You forget that often the download and share folders are the same and most people are to lazy to move files themselves so they would just set their download folder right into their collection. So guess what, instant sharing without intent. All this shit just to save some file manipulation. Somehow I doubt the intent is there, without it they've got nothing.
Judges, wake up, you're being screwed with along with the rest of us so why don't you take away these companies corporate charters as the price for doing this shit. Talk about a waste of taxpayer money and court time.
All the guy has to do is rip his song and place it into his collection. If kazaa's receive settings are pointed to the same place or even if he pointed them there, then he's sharing because the receive and sharing system works on the same directory by default. He might not have even known about it as its automatic and doesn't often indicate it unless asked. I can't remember if kazaa even lets you split the receive and share directory(functions) up. Many programs didn't, just allowed you to add on more directories.
Does anyone explain how these programs work? The file receiving directory is the same as the transmitting directory by default, you often can't separate the two functions. Most people set the receiving directory to their music collection directory so they don't have to move the files around once they get them. Hence, their files are public by default because the transmission and receiving point is the same. Malice has nothing to do with it as its just a function of the program that the user has little knowledge or control of besides pointing the program to some other directory which would then be their music collection and still shared out. The RIAA is playing on the design of the program, which is to make files(information) available on the network, any files, to anyone. Thats why its called filesharing, by design, what you receive from everyone else, everyone else can receive from you.
Will someone show the judge how the program works and the way it does its thing. The guy didn't intend to break the law he was using the program for downloading and probably didn't realize the program auto shares everything you get and whatever else is in the receiving directory.
Slackware has dependency management, its call the system administrator. It means you better know what your doing or it may bite you. Please refer to Patrick's message in the early releases about slackware being for programmers(precursor to carmeggedons non-apology for gore). Besides it would help lots if application programmers would document dependencies for their application properly instead of installers(the human kind) having to guess at dependent apps and their configurations. To your credit, it has gotten better the last couple of years. Many more programmers are documenting their code and doing a better job, but there's still a lot of variation in standards of what to document. Autoconfig makes a big difference and helped alot but dependency configuration still can be hell if the dependent programs used a configuration that is not the default. Please list when you change it so we have an idea.
Ydrassil early 1990's. Slackware user since 1994?5, its been that long? Debian off and on since 1997, freebsd early 1990's and since 2004. Various others I just can't remember them all any more.
"No automatic way to uninstall a package and have the system automatically remove the unused ones. "
Freebsd doesn't do that either from my experience. It just removes the installed port and doesn't get rid of the installed dependencies even if they're not used anywhere else.
You don't see any CEOs, boards, or execs go to jail when they make multiple decisions that belly up the company do you? Bankers anyone? These guys definitely hurt more people and knew they would than this guy potentially could have and they got away with it. I've seen nothing here about intent, without it you've got nothing. He obviously wasn't making the right political payoffs.
2.5 years for the attempt, no real crime committed, is pretty stiff. If it had gone off and someone had died then put him under the jail but for just creating the the thing and placing it???!! It's just government doing the job of company policy of firing and blackballing such individuals. This saves the company money by not having to take responsibility for their own people and company behaviors such as not using alternative data backup methods or security. Remember its just electrons in the ether until it actually physically hurts/kills someone and by someone I don't mean companies.
Government and corporations do it everyday, sometimes to whole countries, on an ongoing basis. Intentionally which is often or unintentionally, ruining people seems to be one of the best things we do in America. We're certainly the fastest and most painstakingly methodical, ok brutal, about it. If you need proof just look at iraq, iran, enron, world.com, contract corps in iraq, many of the bank failures of the last twenty years, etc, etc. And when the figureheads, you know "sacrificial lambs", do get caught they give "slap on the wrist sentences" and they don't go after all the rest involved that were guilty. Often those who got away committed worse crimes.
"Now we've allowed many people to enter the profession without comprehending the rigors of preconditions. It's as if we had taught a generation of lawyers how to practice law, but omitted liability. Oops. What to do about it? Invent Java, and tell all these programmers it wasn't their fault in the first place."
Is it just me or did you just describe politicians and our current political nightmare in America(US)?
PS. Sometime this board linefeeds and sometimes it doesn't.
"Now we've allowed many people to enter the profession without comprehending the rigors of preconditions. It's as if we had taught a generation of lawyers how to practice law, but omitted liability. Oops. What to do about it? Invent Java, and tell all these programmers it wasn't their fault in the first place."
Is it just me or did you just describe politicians and our current political nightmare in America(US)?
"But, the whole reason to GO to a University, is to get the skills/education to make more money when finished, than you would have if you had not gone."
Wrong!
A trade school or college is for getting skills to make money. If all you want is to increase your income this is where you should be. Where information learned at universities is specialized for what is required in the corporate world.
A university is for research and education. A repository of knowledge. Learning centers to enable individuals to better benefit themselves and society by preserving and increasing our body of knowledge. You know, "learning for its own sake". Increased income is just a side effect of learning and doesn't always happen. Making more money should be just a side issue, not the main one. It's amazing what we'll do to ourselves for just a few more pennies rather than just because its a good thing to do. You can't measure benefits of learning in just monetary terms otherwise you've wasted your time and the universities time.
A trade school/college is a means to an end. A university is a means and its own end.
Shouldn't the patents belong to the olpc project since it was done on their tab. Nice to see ethics in the well educated.(not) I doubt she didn't get paid and compensated for her developments.
"The slashdot discussion system is a joke run by arrogant, biased, opinion nazis"
And long may they rein.
Maybe we should just send a cattle prod to their wives with a note about why. I'm sure they'll have a reason to use it anyway. Send something worse each time they put up a truly idiotic story. Double the doses to Zonk and Kdawson or just increase on a logarithmic curve.
I just wish the ati graphics support and the games in ports would be kept up to date. My X600 barfs in some way on just about every opengl app in the ports system. Thats when it isn't really slow.
Start yelling prejudice which is what is going on. If your doing a good job for whoever, whatever else is going on is none of their business. If they take action on an issue not job related they should be smacked down, hard. The problem is theirs, don't let them make it yours. If you're not valuable enough to keep around then be glad to move on. Just another price the you and the boss has to pay for someone else's arrogance. You might surprise yourself and get a better job.
I wonder where openness, acceptance, and tolerance went in this country? I know, but I thought I should ask anyway.
The tell them to stop taking anything and everything from the government, tax breaks, lobbying - businesses aren't people, etc. As long as businesses exist on the public dough they are little more than government extensions and should be constitutionally/legally limited as such. Besides there is such a thing as "costs of doing business", that includes your employees, their off time is none of your business and just another of those risks that could cost. If you are afraid of the risks, don't hire anyone. You want to run a business, earn it you weenies. And yes I know the goal(currently) is low cost and high income but trying to cut certain costs is a fast track to a well deserved lynching or other form of disaster.(enron,worldcom,china) Personally, I think we need a few public political lynchings just remind government who they are supposed to be working for and if they aren't don't take the job.
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"Citadel: the open source Exchange killer. www.citadel.org [citadel.org]"
Wow, it's still around. I was using citadel in the early 90's or earlier.?? I keep thinking mid-late 80's. Man, has it been that long? Amiga or PC, probably both just can't remember now, I probably still have it lying around in the archives. Loved the system and the concept, made for a great online games as well as bbs and data organization. Missed it after I went on to other things (army, work) and couldn't keep it up. I thought it went the way of bbs's after the WWW came along. I'm glad it's still around. Come to think of it how long has it been around?
You do realize that by torturing these people for the rest of their lives that you are breeding the new freedom fighters for the next generation. Freedom fighters fighting to be free in the United States of America. You know, the land of the free etc. Kids whose lives have already been ruined by foolhardy congressman and an idiotic public by being labeled (undesirable, sex offender, pedo, rapist, gay, liberal, pick your label) and forced into a meaningless life now will have nothing to lose. I won't be surprised when we see more kids like the one in Omaha, NE, but maybe with a little more of a grudge, walking into a government building with a bomb and trying to kill a few (ok many) lawyers and politicians (lobbyists as well). I wouldn't even be surprised if they killed people in a mall since as they are the public they are ultimately responsible for the misapplication of law, by the politicians, that has done this to them. Most things people do aren't worth ruining their life for, especially if they still have to live that life. When they are, that's what prisons are for.
For the idiot who was whining about some guy showing his business in public scaring his kid. Throw out the TV and teach the kid about real life, that's if you're up on the subject yourself. One of the main reasons many people are victims is we teach them to be, often to the point of extreme arrogance, that they are above it all. So when real life, you know, good/bad, life/death happens, its a big belly drop and we make them out to be victims even when they are smart enough to know they are not. We ram it down their throats, especially kids, to the point that they are completely hobbled by it.
Parents if you can't control your kids on the internet, take it away. I know you might have to have meaningful conversations with them from then on, but you made that choice when you decided to have kids. Stop burdening the rest of us with your choices. That includes pandering politicians.
I couldn't read the article but from the posts the cop was 500ft up but how far away was he? In the city, at a mile, they wouldn't have even heard him to notice him coming with all the background noise but the laser would still shine with power into the cockpit, even just swinging it around a glancing shot would be enough. I have no sympathy for our spies in the sky but if the government doesn't want an obviously dangerous device in the general publics hands then either regulate it or ban it. Oh ya, there's that capitalistic greed and public rights things and of course lack of consumer protection agency. This story is about clobbering an ant with an asteroid and misuse of air resources, cops shouldn't be in the air, adding to the various pollution problems along with being a publicly funded pest, unless needed.
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As for it being illegal to point in the sky, so much for the atmosphere being public and free. Safety is a lame excuse, flying isn't safe and never will be(even without the 20 to 30 year old (or more) junk in many of those cockpits). You take a risk every time you go up and are at the mercy of those on the ground when you do, for it is over them you fly(egotism?) and eventually have to come back too(sometimes in a variety of ways)(wing and a prayer). If you don't like the risks drive like the rest of us. Maybe if we don't like you polluting(in various ways) our space you might be coming down faster(risk increase).(might be a better way to handle the problem) I digress, the federal crap is overkill to horrific proportions, government as usual. Someday our modern congress/president/courts/government(bureaucracy) will do something right, but I won't hold my breath for it, not with lobbyists holding the purse strings. And I sure won't depend on it to follow the constitution.
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Judges, wake up, you're being screwed with along with the rest of us so why don't you take away these companies corporate charters as the price for doing this shit. Talk about a waste of taxpayer money and court time.
All the guy has to do is rip his song and place it into his collection. If kazaa's receive settings are pointed to the same place or even if he pointed them there, then he's sharing because the receive and sharing system works on the same directory by default. He might not have even known about it as its automatic and doesn't often indicate it unless asked. I can't remember if kazaa even lets you split the receive and share directory(functions) up. Many programs didn't, just allowed you to add on more directories.
Will someone show the judge how the program works and the way it does its thing. The guy didn't intend to break the law he was using the program for downloading and probably didn't realize the program auto shares everything you get and whatever else is in the receiving directory.
Ydrassil early 1990's. Slackware user since 1994?5, its been that long? Debian off and on since 1997, freebsd early 1990's and since 2004. Various others I just can't remember them all any more.
Freebsd doesn't do that either from my experience. It just removes the installed port and doesn't get rid of the installed dependencies even if they're not used anywhere else.
Were the kids rich or poor?
That choice doesn't always exist. Especially when you have dependents and bills to pay and the job you have just barely makes it.
You don't see any CEOs, boards, or execs go to jail when they make multiple decisions that belly up the company do you? Bankers anyone? These guys definitely hurt more people and knew they would than this guy potentially could have and they got away with it. I've seen nothing here about intent, without it you've got nothing. He obviously wasn't making the right political payoffs.
2.5 years for the attempt, no real crime committed, is pretty stiff. If it had gone off and someone had died then put him under the jail but for just creating the the thing and placing it???!! It's just government doing the job of company policy of firing and blackballing such individuals. This saves the company money by not having to take responsibility for their own people and company behaviors such as not using alternative data backup methods or security. Remember its just electrons in the ether until it actually physically hurts/kills someone and by someone I don't mean companies.
Government and corporations do it everyday, sometimes to whole countries, on an ongoing basis. Intentionally which is often or unintentionally, ruining people seems to be one of the best things we do in America. We're certainly the fastest and most painstakingly methodical, ok brutal, about it. If you need proof just look at iraq, iran, enron, world.com, contract corps in iraq, many of the bank failures of the last twenty years, etc, etc. And when the figureheads, you know "sacrificial lambs", do get caught they give "slap on the wrist sentences" and they don't go after all the rest involved that were guilty. Often those who got away committed worse crimes.
Is it just me or did you just describe politicians and our current political nightmare in America(US)?
PS. Sometime this board linefeeds and sometimes it doesn't."Now we've allowed many people to enter the profession without comprehending the rigors of preconditions. It's as if we had taught a generation of lawyers how to practice law, but omitted liability. Oops. What to do about it? Invent Java, and tell all these programmers it wasn't their fault in the first place." Is it just me or did you just describe politicians and our current political nightmare in America(US)?
"But, the whole reason to GO to a University, is to get the skills/education to make more money when finished, than you would have if you had not gone."
Wrong!
A trade school or college is for getting skills to make money. If all you want is to increase your income this is where you should be. Where information learned at universities is specialized for what is required in the corporate world.
A university is for research and education. A repository of knowledge. Learning centers to enable individuals to better benefit themselves and society by preserving and increasing our body of knowledge. You know, "learning for its own sake". Increased income is just a side effect of learning and doesn't always happen. Making more money should be just a side issue, not the main one. It's amazing what we'll do to ourselves for just a few more pennies rather than just because its a good thing to do. You can't measure benefits of learning in just monetary terms otherwise you've wasted your time and the universities time.
A trade school/college is a means to an end. A university is a means and its own end.
Shouldn't the patents belong to the olpc project since it was done on their tab. Nice to see ethics in the well educated.(not) I doubt she didn't get paid and compensated for her developments.
And long may they rein.
Maybe we should just send a cattle prod to their wives with a note about why. I'm sure they'll have a reason to use it anyway. Send something worse each time they put up a truly idiotic story. Double the doses to Zonk and Kdawson or just increase on a logarithmic curve.
I just wish the ati graphics support and the games in ports would be kept up to date. My X600 barfs in some way on just about every opengl app in the ports system. Thats when it isn't really slow.
No, but my cat pissed in one. I disassembled, cleaned, and I'm typing this to you now on it now. And no smell.
I wonder where openness, acceptance, and tolerance went in this country? I know, but I thought I should ask anyway.
The tell them to stop taking anything and everything from the government, tax breaks, lobbying - businesses aren't people, etc. As long as businesses exist on the public dough they are little more than government extensions and should be constitutionally/legally limited as such. Besides there is such a thing as "costs of doing business", that includes your employees, their off time is none of your business and just another of those risks that could cost. If you are afraid of the risks, don't hire anyone. You want to run a business, earn it you weenies. And yes I know the goal(currently) is low cost and high income but trying to cut certain costs is a fast track to a well deserved lynching or other form of disaster.(enron,worldcom,china) Personally, I think we need a few public political lynchings just remind government who they are supposed to be working for and if they aren't don't take the job.
Wow, it's still around. I was using citadel in the early 90's or earlier.?? I keep thinking mid-late 80's. Man, has it been that long? Amiga or PC, probably both just can't remember now, I probably still have it lying around in the archives. Loved the system and the concept, made for a great online games as well as bbs and data organization. Missed it after I went on to other things (army, work) and couldn't keep it up. I thought it went the way of bbs's after the WWW came along. I'm glad it's still around. Come to think of it how long has it been around?
There's Slackware, FreeBSD, PC-BSD, PCLinuxOS (gnome version too). Ah, hell, just look on distrowatch.com and pick you're favorite 10 of 500?.
For the idiot who was whining about some guy showing his business in public scaring his kid. Throw out the TV and teach the kid about real life, that's if you're up on the subject yourself. One of the main reasons many people are victims is we teach them to be, often to the point of extreme arrogance, that they are above it all. So when real life, you know, good/bad, life/death happens, its a big belly drop and we make them out to be victims even when they are smart enough to know they are not. We ram it down their throats, especially kids, to the point that they are completely hobbled by it.
Parents if you can't control your kids on the internet, take it away. I know you might have to have meaningful conversations with them from then on, but you made that choice when you decided to have kids. Stop burdening the rest of us with your choices. That includes pandering politicians.
rant:
As for it being illegal to point in the sky, so much for the atmosphere being public and free. Safety is a lame excuse, flying isn't safe and never will be(even without the 20 to 30 year old (or more) junk in many of those cockpits). You take a risk every time you go up and are at the mercy of those on the ground when you do, for it is over them you fly(egotism?) and eventually have to come back too(sometimes in a variety of ways)(wing and a prayer). If you don't like the risks drive like the rest of us. Maybe if we don't like you polluting(in various ways) our space you might be coming down faster(risk increase).(might be a better way to handle the problem) I digress, the federal crap is overkill to horrific proportions, government as usual. Someday our modern congress/president/courts/government(bureaucracy) will do something right, but I won't hold my breath for it, not with lobbyists holding the purse strings. And I sure won't depend on it to follow the constitution.Oh yes you can, just plan on one or the other to eventually fail. Just look at recent history.(last 50 years)
So it's okay to point at a fully armed f-16 flying nearby, right?