I can't imagine anyone bragging about having a Microsoft branded phone.
They're just not cool.
It is nothing to do with being cool...although cool goes a long way. Microsoft always sold more on the desktop, even today Microsoft machines outnumber Apple machines 20:1. Its simply not a good OS, Android is only just 5 years old and has 75% of the market...Microsoft has 2%. The carriers don't like it...The customers don't want it.
Was/is to make good products. So microsoft is going to do a 180 now?
No its really not. Apples [during Jobs] greatest success comes from getting users to spent money on high margin electronics; by being seen as first to market; with a compelling product, and marketing the hell out of it. Following apple into a mature market with a me too product is well the what Apple [post jobs] did with the iPad mini, only Microsoft doesn't have the same set of devoted followers, and those it neglected in the pursuit of being an electronics company.
While it may be a net loss for Nokia (they have no one but themselves to blame), it will be good for consumers. Consumers need a third ecosystem, especially since WebOS is dead and BB10 looks uncertain. From what I have read, it seems like Microsoft might try out Chinese market first before launching in USA
That is the bingo word of the month "Ecosystem"; Windows do not have an ecosystem, and customers do not need one. They need compatibility and standards so their devices work with each other, but not an ecosystem. Ecosystem is just a bullshit word introduced by Microsoft shills because of the massive failure of Microsoft mobile, and are trying to utilise their desktop monopoly where it is of no value.
Oh and FYI Windows Phone still is fifth https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812 behind Symbian and RIM. With no indication that the market wants of desires a player outside iOS and Android. The sad fact is Microsoft is a failure in Chinese market, as well as everywhere else. The figures are in Nokia's quarterly reports, but an overall market share of 2% says it all.
Microsoft have already walked away from Nokia, and threw them under the bus with Windows 8, they are making no pretence that Nokia are old news, and if anything are flirtying with HTC. The fact that they will abandon both [I don't think Samsung will lose any sleep] is sadly predictable. LG is profitable again after dumping windows and moving to Android exclusively, maybe they learnt something:).
What is terrifying is Nokia ignoring the original stupidity of choosing windows...exclusively seem to have no back up plan, and are acting like they have no option. They have cut too many people, and moved manufacturing to china, and seem to be moving into the Patent trolling with Microsoft...but nothing else.
Looks like Android is going to grab even more market share before this sorry tale is over.
What did you expect? Of course to be fair, if you install a *full* version of the average desktop linux ( or bsd ) distribution you get tons of stuff by default too. Most of it you dont want.
But still, for a tablet product they should have gone out of their way not to just toss crap onto it. Space is not cheap, like it is on a desktop.
Idiots.
Calling other people idiots doesn't make them so. As for your comparison with a Linux Desktop with a healthy selection of Apps I am running at 7GB after many months. I suspect a fresh install would require much less. Ubuntu for example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements suggests 5GB.
I think we can all finally admit that GNOME 3 has become the most significant OSS project disaster to have ever occurred.
Here is the thing Gnome 3 Apps are still great, and I'm currently I'm using cinnamon with which I'm sure you are aware is just Gnome 3 with a more sensible Desktop. They are looking to be making good and bad choices with nautilus too, renaming it files wasn't one of them.
All the desktop UI need to start focusing on what users need, not flashy features that aren't really useful.
I'm not one to disagree, but when did a a desktop have to be boring. My onboard graphics card has been delivering wobbly windows and spinning cubes since intel i815, and anything less simply.
MS is far from irrelevent and dying... they still dominate the business world and Apple's own cloud utilizes Microsoft's Azure... Obviously you have no experience in corporate IT and are simply using consumer devices to from wihch to draw your incorrect conclusion.
Here is the thing, Apple & Google dominate the Mobile and Internet [as well as a whole host of other giants like Facebook and Amazon]. Microsoft is a bit Player in markets where it should have been a leader. Its not and its efforts to Bully its way into these markets have failed. Look at the topic "Microsoft reportedly working on its own smartphone"...Its not 2007 its nearly 2013 that is 5 years too late.
My guess is people will stop buying office first. Microsoft has already started giving it away to the consumer market for free..but your right there is still more money to be squeezed out of its Desktop and Office monopoly, but its dominance has gone.
There is only room for one or two vendors to fully PROFIT (that's the word you don't seem to get) from Android. The rest? A race for very thin margins. Witness HTC.
...but that is clearly not true ZTE; Hweui is making massive market share gains. Asus is doing well with Android tablets, LG is profiting again from dumping Windows Phone, Sony after dumping Ericsson with its Android phone is profitable...Even HTC is profitable its just been less competitive than other Android phone manufactures. I believe Google are doing quite well too.You are aware than HTC [and ironically Samsung] make windows phones too:)
Seriously stop spreading this lie, Even Apple manage to make a profit with their shrinking market share.
I really doubt that Elop lives in denial. What would you expect him to say
I would expect him to say nothing, he didn't. He should be having a team working secretly somewhere to be ready to respond to a Microsoft announcement of a launch Phone with "People loved out Lumia range range, but wanted Android on it. This is out new range of Fuck-You-Ballmer Phones"
I don't really understand Elop thing why is nobody sacking him; having him arrested? Why is nobody at Nokia going "this is not a burning platform we are hurting for real"? I don't really care if he is inept; stubborn; bribed; blackmailed? I don't know why the government is not getting involved. Whatever the reason there is something seriously wrong? And it goes way beyond incompetent management.
What I suspect for Elop[not nokia] signed a stupid exclusively deal Microsoft, and the cost of breaking that deal is more damaging that burning the company.
Microsoft's notion of innovation now seems to be "Do what Apple does."
Its a shame that they are not following Apple in direction not strategy. Be early [look to be first] with great devices, at reasonable prices...essentially create the market. They are just copying the crap only Apple could get away with...because the created the market. They should be aiming for for where Apple [should] want to be. I would have have done a xbox360 *without* gaming functionality, and sold it for manufactures to put in their TV's...the self same ones they are f***king over now. Lets watch them put Android in their TV's to make them *Smart*
What's funny to me is that Elop went all-in on the Windows Phone strategy because he didn't want Nokia to be just another Android device maker. Now they're just another Windows Phone maker.
The reasoning made no sense then. The weirder one was they didn't hedge there bets with something else, Android and Meego being the obvious choices.
Android is a race to the bottom...Too bad most devices are crap
There is no part of that that is true. Current Windows Phones won't run WP8 [seriously single processor], Iphones had a disappointing launch is reflected marketshare is down from 23.1% to 14.9% in a couple of quarters. RIM is yet to come out with a compelling product...and Elop killed Symbian
Android had waterproof phones; projectors; massive phones; value phones; keyboard phones; cutting edge phones...and a marketshare of 75%...they are buying them because they are great innovative hardware and more importantly software. They are building market share not a desperate dying monopolist trying to gain market share through its usual bully tactics[Microsoft] or maintain it through Litigation.
Linux Desktop will never catch on in mainstream and it's isn't Microsoft's fault, it's the short-coming of bunch of stubborn losers in denial.
Not sure of the relevance of that comment, but saying Windows phone will never catch on with the mainstream...and its definitely Microsofts fault, it's the short-coming of bunch of stubborn losers in denial.
I believe Linux runs on 75% of Smartphones:) where Windows Phone runs on 2%
The reasons Microsoft built Surface were: 1. MS felt the OEM Win8 tablets not upto the mark with iPad. 2. There is no dedicated OEM working on Win8 tablet. 3. MS thinks there isn't OEM with market perception comparable to Apple in tablet space.
...So Microsofts failure in the tablet space was not anything to do with the inappropriate software, that limited the hardware, in both its input method, CPU, battery life etc etc.
Microsoft are in the Mobile space to soak up all that early adopter money.
Nokia has already bled dry, Microsoft have already flirting up to HTC, while Elop lives in denial.
LG is profitable again after dumping windows and focusing on Android. Asus have also having good fortune from Android Tablets. Sony after dumping Ericsson is profitable again with Android.
Nokia gets burnt once with Windows Phone 8 incompatibilities Nokia gets thrown under a bus with the Surface tablet Nokia gets B*******d new Microsoft Phone
Now I'm not saying Nokia should have gone Android...just that Android has a 75% share , and Nokia has well a share of what 2%
In case you are wondering what Elop thought of this news.
"in a conference call two weeks ago, Nokia CEO Stephen Elop said that he would welcome such a rival. Elop said that a Microsoft smartphone would act as a “stimulant” to all companies making Windows Phone 8 devices, but added that he wasn’t aware of any plans to do so." http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/microsoft-smartphone-windows-phone-8-98096
Whatever you think of Steve Ballmer how he for the record got for a bargain the most expensive advertising campaign in history for next to nothing, and a patent cartel with Nokia, and it seems things are unlikely to change in the future.
It's popular for posters to badmouth apple products today
People are not badmouthing apple products. They are in fact doing something new, they have started comparing products with Apple, and its Apples fault, and in that comparison Apple come out badly.
It's unfortunate that apps' knowledge of you is granted with a nebulous single-screen laundry list and OK button, similar to the click-through EULAs of what seems to be a bygone era.
Yesterday's legal violation is today's privacy violation.
Its nothing like an EULA which is many pages of legal mumbo-jumbo and is resigned to restrict your rights they are even stop class-action lawsuits. That is very different from a small list that identifies the access right of the program. I agree this method is less than perfect , but it is nothing like the draconian EULA.
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I can't imagine anyone bragging about having a Microsoft branded phone.
They're just not cool.
It is nothing to do with being cool...although cool goes a long way. Microsoft always sold more on the desktop, even today Microsoft machines outnumber Apple machines 20:1. Its simply not a good OS, Android is only just 5 years old and has 75% of the market...Microsoft has 2%. The carriers don't like it...The customers don't want it.
I understand the Surface, as many manufacturers had that dream of making The Next iPad Killer(tm)
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just find the term "iPad killer"(sic) outdated https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23772412 Apples tablet market share dropped to a new low of 50.4%.
Was/is to make good products. So microsoft is going to do a 180 now?
No its really not. Apples [during Jobs] greatest success comes from getting users to spent money on high margin electronics; by being seen as first to market; with a compelling product, and marketing the hell out of it. Following apple into a mature market with a me too product is well the what Apple [post jobs] did with the iPad mini, only Microsoft doesn't have the same set of devoted followers, and those it neglected in the pursuit of being an electronics company.
While it may be a net loss for Nokia (they have no one but themselves to blame), it will be good for consumers. Consumers need a third ecosystem, especially since WebOS is dead and BB10 looks uncertain. From what I have read, it seems like Microsoft might try out Chinese market first before launching in USA
That is the bingo word of the month "Ecosystem"; Windows do not have an ecosystem, and customers do not need one. They need compatibility and standards so their devices work with each other, but not an ecosystem. Ecosystem is just a bullshit word introduced by Microsoft shills because of the massive failure of Microsoft mobile, and are trying to utilise their desktop monopoly where it is of no value.
Oh and FYI Windows Phone still is fifth https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS23771812 behind Symbian and RIM. With no indication that the market wants of desires a player outside iOS and Android. The sad fact is Microsoft is a failure in Chinese market, as well as everywhere else. The figures are in Nokia's quarterly reports, but an overall market share of 2% says it all.
Microsoft have already walked away from Nokia, and threw them under the bus with Windows 8, they are making no pretence that Nokia are old news, and if anything are flirtying with HTC. The fact that they will abandon both [I don't think Samsung will lose any sleep] is sadly predictable. LG is profitable again after dumping windows and moving to Android exclusively, maybe they learnt something :).
What is terrifying is Nokia ignoring the original stupidity of choosing windows...exclusively seem to have no back up plan, and are acting like they have no option. They have cut too many people, and moved manufacturing to china, and seem to be moving into the Patent trolling with Microsoft...but nothing else.
Looks like Android is going to grab even more market share before this sorry tale is over.
By pure coincidence, 13 Gb with no expansion slot is all you get on a Nexus 7 16 Gb.
...and you can buy three for the price of a surface giving you about 39gb of space :)
13GB is not bad. I made the mistake of getting a 40gb SSD for my Windows 7 partition. I recently upgraded it to a 120GB one, much better.
Except its a *Tablet* running a tablet OS, and you can't upgrade the hard drive. Equivelant OS's have a smaller footprint.
What did you expect? Of course to be fair, if you install a *full* version of the average desktop linux ( or bsd ) distribution you get tons of stuff by default too. Most of it you dont want.
But still, for a tablet product they should have gone out of their way not to just toss crap onto it. Space is not cheap, like it is on a desktop.
Idiots.
Calling other people idiots doesn't make them so. As for your comparison with a Linux Desktop with a healthy selection of Apps I am running at 7GB after many months. I suspect a fresh install would require much less. Ubuntu for example https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements suggests 5GB.
I think we can all finally admit that GNOME 3 has become the most significant OSS project disaster to have ever occurred.
Here is the thing Gnome 3 Apps are still great, and I'm currently I'm using cinnamon with which I'm sure you are aware is just Gnome 3 with a more sensible Desktop. They are looking to be making good and bad choices with nautilus too, renaming it files wasn't one of them.
Its Gnome Shell and nothing else.
All the desktop UI need to start focusing on what users need, not flashy features that aren't really useful.
I'm not one to disagree, but when did a a desktop have to be boring. My onboard graphics card has been delivering wobbly windows and spinning cubes since intel i815, and anything less simply.
Because no Android phone maker will actually admit how many phones are sold to the consume
But Google regularly publish *activated* figures. Tahts 1.3million a day :)
MS is far from irrelevent and dying... they still dominate the business world and Apple's own cloud utilizes Microsoft's Azure... Obviously you have no experience in corporate IT and are simply using consumer devices to from wihch to draw your incorrect conclusion.
Here is the thing, Apple & Google dominate the Mobile and Internet [as well as a whole host of other giants like Facebook and Amazon]. Microsoft is a bit Player in markets where it should have been a leader. Its not and its efforts to Bully its way into these markets have failed. Look at the topic "Microsoft reportedly working on its own smartphone"...Its not 2007 its nearly 2013 that is 5 years too late.
My guess is people will stop buying office first. Microsoft has already started giving it away to the consumer market for free..but your right there is still more money to be squeezed out of its Desktop and Office monopoly, but its dominance has gone.
There is only room for one or two vendors to fully PROFIT (that's the word you don't seem to get) from Android. The rest? A race for very thin margins. Witness HTC.
...but that is clearly not true ZTE; Hweui is making massive market share gains. Asus is doing well with Android tablets, LG is profiting again from dumping Windows Phone, Sony after dumping Ericsson with its Android phone is profitable...Even HTC is profitable its just been less competitive than other Android phone manufactures. I believe Google are doing quite well too.You are aware than HTC [and ironically Samsung] make windows phones too :)
Seriously stop spreading this lie, Even Apple manage to make a profit with their shrinking market share.
I really doubt that Elop lives in denial. What would you expect him to say
I would expect him to say nothing, he didn't. He should be having a team working secretly somewhere to be ready to respond to a Microsoft announcement of a launch Phone with "People loved out Lumia range range, but wanted Android on it. This is out new range of Fuck-You-Ballmer Phones"
I don't really understand Elop thing why is nobody sacking him; having him arrested? Why is nobody at Nokia going "this is not a burning platform we are hurting for real"? I don't really care if he is inept; stubborn; bribed; blackmailed? I don't know why the government is not getting involved. Whatever the reason there is something seriously wrong? And it goes way beyond incompetent management.
What I suspect for Elop[not nokia] signed a stupid exclusively deal Microsoft, and the cost of breaking that deal is more damaging that burning the company.
Microsoft's notion of innovation now seems to be "Do what Apple does."
Its a shame that they are not following Apple in direction not strategy. Be early [look to be first] with great devices, at reasonable prices...essentially create the market. They are just copying the crap only Apple could get away with...because the created the market. They should be aiming for for where Apple [should] want to be. I would have have done a xbox360 *without* gaming functionality, and sold it for manufactures to put in their TV's...the self same ones they are f***king over now. Lets watch them put Android in their TV's to make them *Smart*
What's funny to me is that Elop went all-in on the Windows Phone strategy because he didn't want Nokia to be just another Android device maker. Now they're just another Windows Phone maker.
The reasoning made no sense then. The weirder one was they didn't hedge there bets with something else, Android and Meego being the obvious choices.
Android is a race to the bottom...Too bad most devices are crap
There is no part of that that is true. Current Windows Phones won't run WP8 [seriously single processor], Iphones had a disappointing launch is reflected marketshare is down from 23.1% to 14.9% in a couple of quarters. RIM is yet to come out with a compelling product...and Elop killed Symbian
Android had waterproof phones; projectors; massive phones; value phones; keyboard phones; cutting edge phones...and a marketshare of 75%...they are buying them because they are great innovative hardware and more importantly software. They are building market share not a desperate dying monopolist trying to gain market share through its usual bully tactics[Microsoft] or maintain it through Litigation.
Linux Desktop will never catch on in mainstream and it's isn't Microsoft's fault, it's the short-coming of bunch of stubborn losers in denial.
Not sure of the relevance of that comment, but saying Windows phone will never catch on with the mainstream...and its definitely Microsofts fault, it's the short-coming of bunch of stubborn losers in denial.
I believe Linux runs on 75% of Smartphones :) where Windows Phone runs on 2%
The reasons Microsoft built Surface were:
1. MS felt the OEM Win8 tablets not upto the mark with iPad.
2. There is no dedicated OEM working on Win8 tablet.
3. MS thinks there isn't OEM with market perception comparable to Apple in tablet space.
...So Microsofts failure in the tablet space was not anything to do with the inappropriate software, that limited the hardware, in both its input method, CPU, battery life etc etc.
Microsoft are in the Mobile space to soak up all that early adopter money.
Nokia has already bled dry, Microsoft have already flirting up to HTC, while Elop lives in denial.
LG is profitable again after dumping windows and focusing on Android.
Asus have also having good fortune from Android Tablets.
Sony after dumping Ericsson is profitable again with Android.
Nokia gets burnt once with Windows Phone 8 incompatibilities
Nokia gets thrown under a bus with the Surface tablet
Nokia gets B*******d new Microsoft Phone
Now I'm not saying Nokia should have gone Android...just that Android has a 75% share , and Nokia has well a share of what 2%
In case you are wondering what Elop thought of this news.
"in a conference call two weeks ago, Nokia CEO Stephen Elop said that he would welcome such a rival. Elop said that a Microsoft smartphone would act as a “stimulant” to all companies making Windows Phone 8 devices, but added that he wasn’t aware of any plans to do so." http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/microsoft-smartphone-windows-phone-8-98096
Whatever you think of Steve Ballmer how he for the record got for a bargain the most expensive advertising campaign in history for next to nothing, and a patent cartel with Nokia, and it seems things are unlikely to change in the future.
I'm astonished the Finnish Government has done nothing all I can find is this quote http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/20/us-finnish-government-wont-buy-nokia-sha-idUSBRE85J15V20120620?irpc=932 "This is not our business. We are developing Finland into a country where companies can do well, but this is not the way of support along which the government will go,"
is all I'm sayin'
No the iPod touch has a retina display
Just Sayin'
It's popular for posters to badmouth apple products today
People are not badmouthing apple products. They are in fact doing something new, they have started comparing products with Apple, and its Apples fault, and in that comparison Apple come out badly.
It's unfortunate that apps' knowledge of you is granted with a nebulous single-screen laundry list and OK button, similar to the click-through EULAs of what seems to be a bygone era.
Yesterday's legal violation is today's privacy violation.
Its nothing like an EULA which is many pages of legal mumbo-jumbo and is resigned to restrict your rights they are even stop class-action lawsuits. That is very different from a small list that identifies the access right of the program. I agree this method is less than perfect , but it is nothing like the draconian EULA.
So what you want is an iPhone right?
Apps the send details about you include Facebook, Twitter, Foursquare, Instagram and LinkedIn heard of any of these!