Hmm --- On the other hand -- go ahead, unionize! I'd love to see geeks of the word united on picket lines, essentially holding a nation hostage for more pizza and Dew before they go back to coding that interrupt handler that'll let the nuclear reactor shut down safely. (I say that with affection, I'm a geek too)
Buying into their propaganda won't get you a better deal on the SUV that you feel you need have to be safe on the road.
Sources for this claim? The people I"ve known who are actually in the business seem to think that we're not talking getting paid fair market value for labor performed, we're talking extortion. (And for the record, I loathe SUVs - I'm safer in any car a drive than the average SUV driver is in their vehicle of choice, because my safety relies on my skills as a driver, not my tank of a vehicle. </mini-rant>;)
Jobs are offshored because they can be done cheaper elsewhere. Until the standard of living in the US is lower than everywhere else there will always be cheaper labor elsewhere.
Very true. But it's only when it is significantly cheaper in terms of total cost that it will get outsourced*. In other words, when you take into consideration additional cost for transportation of goods and materials, import/export tariffs, buildings, administrative staff, etc, etc -- and it's STILL cheaper than the good ol' U S of A -- then there's a problem, and not one that can be resolved by the same unions who are at least in part responsible for the high cost of US labor today.
Personally I'm not that exicited about bringing third world wages to my fellow Americans even I'm pulling down the big bucks myself.
Third-world wages, or no wages... there's only so far standing on some obscure principal will take you. Globalization isn't a buzzword, it IS happening. Forming unions that will paralyze a city's transit system in order to raise the NYC bus driver's "paltry" 55k/year salary by a few grand isn't going to stop it; similarly, IT workers unionizing (um, why are we doing that again? Are we mistreated in some way? You never answered that point) and raising the price of getting anything done will hasten process and make outsourcing* that much more tempting.
* Offshoring is a form of outsourcing, in spite of your contention that they're different things
I read through the rest of your comment, but it really was nothing but speculation... so I'm not ignoring it, but am just trying to stick to the facts at hand.
Eh? I'm sorry, I thought someone wrote something significant, but then I realized that it was just another AC posting.
Here's some information about statistics: 30% of 10,000 is 3000. That means if the sample was 10,000 people, a whopping 3,000 of them failed to get it right. If the sample was 5 women, that means roughly 3 of them got it right. And two didn't.
My point? Well, if you're not seeing it, perhaps you should do yourself a favor and take some research methodology courses at your local CC, then go spouting off on internet forums.
Unions are a major part of what's driving the major auto manufacturers into bankruptcy
Menial jobs are outsourced because, thanks to unions, the costs of doing them in the United States is just to damned high
Unions in their original form were great. They stopped literal abuse of the workers; unsafe working conditions, below-poverty wages, and more were eliminated because of unions. Most of the full-time IT population has health care, and is well paid in relation to the work they do.
So where are the abuses that need correcting in IT? At-will employment? Getting paid for the work you do, instead of some artificial number based on seniority? Oh, the humanity...
Sixty-nine percent of the women were able to correctly judge a man's interest in having children merely by looking at cues on photograph's of his facial features.
Wow, that's like... 7 in 10 instead of 5 in 10 you might expect to get from chance alone. Remarkable
3$ is an impulse item charge, people would be grabbing handfuls of them, not even bothering with most file trading or looking up "CD Leroy" at the flea market.
Of course, that would have the unfortunate side effect of putting every rental company in the country out of business.
That was my first though too, but when you think about it, it's not necessary. The laws currently support any suit they want to bring, as long as they can prove someone illegally downloaded. Why go through the time and expense of this charade, when they can already make their case?
Did I mention a headstart of a minimum of 10 years of R&D tossed at this problem? I hate to be a pessimistic troll-like poster, but without even a working proof of concept, I can only call this vaporware until they show me a working product.
Maybe vaporware -- but sometimes it's amazing what a new perspective can bring to a problem.
Yes, early testing (compared to no testing) will delay a project. Those small issues will still exist, but they will be discovered in a production environment -- in other words,/after/ the deadlines have been met, which is all most management cares about.
So if vendors are supposed to distribute their binary through distro maintainers, then what happens in the time between when a vendor starts selling a new device and when distro maintainers release a stable version that contains the device's driver? Imagine if developers of devices for Windows had to wait for the next Microsoft Windows XP service pack before they could start advertising their goods.
Your initial complaint was that hardware drivers can't keep up with the distributions. Now that this has been answered, you're changing the focus of the problem to a different issue. However, I'll answer with an example -- the one I'm most familiar with. NVidia regularly releases new binary drivers. Within 1-2 weeks, they are available in the distributions. I can't see that it would be any different for other vendors, as long as there is actual demand for their product.
Looked at from that perspective, it's a distinct advantage -- vendors don't even have to package drivers with their product. Of course, they can still do so if they choose, but if they don't -- and assuming people actually want their product -- they're fairly safe in the assumption that the distributions will pick it up.
No, the problem is that many vendors refuse to make drivers avilable for linux. It's not a moving target, and it's not any more complex than for Windows (some would say it's easier). The simple fact is vendors don't perceive a need for it, so they won't "waste" time and money on it -- to them, there's no ROI. I suspect that theoretical problems with distributions never enter into it.
To answer the rest of your statement -- um, 64 bit windows, anybody? You can get 64bit winXP now, but you drivers for it are few and far in between. You can't say it's because of all the distribution issues. It is, in fact, the same thing that prevents them from releasing to Linux -- no ROI. There are at present only a handful of people using 64 bit Windows. Not enough to justify the time and expense of flipping a compiler switch and testing.
"Do you claim that while packaging of applications differs, packaging of drivers is identical among GNU/Linux distros for PCs? If this is the case, how does one create a hardware driver package that 1. runs on all common GNU/Linux distros for PCs and 2. satisfies the hardware manufacturer's licensors who demand that the driver be proprietary software shipped as a binary? Google linux hardware driver packaging found me this KDE hardware mailing list post [kde.org] which details the difference between the Windows philosophy and the Linux philosophy and how the latter doesn't mesh well with the expectations of a residential end user."
Does this mean that you aren't actually familiar with the issue you're speaking about? All that I claim is that hardware manufacturers -- particularly those with binary-only drivers -- don't have to worry about packaging for distros. They only provide the binaries, and the individual distributions will take care of the packaging.
Those who provide open source drivers have even less to do, since their code is already part of the kernel source tree. It's then up to the distributions to build and make the driver available. sourec is part
Successful or not, and irrespective of the misleading title, it's actually a pretty interesting read. It gives a glimpse of what goes into such a huge product.
2. JVM is fat fat fat, it uses way more RAM than is reasonable.
That's an issue that I've had as well, until I actually thought about it. Look at the name -- "Java Virtual Machine"; each JVM is an environment complete unto itself. Generally, well-written applications that the JVM runs do not have to go outside of that JVM for any reason. One JVM can run multiple applications, without significant increase in memory usage.
The problem is that people see 20-30MB usage for a simple app, and they don't understand what it is that they're actually running .
If what you claim is true, then this is part of why Linux based operating systems won' get much support from hardware manufacturers. If one has to support each GNU/Linux distribution separately, this is much more work than supporting Windows XP and Mac OS X.
You're confusing hardware and software./Generally speaking/, a driver is going to work in any distro (ref: nvidia) because the kernel module loading is not dependent on any one distribution.
User-level software packaging is what will vary between distros, and not hardware drivers.
Might I suggest Ubuntu (Breezy)? I've known several relative newcomers who tried and felt that it addressed most -- if not all -- of the same issues that you originally posted about.
You can use this as a livecd, which lets you run it directly by booting from the CD; this will allow you to try it out without overwriting your Windows installation. Once you decide you like it -- and I'm sure you will -- there's a desktop shortcut that will start the actual install process.
I was surprised too! I refused to answer any of the questions -- because I'm not so dumb as to install ANYTHING based on web site apperance alone -- and got told this:
YOU GOT 0 OF 8 QUESTIONS CORRECT
I'ma gonna go back and download some smileypacks off of my internet explorer.
It is wrong. This so-called 'quiz' shows screen shots of web sites, and asks you which one it's safe to download from. If you guess wrong, it counts against you.
It's a biased quiz designed to create nice alarming statistics that will help them do what? Yes, you guessed it, sell their "safe" browsing software!
I'm not saying spyware isn't a problem, but let's face it -- how many of us here will use closed source file-sharing software, download smiley packs, screensavers, and installable games from random web sites, install activex controls, or any of the other various other stupid things that'll infect a computer? Yet in this 'quiz', the only options we have are to pick between screen prints.
In short, the portion of this 'story' which claims tech-savvy users will also make the wrong choices is crap...
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Right now I'm watching a one month old 34 week gestation boy with a transposition of the great arteries slowly die because of these objections along with a bunch of treatment knots
Cold, heartless perspective -- evolution says that boy needs to die.
Of course, this sentiment doesn't do any good for those forced to watch, or the child forced to suffer.
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Well damn. Didn't want this posted twice...
After all, it's hardly a new idea.
After all, it's hardly a new idea.
Hmm --- On the other hand -- go ahead, unionize! I'd love to see geeks of the word united on picket lines, essentially holding a nation hostage for more pizza and Dew before they go back to coding that interrupt handler that'll let the nuclear reactor shut down safely. (I say that with affection, I'm a geek too)
Buying into their propaganda won't get you a better deal on the SUV that you feel you need have to be safe on the road.
Sources for this claim? The people I"ve known who are actually in the business seem to think that we're not talking getting paid fair market value for labor performed, we're talking extortion. (And for the record, I loathe SUVs - I'm safer in any car a drive than the average SUV driver is in their vehicle of choice, because my safety relies on my skills as a driver, not my tank of a vehicle. </mini-rant>Jobs are offshored because they can be done cheaper elsewhere. Until the standard of living in the US is lower than everywhere else there will always be cheaper labor elsewhere.
Very true. But it's only when it is significantly cheaper in terms of total cost that it will get outsourced*. In other words, when you take into consideration additional cost for transportation of goods and materials, import/export tariffs, buildings, administrative staff, etc, etc -- and it's STILL cheaper than the good ol' U S of A -- then there's a problem, and not one that can be resolved by the same unions who are at least in part responsible for the high cost of US labor today.
Personally I'm not that exicited about bringing third world wages to my fellow Americans even I'm pulling down the big bucks myself.
Third-world wages, or no wages... there's only so far standing on some obscure principal will take you. Globalization isn't a buzzword, it IS happening. Forming unions that will paralyze a city's transit system in order to raise the NYC bus driver's "paltry" 55k/year salary by a few grand isn't going to stop it; similarly, IT workers unionizing (um, why are we doing that again? Are we mistreated in some way? You never answered that point) and raising the price of getting anything done will hasten process and make outsourcing* that much more tempting.
* Offshoring is a form of outsourcing, in spite of your contention that they're different things
I read through the rest of your comment, but it really was nothing but speculation... so I'm not ignoring it, but am just trying to stick to the facts at hand.
Yikes. Before any grammar nazis step in, I just saw about 6 correctable mistakes in my post. /me makes a note to Preview before posting.
Eh? I'm sorry, I thought someone wrote something significant, but then I realized that it was just another AC posting.
Here's some information about statistics: 30% of 10,000 is 3000. That means if the sample was 10,000 people, a whopping 3,000 of them failed to get it right. If the sample was 5 women, that means roughly 3 of them got it right. And two didn't.
My point? Well, if you're not seeing it, perhaps you should do yourself a favor and take some research methodology courses at your local CC, then go spouting off on internet forums.
Unions in their original form were great. They stopped literal abuse of the workers; unsafe working conditions, below-poverty wages, and more were eliminated because of unions. Most of the full-time IT population has health care, and is well paid in relation to the work they do.
So where are the abuses that need correcting in IT? At-will employment? Getting paid for the work you do, instead of some artificial number based on seniority? Oh, the humanity...
Sixty-nine percent of the women were able to correctly judge a man's interest in having children merely by looking at cues on photograph's of his facial features.
Wow, that's like... 7 in 10 instead of 5 in 10 you might expect to get from chance alone. Remarkable
3$ is an impulse item charge, people would be grabbing handfuls of them, not even bothering with most file trading or looking up "CD Leroy" at the flea market.
Of course, that would have the unfortunate side effect of putting every rental company in the country out of business.
That was my first though too, but when you think about it, it's not necessary. The laws currently support any suit they want to bring, as long as they can prove someone illegally downloaded. Why go through the time and expense of this charade, when they can already make their case?
Did I mention a headstart of a minimum of 10 years of R&D tossed at this problem? I hate to be a pessimistic troll-like poster, but without even a working proof of concept, I can only call this vaporware until they show me a working product.
Maybe vaporware -- but sometimes it's amazing what a new perspective can bring to a problem.
Yes, early testing (compared to no testing) will delay a project. Those small issues will still exist, but they will be discovered in a production environment -- in other words, /after/ the deadlines have been met, which is all most management cares about.
Dude. Sarcasm.
I've got a better idea! Why don't we all go and "sign" electronic petitions, so that we can stop this thing before it even gets started!
So if vendors are supposed to distribute their binary through distro maintainers, then what happens in the time between when a vendor starts selling a new device and when distro maintainers release a stable version that contains the device's driver? Imagine if developers of devices for Windows had to wait for the next Microsoft Windows XP service pack before they could start advertising their goods.
Your initial complaint was that hardware drivers can't keep up with the distributions. Now that this has been answered, you're changing the focus of the problem to a different issue. However, I'll answer with an example -- the one I'm most familiar with. NVidia regularly releases new binary drivers. Within 1-2 weeks, they are available in the distributions. I can't see that it would be any different for other vendors, as long as there is actual demand for their product.
Looked at from that perspective, it's a distinct advantage -- vendors don't even have to package drivers with their product. Of course, they can still do so if they choose, but if they don't -- and assuming people actually want their product -- they're fairly safe in the assumption that the distributions will pick it up.
No, the problem is that many vendors refuse to make drivers avilable for linux. It's not a moving target, and it's not any more complex than for Windows (some would say it's easier). The simple fact is vendors don't perceive a need for it, so they won't "waste" time and money on it -- to them, there's no ROI. I suspect that theoretical problems with distributions never enter into it.
To answer the rest of your statement -- um, 64 bit windows, anybody? You can get 64bit winXP now, but you drivers for it are few and far in between. You can't say it's because of all the distribution issues. It is, in fact, the same thing that prevents them from releasing to Linux -- no ROI. There are at present only a handful of people using 64 bit Windows. Not enough to justify the time and expense of flipping a compiler switch and testing.
Ah, yes. The non-word.
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Does this mean that you aren't actually familiar with the issue you're speaking about? All that I claim is that hardware manufacturers -- particularly those with binary-only drivers -- don't have to worry about packaging for distros. They only provide the binaries, and the individual distributions will take care of the packaging.
Those who provide open source drivers have even less to do, since their code is already part of the kernel source tree. It's then up to the distributions to build and make the driver available. sourec is part
Successful or not, and irrespective of the misleading title, it's actually a pretty interesting read. It gives a glimpse of what goes into such a huge product.
2. JVM is fat fat fat, it uses way more RAM than is reasonable.
That's an issue that I've had as well, until I actually thought about it. Look at the name -- "Java Virtual Machine"; each JVM is an environment complete unto itself. Generally, well-written applications that the JVM runs do not have to go outside of that JVM for any reason. One JVM can run multiple applications, without significant increase in memory usage.
The problem is that people see 20-30MB usage for a simple app, and they don't understand what it is that they're actually running .
If what you claim is true, then this is part of why Linux based operating systems won' get much support from hardware manufacturers. If one has to support each GNU/Linux distribution separately, this is much more work than supporting Windows XP and Mac OS X. /Generally speaking/, a driver is going to work in any distro (ref: nvidia) because the kernel module loading is not dependent on any one distribution.
You're confusing hardware and software.
User-level software packaging is what will vary between distros, and not hardware drivers.
Might I suggest Ubuntu (Breezy)? I've known several relative newcomers who tried and felt that it addressed most -- if not all -- of the same issues that you originally posted about.
Here's the location of the downloads page: http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/
You can use this as a livecd, which lets you run it directly by booting from the CD; this will allow you to try it out without overwriting your Windows installation. Once you decide you like it -- and I'm sure you will -- there's a desktop shortcut that will start the actual install process.
I was surprised too! I refused to answer any of the questions -- because I'm not so dumb as to install ANYTHING based on web site apperance alone -- and got told this:
YOU GOT 0 OF 8 QUESTIONS CORRECT
I'ma gonna go back and download some smileypacks off of my internet explorer.
That has to be wrong, somehow.
It is wrong. This so-called 'quiz' shows screen shots of web sites, and asks you which one it's safe to download from. If you guess wrong, it counts against you.
It's a biased quiz designed to create nice alarming statistics that will help them do what? Yes, you guessed it, sell their "safe" browsing software! I'm not saying spyware isn't a problem, but let's face it -- how many of us here will use closed source file-sharing software, download smiley packs, screensavers, and installable games from random web sites, install activex controls, or any of the other various other stupid things that'll infect a computer? Yet in this 'quiz', the only options we have are to pick between screen prints.
In short, the portion of this 'story' which claims tech-savvy users will also make the wrong choices is crap...
Right now I'm watching a one month old 34 week gestation boy with a transposition of the great arteries slowly die because of these objections along with a bunch of treatment knots
Cold, heartless perspective -- evolution says that boy needs to die.
Of course, this sentiment doesn't do any good for those forced to watch, or the child forced to suffer.