should remember it is] that is better in *every* way. itunes need to be burned with fire.
Personally I want to move control over the phone from the company...to me. Android is the best option out their right now, but its a long way from being an optimum solution. Increasingly they are becoming devices others control.
"Look at my phone. Imagine how big my genitalia must be..."
You could not be father from the truth. Penile insecurity is not the reason for larger screen...they simply offer a larger viewing area. Ironically earlier adopters of pablet [tabone maybe] were small women...not sausage finger 7' Men as I would have expected, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out why [and It wasn't due to a gaping V-J]...it was because they have handbags.
Hopefully its if and not when Apple decide to expand their product line to include a mini and a maxi phone, otherwise they are in danger of losing relevance even faster than they are now. And we will continue to have drivel about the one true phone propaganda for the like of you.
Oh... And apparently everyone is buying Macbooks.
Up 14% YoY.
No Apple are doing absolutely awful Mac's are down 22% Year On Year for 2013Q1 http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q1fy13datasum.pdf
As much fun as it is to blame it on Windows 8. The simple reality is that PCs are no longer required outside of the office. Smartphones and to a lesser extent tablets are fulfilling the needs of the average person.
Then why are Desktop computers not *competing* with them, and in the context of this article come with a tablet interface!? only in more expenive; lower PPI; Higher Power; Less Portable version. The reason everyone is blaming Windows 8 is not because its fun. Its becasue Windows 8 turned a normal computer into a tablet...and a poor one.
I have no idea why the massive defence of how wonderful [and overpowered] the desktop is, it is truly awful. I'm personally disappointed. Desktop computers are now tablets [because of Windows 8] come with *low* resolution screens, and are less portable. I look at the Chrome Pixel...and I'd love it, but not at that price, yet somehow Intel's average quarterly gross margin in the last five years is 59.97%, and Microsoft's is even higher at 78.31% even Dell's average gross profit margin at group level is 19.53 per cent and HP's is 22.32 per cent. So much for Apples Lie of race to the bottom they just rip their customers off more. How about those Netbooks...you can't buy them anywhere they where gimped by Microsoft/Intel. How about a 17" monitor on your laptop No! How about a high resolution touch screen computer with LED keyboard, no wires even to the monitor...and a real Desktop interface, at a competitive price. Not a chance.
I'm personally waiting for someone to reinvent the Desktop...After seeing the Google pixel I think it will be Google, and I'm not sure if I should celebrate that.
That is a non-argument, just an assertion that Apple "should have" gone for market share.
No, it's neither, it's a business strategy. Apple chose to make money by *maximising profits on hardware* which has left it with a tiny market share [in some markets none existent], Which makes for a weak app-store content and less customers buying you content...which sadly leads to a shrinking market share [hell even Microsoft is bragging larger market share]. They could have taken an Amazon approach [sell content, make no money on hardware], Google approach give away OS [for Advertising] or License it like Microsoft [If their product is really worth it!?], but they didn't...am I asserting it was a massive failure by Apple *absolutely*, but I argued that a maximising *market share* strategy [any of them] was the strategy they should have taken a *long* time ago if they planned to live off their store content, and unfortunately *market-share* is the only answer to that one, but then they have $140Billion in cash...they could like swim in it like Scrooge McDuck
way before there was any sort of industry standard for anything.
USB has been about since 1996, USB mass storage device class has been in Windows ME/2000, and yes many phones could manage this before the iphone release, like everything else with the iPhone...Apple is Number 2.
Can Samsung afford to offer sweetheart deals to internal customers who have even lower profit margins than Apple, and no app store to supplement the income?
Its kind of off-topic, although I do find it hilarious that the pro-Apple arguments have moved from "Race to the Bottom" to "We can survive better at the bottom". The major problem with Apple surviving on a diet of store only money...and Google bunging them a few dollars is that Apples has thrown away all their market share chasing those early profits, so I hope its not going to have to rely on that money. Android already had whole countries producing Android applications exclusively...and least they will have America, at least in the short term...till the carriers turn on them.
How sad it must be to run Motorola and see all of your hard work at developing the company basically turn in to a multibillion dollar patent portfolio.
FYI Motorola still sell phones...and some good ones. Keep your eye out for the Xphone it might just be your next smartphone :)