It might be a third less because it uses a shitty ARM CPU, has half the RAM, one eighth the amount of storage space, no touchscreen, no pen input, no memory card slot, lower resolution and weighs more than the Surface Pro.
No its a third...as in you can but three of them for the same price as Surface. Pro. It comes with 100GB of cloud storage...and has a memory card slot. runs a lightweight OS [and can run Ubuntu too:). Other than touch-screen something I want...if I can get android compatibility, but that has been announced on the next chrome book there is embarrassingly little in it.
...but your right it is not exactly the specifications, but functionally very similar, and has advantages cost being the most glaring.
"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders,"
To be fair that quote was back in 1997 and Apple was $17 a share it has lost 20 times that in the last three months, and that was 4 years before the ipod changed Apple. Steve Jobs had only just returned to Apple...after the buyout of Next.
Ironically the 1995 Steve Jobs complained how Apple milked the Macintosh for profits and left itself vulnerable to disruption and market share collapse...fortunately Apple wouldn't do that again.
Apple has complete control over their production pipeline, software and hardware.
Microsoft is not buying Apple, its simply buying a seat on its board [a position of *influence*] with enough money to lock Dell down with Golden handcuffs, so its less building its own hardware...more making sure it sells locked [police state] Microsoft products and does not start selling Android or god forbid tries to do something innovative ironically like completely control their production pipeline, software and hardware...maybe using Linux.
That wouldn't be a mobile exclusive then, would it?
To be fair I wouldn't know which of the 700,000 games/apps I think Windows cracked 2000 in November which should post? Its not really fair with Windows having such a small store, as its self styled ecosystem is a failure.
Its off topic but is the advertising obtrusive in Angry Birds...or subtle, clearly half a million that rated the game thought otherwise with 9:1 ratio rating it five stars:) of course you can always pay a little to be be add free if you do.
Sorry I'm not sure you really understand what is going on. Microsoft is simply taking their current business model away:), your analogy murdering them. Locking themselves into it in the past was stupid...now a desperate struggle to survive. Its the exact opposite of commercial suicide.
Steam has a strategy of cross platform gaming [desktop] and first and third party consoles running their store. Seems pretty wise to me.
Loki ports had a *completely* different model. Lokis business model was shocking, software was delivered later than windows; more expensive; in a poor format...and then added DRM. I'm sure many were grateful of their conversions, personally I had no time for them, and the fact that we still are not seeing many of their ports for sale not that they can be distributed digitally says it all really.
Pretending that Mac OS X was ever a viable gaming platform is a joke. It suffered from the same problems historically(sic)
one popular game that owes any part of its commercial success to the fact it was ported to Linux
I don't think you understand your own points involving it only matters that the *sales* exceeds the *cost of sale* your argument is they don't...and traditionally(sic) they didn't [platform specific tools; Apis and engines] the new world where games are often on a Linux tablet *first*, built with cross platform tools; Apis and engines those costs are massively reduced.
If your not seeing it...your not looking, ironically in an article about the largest store front of games pushing Linux as a viable platform.
Did I miss something I thought your point was out of Desktop Os Linux has a relatively small [but growing] market share...my point is out of total OS's Linux has the majority market share.
The whole point is post the dominant computer gaming platform used to be on your Desktop, now its more likely to phone or tablet.
...should we really pretend that Microsoft does not exist when the whole point is its monopoly status and platform specific tools; Apis and engines.
The reality is the future [now] is cross platform, and Microsoft is simply not getting it.
You may not be alone... but do you seriously think that there are actually enough people like you to make this a successful venture?
...because the existing demographic(sic) has nothing to do with the future of computing. Android is set to overtake Windows this year as the dominant OS. Right now coding a Windows[Direct X] only game shuts out half of your potential audience, and Windows market share is set to decline further. The future is cross platform and steam is already there? The fact that one market is smaller than another is irrelevant when portability is not an afterthought...if it is Windows is likely to lose out not Linux.
Microsoft plans to introduce a "windows app store". This is a huge threat to Valve's business since Microsoft wouldn't care about high margins on stuff sold in it.
No...Window *has* launched a Windows app store. Its not just a huge threat to Valve with a bundled a software shop. It threatens to become Windows only shop [copying Apples closed garden]. Microsoft intends to become the *only* place to get software on the windows platform, not undercut the opposition.
A single indie developer got all these bundles working on Linux, by my count the cream of indie gaming...you seriously think steam isn't going to add to this.
That's great and all but there are less Linux games on Steam than even for OS X. And having to hope that the ~90% of Windows that games that will never be ported will work in Wine is not a good proposition.
Absolutely...but that was when Windows was a dominant platform. Increasingly we are seeing games exclusive to android, and not appearing on windows at all, and we are seeing the launch of by my count 4 Linux based consoles this year. Games are coming to Linux thick and fast the Humble Bundle games alone total 70+...and that is a small independent developer, nothing like the size of Steam.
Your the only one everyone else is moving to Libreoffice and Google Docs, The iPad proved that few really need or want office..but then its off-topic. Ironically the best selling laptop right now on Amazon is a Chromebook guess your list of requirements is out of touch with most users..
It was May 2010 that the Humble Bundle launched it has had 7 Cross Platform Desktop versions...4 others that include Android...and 6 Developer Specific bundles, already proving Linux as a viable gaming platform.
Steam is late to the the party. In reality the new world its "cross platform gaming" that is becoming increasing important as Windows as both a platform and a brand lose relevance.
Without the iPhone or iPad, Apple would still be very profitable
...no it wouldn't what a load of rubbish,its profits would take a massive dive instantly. Most of their profits come from the iPhone. Secondly without the iPhone/iPad is Apple relevant.
Quite frankly, crap like this makes me want to get out of the stock market altogether.
Like every other Apple shareholder that is why the value of 13 Dells market cap got wiped off Apples Market cap in three months. I notice Apple shares continue to plunge..currently hugging just above 500. Its also why you see less people singing Apples praises here.
In reference to spin. "Apple's orders for iPhone 5 screens for the January-March quarter...dropped to roughly half" and "The latest model comes with a longer, four-inch screen compared with the 3.5-inch screens used in all previous iPhone models.". There is no wiggle room there.
MS pays Nokia 1B/year in much needed money to aid in the transition.
...and I suspect that is personally why everyone is currently going along with this madness,if they break the agreement with Microsoft now...Microsoft will want there money back. In real terms however the last figures I saw of costs of transition to Windows Phone was 10Billion...the cost in terms of staff, output, brand obviously make this figure a lot higher.
Didn't you say something similar about 10 or 15 years ago?
...I doubt it. Ironically in the context of this article Android the Os that Nokia did not choose is set to overtake Windows in Market share this year to become the dominant OS...and Sells 1.5million daily. Windows Phone sold 4.4Million...and is already expecting to sell less next quarter in its own release..
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It might be a third less because it uses a shitty ARM CPU, has half the RAM, one eighth the amount of storage space, no touchscreen, no pen input, no memory card slot, lower resolution and weighs more than the Surface Pro.
No its a third...as in you can but three of them for the same price as Surface. Pro. It comes with 100GB of cloud storage...and has a memory card slot. runs a lightweight OS [and can run Ubuntu too :). Other than touch-screen something I want...if I can get android compatibility, but that has been announced on the next chrome book there is embarrassingly little in it.
Mostly because work is buying me one.
...I'm sure I would not want to work on this all day.
Makes the Macbook air just as outrageous
...and it is. Except that Apple is desirable, but the top selling laptop on Amazon right now is the chromebook http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Laptop-Computers/zgbs/electronics/565108/ref=pd_ts_zgc_e_565108_morl?pf_rd_p=1306419382&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=2956501011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1RB1ZW709NBS28NH1KWN selling for a third of the cheapest surface.
It doesn't come with a hardware keyboard or Office (unlike the Surface RT)
At the prices quoted it does the Surface Pro does not come with a keyboard at all :) those are sold separately.
"What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders,"
To be fair that quote was back in 1997 and Apple was $17 a share it has lost 20 times that in the last three months, and that was 4 years before the ipod changed Apple. Steve Jobs had only just returned to Apple...after the buyout of Next.
Ironically the 1995 Steve Jobs complained how Apple milked the Macintosh for profits and left itself vulnerable to disruption and market share collapse...fortunately Apple wouldn't do that again.
Apple has complete control over their production pipeline, software and hardware.
Microsoft is not buying Apple, its simply buying a seat on its board [a position of *influence*] with enough money to lock Dell down with Golden handcuffs, so its less building its own hardware...more making sure it sells locked [police state] Microsoft products and does not start selling Android or god forbid tries to do something innovative ironically like completely control their production pipeline, software and hardware...maybe using Linux.
That wouldn't be a mobile exclusive then, would it?
To be fair I wouldn't know which of the 700,000 games/apps I think Windows cracked 2000 in November which should post? Its not really fair with Windows having such a small store, as its self styled ecosystem is a failure.
Its off topic but is the advertising obtrusive in Angry Birds...or subtle, clearly half a million that rated the game thought otherwise with 9:1 ratio rating it five stars :) of course you can always pay a little to be be add free if you do.
OSX is a viable gaming platform
No still got the same end of the shit stick as Linux when it came to gaming. I don't think magnitude means what you think it does ;)
In fact going forward it seems unlikely that steam will be allowed to sell software in Apples police state.
commit commercial suicide
Sorry I'm not sure you really understand what is going on. Microsoft is simply taking their current business model away :), your analogy murdering them. Locking themselves into it in the past was stupid...now a desperate struggle to survive. Its the exact opposite of commercial suicide.
Steam has a strategy of cross platform gaming [desktop] and first and third party consoles running their store. Seems pretty wise to me.
When Windows was a dominant platform? You're joking, right? You aren't actually trying to suggest that mobile exclusives are a problem for Windows?
http://apps.microsoft.com/windows/en-us/app/angry-birds-space/8ece2571-91e0-4f2f-b7e5-b0b7944ced2d is that Angry Birds space for Windows 8...oh I can get it for free on Android :)http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3397519&cid=42651749#
Loki ports had a *completely* different model. Lokis business model was shocking, software was delivered later than windows; more expensive; in a poor format...and then added DRM. I'm sure many were grateful of their conversions, personally I had no time for them, and the fact that we still are not seeing many of their ports for sale not that they can be distributed digitally says it all really.
Pretending that Mac OS X was ever a viable gaming platform is a joke. It suffered from the same problems historically(sic)
one popular game that owes any part of its commercial success to the fact it was ported to Linux
I don't think you understand your own points involving it only matters that the *sales* exceeds the *cost of sale* your argument is they don't...and traditionally(sic) they didn't [platform specific tools; Apis and engines] the new world where games are often on a Linux tablet *first*, built with cross platform tools; Apis and engines those costs are massively reduced.
If your not seeing it...your not looking, ironically in an article about the largest store front of games pushing Linux as a viable platform.
When did I mention Windows?
Did I miss something I thought your point was out of Desktop Os Linux has a relatively small [but growing] market share...my point is out of total OS's Linux has the majority market share.
The whole point is post the dominant computer gaming platform used to be on your Desktop, now its more likely to phone or tablet.
The reality is the future [now] is cross platform, and Microsoft is simply not getting it.
You may not be alone... but do you seriously think that there are actually enough people like you to make this a successful venture?
...because the existing demographic(sic) has nothing to do with the future of computing. Android is set to overtake Windows this year as the dominant OS. Right now coding a Windows[Direct X] only game shuts out half of your potential audience, and Windows market share is set to decline further. The future is cross platform and steam is already there? The fact that one market is smaller than another is irrelevant when portability is not an afterthought...if it is Windows is likely to lose out not Linux.
Microsoft plans to introduce a "windows app store".
This is a huge threat to Valve's business since Microsoft wouldn't care about high margins on stuff sold in it.
No...Window *has* launched a Windows app store. Its not just a huge threat to Valve with a bundled a software shop. It threatens to become Windows only shop [copying Apples closed garden]. Microsoft intends to become the *only* place to get software on the windows platform, not undercut the opposition.
Come play our 3 games supported!
A single indie developer got all these bundles working on Linux, by my count the cream of indie gaming...you seriously think steam isn't going to add to this.
Humble Indie Bundle
Humble Indie Bundle 2
Humble Indie Bundle 3
Humble Indie Bundle 4
Humble Indie Bundle V
Humble Indie Bundle 6
Humble Indie Bundle 7
Humble Frozenbyte Bundle
Humble Frozen Synapse Bundle
Humble Voxatron Debut
Humble Introversion Bundle
Humble Botanicula Debut
Humble Bundle for Android
Humble Bundle for Android 2
Humble Bundle for Android 3
Humble Bundle for Android 4
That's great and all but there are less Linux games on Steam than even for OS X. And having to hope that the ~90% of Windows that games that will never be ported will work in Wine is not a good proposition.
Absolutely...but that was when Windows was a dominant platform. Increasingly we are seeing games exclusive to android, and not appearing on windows at all, and we are seeing the launch of by my count 4 Linux based consoles this year. Games are coming to Linux thick and fast the Humble Bundle games alone total 70+...and that is a small independent developer, nothing like the size of Steam.
Now all I need is Office to work on Linux
Your the only one everyone else is moving to Libreoffice and Google Docs, The iPad proved that few really need or want office..but then its off-topic. Ironically the best selling laptop right now on Amazon is a Chromebook guess your list of requirements is out of touch with most users..
seriously though http://www.libreoffice.org/ is great.
The year of Linux on the (gaming) Desktop?
It was May 2010 that the Humble Bundle launched it has had 7 Cross Platform Desktop versions...4 others that include Android...and 6 Developer Specific bundles, already proving Linux as a viable gaming platform.
Steam is late to the the party. In reality the new world its "cross platform gaming" that is becoming increasing important as Windows as both a platform and a brand lose relevance.
This is the year...
...that Windows fucked gamers/steam, pushing users onto alternative platforms [and I mean Android], but providing an unpleasant Desktop experience, with a future that promises censored gaming, and alternative stores locked out. Ironically I'm counting 3 Linux console launches this year so far[one of them from steam], and Android the best known Linux is set to overtake Window in Market share this year [some figures claim it already had happened] http://www.tomshardware.com/gallery/IDC-GS,0101-366874-0-2-3-1-png-.html...not Desktop enough for you...in case you were still wondering the Chromebook is STILL the best selling laptop on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Laptop-Computers/zgbs/electronics/565108/ref=pd_ts_zgc_e_565108_morl?pf_rd_p=1299888842&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=565108&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1J8F0Q3S9TFWX2J2ZRAD
Get over it the pack of four is all people talk about...and Microsoft is not one of them.
Without the iPhone or iPad, Apple would still be very profitable
...no it wouldn't what a load of rubbish,its profits would take a massive dive instantly. Most of their profits come from the iPhone. Secondly without the iPhone/iPad is Apple relevant.
Quite frankly, crap like this makes me want to get out of the stock market altogether.
Like every other Apple shareholder that is why the value of 13 Dells market cap got wiped off Apples Market cap in three months. I notice Apple shares continue to plunge..currently hugging just above 500. Its also why you see less people singing Apples praises here.
In reference to spin. "Apple's orders for iPhone 5 screens for the January-March quarter...dropped to roughly half" and "The latest model comes with a longer, four-inch screen compared with the 3.5-inch screens used in all previous iPhone models.". There is no wiggle room there.
MS pays Nokia 1B/year in much needed money to aid in the transition.
...and I suspect that is personally why everyone is currently going along with this madness,if they break the agreement with Microsoft now...Microsoft will want there money back. In real terms however the last figures I saw of costs of transition to Windows Phone was 10Billion...the cost in terms of staff, output, brand obviously make this figure a lot higher.
Didn't you say something similar about 10 or 15 years ago?
...I doubt it. Ironically in the context of this article Android the Os that Nokia did not choose is set to overtake Windows in Market share this year to become the dominant OS...and Sells 1.5million daily. Windows Phone sold 4.4Million...and is already expecting to sell less next quarter in its own release..
wp blows android and iPhone away.
Posted ac as I can't be stuffed logging in.
Its not true. If it was you would have been able to make a logged in post.