They electrocuted the kid after he was down. It's called abuse of power as was the whole situation. He was exercising his right under the 1st amendment. There's a reason why its first, for without it the rest of the amendments are meaningless.
What scares me is Kerry didn't do something about it. He above everybody else should know better(1960's) and should have got down and stopped the officers behavior since they are doing it on his watch. And he wanted to be elected, kind of scary when our leaders won't stop a constitutional violation in progress nevermind in front of his eyes.
You left out two(the last two are more specific versions of the first two) that didn't exist in high end machines 10 years ago but exist in the current ones.
gigabyte sized OS? check
massive applications? check
bloated internet forcing bloated interface software? check
bloated guis on everything? check
Computers today are not much faster in many applications than computers 10 years ago just due to the waste created by bloated (easy to use/gui?) software.
Your responsibility is to protect your legal rights, especially when the law is being misapplied by law enforcement. If you wait for a judge to reinstate them it's too late. It's our right as constitutional citizens to refuse and challenge if the law is being applied improperly. Police only have authority to give orders when the situation calls for it, it didn't. It was a public forum for a public official who answers to us and to the questioner. If the audience cheered it just proves how superficial the audience was.(college kids often are especially in this day and age) I hope he sues the pants off the local government and turns it into a PR nightmare.
You forget probable cause. There was no knife, just a student exercising his first amendment rights. Kerry, of all people, should recognize it for what it was.(ah memories, 1960s) The police officers have no authority unless there is probable cause that a law is being broken, until then they are bystanders. Maybe they should have a constitutional degree requirement for employment as a law enforcement officer.
Obviously you've never read the constitution or have any idea of its meaning. Self-serving people like you are the reason for the current collapse in civil rights among other things. Get off the couch and realize there's a real world out there. When police(blackwater) overreact in Iraq(warzone) its sad, when police do it here(law/peaceful) its a constitutional tragedy. I worry it's becoming time for the ammo box. What was it: When they came for the others I said nothing because I wasn't one of them. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak for me.
Oh, lets not forget the government with their no child left behind policy, or the state and local school districts with their 10 administators for every kid and 20 kids for ever teacher. Your 50 is nothing. Lets hear it for government waste. And then there's the rest of us who have to pay for the schools and courts and government bureaucracy whether we have any kids or not, we at least are entitled to mom them as we pay for the privilege.
Ya, on vendor locked in and limited hardware, nevermind twice as expensive, that includes repairs and parts or extra toys. And they all(win,osx,lin,bsd) need a tech weenie(watch your insults you prick) to maintain it when it goes wrong. It's easy to make something work on a limited platform, not so when you have to fight for every inch on a completely open platform.
OS upgrades on ubuntu are every 6 months with constant updates and revisions to current changes and problems detected in the net world. How often does windows and apple correct things, once a month when your lucky and when they aren't ignoring(apple) or covering up(Microsoft) the flaw instead.
The fact that in a few years ubuntu has more stability than windows and is almost as pretty as osx while being free to users says a hell of a lot. Unless people start using it even with flaws, not like they are that bad, no one will change over to use it. Windows had and still has several flaws, especially in the beginning, and it had to be learned as well.
How many people buy a machine and have to install drivers off the net or software as soon as they get home? Nothing just works so save it please.
The comparisons are apples and oranges, windows and osx are tweaked, ubuntu is just dumped on. Kick the vendor(dell) in the head and get on with it. The laptops have only been out a short time. Windows has been out nearly a year already and how's it doing? Judging from the Osx fanboying it should have taken over the market by now. Odd how I see less bitching and a lot more patience with the commercial offerings. And since ubuntu is growing rather quickly anyway other considerations must matter.
If you're still downloading drivers for XP, ubuntu is already ahead. This whining by obvious fanboys of commercial OSes has to stop. Hey, open source is free so it can't pay for patent encumbered shit, take 10 seconds of your time and install from the package manager. It's not like the OS is costing you anything so you're still saving money.
Opportunity?!! What is that? You couldn't be refering to the elections could you? Where the candidates prance for money and kiss corporate ass behind closed doors(lately its been blatently in the open) while lying to the public that they care. Opportunity:Slim at best, meaningless at worst.
Democrats cut off the money. You can't fight a war without money. Is it just me or are optimistic young republicans(early 90's) the only group that have balls.
We are not trying to start a war with China. Although we are giving them all the technology they need to wipe the floor with our asses. Thank you corporate republicans. Look around idiot, the war with Iran hasn't started yet. The US isn't in position for another one either although Bush jr. is crazy enough to try anyway. Beside making fun of people hasn't changed its just come back into fashion. And unfortunately, the US population has become as self-serving as the rest of the world.Evidence to the contrary is disappearing. (I still hope I'm wrong) So there are no checks to prevent or correct a political or any other disaster anymore. What's worse, when the US goes wrong there is no one country big enough or wise enough to help us, unlike the US pulling everyone else out of the numerous and various political, social, humanitarian, military, etc, black holes and fires of the last century. I'm afraid we're on our own to fix ourselves or drown in our own and others mistakes.
"Th US has to stop trying to be the world police."
Well, one of us has to and since none of you self-serving pricks want the job, the US is stuck with it. Nevermind we've been doing it and paying for it since the 1940's anyway. The rest of you have a lot of nerve since without the US most of you would be saying "hiel Hitler" or "comrade" by now. That's besides paying for the very standard of living you now enjoy. Now that we are hurting from helping everyone else, its nice to know that our "friends" have such short memories. That goes for you too South America.(I've been hearing alot of negative shit from your direction) Without the US forgiving alot of your loans that kept you from collapsing, besides other benign policies(immigration for one), you wouldn't be enjoying your current economic prosperity.
A few hundred bucks??
A mac, $1000 at least, little knowledge required to operate, limited hardware, limited to no expandability, hardware becomes obsolete quickly especially video, retail and free software available limited somewhat by market share, some community oversight and support limited by apple lockin, vendor lockin in hardware and most software.
A MS PC, $700, little knowledge needed depends on how PC was acquired but more than mac, expandable, large hardware requirement especially vista $200 plus other application requirements, largest availabilility hardware and software, most software is retail, drivers come with hardware but are often outdated but can be updated from net, total vendor oversight and support on OS only, limited community support due to OS vendor lockin, vendor lockin on OS and most applications.
Linux or bsd PC, roughly half the cost in hardware as windows pc to do same job and software is free, moderate knowledge may be necessary but is being corrected(ubuntu,pcbsd), hardware expandability of MS PC but driver support in the OS isn't always there still like MS PC drivers and support are often available on the net, games limited due to vendors not platform as mac proves, large library of free software, community oversight and support with quick response to issues, OS flexible and usage unlimited, no lockin on hardware, OS, or applications.
And how many of those features do you really use? It doesn't matter what features it has if you don't use them. Most of those features are high-end, not something Bob editing his kids photos is going to need.
Actually, the linux guys violated their own moral high ground (oss) by taking code and relicensing it so it couldn't be used by the authors and the bsd hotheads called them on it.
Linux guys, get some manners.
Without the hotheads, ignoring ethical violations would be easier.
Of course, look at the world and tell me about ethics.
It's not about what the bsd license says. It's about the hypocrisy of linux saying we want to share and then running off with the code and/or putting roadblocks in the way of it being shared back by putting it under their own license when its already under the bsd one. It's unethical especially as linux expects to hold the moral high ground. If you want to share then respect the authors and share back in a way so they can use it. Just because the license doesn't say you should share back doesn't mean you shouldn't, it's actually implied by the ideology(oss). By the way, just because US copyright sees dual licensing one way doesn't mean other countries will, besides whenever you get large groups control games are inevitable and oss/gpl isn't immune. Theo probably just doesn't want the potential headache if oss/gpl tightens ranks to some threat. Gpl3 anyone.
Dual licensing with opposing licenses is ethically ironic anyway. (ha,ha)
I've read some of these derivative works. Tell me where does darin's code stop and bob's start? Putting both licenses in the code doesn't mean shit if you don't know where the changes are.
"This is pretty straightforward. There are no infringing Linux kernels out there. "
No, just unethical kernels. If you copy bsd code and stick the gpl on it it's still wrong. If you don't like the bsd license that's on the code, write your own driver from scratch and stop swiping someone else's code because you're too lazy. Double licensing makes no sense since as soon you put the more restrictive license on the previous license is meaningless.
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Thank you, some sense for once.
They electrocuted the kid after he was down. It's called abuse of power as was the whole situation. He was exercising his right under the 1st amendment. There's a reason why its first, for without it the rest of the amendments are meaningless.
What scares me is Kerry didn't do something about it. He above everybody else should know better(1960's) and should have got down and stopped the officers behavior since they are doing it on his watch. And he wanted to be elected, kind of scary when our leaders won't stop a constitutional violation in progress nevermind in front of his eyes.
You left out two(the last two are more specific versions of the first two) that didn't exist in high end machines 10 years ago but exist in the current ones. gigabyte sized OS? check massive applications? check bloated internet forcing bloated interface software? check bloated guis on everything? check Computers today are not much faster in many applications than computers 10 years ago just due to the waste created by bloated (easy to use/gui?) software.
Appropriateness is irrelevant. You embarrass me. Don't forget to submit when the come for you.
Your responsibility is to protect your legal rights, especially when the law is being misapplied by law enforcement. If you wait for a judge to reinstate them it's too late. It's our right as constitutional citizens to refuse and challenge if the law is being applied improperly. Police only have authority to give orders when the situation calls for it, it didn't. It was a public forum for a public official who answers to us and to the questioner. If the audience cheered it just proves how superficial the audience was.(college kids often are especially in this day and age) I hope he sues the pants off the local government and turns it into a PR nightmare.
You forget probable cause. There was no knife, just a student exercising his first amendment rights. Kerry, of all people, should recognize it for what it was.(ah memories, 1960s) The police officers have no authority unless there is probable cause that a law is being broken, until then they are bystanders. Maybe they should have a constitutional degree requirement for employment as a law enforcement officer.
You're forgetting something its called the first amendment.
Obviously you've never read the constitution or have any idea of its meaning. Self-serving people like you are the reason for the current collapse in civil rights among other things. Get off the couch and realize there's a real world out there. When police(blackwater) overreact in Iraq(warzone) its sad, when police do it here(law/peaceful) its a constitutional tragedy. I worry it's becoming time for the ammo box.
What was it: When they came for the others I said nothing because I wasn't one of them. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak for me.
Oh, lets not forget the government with their no child left behind policy, or the state and local school districts with their 10 administators for every kid and 20 kids for ever teacher. Your 50 is nothing. Lets hear it for government waste. And then there's the rest of us who have to pay for the schools and courts and government bureaucracy whether we have any kids or not, we at least are entitled to mom them as we pay for the privilege.
Ya, on vendor locked in and limited hardware, nevermind twice as expensive, that includes repairs and parts or extra toys. And they all(win,osx,lin,bsd) need a tech weenie(watch your insults you prick) to maintain it when it goes wrong. It's easy to make something work on a limited platform, not so when you have to fight for every inch on a completely open platform. OS upgrades on ubuntu are every 6 months with constant updates and revisions to current changes and problems detected in the net world. How often does windows and apple correct things, once a month when your lucky and when they aren't ignoring(apple) or covering up(Microsoft) the flaw instead. The fact that in a few years ubuntu has more stability than windows and is almost as pretty as osx while being free to users says a hell of a lot. Unless people start using it even with flaws, not like they are that bad, no one will change over to use it. Windows had and still has several flaws, especially in the beginning, and it had to be learned as well. How many people buy a machine and have to install drivers off the net or software as soon as they get home? Nothing just works so save it please. The comparisons are apples and oranges, windows and osx are tweaked, ubuntu is just dumped on. Kick the vendor(dell) in the head and get on with it. The laptops have only been out a short time. Windows has been out nearly a year already and how's it doing? Judging from the Osx fanboying it should have taken over the market by now. Odd how I see less bitching and a lot more patience with the commercial offerings. And since ubuntu is growing rather quickly anyway other considerations must matter.
If you're still downloading drivers for XP, ubuntu is already ahead. This whining by obvious fanboys of commercial OSes has to stop. Hey, open source is free so it can't pay for patent encumbered shit, take 10 seconds of your time and install from the package manager. It's not like the OS is costing you anything so you're still saving money.
Opportunity?!! What is that? You couldn't be refering to the elections could you? Where the candidates prance for money and kiss corporate ass behind closed doors(lately its been blatently in the open) while lying to the public that they care. Opportunity:Slim at best, meaningless at worst. Democrats cut off the money. You can't fight a war without money. Is it just me or are optimistic young republicans(early 90's) the only group that have balls.
We are not trying to start a war with China. Although we are giving them all the technology they need to wipe the floor with our asses. Thank you corporate republicans. Look around idiot, the war with Iran hasn't started yet. The US isn't in position for another one either although Bush jr. is crazy enough to try anyway. Beside making fun of people hasn't changed its just come back into fashion. And unfortunately, the US population has become as self-serving as the rest of the world.Evidence to the contrary is disappearing. (I still hope I'm wrong) So there are no checks to prevent or correct a political or any other disaster anymore. What's worse, when the US goes wrong there is no one country big enough or wise enough to help us, unlike the US pulling everyone else out of the numerous and various political, social, humanitarian, military, etc, black holes and fires of the last century. I'm afraid we're on our own to fix ourselves or drown in our own and others mistakes.
"Th US has to stop trying to be the world police." Well, one of us has to and since none of you self-serving pricks want the job, the US is stuck with it. Nevermind we've been doing it and paying for it since the 1940's anyway. The rest of you have a lot of nerve since without the US most of you would be saying "hiel Hitler" or "comrade" by now. That's besides paying for the very standard of living you now enjoy. Now that we are hurting from helping everyone else, its nice to know that our "friends" have such short memories. That goes for you too South America.(I've been hearing alot of negative shit from your direction) Without the US forgiving alot of your loans that kept you from collapsing, besides other benign policies(immigration for one), you wouldn't be enjoying your current economic prosperity.
A few hundred bucks?? A mac, $1000 at least, little knowledge required to operate, limited hardware, limited to no expandability, hardware becomes obsolete quickly especially video, retail and free software available limited somewhat by market share, some community oversight and support limited by apple lockin, vendor lockin in hardware and most software. A MS PC, $700, little knowledge needed depends on how PC was acquired but more than mac, expandable, large hardware requirement especially vista $200 plus other application requirements, largest availabilility hardware and software, most software is retail, drivers come with hardware but are often outdated but can be updated from net, total vendor oversight and support on OS only, limited community support due to OS vendor lockin, vendor lockin on OS and most applications. Linux or bsd PC, roughly half the cost in hardware as windows pc to do same job and software is free, moderate knowledge may be necessary but is being corrected(ubuntu,pcbsd), hardware expandability of MS PC but driver support in the OS isn't always there still like MS PC drivers and support are often available on the net, games limited due to vendors not platform as mac proves, large library of free software, community oversight and support with quick response to issues, OS flexible and usage unlimited, no lockin on hardware, OS, or applications.
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And windows is like a dog that has been fed pet food from china since birth. (Vet trips, limited survival)
And how many of those features do you really use? It doesn't matter what features it has if you don't use them. Most of those features are high-end, not something Bob editing his kids photos is going to need.
only if I get the choice of where up you I can shove the keyboard, computer, and the tubes.
No, just that linux violates it's own ethical standard by doing so.
Actually, the linux guys violated their own moral high ground (oss) by taking code and relicensing it so it couldn't be used by the authors and the bsd hotheads called them on it. Linux guys, get some manners. Without the hotheads, ignoring ethical violations would be easier. Of course, look at the world and tell me about ethics.
It's not about what the bsd license says. It's about the hypocrisy of linux saying we want to share and then running off with the code and/or putting roadblocks in the way of it being shared back by putting it under their own license when its already under the bsd one. It's unethical especially as linux expects to hold the moral high ground. If you want to share then respect the authors and share back in a way so they can use it. Just because the license doesn't say you should share back doesn't mean you shouldn't, it's actually implied by the ideology(oss). By the way, just because US copyright sees dual licensing one way doesn't mean other countries will, besides whenever you get large groups control games are inevitable and oss/gpl isn't immune. Theo probably just doesn't want the potential headache if oss/gpl tightens ranks to some threat. Gpl3 anyone. Dual licensing with opposing licenses is ethically ironic anyway. (ha,ha)
I've read some of these derivative works. Tell me where does darin's code stop and bob's start? Putting both licenses in the code doesn't mean shit if you don't know where the changes are.
"This is pretty straightforward. There are no infringing Linux kernels out there. " No, just unethical kernels. If you copy bsd code and stick the gpl on it it's still wrong. If you don't like the bsd license that's on the code, write your own driver from scratch and stop swiping someone else's code because you're too lazy. Double licensing makes no sense since as soon you put the more restrictive license on the previous license is meaningless.