Your short response is so pregnant with errors of thought, that I wonder if it were not meant merely to goad.
Let us suppose that your monoculture becomes the opportune host for a parasite, and eliminates 80% of all strawberries on earth - as there are no other lines to introduce for survival. This has already happened once, to the Banana. The chalky item eaten today, a "Cavendish" is very different from the fruit of my early childhood. That's because those "Big Mike" variety went extinct in the '60's from Panama disease. The replacement was discovered in Asia after many years - and was transplanted in Central America. Trust me, youngster: it's a poor replacement.
Your proposition says the particular choices that we are making at this point in economic, climatic and political history are near-perfect, and without genetic diversity, will serve nearly all circumstances into perpetuity. Not bloody likely.
You also assume that lines are chosen for their "tastiness". This is almost NEVER the case! They are chosen for pest/pesticide hardiness, storage and shipping convenience - and... their suitability to industrial-scale monoculture methods!
For my point, try eating an heirloom apple sometime. Do so, while also sampling that tasteless Fuji from you favorite grocers.
And the fact that industrial farming destroys land and consumes hydrocarbons at an alarming rate. It is destructive to biodiversity - defining itself in producing exclusive monocultures.
Michael Pollan's work is considered, even toned, and alarming. on these points, and others. I'd go after both The Omnivore's Dilemma and In Defense of Food.
"For more than a century now, scientists have known that whenever a people take up Western habits of eating, the so-called Western diseases follow. The best-known examples include obesity, diabetes, hypertension, coronary artery disease, stroke, and cancer, but the list also includes appendicitis, diverticulitis, tooth decay, varicose veins, ulcers, and hemorrhoids. All of these diseases are extremely rare in populations that still eat as their ancestors did for centuries."
I'll be pasting this wire service shit into my so-called "journal entries", as per usual. I can always automate OCR off of the screen. So what if hyperlinks aren't preserved? Context and reference can be established by the 1 or 2 blokes who are already actually verifying that stuff.
I'm sure that this won't stop Wired News, Cryptogon.com, Cannon Fire or any of the guys like whatreallyhappened.com - who dump a bit of everything undercovered into the mix. But it will slow them - a bit.
Instead of this crappy pseudo-technology, which has been shown to be ineffective in every other application, AP could profitably syndicate with Google, and share ad revenues. AP==content Google==delivery+revenue engine.
Instead, they want to kill the bloggers - not because of business models. Because they no longer gatekeep the message or manage how it is spun.
Great oligarchs own the megaconglomerates behind corporate news. That's not wild-eyed tinfoil hatted craziness, but simple facts from earnings reports. With incipient dictatorship in everywhere from Western Europe, the US, Iran and Israel, and a coming fiscal "crisis" designed to unify world reserve currency, there's a greater need than ever for these "overlords" - and the banks that loaned them their capital - to turn the Weird Wild Web into your 1984 telescreen.
So, they'll try. Soon, it won't be worth switching on the router - cause you'll be tracked like a migratory bird. In the meantime, we'll all still link and scrape. We'll still point out EXACTLY what they are up to.
Proprietary, closed source drivers are the biggest barrier to the perceived capability and adoption of Free Software (tm). If there are Rude Drivers, we need to ensure that these are open-sourced, without binary obfuscation or other proprietary claims made through digital rights restrictions, etc.
Nineteen Eighty Four Someday they won't let you Now you must agree The times they are a telling And the changing isn't free You read it in the tea leaves And the tracks are on TV Beware the Savage Jaw In Nineteen Eighty Four
They'll split your pretty cranium And fill it full of air They'll tell you that you're eighty And really you won't care You'll be shooting up on everything Tomorrow's never there Beware the Savage Jaw In Nineteen Eighty Four
Star Trek was propaganda to brainwash a generation in the following: that increased application of technology was ultimately more humanizing, that a universal government is naturally the means to reach enlightened aspiration that a paramilitary mission is romantic and beneficiary to all involved
It's just the British Empire, the East India Company and White-man's Burden - in spandex with lasers.
Entertaining, surely. I wouldn't expose my children to this sort of New World Order rubbish!
I said there was a missing human element - not that I viewed the elevator-operator situation an Ideal - nor that I was an idealist, rather than a realist.
Your response is not organised, and represents poor argument construction.
Ultimately the 'crappy job' is preferable to living on a trash heap, facing starvation - the alternative posed for this 'class' of people in the GP thread.
I was insisting that the possibility for occasional manifestation of humanity between people, made worthwhile the obvious material inequities.
You prefer to interact with machines, rather that be reminded that you have a sympathetic, human response to the plight of others? Out of sight, out of mind. "Man, let 'em all die! Just give me a button to push, so I don't have to be aware of it."
Shorenstein ran a building a few years ago, still with an elevator operator. I wouldn't trade away the couple of pleasantries - heart felt - I had in a couple of short years, for any convenient numbing of my conciousness.
You can't Legislate against Entropy. The Jurisdiction, in which the Second Law of Thermodynamics takes effect, has a compelling and superogatory authority over sovereign British law - like European parliament,
The heat-data will ultimately be dispersed evenly throughout the universe, despite efforts to make a temporal-local phenomenon of reversal or stasis...
Other than the Silent Movie crack, the elimination of these type of positions has been done not to make a more convenient world for most - but to line the pockets of your trillionaire, super-rich class, at the expense of the livelihood of large segments of the society, and to the detriment of the general humanity of life in the 'modern' age.
Perhaps a machine cocoon life - the logical conclusion of your argument - is your objective? Never meet another person, as long as you live?
Sealed in the robo-cocoon, all your needs met by servile technology. Fluids and solids delivered and extracted from various orifices, in your cyber-slumber. Welcome to the Blue-Pill universe.
"What floor, please?" is an opportunity to interact as a human being, in some small way. The disappearance of this from the world is a little, incremental darkening... a diminution of the real quality of life.
You were fooled, with every one else, that you live in an age of "progress". The abstracted, technological form of human predation that is this world is no progress.
Murder by numbers, 1,2,3, It's as easy to do, As your ABC...
First of all, your assumption that it is stupid people who do simple labour - rather than the socially marginalized - is absurd, offensive and not worthy of deeper critical examination, except by way of devastating the thought.
Your proposition is "Santa Claus" economics - If you have something, it must be because you deserved it and if you are in poverty of opportunity and money? You deserved that, too.
That's how slow genocide has been perpetrated against the native populations of United States, Australia and Southern Africa.
I have had my own shoes shined, and been driven in cabs by people who's bags I am not fit to carry - by means of either their intellect or simple good will and sheer humanity.
But it is clear that valuing humanity would be a difficult conception for you.
Most of the regular girls, Bethanie, Silly Pixie, Queenoftheonering, whoever else... They left (figuratively and literally) to Multiply quite some time ago.
Some of these guys who post journals are married - but for the larger demographic, you have better chances finding a woman in the L.A. Galaxy locker room, trying to get a peek at Beckham's bend.
The rest? Well, I have two words: Joanna Rutkowska.
"I'm a boy, I'm a boy, But my mom won't admit it I'm a boy, But if I say I am, I get it!"
Every time somebody claims they'll have an artificial brain/mind/intelligence or whatnot, I am tempted to go into either the anti-materialist argument, the unknown complexity argument, or the modeling only observations argument against this folly.
The I remember the problem has a much simpler destructive argument:
I am still waiting for the convincing artificial flower.
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Your short response is so pregnant with errors of thought, that I wonder if it were not meant merely to goad.
Let us suppose that your monoculture becomes the opportune host for a parasite, and eliminates 80% of all strawberries on earth - as there are no other lines to introduce for survival. This has already happened once, to the Banana. The chalky item eaten today, a "Cavendish" is very different from the fruit of my early childhood. That's because those "Big Mike" variety went extinct in the '60's from Panama disease. The replacement was discovered in Asia after many years - and was transplanted in Central America. Trust me, youngster: it's a poor replacement.
Your proposition says the particular choices that we are making at this point in economic, climatic and political history are near-perfect, and without genetic diversity, will serve nearly all circumstances into perpetuity. Not bloody likely.
You also assume that lines are chosen for their "tastiness". This is almost NEVER the case! They are chosen for pest/pesticide hardiness, storage and shipping convenience - and... their suitability to industrial-scale monoculture methods!
For my point, try eating an heirloom apple sometime. Do so, while also sampling that tasteless Fuji from you favorite grocers.
Interesting. I wonder what a six month old foetus eats?
Baby corn and miniature Vienna Sausages.
Oh, and Bloodfarts.
Yeah.
And the fact that industrial farming destroys land and consumes hydrocarbons at an alarming rate. It is destructive to biodiversity - defining itself in producing exclusive monocultures.
Michael Pollan's work is considered, even toned, and alarming. on these points, and others. I'd go after both The Omnivore's Dilemma and In Defense of Food.
"For more than a century now, scientists have known that whenever a people take up Western habits of eating, the so-called Western diseases follow. The best-known examples include obesity, diabetes, hypertension, coronary artery disease, stroke, and cancer, but the list also includes appendicitis, diverticulitis, tooth decay, varicose veins, ulcers, and hemorrhoids. All of these diseases are extremely rare in populations that still eat as their ancestors did for centuries."
http://craphound.com/images/apdiagramremix.jpeg
Why decommission and dismantle?
Sell 'em as "undisclosed locations" to Dick Cheney, John Yoo, Paul Wolfowitz and their ilk!
"...Bev Godwin, the director of online resources and interagency development..."
So we already know how they plan to respond to our complaints about creeping Fascism... :-)
I'll be pasting this wire service shit into my so-called "journal entries", as per usual. I can always automate OCR off of the screen. So what if hyperlinks aren't preserved? Context and reference can be established by the 1 or 2 blokes who are already actually verifying that stuff.
I'm sure that this won't stop Wired News, Cryptogon.com, Cannon Fire or any of the guys like whatreallyhappened.com - who dump a bit of everything undercovered into the mix. But it will slow them - a bit.
Instead of this crappy pseudo-technology, which has been shown to be ineffective in every other application, AP could profitably syndicate with Google, and share ad revenues. AP==content Google==delivery+revenue engine.
Instead, they want to kill the bloggers - not because of business models. Because they no longer gatekeep the message or manage how it is spun.
Great oligarchs own the megaconglomerates behind corporate news. That's not wild-eyed tinfoil hatted craziness, but simple facts from earnings reports. With incipient dictatorship in everywhere from Western Europe, the US, Iran and Israel, and a coming fiscal "crisis" designed to unify world reserve currency, there's a greater need than ever for these "overlords" - and the banks that loaned them their capital - to turn the Weird Wild Web into your 1984 telescreen.
So, they'll try. Soon, it won't be worth switching on the router - cause you'll be tracked like a migratory bird. In the meantime, we'll all still link and scrape. We'll still point out EXACTLY what they are up to.
Proprietary, closed source drivers are the biggest barrier to the perceived capability and adoption of Free Software (tm). If there are Rude Drivers, we need to ensure that these are open-sourced, without binary obfuscation or other proprietary claims made through digital rights restrictions, etc.
Gimme the source for the Rude Drivers!
All of you have responded in a way that reinforces my proposition. :-)
Turns your dick to quicksilver...
Ah! You called him a "douche"!
The waters flowing towards the gates of paradise....
Nineteen Eighty Four
Someday they won't let you
Now you must agree
The times they are a telling
And the changing isn't free
You read it in the tea leaves
And the tracks are on TV
Beware the Savage Jaw
In Nineteen Eighty Four
They'll split your pretty cranium
And fill it full of air
They'll tell you that you're eighty
And really you won't care
You'll be shooting up on everything
Tomorrow's never there
Beware the Savage Jaw
In Nineteen Eighty Four
Yeah.
Hervé Villechaize sensitivity training... :-)
OK
I changed my mind.
I am SO into her new, big arse!
"Gee, more women appear to conform to modern standards of beauty, than at any time in the past!"
Mid 19th century beauty can be deduced by portraiture. The pre-raphaelite stuff from Rosetti does a pretty good job of this:
http://www.rossettiarchive.org/img/s356.repro.jpg
http://www.rossettiarchive.org/img/s536.repro.jpg
They'd have seen Jessica Simpson as a freakishly stretched elf - on the verge of starvation.
Star Trek was propaganda to brainwash a generation in the following:
that increased application of technology was ultimately more humanizing,
that a universal government is naturally the means to reach enlightened aspiration
that a paramilitary mission is romantic and beneficiary to all involved
It's just the British Empire, the East India Company and White-man's Burden - in spandex with lasers.
Entertaining, surely. I wouldn't expose my children to this sort of New World Order rubbish!
I said there was a missing human element - not that I viewed the elevator-operator situation an Ideal - nor that I was an idealist, rather than a realist.
Your response is not organised, and represents poor argument construction.
Ultimately the 'crappy job' is preferable to living on a trash heap, facing starvation - the alternative posed for this 'class' of people in the GP thread.
I was insisting that the possibility for occasional manifestation of humanity between people, made worthwhile the obvious material inequities.
You prefer to interact with machines, rather that be reminded that you have a sympathetic, human response to the plight of others? Out of sight, out of mind. "Man, let 'em all die! Just give me a button to push, so I don't have to be aware of it."
Shorenstein ran a building a few years ago, still with an elevator operator. I wouldn't trade away the couple of pleasantries - heart felt - I had in a couple of short years, for any convenient numbing of my conciousness.
You can't Legislate against Entropy. The Jurisdiction, in which the Second Law of Thermodynamics takes effect, has a compelling and superogatory authority over sovereign British law - like European parliament,
The heat-data will ultimately be dispersed evenly throughout the universe, despite efforts to make a temporal-local phenomenon of reversal or stasis...
In fact, time wounds all heels.
Other than the Silent Movie crack, the elimination of these type of positions has been done not to make a more convenient world for most - but to line the pockets of your trillionaire, super-rich class, at the expense of the livelihood of large segments of the society, and to the detriment of the general humanity of life in the 'modern' age.
Perhaps a machine cocoon life - the logical conclusion of your argument - is your objective? Never meet another person, as long as you live?
Sealed in the robo-cocoon, all your needs met by servile technology. Fluids and solids delivered and extracted from various orifices, in your cyber-slumber. Welcome to the Blue-Pill universe.
"What floor, please?" is an opportunity to interact as a human being, in some small way. The disappearance of this from the world is a little, incremental darkening... a diminution of the real quality of life.
But you do you care about humanity? You can eat Cheetos and fuck a robot.
You were fooled, with every one else, that you live in an age of "progress". The abstracted, technological form of human predation that is this world is no progress.
OK Mr. Malthus.
Murder by numbers,
1,2,3,
It's as easy to do,
As your ABC...
First of all, your assumption that it is stupid people who do simple labour - rather than the socially marginalized - is absurd, offensive and not worthy of deeper critical examination, except by way of devastating the thought.
Your proposition is "Santa Claus" economics - If you have something, it must be because you deserved it and if you are in poverty of opportunity and money? You deserved that, too.
That's how slow genocide has been perpetrated against the native populations of United States, Australia and Southern Africa.
I have had my own shoes shined, and been driven in cabs by people who's bags I am not fit to carry - by means of either their intellect or simple good will and sheer humanity.
But it is clear that valuing humanity would be a difficult conception for you.
Two words: Artificial Flowers. :-)
And that is why the paranoid fantasy of a world run by Lesbian Rapist Robots will never occur.
Christ, is this posted on the wrong site!
Most of the regular girls, Bethanie, Silly Pixie, Queenoftheonering, whoever else... They left (figuratively and literally) to Multiply quite some time ago.
Some of these guys who post journals are married - but for the larger demographic, you have better chances finding a woman in the L.A. Galaxy locker room, trying to get a peek at Beckham's bend.
The rest? Well, I have two words: Joanna Rutkowska.
"I'm a boy, I'm a boy,
But my mom won't admit it
I'm a boy,
But if I say I am,
I get it!"
Pull the other one, there's bells on it!
Every time somebody claims they'll have an artificial brain/mind/intelligence or whatnot, I am tempted to go into either the anti-materialist argument, the unknown complexity argument, or the modeling only observations argument against this folly.
The I remember the problem has a much simpler destructive argument:
I am still waiting for the convincing artificial flower.
That's the computing / data dystopia portrayed by Gibson...
Not for contempt...
Rather for spite.