There are lots of people in the EU still using IE. And as choice is mandatory there, obviously they chose to use it.
Sorry this is not my argument. Using IE is like pulling teeth after using a real browser. If it had been my comment I would question the reasons why someone is using IE, or not choosing something else. The reality is I suspect all knowledge and capable computer users are using [choosing] an alternative browser, all the browser choice box does is reduce some of the worst excesses, but then by the very nature of a bundled browser. Choosing an alternative browser is always opt-in [amongst other things].
So I'd say there is your proof: many Americans choose IE over the alternatives.
I don't care for your logic, but ironically you have proved the reverse, Americans don't choose IE, which is why it has a larger market share than places where a choice is mandatory.
But, it could put a huge dent in both's market share.
I'm intrigued how. Microsoft Phone failed when it had positive reviews; Nokia still had reasonable market share, and a plan to convert existing users from Symbian it didn't work. Samsung and HTC and LG [now android exclusive and profitable again] were manufactures that didn't work. It had an opportunity to convert that tiny market share by growing its own group of fanatics; It threw them under the bus with an OS update. Arguing its an improved OS on improved hardware is not enough, iOS and Android both have improved hardware and OS's, and will not stumble. In all likelihood Microsoft will be less successful, and is less resilient to mistakes..
The bottom line though is right now people desire iOS and Android phones...but aren't interested in Windows Phone whatever the version or hardware. The new strategy looks a lot like the old strategy, with the exception of Windows 8 ecosystem [sic], and the treat to OEM's of first party hardware [whatever you think of that]. I personally cannot think of one single compelling reason why my next phone should be windows, and multiple reasons why not, and your arguments reflect that.
You're talking about previous versions of Windows Phone. Windows Phone 8 is a different OS, and the phones are actually decent now (hardware wise, on par with top android phones).
Windows Phone 8 has only been on sale a few days, so there is no possible way you could be confident in that.
2013 will be the year of Windows Phone:)
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"Less well" by what metric?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1002261-apple-why-the-recent-drop-is-unjustified Its a nice little article that covers why apples shares recently dropped, and unlike me argues for a brighter future so you may consider it balanced, and covers some of the measures of performance of a company like Apple in easy to read language, and some nice graphs.
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Apple had a decline in Gross Margin from 40.3% to 40.0%, in the context of a 33% increase in profits compared to the year-ago quarter, is selling more iPhones than it ever has and has $121 Billion in cash reserves: Apple is currently very successful. (Based on its 2012 Q4 earnings release)
If you want to claim that in the future they will decline you can, but to credibly claim any current decline requires more evidence than a tiny variation in gross margin.
Apple does not sell Easter eggs or Christmas trees it sells electronics. Apples market share has dropped from 23% to 14.9% [IDC figures others are worse]. I'm not really sure why being cash rich is good. I'm glad that you brought up the Q4 earnings which contained the bombshell that Apple only managed to sell 14million ipads [a drop of 70%] guess we are going to see a further drop in Market share from its current 50.4%. Oh and Gross Margin has dropped from 47% to 40%:) Its expected to drop to 36%
The bottom line is Apple is sacrificing market share for the sake of profits, and that will end badly.
8 has only been out a month and already prognosticators know the future.
BS
One month and its already unloved. The bottom line is the product is not going to change, and the opportunity to make an impact has gone. what is likely to change in future that will massively reverse its fortunes.
I loaded up the RTM version in VMware and played with it a few minutes. Oh, I have loaded up GNOME3 and Unity for a few minutes too. Nothing to see here; move along. They're all still regressive and get in the way of the user efficiently doing his work.
I would take "Gnome Shell" and Unity over Windows 8, but unlike Windows 8 these can be swapped out for alternatives "mate" and "Cinnamon" [sometimes called a traditional desktop, or replaced entirely with KDE; XFCE, personally I am running Gnome3 with Cinnamon and loving it. I suspect my next desktop will be E17.
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LOL that is the funniest think I ever read. Its market share drop is due to Apple performing less well than they expected [Apple were not the only one down, Google to name one were down]. The main reasons were poor sales of the iPhone 5, The iPod market vanishing, and lower gross profit %.
People have been saying that Microsoft is just on the edge of falling for decades now.
The difference today is different. Microsoft with its monopolistic position and vast cash reserves, bullying tactics, and the usual things FUD; EEE etc could buy; bride; bully the competition into submission. Microsoft controlled the OS...so it was a Microsoft World.
Microsoft hasn't changed, the world has . Its competitors Apple; Google; Amazon; Facebook are in some cases bigger, and all are more successful in their fields, and have too much money to be bought; bribed or bullied. Its not stopped it trying, its just not really effective. The other side is computing has moved away from the OS its about the Internet whether you call it Web 2.0 or the cloud, and its moving away from the Desktop, and onto phones and tablets; Microsoft has been joke in those areas for a long time. P
The article is a huge sham, and makes all kinds of claims that it simply can't back up. For example, the claim that Windows phones aren't selling.
I'm pretty confident that Windows phones aren't selling. in fact its still being outsold by Symbian and Bada...and RIM. Moving exclusivity to windows Phone destroyed Nokia.
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But isn't the point that Windows 8 is to force change. Most of the new Windows 8 tablets and PCs come with touch. The interface Windows 8 is built for and seems to work fairly well on (at least as well as Android or iOS). I see no sign that Microsoft ever hoped we will also use Windows 8 on equipment released before October this year.
The point of Windows 8 is to force change...I suspect their goal should have been to meet users needs. As for Windows 8 working well. You need to use it. It is trying to be both Wimp/Widgets+Launcher at the same time and ends up a mess; its awful for both Mobile and Desktop users. Comparing it to the mature products of both iOS and Android [or even earlier versions of Windows] is an insult to both.
The sad fact is maybe if they hadn't used Windows 8 to force change you could have ended up with two better products, one for mobile and one for desktop, whether these would have been as good as the alternatives is a different matter, but then its about Microsoft forcing itself into the mobile market, not about quality of product, and it shows.
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Only on slashdot can you get a comment that Apple is not doing well in the mobile market. You are absolutely out of your mind.
...and yet I can back it up with facts and figures:). Seriously the most "valuable company on earth" just lost a lot of its value recently with its shares dopping 700-->535 thats a lot of the value gone in a couple of months.
As for their goal of "maximise profits, not to maximise market share" is working out badly for them as they are losing market share faster than RIM, and thir Gross profits % are down. These are maturing markets, and Apple is unable to compete against Android, perhaps they need a better goal:)
I observe that Windows 8 hasn't been out long enough to tell yet what the penetration will be, same for Surface, and Windows Phone... well, he might have a point there.
I think Nokia ex-shareholders would agree that Microsoft phone still outsold by Symbian and Bada is a failure. Surface sales are described by the the most enthusiastic man on earth as "modest". Windows 8 will be a great success...like Vista was.
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I don't really understand why there is so much hatred of the Windows 8 interface. Why not just continue using Windows 7?
...because its not very good in fact its very bad. They are not emotional about it pretending otherwise is ridiculous. Adopting a old version of the software. Is not a solution, it is delaying the inevitable. Windows 9 if anything will move further down this path.
I see a lot of criticism of Windows 8, but I don't see a lot of folks that have actually tried to use it with a touch screen device.
Loads of people have tried it, what are you talking about. People also have installed copies on their machine. Its been released. Reviewers have been given free hardware, and their are displays everywhere. Its Awful.
Seriously its not even funny any more; Microsoft continuing failure in these markets. Microsoft is not so much in decline, its the same horrible abusive monopoly it always was. Its just that even with its monopoly its failed to breaking to Electonics [Google, Apple] and the internet [Facebook; Amazon; Google].
Windows 8 is just its next attempt at using its monopoly on the Desktop to break into these markets. [whatever you think of that]
I'm still in awe of anyone calling themselves that. I'm not even surprised for a minute that someone who calls themselves claims with a straight face that they cannot install Linux. Personally I buy hardware to work with the OS not the other way around.
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Apple still does well with walled gardens all over the fucking place.
No Apple is in pretty much the same status quo it was on the Desktop since forever...and its influence in mobile has dropped to under 15%. Android is doing pretty well...Apple not so much.
Apple shares are now priced at 535 from 700 just a couple of months ago. Its market share in tablets has dropped to 50.4%, and its smartphones down from 23.1 to 14.9% in a couple of quarters. Its saving grace [as a company, not so good for its consumers] are its massive mark-ups on it products, but even those proving difficult to maintain, as its cost of producing devices has increased, driving its gross profits down. Its now announced that Apple themselves in a new step is letting 3rd Party retailers take a large profit in its "me too" device the ipad mini, in the hope it will gain traction in the saturated with great devices "small tablet" [or as Jobs says "Tweener"] market. Apple did awfully well under Jobs bringing in all the early adopter money, but now these markets are mature, and its arguably behind the opposition [Android] in both hardware and software; Apple are undeniably in decline.
In context of this article Microsoft is a "never was" in mobile, and still has a monopoly in Desktop, the fact that they are taking a safe [and lets be honest profitable] gamble on making Windows 8 a hybrid!? OS that fails in all areas. Following Apple into an established market with the same bullshit and bullying tactics [lol and Office] it always has, using New Apples [Old Apple would have tried to reinvent...or find a new market] playbook, taking everything people don't like about Apple [whatever the fanatics say] and pretend those are the things that made Apple successful, rather that being more Open; Standard orientated...and hell being innovative, and Cheaper...like say Android...Oh!
You made a mistake in punctuation. I fixed it for you. You're welcome.
This is a quote from Sony Global Earning release. Maybe you should leave my comments alone.
"Sales increased 112.1% year-on-year (a 125% increase on a constant currency basis) to 300.4 billion yen (3,851 million U.S. dollars). This increase was primarily due to the consolidation of Sony Mobile from February 2012, partially offset by significantly lower sales of PCs resulting from a decline in unit sales."
The last numbers I saw had Apple with 71% of the profits, Samsung with 37% of the profits, HTC with 1.x% of the profits and [everyone else] is *losing money.
*which is how the profits add up to >100%
Again show me the working. I would love to see it:). I want to see solid figures. As I said its a poor guestimate by a fanboy, quoted by other fanboys.
not only have you not provided a source for your 23.1% number, you also showed that in the quarter people waited for the iPhone 5 to come out
Interactive graph too difficult for you to look at. Move your mouse over it. If a graph is too difficult for you to read, simply look at previous IDC figures.:). FYI it wasn't the quarter people where waiting for the iPhone to come out....it was the quarter the iPhone did come out:).
That is an increase from 13.8 to 14.9%. Not a decrease.
Unfortunately the iPhone is not a Christmas tree, last years Q3 is not representative of this years Q3. Phones aren't seasonal. Look at the *interactive* graph at the bottom. More worrying For Apple than anything is Q312 actually contained the launch of the iPhone5.
It's much better than ubuntu - with names like "Wanking Warthog", "Horny Heron", and "Onanistic Ocelot", it's no wonder corporations don't take them seriously.
The adoption rate in enterprise has clearly nothing to do with its codename. I think its the usual reasons Monopolistic abuse. Oddly the most used OS's in mobile have the least stern names. I guess that is why Microsoft is a failure in mobile.
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There are lots of people in the EU still using IE. And as choice is mandatory there, obviously they chose to use it.
Sorry this is not my argument. Using IE is like pulling teeth after using a real browser. If it had been my comment I would question the reasons why someone is using IE, or not choosing something else. The reality is I suspect all knowledge and capable computer users are using [choosing] an alternative browser, all the browser choice box does is reduce some of the worst excesses, but then by the very nature of a bundled browser. Choosing an alternative browser is always opt-in [amongst other things].
So I'd say there is your proof: many Americans choose IE over the alternatives.
I don't care for your logic, but ironically you have proved the reverse, Americans don't choose IE, which is why it has a larger market share than places where a choice is mandatory.
But, it could put a huge dent in both's market share.
I'm intrigued how. Microsoft Phone failed when it had positive reviews; Nokia still had reasonable market share, and a plan to convert existing users from Symbian it didn't work. Samsung and HTC and LG [now android exclusive and profitable again] were manufactures that didn't work. It had an opportunity to convert that tiny market share by growing its own group of fanatics; It threw them under the bus with an OS update. Arguing its an improved OS on improved hardware is not enough, iOS and Android both have improved hardware and OS's, and will not stumble. In all likelihood Microsoft will be less successful, and is less resilient to mistakes..
The bottom line though is right now people desire iOS and Android phones...but aren't interested in Windows Phone whatever the version or hardware. The new strategy looks a lot like the old strategy, with the exception of Windows 8 ecosystem [sic], and the treat to OEM's of first party hardware [whatever you think of that]. I personally cannot think of one single compelling reason why my next phone should be windows, and multiple reasons why not, and your arguments reflect that.
You're talking about previous versions of Windows Phone. Windows Phone 8 is a different OS, and the phones are actually decent now (hardware wise, on par with top android phones).
Windows Phone 8 has only been on sale a few days, so there is no possible way you could be confident in that.
2013 will be the year of Windows Phone :)
"Less well" by what metric?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1002261-apple-why-the-recent-drop-is-unjustified Its a nice little article that covers why apples shares recently dropped, and unlike me argues for a brighter future so you may consider it balanced, and covers some of the measures of performance of a company like Apple in easy to read language, and some nice graphs.
Apple had a decline in Gross Margin from 40.3% to 40.0%, in the context of a 33% increase in profits compared to the year-ago quarter, is selling more iPhones than it ever has and has $121 Billion in cash reserves: Apple is currently very successful. (Based on its 2012 Q4 earnings release)
If you want to claim that in the future they will decline you can, but to credibly claim any current decline requires more evidence than a tiny variation in gross margin.
Apple does not sell Easter eggs or Christmas trees it sells electronics. Apples market share has dropped from 23% to 14.9% [IDC figures others are worse]. I'm not really sure why being cash rich is good. I'm glad that you brought up the Q4 earnings which contained the bombshell that Apple only managed to sell 14million ipads [a drop of 70%] guess we are going to see a further drop in Market share from its current 50.4%. Oh and Gross Margin has dropped from 47% to 40% :) Its expected to drop to 36%
The bottom line is Apple is sacrificing market share for the sake of profits, and that will end badly.
8 has only been out a month and already prognosticators
know the future.
BS
One month and its already unloved. The bottom line is the product is not going to change, and the opportunity to make an impact has gone. what is likely to change in future that will massively reverse its fortunes.
I loaded up the RTM version in VMware and played with it a few minutes. Oh, I have loaded up GNOME3 and Unity for a few minutes too. Nothing to see here; move along. They're all still regressive and get in the way of the user efficiently doing his work.
I would take "Gnome Shell" and Unity over Windows 8, but unlike Windows 8 these can be swapped out for alternatives "mate" and "Cinnamon" [sometimes called a traditional desktop, or replaced entirely with KDE; XFCE, personally I am running Gnome3 with Cinnamon and loving it. I suspect my next desktop will be E17.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/11/09/apple-its-mojo-and-doug-kass/
LOL that is the funniest think I ever read. Its market share drop is due to Apple performing less well than they expected [Apple were not the only one down, Google to name one were down]. The main reasons were poor sales of the iPhone 5, The iPod market vanishing, and lower gross profit %.
People have been saying that Microsoft is just on the edge of falling for decades now.
The difference today is different. Microsoft with its monopolistic position and vast cash reserves, bullying tactics, and the usual things FUD; EEE etc could buy; bride; bully the competition into submission. Microsoft controlled the OS...so it was a Microsoft World.
Microsoft hasn't changed, the world has . Its competitors Apple; Google; Amazon; Facebook are in some cases bigger, and all are more successful in their fields, and have too much money to be bought; bribed or bullied. Its not stopped it trying, its just not really effective. The other side is computing has moved away from the OS its about the Internet whether you call it Web 2.0 or the cloud, and its moving away from the Desktop, and onto phones and tablets; Microsoft has been joke in those areas for a long time.
P
The article is a huge sham, and makes all kinds of claims that it simply can't back up. For example, the claim that Windows phones aren't selling.
I'm pretty confident that Windows phones aren't selling. in fact its still being outsold by Symbian and Bada...and RIM. Moving exclusivity to windows Phone destroyed Nokia.
But isn't the point that Windows 8 is to force change. Most of the new Windows 8 tablets and PCs come with touch. The interface Windows 8 is built for and seems to work fairly well on (at least as well as Android or iOS). I see no sign that Microsoft ever hoped we will also use Windows 8 on equipment released before October this year.
The point of Windows 8 is to force change...I suspect their goal should have been to meet users needs. As for Windows 8 working well. You need to use it. It is trying to be both Wimp/Widgets+Launcher at the same time and ends up a mess; its awful for both Mobile and Desktop users. Comparing it to the mature products of both iOS and Android [or even earlier versions of Windows] is an insult to both.
The sad fact is maybe if they hadn't used Windows 8 to force change you could have ended up with two better products, one for mobile and one for desktop, whether these would have been as good as the alternatives is a different matter, but then its about Microsoft forcing itself into the mobile market, not about quality of product, and it shows.
Only on slashdot can you get a comment that Apple is not doing well in the mobile market. You are absolutely out of your mind.
...and yet I can back it up with facts and figures :). Seriously the most "valuable company on earth" just lost a lot of its value recently with its shares dopping 700-->535 thats a lot of the value gone in a couple of months.
As for their goal of "maximise profits, not to maximise market share" is working out badly for them as they are losing market share faster than RIM, and thir Gross profits % are down. These are maturing markets, and Apple is unable to compete against Android, perhaps they need a better goal :)
Lets be honest Apple increasingly less relevant.
I observe that Windows 8 hasn't been out long enough to tell yet what the penetration will be, same for Surface, and Windows Phone... well, he might have a point there.
I think Nokia ex-shareholders would agree that Microsoft phone still outsold by Symbian and Bada is a failure. Surface sales are described by the the most enthusiastic man on earth as "modest". Windows 8 will be a great success...like Vista was.
I don't really understand why there is so much hatred of the Windows 8 interface. Why not just continue using Windows 7?
...because its not very good in fact its very bad. They are not emotional about it pretending otherwise is ridiculous. Adopting a old version of the software. Is not a solution, it is delaying the inevitable. Windows 9 if anything will move further down this path.
I see a lot of criticism of Windows 8, but I don't see a lot of folks that have actually tried to use it with a touch screen device.
Loads of people have tried it, what are you talking about. People also have installed copies on their machine. Its been released. Reviewers have been given free hardware, and their are displays everywhere. Its Awful.
Year of Microsoft Mobile 2013
Year of Microsoft Internet 2013
Seriously its not even funny any more; Microsoft continuing failure in these markets. Microsoft is not so much in decline, its the same horrible abusive monopoly it always was. Its just that even with its monopoly its failed to breaking to Electonics [Google, Apple] and the internet [Facebook; Amazon; Google].
Windows 8 is just its next attempt at using its monopoly on the Desktop to break into these markets. [whatever you think of that]
I'm a bit of a hardware power user.
I'm still in awe of anyone calling themselves that. I'm not even surprised for a minute that someone who calls themselves claims with a straight face that they cannot install Linux. Personally I buy hardware to work with the OS not the other way around.
Apple still does well with walled gardens all over the fucking place.
No Apple is in pretty much the same status quo it was on the Desktop since forever...and its influence in mobile has dropped to under 15%. Android is doing pretty well...Apple not so much.
Apple shares are now priced at 535 from 700 just a couple of months ago. Its market share in tablets has dropped to 50.4%, and its smartphones down from 23.1 to 14.9% in a couple of quarters. Its saving grace [as a company, not so good for its consumers] are its massive mark-ups on it products, but even those proving difficult to maintain, as its cost of producing devices has increased, driving its gross profits down. Its now announced that Apple themselves in a new step is letting 3rd Party retailers take a large profit in its "me too" device the ipad mini, in the hope it will gain traction in the saturated with great devices "small tablet" [or as Jobs says "Tweener"] market. Apple did awfully well under Jobs bringing in all the early adopter money, but now these markets are mature, and its arguably behind the opposition [Android] in both hardware and software; Apple are undeniably in decline.
In context of this article Microsoft is a "never was" in mobile, and still has a monopoly in Desktop, the fact that they are taking a safe [and lets be honest profitable] gamble on making Windows 8 a hybrid!? OS that fails in all areas. Following Apple into an established market with the same bullshit and bullying tactics [lol and Office] it always has, using New Apples [Old Apple would have tried to reinvent...or find a new market] playbook, taking everything people don't like about Apple [whatever the fanatics say] and pretend those are the things that made Apple successful, rather that being more Open; Standard orientated...and hell being innovative, and Cheaper...like say Android...Oh!
You made a mistake in punctuation. I fixed it for you. You're welcome.
This is a quote from Sony Global Earning release. Maybe you should leave my comments alone.
"Sales increased 112.1% year-on-year (a 125% increase on a constant currency basis) to 300.4 billion yen (3,851 million U.S. dollars). This increase was primarily due to the consolidation of Sony Mobile from February 2012, partially offset by significantly lower sales of PCs resulting from a decline in unit sales."
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/index.html
The last numbers I saw had Apple with 71% of the profits, Samsung with 37% of the profits, HTC with 1.x% of the profits and [everyone else] is *losing money.
*which is how the profits add up to >100%
Again show me the working. I would love to see it :). I want to see solid figures. As I said its a poor guestimate by a fanboy, quoted by other fanboys.
not only have you not provided a source for your 23.1% number, you also showed that in the quarter people waited for the iPhone 5 to come out
Interactive graph too difficult for you to look at. Move your mouse over it. If a graph is too difficult for you to read, simply look at previous IDC figures. :). FYI it wasn't the quarter people where waiting for the iPhone to come out....it was the quarter the iPhone did come out :).
That is an increase from 13.8 to 14.9%. Not a decrease.
Unfortunately the iPhone is not a Christmas tree, last years Q3 is not representative of this years Q3. Phones aren't seasonal. Look at the *interactive* graph at the bottom. More worrying For Apple than anything is Q312 actually contained the launch of the iPhone5.
It's much better than ubuntu - with names like "Wanking Warthog", "Horny Heron", and "Onanistic Ocelot", it's no wonder corporations don't take them seriously.
Yeah right its the name!?
Unlike Microsoft - Whistler, Longhorn, Blackbomb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_codenames
Android - Cupcake, Donught, Eclair ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
Linux Pink Farting Weasel, Holy Dancing Manatees, Batman!, Jeff Thinks I Should Change This, But To What?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names
OS X Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X
The adoption rate in enterprise has clearly nothing to do with its codename. I think its the usual reasons Monopolistic abuse. Oddly the most used OS's in mobile have the least stern names. I guess that is why Microsoft is a failure in mobile.