I immediately install KDE4....And I am not exactly saying they are zealots
I see your promoting something by calling the other side zealots...its kind of sad that we live in that world. KDE is an excellent windows manager [and XFCE is too]. Many people including myself love Gnome and gnome applications...we are just not particularly enamoured by either Unity of Gnome Shell [even though they have got an awful lot better]. There is friendly competition between Gnome and KDE, but its just that friendly.
Personally having noticed E17 is at alpha, it the first time I have been excited for a windows manager release for sometime. That is going to be my next desktop.
I am skeptic about how valid Distrowatch's score is.....It's like that commenter above that asked about what made Mint good and didn't get a single answer other than "it's not Ubuntu".
You should read through the comments. People on the whole love Debian, and love Ubuntu's spin on Debian. Most mint users also *love* Ubuntu. What they don't love is "Unity" They love "Cinnomon". In fact thats what they talk about in the summary.
Look at the pictures. One comes with a menu panel...the other a full screen of applications icons similar to a smartphone.
People are not zealots, they are exercising choice on a platform that allows it. In fact Mint is basically Ubuntu with Unity replace with Cinnamon. In fact so many people prefer cinnamon over unity mint has become the most popular download on distrowatch.
I actually donated to Linux Mint about a month ago, and yet I've given up Linux (again) for Windows 7 (again) due to a lack of comparable software (no, 80% functionality isn't good enough compared to the 100% I get with Windows unfortunately). So I feel kinda stupid for donating and yet still abandoning the operating system. Then again, I do appreciate Linux on an intellectual level so hopefully it helps.
I gave up on Windows 7 for the same reason, and moved full time to Mint. I just cannot find the same functional programs I can on Linux, or they are riddled with malware, or they can charge thousands to do basic things, and I have to sacrifice my privacy to do so, all I end up doing is installing those programs I know from Linux, only I have a massive headache in maintaining all the packages. I gave up in the end after the OS I was using was tied to the hardware it was on? I had to use a live distribution to rescue my data. Hell it didn't even do 80% of the things I wanted, In fact frighteningly it restricted me from doing things I wanted. *shudder*. As for Windows 8 well... No wonder windows lost in mobile where it doesn't have a monopoly.
Yep, so it is (according to ZDNet). And you know something? I never heard of it before. Maybe that says I'm not paying attention — or maybe it says that nobody cares about desktop Linux any more.
You want us to care? Tell us why.
Because Windows is failing to make an impact in the modern world, but Linux owns it:). Your trolling
You know, I can't make a whole lot of sense out of your writing. Which fits. You can't be bothered to express yourself clearly
Having reread my post. Its not bad. The reality is I use "Mint because I do not want or use Unity"...and your right, its confusing blobs, but its no less confusing than I'm "sticking with windows 7 because I don't want Metro".
The worrying think here is you have posted 8 times in this forum, actually proud at your basic lack of knowledge. You are I suspect being disingenuous.
Bottom line is that the arrogant Gnome developers gave everyone who uses Gnome no choice.
To be fair you can't blame Gnome on this one. I agree with what you have posted, but Mint replaced Unity with Cinnomon [and Mate] not Gnome shell. Its actually a subtle difference.
Maybe everybody but me keeps up with all the strange little Linux distros.
Short Answer : There is only Ubuntu
Longer Answer: If your not interested in Linux your shouldn't. That is the short answer, and even if you are interested in linux you shouldn't. The reality is. Distributions [Distro for short] are just that collections packages [Applications/Modules Building Blocks that make up a modern OS with sensible selection of programs] together in essence a kernel[BSD/Linux] Userland[GNU] + Display Server[X and Wayland] + Windows Manager[KDE/Gnome/XFCE] + Office Package[LibreOffice Calligra Suite] + Internet Browser....you get the idea.
Now because Linux can be tailored for different processors processors [ARM;Mips...] different community is [Religious Christianity and Location Brazilian] Specialist [Boot Disks; Extra Secure]...but if your using any of these then you know why! there is even a Ubuntu Satanic Edition http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/ Satanists.
But mainstream there really is only Debian, Ubuntu(Popular Debian variant), and Fedora(You have heard of Red Hat) [Yes I could easily add a couple more:)]. In context of this article Mint should be considered Ubuntu without Unity[Its own Metro nighmare]
In case I haven't enphasised how stupid and out of date this post I include this quote from the original article "“At this point in the year, Nokia will have to grow its Windows Phone business 5000% in 2012 just to offset its declines in Symbian shipments,” says Michael Morgan, senior analyst, devices, applications & content.
But you are comparing 1 company (Apple) to the multiple companies who sell Android devices (Samsung, LG, Sony, Google themselves and now apparently HTC). Certainly, Apple's market share has shrunk as other companies enter the market wit competitive products. This does not however, spell the imminent demise of Apple.
I will ignore your out of date figures. we are now have quarter 3 figures published, and again you have failed to supply a breakdown of profits for smartphones, or even an explanation of how the current figure is worked out [seriously they do not exist]. Please do not twist my comments into what they are not. I have nowhere claimed there Apples "imminent demise", I personally believe they have failed to make the transition from new market to mature market, and its already started to hurt them.
I would love a breakdown of profit by company on a hardware and content combined basis, but you again fail to supply a list. A mythical figure combing Apple with Samsung is equally a nonsense especially when trying to prove Apples relevance.
The bottom line is Apple is losing Market share, and its desire to keep its massive profits is the problem.The very thing you are trying to defend.
You know that the windows desktop has become full of advertising widgets, and oversized buttons, replacing links to files and programs, and running applicants, and a menu button, as well as a big space to organise files and links to important places.
Well Mint gives you that back, either by supplying you a prior to change version(MATE) or a updated version that looks and feels like the version prior to the change(Cinnamon)
Think of updating to Windows 8 and keeping your Windows 7 Desktop.
Seriously Unity and Gnome 3 and Windows 8 are big news.
Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?
Ubuntu is the "go to" version of GNU\Linux, based on the incredibly good Debian, but supports features without sacrificing too much stability, and because it has some money thrown at it. Has rightfully become the most popular distribution out there.
Unfortunately Gnome; Microsoft; Apple; Canonical have all made the decision that the future is ditching mice and keyboard, and running our fingers all over the screen.
Mint has become popular simply by supplying a desktop that those of us who still love mice and keyboards love [whatever you think of that]
In short its a great new OS release, get it downloaded and installed now...or at least read the article before posting on Slashdot.
Your figures need citations... looks like you're talking about the US only, where, indeed, Apple is in third place. Despite this, in 2012 alone, Apple has had more growth in mobile marketshare than any other single company, and their marketshare will continue to grow. But you go ahead and believe what you want in your twisted fantasy world, because outside of that, your worst nightmares are coming true.
Not sure where this nonsense really came from, HTC were *very* successful last year on the back of Android, now other companies are producing more compelling products, and it sells less [there are other reasons], but HTC is still profitable, its just it has the same cost of sales...with lower sales. They are very far from their last legs. They are not Nokia.
As for Microsoft HTC was originally the goto manufacturer for Microsoft phones,and I don't think they ever stopped [even samsung make micosoft phones]. If they are successful they have the opportunity to steal that 2% windows market share!? from Nokia.
I agree that patents and/or patent protection is what this deal...and the new Microsoft phones are about [and that they are happening as HTC is weakened], but information is sparse. HTC still sell a lot of smartphones, and most of those are Android. Its going to be an Android manufacturer for a long time to come.
Uh... you're delusional. Apple is doing better than it has ever done... wait, scratch that... Apple is now more profitable than any company in history ever. kthxbai.
Its market share in mobile phones has dropped from 23.1% to 14.9% its tablet share has dropped to 50.4%. Its ipod shares have shrunk to nothing, Android outsell Apple 5:1.
"the days of any Apple dominance are over in pursuit of those profits" I pretty much stand by that quote. The reality is Apple is have been riding high on market dominance [real and perceived] cashing in on all the and adopter money with massive mark-ups...but these are now mature markets. Apple has nowhere to go and its massive share drop reflects that. Lets face it its an Android world now.
The US market is irrelevant. The world market is, and Sony are now the 4th largest manufacturer of smartphones in the world [up from 7th]. Sony phones are doing awfully well.
Meanwhile, Federal Trade Commission staff have formally recommended that the government sue Google over anti-trust violations involving the licensing of FRAND patents.
LOL android is free. Patent abuse will of course continue, with Microsoft, and Apple abusing the system for there own gains. The bottom line is Microsoft phones have hit a high of...2%, and Apples are down from 23.1% to 14.9%. Clearly they should be innovating instead of litigating.
The reality is though Patent settlements are what the mobile industry have *always* been about. Hell its part of the reason why FRAND exists.
Have I missed something here? The One X+ which is out in the coming days ships with Android, doesn't it?
LG have benefited from dropping Microsoft and focussing on Android. HTC claimed [and I would agree with them] that one of the reasons for its drop in the market was sending a confusing message to customers with too many models. That said, If HTC is large enough to support multiple platforms. I think it *could* be a great idea, unfortunately I think creating a new market with an exciting product could have been great. I suspect sharing the 2% *Microsoft* share of the market a bad idea; choosing a failed product and trying to make it work where other companies have failed, although in context of this Article, choosing Microsoft may well have been necessary for the negotiations.
Apple and Samsung take home something like 95% of all mobile PROFITS
LOL there is no share of profits, There are only profits...and these companies are making profits on phones. This is a lie and you can't show me the figures. Apple does overcharge its customers, but lets face it posting bullshit from the days when we still talked about the "iphone killer" simply do not fly now, even the Samsung Galaxy on its own outsells the iphone, are we meant to pretend that Google makes nothing from its play store and advertising. Bury your head in the sand, Android has hit 75% and your still claiming it to be unporfitable. You live in fantasy land.
Ironically the days of any Apple dominance are over in pursuit of those profits. In fact in the Android market Apple is struggling to remain relevant.
That's because us iPhone owners don't care I change my wallpaper once every 6 months or so. I cant even remember if I even set my iPhone 5's wallpaper
...but the market has noticed. The market is noticing that Apple are behind on both software and hardware, and better value phones are available elsewhere, which is why Android outsells Apple 5:1.
Maybe Apple should focus on providing a great experience so disappointing users, like those over maps will not happen again. Rather than pretending the opposition its working day and night to provide great products.
Samsung is android at this point. they are the only ones making money in the android phone sector. at least in the USA. everyone else is losing money
Simply not true, Sony is making awfully inroads. In fact its counteracting loses on its PC's. Ironically LG now they have got rid of Microsoft are profitable again. Asus is posted great success with its new nexus tablets. I also believe Google are doing quite nicely, and recently are going to focus on mobile first not second. Huawei and ZTE is doing great too. Lets be honest its a smartphone market...its an Android market
Just because your iPhone is failing, with its massive drop in market share from 23.1% to 14.9% does not mean the rest of the industry is doing badly:)
Well of course they care only about performance Its all their user base really cares about.
To be fair...nobody is interested in security until things go wrong, they will and they do. Then its look for a scapegoat, and the solution is to remove rights and privacy of the individual for the illusion protection, throw in a few laws, that only affect the law abiding and decent. Then we live in fear.
...If I looks like I could be talking about anything...I am; The strategies are the same for everything.
Those are the tables and graphs, I think they speak for themselves. I do not need to cherry pick. In fact I agree with your figures that Apple is making more sales..it is, but they are growing slower than the overall market. Those are the facts. I understand your spin "more sales"; mine is "shrinking marketshare".
The question I keep asking is Apple relevant at 14.9% will it still be relevant at 10%...what about 5%. I wonder what will happen then.
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I immediately install KDE4....And I am not exactly saying they are zealots
I see your promoting something by calling the other side zealots...its kind of sad that we live in that world. KDE is an excellent windows manager [and XFCE is too]. Many people including myself love Gnome and gnome applications...we are just not particularly enamoured by either Unity of Gnome Shell [even though they have got an awful lot better]. There is friendly competition between Gnome and KDE, but its just that friendly.
Personally having noticed E17 is at alpha, it the first time I have been excited for a windows manager release for sometime. That is going to be my next desktop.
Cinnamon Is...http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
I am skeptic about how valid Distrowatch's score is.....It's like that commenter above that asked about what made Mint good and didn't get a single answer other than "it's not Ubuntu".
You should read through the comments. People on the whole love Debian, and love Ubuntu's spin on Debian. Most mint users also *love* Ubuntu. What they don't love is "Unity" They love "Cinnomon". In fact thats what they talk about in the summary.
Unity
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface)
Cinnamon
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http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/
Look at the pictures. One comes with a menu panel...the other a full screen of applications icons similar to a smartphone.
People are not zealots, they are exercising choice on a platform that allows it. In fact Mint is basically Ubuntu with Unity replace with Cinnamon. In fact so many people prefer cinnamon over unity mint has become the most popular download on distrowatch.
I actually donated to Linux Mint about a month ago, and yet I've given up Linux (again) for Windows 7 (again) due to a lack of comparable software (no, 80% functionality isn't good enough compared to the 100% I get with Windows unfortunately). So I feel kinda stupid for donating and yet still abandoning the operating system. Then again, I do appreciate Linux on an intellectual level so hopefully it helps.
I gave up on Windows 7 for the same reason, and moved full time to Mint. I just cannot find the same functional programs I can on Linux, or they are riddled with malware, or they can charge thousands to do basic things, and I have to sacrifice my privacy to do so, all I end up doing is installing those programs I know from Linux, only I have a massive headache in maintaining all the packages. I gave up in the end after the OS I was using was tied to the hardware it was on? I had to use a live distribution to rescue my data. Hell it didn't even do 80% of the things I wanted, In fact frighteningly it restricted me from doing things I wanted. *shudder*. As for Windows 8 well... No wonder windows lost in mobile where it doesn't have a monopoly.
If this is just about the user interface, why is this a distro and not a shell? A decent distro makes it easy to change the shell.
Yes its easy on Linux, unfortunately not so easy on Windows where you are forced to use an Screen full of advertisements.
Yep, so it is (according to ZDNet). And you know something? I never heard of it before. Maybe that says I'm not paying attention — or maybe it says that nobody cares about desktop Linux any more.
You want us to care? Tell us why.
Because Windows is failing to make an impact in the modern world, but Linux owns it :). Your trolling
You know, I can't make a whole lot of sense out of your writing. Which fits. You can't be bothered to express yourself clearly
Having reread my post. Its not bad. The reality is I use "Mint because I do not want or use Unity"...and your right, its confusing blobs, but its no less confusing than I'm "sticking with windows 7 because I don't want Metro".
The worrying think here is you have posted 8 times in this forum, actually proud at your basic lack of knowledge. You are I suspect being disingenuous.
Bottom line is that the arrogant Gnome developers gave everyone who uses Gnome no choice.
To be fair you can't blame Gnome on this one. I agree with what you have posted, but Mint replaced Unity with Cinnomon [and Mate] not Gnome shell. Its actually a subtle difference.
Maybe everybody but me keeps up with all the strange little Linux distros.
Short Answer : There is only Ubuntu
Longer Answer: If your not interested in Linux your shouldn't. That is the short answer, and even if you are interested in linux you shouldn't. The reality is. Distributions [Distro for short] are just that collections packages [Applications/Modules Building Blocks that make up a modern OS with sensible selection of programs] together in essence a kernel[BSD/Linux] Userland[GNU] + Display Server[X and Wayland] + Windows Manager[KDE/Gnome/XFCE] + Office Package[LibreOffice Calligra Suite] + Internet Browser....you get the idea.
Now because Linux can be tailored for different processors processors [ARM;Mips...] different community is [Religious Christianity and Location Brazilian] Specialist [Boot Disks; Extra Secure]...but if your using any of these then you know why! there is even a Ubuntu Satanic Edition http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/ Satanists.
But mainstream there really is only Debian, Ubuntu(Popular Debian variant), and Fedora(You have heard of Red Hat) [Yes I could easily add a couple more :)]. In context of this article Mint should be considered Ubuntu without Unity[Its own Metro nighmare]
Seriously install a distribution its not hard.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/06/15/apple-samsung-55-of-global-smartphone-sales-90-of-profits/
In case I haven't enphasised how stupid and out of date this post I include this quote from the original article "“At this point in the year, Nokia will have to grow its Windows Phone business 5000% in 2012 just to offset its declines in Symbian shipments,” says Michael Morgan, senior analyst, devices, applications & content.
Q3 Microsoft Phone 2%
But you are comparing 1 company (Apple) to the multiple companies who sell Android devices (Samsung, LG, Sony, Google themselves and now apparently HTC). Certainly, Apple's market share has shrunk as other companies enter the market wit competitive products. This does not however, spell the imminent demise of Apple.
I will ignore your out of date figures. we are now have quarter 3 figures published, and again you have failed to supply a breakdown of profits for smartphones, or even an explanation of how the current figure is worked out [seriously they do not exist]. Please do not twist my comments into what they are not. I have nowhere claimed there Apples "imminent demise", I personally believe they have failed to make the transition from new market to mature market, and its already started to hurt them.
I would love a breakdown of profit by company on a hardware and content combined basis, but you again fail to supply a list. A mythical figure combing Apple with Samsung is equally a nonsense especially when trying to prove Apples relevance.
The bottom line is Apple is losing Market share, and its desire to keep its massive profits is the problem.The very thing you are trying to defend.
Nadia,
Meaning: Hope (in Ukrainian, diminutive form in Bulgarian/Polish/Russian, etc.)
Moist and dewy[1] (in Arabic)
Dew in Persian
Courtesy of Wikipedia
Its from Kim Stanley Robinson’s Mars Trilogy, Nadezhda “Nadia” Chernyshevski is Maya’s best friend...Maya was the name of Mint 13 :)
You know that the windows desktop has become full of advertising widgets, and oversized buttons, replacing links to files and programs, and running applicants, and a menu button, as well as a big space to organise files and links to important places.
Well Mint gives you that back, either by supplying you a prior to change version(MATE) or a updated version that looks and feels like the version prior to the change(Cinnamon)
Think of updating to Windows 8 and keeping your Windows 7 Desktop.
Seriously Unity and Gnome 3 and Windows 8 are big news.
Would it hurt to include a few words explaining what the hell Mint even is or why we should care there's a new version?
Ubuntu is the "go to" version of GNU\Linux, based on the incredibly good Debian, but supports features without sacrificing too much stability, and because it has some money thrown at it. Has rightfully become the most popular distribution out there.
Unfortunately Gnome; Microsoft; Apple; Canonical have all made the decision that the future is ditching mice and keyboard, and running our fingers all over the screen.
Mint has become popular simply by supplying a desktop that those of us who still love mice and keyboards love [whatever you think of that]
In short its a great new OS release, get it downloaded and installed now...or at least read the article before posting on Slashdot.
Your figures need citations... looks like you're talking about the US only, where, indeed, Apple is in third place. Despite this, in 2012 alone, Apple has had more growth in mobile marketshare than any other single company, and their marketshare will continue to grow. But you go ahead and believe what you want in your twisted fantasy world, because outside of that, your worst nightmares are coming true.
I am using IDC's latest figures.
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812 for mobile
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 for tablets
To put Apples market decile of 23.1% to 14.9% in some sort of perspective Android grew its market share from 52.8% to 75%.
Clearly I had no trouble backing up my figures. Perhaps you should have used an Android device to check your facts. Then you wouldn't look so foolish.
1. HTC is on its last legs, more or less.
Not sure where this nonsense really came from, HTC were *very* successful last year on the back of Android, now other companies are producing more compelling products, and it sells less [there are other reasons], but HTC is still profitable, its just it has the same cost of sales...with lower sales. They are very far from their last legs. They are not Nokia.
As for Microsoft HTC was originally the goto manufacturer for Microsoft phones,and I don't think they ever stopped [even samsung make micosoft phones]. If they are successful they have the opportunity to steal that 2% windows market share!? from Nokia.
I agree that patents and/or patent protection is what this deal...and the new Microsoft phones are about [and that they are happening as HTC is weakened], but information is sparse. HTC still sell a lot of smartphones, and most of those are Android. Its going to be an Android manufacturer for a long time to come.
Uh... you're delusional. Apple is doing better than it has ever done... wait, scratch that... Apple is now more profitable than any company in history ever. kthxbai.
Its market share in mobile phones has dropped from 23.1% to 14.9% its tablet share has dropped to 50.4%. Its ipod shares have shrunk to nothing, Android outsell Apple 5:1.
"the days of any Apple dominance are over in pursuit of those profits" I pretty much stand by that quote. The reality is Apple is have been riding high on market dominance [real and perceived] cashing in on all the and adopter money with massive mark-ups...but these are now mature markets. Apple has nowhere to go and its massive share drop reflects that. Lets face it its an Android world now.
Sony is not making any inroads in the US market.
The US market is irrelevant. The world market is, and Sony are now the 4th largest manufacturer of smartphones in the world [up from 7th]. Sony phones are doing awfully well.
This is the 15th Android-related contract.
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/11/apple-htc-settlement-is-already-15th.html
Meanwhile, Federal Trade Commission staff have formally recommended that the government sue Google over anti-trust violations involving the licensing of FRAND patents.
LOL android is free. Patent abuse will of course continue, with Microsoft, and Apple abusing the system for there own gains. The bottom line is Microsoft phones have hit a high of...2%, and Apples are down from 23.1% to 14.9%. Clearly they should be innovating instead of litigating.
The reality is though Patent settlements are what the mobile industry have *always* been about. Hell its part of the reason why FRAND exists.
Have I missed something here? The One X+ which is out in the coming days ships with Android, doesn't it?
LG have benefited from dropping Microsoft and focussing on Android. HTC claimed [and I would agree with them] that one of the reasons for its drop in the market was sending a confusing message to customers with too many models. That said, If HTC is large enough to support multiple platforms. I think it *could* be a great idea, unfortunately I think creating a new market with an exciting product could have been great. I suspect sharing the 2% *Microsoft* share of the market a bad idea; choosing a failed product and trying to make it work where other companies have failed, although in context of this Article, choosing Microsoft may well have been necessary for the negotiations.
Apple and Samsung take home something like 95% of all mobile PROFITS
LOL there is no share of profits, There are only profits...and these companies are making profits on phones. This is a lie and you can't show me the figures. Apple does overcharge its customers, but lets face it posting bullshit from the days when we still talked about the "iphone killer" simply do not fly now, even the Samsung Galaxy on its own outsells the iphone, are we meant to pretend that Google makes nothing from its play store and advertising. Bury your head in the sand, Android has hit 75% and your still claiming it to be unporfitable. You live in fantasy land.
Ironically the days of any Apple dominance are over in pursuit of those profits. In fact in the Android market Apple is struggling to remain relevant.
That's because us iPhone owners don't care
I change my wallpaper once every 6 months or so. I cant even remember if I even set my iPhone 5's wallpaper
...but the market has noticed. The market is noticing that Apple are behind on both software and hardware, and better value phones are available elsewhere, which is why Android outsells Apple 5:1.
Maybe Apple should focus on providing a great experience so disappointing users, like those over maps will not happen again. Rather than pretending the opposition its working day and night to provide great products.
Samsung is android at this point. they are the only ones making money in the android phone sector. at least in the USA. everyone else is losing money
Simply not true, Sony is making awfully inroads. In fact its counteracting loses on its PC's. Ironically LG now they have got rid of Microsoft are profitable again. Asus is posted great success with its new nexus tablets. I also believe Google are doing quite nicely, and recently are going to focus on mobile first not second. Huawei and ZTE is doing great too. Lets be honest its a smartphone market...its an Android market
Just because your iPhone is failing, with its massive drop in market share from 23.1% to 14.9% does not mean the rest of the industry is doing badly :)
Well of course they care only about performance Its all their user base really cares about.
To be fair...nobody is interested in security until things go wrong, they will and they do. Then its look for a scapegoat, and the solution is to remove rights and privacy of the individual for the illusion protection, throw in a few laws, that only affect the law abiding and decent. Then we live in fear.
Data :)
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412
Those are the tables and graphs, I think they speak for themselves. I do not need to cherry pick. In fact I agree with your figures that Apple is making more sales..it is, but they are growing slower than the overall market. Those are the facts. I understand your spin "more sales"; mine is "shrinking marketshare".
The question I keep asking is Apple relevant at 14.9% will it still be relevant at 10%...what about 5%. I wonder what will happen then.