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Inside the AP's Plan To Security-Wrap Its News Content

suraj.sun writes with an excerpt from this story at Ars Technica that the "Associated Press, reeling from the newspaper apocalypse, has a new plan to 'wrap' and 'protect' its content though a 'digital permissions framework.' The Associated Press last week rolled out its brave new plan to 'apply protective format to news.' The AP's news registry will 'tag and track all AP content online to assure compliance with terms of use,' and it will provide a 'platform for protect, point, and pay.' That's a lot of 'p'-prefaced jargon, but it boils down to a sort of DRM for news — 'enforcement,' in AP-speak."

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  1. I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by devleopard · · Score: 5, Informative

    If it were, then whoever moderated this post would have read the Ars Technica story. The "wrapper" and DRM are nothing but an HTML microformat, which enables categorizing and parsing, but has zilch to do with enforcement.

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    1. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by Freetardo+Jones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You actually expect either the submitter or the editor to read the article instead of just mischaracterizing the story by just making shit up?

    2. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by dltaylor · · Score: 0, Redundant

      The quote is "... manage and control digital use of their content, by providing detailed metrics on content consumption, payment services and enforcement support.", which is Digital Rights Management (DRM).

      The word "enforcement" is in the quote, so how has this "zilch to do with enforcement"?

    3. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by Freetardo+Jones · · Score: 1

      Did you even bother to read the Ars Technica article to see what the GP was talking about?

    4. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

      This has zilch to do with enforcement because the proposal contains no technical method of enforcement. Nothing is encrypted and nothing is protected in any way. The 'system' is basically, AP tags news items and you are on your honor to respect those tags. That's it.

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    5. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by bughunter · · Score: 4, Informative

      FTFA: You'll be forgiven if you find it difficult to square the reality of hNews with the AP's pronouncements about it. Ed Felten, the eminent Princeton computer security researcher, couldn't figure it out, either. [Felten blogs that] "hNews is a handy way of annotating news stories with information about the author, dateline, and so on. But it doesn't 'encapsulate' anything in a 'wrapper,' nor does it do much of anything to facilitate metering, monitoring, or paywalls."

      IOW, zilch to do with enforcement. In fact, it sounds to me like just enough bullshit to make a DMCA circumvention claim in court, or better yet, send out a bunch of threatening letters to bloggers. (How very RIAA of them.)

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    6. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by Eevee · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      No, but I do expect someone complaining about the submitter or editor making shit up to actually have read the story--since what was posted on Slashdot was taken directly from the story.

    7. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by Freetardo+Jones · · Score: 1

      I did read the story which is how I know it's just making shit up. There is no DRM here or enforcement and as such the summary is a complete load of crap.

    8. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by LandDolphin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah,

      God forbid they make money of something they produced.

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    9. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      I'm confused.

      Can't they search for that embedded metadata, locate I've illegally-copied their stories to my website, and then issue a cease-and-desist notice?

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    10. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by droidsURlooking4 · · Score: 0

      I don't care about security news anyway!

    11. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by Korin43 · · Score: 1

      That's not DRM, that's a watermark ;)

    12. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by Draek · · Score: 1

      As always, the problem isn't with them making money, but rather how they deal with those they consider "obstacles" to their business model.

      And abusing DMCA takedown notices ranks pretty high on most of our "worst ways to deal with competition" lists so if they do that, the flamefest that's sure to follow will be completely deserved.

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    13. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by mgblst · · Score: 0, Redundant

      WTF is a microformat? You guys making up words to describe something that already exists and we have been using for years. (Like embedding small snippets of html)

    14. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by physburn · · Score: 1
      As a builder of RSS processing technology, I'm really happy they like RSS snippets. As for the wrapper, I can only hope it contains some proper semantic tagging, for useful stuff, like the location of the event, the subject of the item. etc.

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    15. Re:I thought Slashdot was filled with geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But corporations suck!!!!

  2. Link to the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Associated Press

    The Associated Press Board of Directors today directed The Associated Press to create a news registry that will tag and track all AP content online to assure compliance with terms of use. The system will register key identifying information about each piece of content that AP distributes as well as the terms of use of that content, and employ a built-in beacon to notify AP about how the content is used.

    "What we are building here is a way for good journalism to survive and thrive," said Dean Singleton, chairman of the AP Board of Directors and vice chairman and CEO of MediaNews Group Inc. "The AP news registry will allow our industry to protect its content online, and will assure that we can continue to provide original, independent and authoritative journalism at a time when the world needs it more than ever."

    The registry will initially cover all AP text content online, and be extended to AP member content in early 2010. Eventually, it will be expanded to cover photos and video as well. AP will fund development and operation of the registry through 2010, until it becomes self-sustaining.

    The board announced in April, at its annual meeting, that the Cooperative would launch an industry initiative to protect news content from unauthorized use online. At its meeting today, at AP headquarters, the board voted to approve creation of a news registry that will serve as the foundation of that initiative.

    The registry will employ a microformat for news developed by AP and which was endorsed two weeks ago by the Media Standards Trust, a London-based nonprofit research and development organization that has called on news organizations to adopt consistent news formats for online content. The microformat will essentially encapsulate AP and member content in an informational âoewrapperâ that includes a digital permissions framework that lets publishers specify how their content is to be used online and which also supplies the critical information needed to track and monitor its usage.

    The registry also will enable content owners and publishers to more effectively manage and control digital use of their content, by providing detailed metrics on content consumption, payment services and enforcement support. It will support a variety of payment models, including pay walls.

    In other action, the AP Board also voted to approve rate assessment reductions for broadcast members of the Cooperative. Under the plan, AP will reduce local TV members' basic text assessments by 10 percent in 2010. The amount of rate reduction per station varies depending on the level of services received. At its annual meeting in April, The Associated Press announced assessment reductions for member newspapers, the second year rates were reduced. AP member radio rates were adjusted several years ago to include added discounts, day-part service options and barter pricing.

    About The AP
    The Associated Press is the essential global news network, delivering fast, unbiased news from every corner of the world to all media platforms and formats. Founded in 1846, AP today is the largest and most trusted source of independent news and information. On any given day, more than half the worldâ(TM)s population sees news from AP.

    1. Re:Link to the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha Ha ... sorry, can't stop laughing ... they call it Journalism! It is not Journalism. Where is the investigation? All they do is repeat what they are told. They are repeaters, not journalists.

    2. Re:Link to the article by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

      About The AP The Associated Press is the essential global news network, delivering fast, unbiased news...

      Mod +1 Funny.

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    3. Re:Link to the article by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

      In other news today, anonymous sources at the popular nerd news aggregator Slashdot claim that AP are not journalists because they do not investigate and simply repeat what they are told.

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    4. Re:Link to the article by gomezfreak · · Score: 1

      This is essentially what they do. What is sad, is that the fact that it's true, and that is what makes it so damn funny.

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    5. Re:Link to the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you had access to the wires (subscription to the AP is required, and costs money), you'd see a length article. News outlets often edit them down to fit their format/ organization - blame them.

    6. Re:Link to the article by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      Yes! Yes, we are all journalists!

      I'm not.

    7. Re:Link to the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is claiming to be a journalist? News Aggregation is fine, but it is not journalism ... nor is AP or Reuters or BBC or Sky News. Where are their Journalists these days? Oh, I know, they are all hitching lifts on Israeli tanks, and US Hum-vees.

  3. does this also mean they are gonna go back by wardk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    to being real journalists? are they just trying to protect the nonsense half-ass poorly written claptrap they currently pawn off as news?

    1. Re:does this also mean they are gonna go back by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Gawd, that's funny!

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  4. An alternate interpretation of their infographic by ReverendLoki · · Score: 5, Funny

    I rather like this alternate interpretation of the infographic the AP used to explain their new scheme. Found via BoingBoing.

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  6. That sound you just heard by nurb432 · · Score: 0

    Was the sound of them becoming irrelevant and being left behind.

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    1. Re:That sound you just heard by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      There is a difference between being out in the cold from a technological perspective and being irrelevant. Professional news gathering is very relevant to me, even if I have to apply my own filters to it. What are the alternatives? Blogging? "Social Media"? Please.

      Or are you implying that information about current events itself is no longer relevant? If so, I would say that process started when syndicated sit-com re-runs started competing with network evening news broadcasts, giving people who would rather be entertained than informed more and more options.

    2. Re:That sound you just heard by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      AP hasn't been a "professional news gathering service" for a long time. They turned into a bunch of biased 'editorialists' decades ago.

      And now they want to restrict access to their drivel? Cya..

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  7. Apostrophe Overload by iamapizza · · Score: 1

    Just in case anyone's not interested, that post contains '18' single quotes, possibly a new record. I keep envisioning an imaginary hand lifting to do the quotes gesture everytime I see one of those, and TFP disturbed me quite a lot. I feel that a lot of it could have been said without the excessive single quotes around every other word, especially when it came to p-prefaced, which could have been written as-is. Thank you.

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    1. Re:Apostrophe Overload by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      Just for you
      Unnecessary Quotations
      Enjoy

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    2. Re:Apostrophe Overload by Anonymous+CowHardon · · Score: 0

      When I read "'wrap' and 'protect' its content" I assumed it had something to do with condoms.

    3. Re:Apostrophe Overload by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      They weren't just single quotes. It was a secretly embedded message from Woodstock.

  8. From the Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> In what way does this scheme "wrap" and "protect" the news? It doesn't; it simply marks it up, and adding tags expressing a content creator's wishes on reuse has no bearing on someone's rights under US copyright law.

    Misleading summary

  9. Pointless by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, Bridis replied. "What I'm talking about, and what has really riled up our internal copyright folks, are the bloggers who take, just paste an entire 800 word story into their blog. They don't even comment on it. And it happens way more than most people realize."

    If that happens way more than people realize, then people are unaware of these sites. If people are unaware of these sites, then they don't visit them, in which case they cannot be competition to the AP.

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    1. Re:Pointless by johnsonav · · Score: 1

      If that happens way more than people realize, then people are unaware of these sites.

      Do you have some magical "spider-sense" which allows you to determine that what you are reading hasn't been copy-pasted from an AP story?

      It's almost as if the guy was implying that most people don't have such a super-power...

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    2. Re:Pointless by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 1

      Bridis just described exactly how the network news channels work too! Only in the case of CNN and Fox News they have ass-kicking graphics with Dolby 5.1.

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    3. Re:Pointless by blueskies · · Score: 1

      Are you telling me supergrrl actually wasn't over in Iraq writing about her personal experience with the latest road side bomb? Damn, you're right. You do need a super-power to realize it!!!

    4. Re:Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and big shiny touch screens.. don't forget those!...

      oh, and guys with beards.... guys with beards are Awesome!...

    5. Re:Pointless by johnsonav · · Score: 1

      Are you telling me supergrrl actually wasn't over in Iraq writing about her personal experience with the latest road side bomb? Damn, you're right. You do need a super-power to realize it!!!

      See, there's your problem. Supergirl was DC. Everybody knows only Marvel super heroes really exist.

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    6. Re:Pointless by InverseParadox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If that happens way more than people realize, then people are unaware of these sites. If people are unaware of these sites, then they don't visit them, in which case they cannot be competition to the AP.

      Not necessarily.

      In order for someone to realize that that has happened, they need to both see the story on the blog and see the story attributed to the AP. I don't find it particularly implausible that many or most people reading such a blog might not read the AP directly; I'm not positive I've ever read a story directly from the AP, as opposed to a citation of an AP story by someone else. (A case where their prominence works against them; many people (and more news organizations) cite AP reports in their own stories, but few people - other than those doing the citing - seem to feel the need to read the originals.)

      If most people see the story in only one place, then most people won't realize that the story is being copied wholesale. If the one place where they see the story is the AP and they don't visit the blogs, that's fine; if the one place where they see the story is the blog and they don't visit the AP, then that's not so fine. The argument would be that the latter is what is happening.

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    7. Re:Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, I bet you can make diamonds by putting charcoal in your butt.
      Yes, logically it's a fallacy, but he's just saying whatever ("more than you realize") amount happens in excess of "realization" has no impact.
      However, I suspect you are one of those who scurry around finding the exception to the rule to prove yourself correct.
      Just some advice ... get a life. Geez.

    8. Re:Pointless by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      Further, today plenty of people are going to trust the blog from Random Joe more than they trust the Picayune Times or some other random ad-laden newspaper web site. So if Random Joe is copying and pasting articles from the Chicago Tribune or the LA Times into his blog there are people that will never notice this because they aren't going to the Chicago Tribune, LA Times or even the Picayune Times web site. Ever. Because they are part of the "corporate media conspiracy".

      Of course, all of Random Joe's content is coming from "corporate media conspiracy" web sites.

      Google's role in this is it can be used to show me 10 places to read a story with the headline "Man Bites Dog" and if the first nine of these are sites that I distrust and believe are part of the "corporate media conspiracy" I'm not going to go to any of those sites. Instead, Google shows me that Random Joe has pretty much the same story with Random Joe's ads wrapped around it. I'm happy because now I am able to view the news without that nasty bias from the "corporate media conspiracy".

      Guess what? Random Joe is never going to get his hand slapped for copyright violation but will indeed end up putting AP out of business in the end. And anyone following the paragraph above is a delusional idiot. But that is how the Internet works today.

    9. Re:Pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that CNN and all other *legitimate* (this does not mean you have to like or agree with the news they broadcast or their individual spins on the story) news sources actually PAY the AP for the right to use their stories. After all, they have to pay their reporters and preferably make a bit of money in the process as well. Everyone needs to eat, morons.

    10. Re:Pointless by Dragoness+Eclectic · · Score: 1

      It's the "Times-Picayune", and like most local newspaper sites, it's pretty reliable about local news.

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  10. Re:Your services are no longer needed by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

    Sorry AP,

    In an age when everyone carries an internet-enabled phone with a camera, you just aren't needed.

    We're not sure who your replacement will be. But it won't be you.

    It sure as hell won't be everyone and their internet-enabled phone.

    Ugh. You just made paying for news much more appealing.

  11. Not again by jerep · · Score: 1, Redundant

    When will money-hungry people get a clue and realise more protection wont save your content from being copied. You dont lose money if your content is copied, as most people will still pay if they feel its worth the price for they want original quality content. Its not like we're stealing a car, because the content is still yours. You cant complain about losing viewers either, as if your content was good enough in the first place, people would stay with you, and your extra protection schemes just make a lot of people go to other sources for equivalent free content.

    Information is meant to be free, if you think money is incentive for creating it, then what about the entire open source community and millions of free webpages? Why do these companies need big marketing and protection to get their content through, cant they let the product speak on its own?

    The more control you try to get, and the less you end up with. I bet this new security wrapper will be hacked in minutes.

    1. Re:Not again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First people bitched about newspapers becoming redundant because it's all 'recycled stuff from the AP'. Well, what happens when the AP is gone? I guess we'll be left with talking heads regurgitating the news.

      AP is a news gathering service. Sometimes they swindle regular Joe for a free photo/ video/ article, but most AP submitters are freelancers working to gather news full-time. As a former news-gatherer (didn't make enough money to cover my business insurance) - I'll gather stuff for free once my bills and housing become free too. If I had a cushy CS job during the day and did news-gathering at night, yea, I'd give AP my stuff for free.

      Hell, even getting a copy of court transcripts require a small fee; a FOIA request, etc. Information shouldn't be censored, but I don't think charging $0.75 cents is unreasonably prohibitive that it could be considered 'elitist' or censorship.

      Information, in my opinion, has always been out there for "free," but the problem you see, who wants to take their time to get them? Who wants to spend the hours between 9:30a-5:30p every Tue and Thur in city hall listening to council people debate? Journalists are there to distill information, and with the help of the editor decide what's relevant to people. Unfortunately what people "demand" these days often overrule the editor - i.e. Michael Jackson's death 'conspiracy.'

      I think in the end whatever the AP bigwigs decide, or what the netizen thinks what should be "free," the people in the frontlines gathering news will still be fucked.

    2. Re:Not again by cdrguru · · Score: 1

      When will money-hungry people get a clue and realise more protection wont save your content from being copied. You dont lose money if your content is copied, as most people will still pay if they feel its worth the price for they want original quality content.

      Huh? People aren't paying in droves. If something is available for free, it is free as in nobody will ever pay again unless they are uninformed. Uninformed people are keeping the music and movie business going today.

      Free will always win out in the end.

    3. Re:Not again by grcumb · · Score: 1

      Information is meant to be free, if you think money is incentive for creating it, then what about the entire open source community and millions of free webpages?

      A nitpick, but in the time-honoured slashdot tradition, an important one:

      The original quote is that 'Information wants to be free. Here's the fuller context:

      On the one hand information wants to be expensive, because it's so valuable. The right information in the right place just changes your life. On the other hand, information wants to be free, because the cost of getting it out is getting lower and lower all the time. So you have these two fighting against each other.

      That fight is not over by any means. Information is not yet meant to be free. Society (and economics in particular) still has to come to terms with what that means in practical terms. The FOSS movement and various other anarcho-technological philosophies are as often responses to the first desire as anything else. RMS and others have stated before that their actions are in response to the others' tendency to see ideas (and even implementations of those ideas) as belonging to them. If the former didn't exist, the latter wouldn't have to.

      The whole issue of Droits d'Auteur - the Enlightenment concept of authors' moral rights over their creations - is an unresolved question. Even copyright was an uneasy (and increasingly untenable) accommodation of an idea that does not ultimately benefit society. Unfortunately, measures such as the one that AP has just announced take the discussion in the wrong direction. Their entire approach is predicated on the existence of authors' rights and on their transferability.

      Without author's rights, people can't create economies of scarcity. Without transferable rights, the distributors (AP, *AA et alia) have no business model.

      Until we begin to cogently and coherently question those two basic assumptions, the dialectic between information freedom and so-called Intellectual Property will be conducted between law-makers and law-breakers. That's very difficult moral (and ethical and legal) territory.

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    4. Re:Not again by jerep · · Score: 1

      what i mean is, even though you can download mp3s for free, on any kind of decent speakers you can notice the difference with CDs. Even though you can download movies in xvid or divx with ac3, you can notice a difference with DVDs or BR.

      Same applies to content, if you're the original publisher, people will come back to you for more of that content, as you will always have it first.

    5. Re:Not again by jerep · · Score: 1

      Without author's rights, people can't create economies of scarcity.

      Exactly, and how many of these forged scarcities do you think exists as of now?

      I for myself dont believe in intellectual property, patents, scarcity, or copyrights. I dont care who invented what, as long as it works, and if someone else wants to try and improve the design, i can only be thankful for it.

      What I do hope to see before I die is an open society, where money has no value whatsoever, control is delegated without any real power at any level, and where everyone can contribute anywhere and get documentation about everything.

      Open source software is already developped that way (minus monetary contributions and donations, which are merely 'hacks' to let this model live in our current system) and its quite a productive and successful model. Most of the internet is powered off by such software now. Just try and imagine if every resource on this planet was managed in such a way, we'd be exploring outer space within 15 years, we have the manpower and resources to, just not the system for it.

      I may be a dreamer, but I'm not the only one!

    6. Re:Not again by GofG · · Score: 1

      ...where are YOU downloading your mp3s? Without thousands of dollars of audio equipment, one cannot tell the difference between a v0 mp3 file (a rather high quailty mp3 file, true, but also the most common pirated music file to date) and an audio file losslessly ripped from a CD. Similarly, with movies, you have a huge variety of choice in the quality of the movie you're getting. You can go for the 700mb "single cd" xvid, or the 3.5 GB bluray rip xvid, or the 8 GB lossless dvd rip, etc. All for free.

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    7. Re:Not again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what i mean is, even though you can download mp3s for free, on any kind of decent speakers you can notice the difference with CDs.

      More flacs are showing up these days. No quality loss at all, 3Gb typical download size for a complete discography of about 10 albums. CDs are nice to have, but they take up space. Legal downloads are (mostly) lossy.

    8. Re:Not again by jerep · · Score: 1

      I do have such audio equipment, differences are especially noticeable in bass and treble, they're much clearer. I also teach guitar here and there and I tend to notice people who listens to CDs usually have a better memory of music and note recognition than those only having mp3 or low quality audio equipments. They're so used to the little distortions and artifacts created by compression that they think it is what music really sounds like.

  12. P-prefaced jargon you say...? by comm2k · · Score: 0

    That's a lot of 'p'-prefaced jargon

    I can only imagine how it went at AP HQ:
    AP CEO: Now, before we adjourn, gentlemen, I have one last matter of utmost importance. I need to protect this precious piece of news from the perils of the interwebs or else our business model from the past will fail - anyone who wants it absolutely, positively _has_ to properly pay per line for it!

    1. Re:P-prefaced jargon you say...? by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps they're paranoid that the profits of the past will be plundered by pilferous and plagiarizing pirates.

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    2. Re:P-prefaced jargon you say...? by pbhj · · Score: 1

      P-prefaced punchy prose persistently proffers persuasive points, periodically proving ... er, funny.

  13. Re:Your services are no longer needed by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yea right after we get the paperless office.
    Hey I am all for blogging and the idea of the citizen reporter but they supplement not replace professionals.
    Of course at least on TV I don't think the professionals are what they used to be but then I might just being an old fuddy duddy and seeing the past in rose colored glasses.

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  14. Re:Your services are no longer needed by kheldan · · Score: 1

    ..so you mean that we should all start crusing YouTube for our news content?

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  15. As a former newspaper IT guy... by Vandil+X · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...I find this move interesting and sad.

    AP's wire stories used to be delivered using arcane satellite-to-modem-to-serial solutions that functioned pretty faithfully unless you got snow/ice on your satellite dish on the roof.

    Then the AP switched to a web-based delivery method which was a hardware improvement, but a Sarbanes-Oxley nightmare along with website/Internet outage issues and other new hijinks that were all new issues that made this web-based solution worse than the arcane solution it replaced.

    Now they've gone further down the dark path with DRM.... just sounds like more fun for newspaper IT guys.

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  17. Has DRM in any form ever actually worked? by electricprof · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I recall the early days of development, sales and distribution for PC software. A bunch of different anti-piracy methods were pursued, we all heard about the enormous amounts of money being lost to piracy, etc. In the end all these approaches really did was piss off the legitimate users and make the software less attractive. It's not exactly clear to me if the software industry really has any effective DRM system now, although they seem to have some things that look they are trying to protect themselves. I suspect the media industry will go through a similar evolution ... kicking, screaming and whining all the way.

    1. Re:Has DRM in any form ever actually worked? by Freetardo+Jones · · Score: 1

      This isn't DRM. It's some html tags that do all of jack and shit.

    2. Re:Has DRM in any form ever actually worked? by electricprof · · Score: 1

      I agree. I do realize that this isn't DRM, but it's also clear that the media providers, music, video, news, etc. are trying to find some kind of DRM solution. My musing is mainly about whether the history of the software industry shows us that DRM and it's variations simply don't work.

    3. Re:Has DRM in any form ever actually worked? by jerep · · Score: 2, Funny

      It was successful in pissing the hell out of me.

  18. The AP Has No Clue What They're Doing by vertigoCiel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, if you can't be bothered to RTFA, the AP obviously has no idea what they're talking about. Some snake oil salesman came along and told them that Microformats are magic digital beans that will protect their content with some sort of "tracking beacon" that will phone home and prevent infringement.

    This is so cluelessly ridiculous that I can't decide if it's hilarious or just sad.

    1. Re:The AP Has No Clue What They're Doing by wytcld · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's why it's so important that our access to AP content must continue unrestricted. Where else can be get so many articles by so many writers who have no idea what they're talking about?

      With blogs, we generally visit those where we already know the level of "idea what they're talking about" from past reading or reputation. But the AP is an outfit that slaps its trademark across writing of such uneven levels of "idea what they're talking about" that reading them becomes a constantly-entertaining puzzle for each article: "Can you spot everything that's wrong with this picture?"

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  19. Re:Your services are no longer needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ugh, please do not clump print journalists with tv "news" personalities, where half their job is applying makeup.

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  21. PNGs and GIFs Anyone? by Maltheus · · Score: 1

    If it's even worth linking too, people can just convert the stories to images. Let the workaround games begin!

    1. Re:PNGs and GIFs Anyone? by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      Or, you could just ignore it, which is what browsers and search engines do anyway with unrecognized markup.

  22. Re:fp by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll be pasting this wire service shit into my so-called "journal entries", as per usual. I can always automate OCR off of the screen. So what if hyperlinks aren't preserved? Context and reference can be established by the 1 or 2 blokes who are already actually verifying that stuff.

    I'm sure that this won't stop Wired News, Cryptogon.com, Cannon Fire or any of the guys like whatreallyhappened.com - who dump a bit of everything undercovered into the mix. But it will slow them - a bit.

    Instead of this crappy pseudo-technology, which has been shown to be ineffective in every other application, AP could profitably syndicate with Google, and share ad revenues. AP==content Google==delivery+revenue engine.

    Instead, they want to kill the bloggers - not because of business models. Because they no longer gatekeep the message or manage how it is spun.

    Great oligarchs own the megaconglomerates behind corporate news. That's not wild-eyed tinfoil hatted craziness, but simple facts from earnings reports. With incipient dictatorship in everywhere from Western Europe, the US, Iran and Israel, and a coming fiscal "crisis" designed to unify world reserve currency, there's a greater need than ever for these "overlords" - and the banks that loaned them their capital - to turn the Weird Wild Web into your 1984 telescreen.

    So, they'll try. Soon, it won't be worth switching on the router - cause you'll be tracked like a migratory bird. In the meantime, we'll all still link and scrape. We'll still point out EXACTLY what they are up to.

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  23. Re:Your services are no longer needed by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    I was thinking of Walter Cronkite and Harry Reasoner both of which I feel where true journalists.

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  24. Re:Your services are no longer needed by blueskies · · Score: 1

    You make the assumption that there are any professionals to replace.

  25. Get this whining to stop. by migla · · Score: 1, Troll

    Let's just get together and buy AP and fund them, and as their new owners, let the news be free. Like for example BBC is financed, but with all rich countries peoples that have an interest in journalists running around the world finding stuff out and reporting on it.

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    1. Re:Get this whining to stop. by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      So, maybe we aren't all rich, should I just send them a small check every time I read their story? And since they are doing a good job and the only thing I want to change is making the news free, I won't replace any current management. In fact no personnel changes are to be done, we will just give them money and they will be happy giving things to us for free.

      Is this what you had in mind?

    2. Re:Get this whining to stop. by migla · · Score: 1

      "we will just give them money and they will be happy giving things to us for free.

      Is this what you had in mind?"

      Basically, yes. Rich nations in the west could chip in to keep AP running. No need to sell information for a profit. It would be a little bit of international socialism, I guess.

      I don't think this is very feasible, but I think it would be nice.

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  26. Why is this tagged "republican" by tjstork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Republicans are farmers, miners and oil drillers and then small business owners at the core. There are plenty of rank and file Republicans who would just as soon let IP laws fall by the wayside because liberals are so concentrated in businesses that benefit from copyright laws.

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    1. Re:Why is this tagged "republican" by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      Sorry, whatever the whole of their base is, both parties cater to copyright cartels.

      Don't tell me that Republicans aren't involved with catering to copyright cartels. Have you heard of the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act? Sonny Bono was a Republican and it was named after him. It passed when there was a Republican majority in both houses. The DMCA was passed when by the same Congress, again, when Republicans ran both houses of Congress. If the Republican party didn't want it, they wouldn't have passed it.

      I'm not letting the Democratic party off this one (Pres. Clinton signed both bills), otherwise probably the subject of a different post some other day, I just couldn't let you pretend that Republicans have nothing to do with the copyright mess.

    2. Re:Why is this tagged "republican" by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      Well, yes. On the other hand, the only publications that are actually behind paywalls are Conservative mainstays like the Wall Street Journal.

      Are there any counterexamples?

    3. Re:Why is this tagged "republican" by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      Republicans are farmers

      LOL,

      miners

      More LOL

      and oil drillers

      ROTFL and then

      small business owners at the core.

      LOLOL ROTFL
      wipes tears from eyes
      Please stop. I haven't laughed this much since watching American Pie 2 for the first time.
      Oh, God. Tell me you meant this as a joke. Please.

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  27. Wikinews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess Wikinews is about to get a lot more popular. Maybe it could be an eventual replacement for AP?

  28. I wonder what AP's replacement will look like? by kawabago · · Score: 1

    Will it be everyone everywhere reporting everything they see all the time? That would give an interesting bent to coverage.

    1. Re:I wonder what AP's replacement will look like? by bertoelcon · · Score: 1

      See: Twitter

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  29. Yay by alexborges · · Score: 1

    Great way to disapear AP. I, for one, Im glad that youve taken this step towards the future where we, the digicrowd, control de shebang.

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    1. Re:Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! First of all, I thought of writing "Yay" first. You have stolen my intellectual property, and I am wronged. Send me $10 and we'll call it even.
      --------
      Two: In general, it is ironic and funny to think that an organization whose job it is to deliver information to people is now working against their own core purpose.

  30. I actually want something like this -- but for PII by schwaang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know it sounds nuts, but I actually want a system like this for personally identifiable information (PII).

    If a business has my PII in their records, I want them to tag it with meta-data on how it was collected and what rights *they* have to use/share it. It's not any more enforceable than any other DRM scheme, but it would help to implement privacy policies, which is good for the consumer. And it would help to limit secondary uses of PII which is also good for the businesses that make money by collecting PII.

    I'm wanting meta-data with terms like "this was collected with NO permission to re-distribute", or "this was collected with a promise to delete after 6 months", etc.

  31. great. by Nerrd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now we'll only be able to read the news through a DRM-114 Confabulator.

    1. Re:great. by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

      hopefully they dont send us attack plan R

        nice Kubrick reference there... nice indeed.

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  32. Re:Your services are no longer needed by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Professionals? Clearly you've not paid attention to the news industry. Yellow Journalism is a requirement now.

  33. something like scribd? by solweil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's going to be at least as annoying as scribd, isn't it? Some sort of annoying flash thing that keeps people from copying text? Maybe the efforts of those captcha hackers can be redirected.

  34. Re:Your services are no longer needed by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

    Breaking a story and reporting are not the same thing. Obviously, the vast majority of news stories are "broken" by eyewitnesses who are rarely journalists. That's not reporting.

  35. This is more worrying by Obispus · · Score: 3, Insightful
    From the Ars Technica article:

    Down the road, of course, the AP might go to Congress and ask that whatever tracking and rights system it settles on be given the force of law. It's not as crazy as it sounds; European publishers already hope to get a law enforcing the Automated Content Access Protocol.

    If content providers get the ability to enforce moronic schemes like this one, many people may find themselves in the receiving end of lawsuits--even some who just followed older fair-use provisions.

  36. AP wants free money "because I'm worth it" by David+Gerard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    AP has asked the Government to examine Google News and other content aggregators, claiming they contribute insufficiently to their income.

    "The newspapers put their content up on the web for free and then Google, the freeloading bastards, tell people where to find it. We told them to pay up or stop using our stuff, and they said OK, they'd stop using our stuff! We need the Government to bring back balance, 'balance' defined as being able to make them give us money because we want it. You'd think the Internet wasn't invented to give news publishers and record companies free money!"

    The AP argues that traffic from search engines does not make up the cost of producing the content. "Ad revenue has collapsed, so search engine traffic doesn't bring in enough views to pay for itself. Our inability to sell ads is clearly Google's problem."

    The AP suggests the exploration of new models that "require fair acknowledgement of the value that our content creates, both on our own site through DRM and lawsuits and 'at the edges' in the world of search and aggregation. Basically, they should just give us money because we want it. And the music industry too. How about a bailout? Go on, gi's it."

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  37. Re:I actually want something like this -- but for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "this was collected with a promise to delete after 6 months"

    We'll keep it for now and check back later... We'll keep it for now and check back later...

  38. Re:Your services are no longer needed by commodore64_love · · Score: 0

    >>>That's not reporting.

    Right. We need reporters to take the eyewitness newsgatherings, chop them into little bits so they can be distorted, and then explain why this event requires yet another layer of bureacracy added to our government.

    If you don't know what I mean, watch Babylon 5's "The Illusion of Truth" where a reporter manages to take the stars of the show, and twist-around events to make them look like an out-of-control mob needing government to fix the mess.

    Anyway.....

    Megacorporate reporters, for whatever reason, are biased towards more-and-more government. The idea that we need LESS government is never proposed on the evening news. I say we take-away their power to present only this slanted viewpoint, and give reporting back to the common man via websites. At least that way we can hear both sides of the story.

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  39. Great plan there AP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, your own XML schema constitutes a solid DRM system? Reminds me of a clip from Family Guy:

    Brian (at the Quahog county trailer park): You're really going to take back donated presents on Christmas Eve?
    Peter: Yep, now here's the plan: You'll enter through the air contitioning duct here. Now there'll be an invisible laser grid three inches from the floor, so you'll have to compress your body to the size of an ordinary household sponge and slide underneath like some kind of weird amphibious dolphin.
    Brian: Can I buy some pot from you?

  40. Re:Your services are no longer needed by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    Yea it pretty much sucks but it is still better than most of what you find on the Internet. The problem with the Internet is that most people will find some website that will reinforce their view of the world. They will then think that it is unbiased because for most people they assume anything they don't agree with is unbiased because they are very sure that they are fair and even handed.
    Take a look at what gets posted in Slashdot for goodness sake.

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  41. AP unbiased? by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "About The AP The Associated Press is the essential global news network, delivering fast, unbiased news from every corner of the world ....

    Written by AP no doubt. Someone should show this to their editors, AP has been carrying Republican water for years.

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  42. DRM by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    protect, point, and pray...Might work. Reading screen shots really sucks

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  43. Re:Your services are no longer needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're absolutely right, the same is that Journalism has gotten WAAAAY lazy. what passes for journalism these days is hardly better than amateur blogging. its rare to find real investigative in depth _unsensationalized_ journalism anymore. the closest you get on the radio is NPR and for as much as i like it, NPR can be pretty biased at times. on the TV you have Dateline going around Punking Pedophiles but thats largely sensationalized and then theres the Daily Show, which isnt so much journalism as exposing hypocrisy in the media and politics. its a damn shame. for the most part the stupp i see from the AP often trying to hard to be first its just flat wrong. Anecdotally, i have the APs iPhone app (i'm a news junkie) and as a "feature" it will text you any major breaking news. i got a message yesterday saying "Judge Sonya Sotomayer Confirmed as US First Hispanic Justice" yeah... either they employ prophets or are smokin peyote.

  44. Re:I actually want something like this -- but for by MeatBag+PussRocket · · Score: 1

    Holy crap, thats ingeious! its like a EULA for your own work! i want mine to say by reading this content the boss has consented to an anual 30% raise and a binding labor agreement requiring no more than 20 hours of work and permitting no more than 50. nobody reads the EULA.hell... it should also stipulate a week in vegas with the bosses daughter, just for good measure... assuming shes hot.

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  45. Robot Scrapers by ThrowAwaySociety · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This has zilch to do with enforcement because the proposal contains no technical method of enforcement.

    Not technical, no. Their big enforcement plan is...lawyers!

    See, the AP is convinced that its Public Enemy Number 1 is robot scrapers. You know them...cruddy sites that blindly copy the HTML from legitimate news sites and archive them, in the hopes that someday, when the stories have long since fallen off the CNN.com and nytimes.com headline pages, someone from a search engine will stumble across the story and click on an add, thereby generating revenue. Like the ones that copy Wikipedia articles and add advertisements.

    The plan is to basically embed some sort of web bug in the HTML, which will help AP identify the scrapers, which will allow them to file an honest lawsuit, in which the infringing scraper will show up in court, hat in hand, and beg forgiveness.

    This is sad for several reasons.

    1. The AP believes that these scrapers are actually a serious threat to the AP's revenue stream.
    2. The AP believes that the people who run these scrapers won't be able to strip their tracking bugs out
    3. The AP believes that it'll be able to find and sue the operators and make them stop, instead of just driving them into jurisdictions that don't care.
    4. The AP is confusing these scrapers with legitimate aggregators, like Google News, and legitimate bloggers, and thus making lots of enemies

    1. Re:Robot Scrapers by Bat+Country · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You have perhaps not considered the possibility that the plan is actually to lobby for the new DMCA exemption guidelines for this year to include language which prohibits people from circumventing their new protection. They could ask for this under the grounds that it's necessary to protect the cultural "treasure" that is the national press.

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    2. Re:Robot Scrapers by grcumb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The plan is to basically embed some sort of web bug in the HTML, which will help AP identify the scrapers, which will allow them to file an honest lawsuit, in which the infringing scraper will show up in court, hat in hand, and beg forgiveness.

      This is sad for several reasons.

      1. The AP believes that these scrapers are actually a serious threat to the AP's revenue stream.
      2. The AP believes that the people who run these scrapers won't be able to strip their tracking bugs out
      3. The AP believes that it'll be able to find and sue the operators and make them stop, instead of just driving them into jurisdictions that don't care.
      4. The AP is confusing these scrapers with legitimate aggregators, like Google News, and legitimate bloggers, and thus making lots of enemies

      I think you're wrong on the last count. I think they are thinking primarily of 'legitimate' aggregators. I think their entire plan is predicated on being able to coerce large search engines to comply with their rules of behaviour with regards to their material.

      I agree that this is technically naive and suicidal as a business tactic. Even if the large search engines agree to whatever conditions are put on the use of the content, they'll only do so to the extent that playing nice serves their needs. The only leverage AP would have in case of non-adherence to their rules is the suicide option - cutting off access to their own content.

      But vested interests the world over have demonstrated their capacity for self-inflicted damage and, more to the point, their ability to damage others on their way down.

      Count on a large-scale political push to 'protect their rights' - and to enumerate those rights in the most profit-making way possible, even if that means trashing fair use entirely.

      Count as well on Google, Microsoft and whoever else is running a top-tier US-based search engine to compromise themselves (and their service) in order to avoid getting kicked out of the boys' club that is the American corporate establishment.

      And count on the anarcho-geeks of the world to have the entire process deconstructed, reverse-engineered and made a mockery of within about 4 days, too. They will be litigated and even prosecuted for their pains.

      The net result will be that AP's demise will be delayed by a few months, and the development of a robust, gift-based online economy will be delayed by some multiple of that.

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  46. Re:Your services are no longer needed by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I got skeptical with the anti-government rant and quit when you cited a fictional sci-fi television show for "evidence". Note in my original comment that I mentioned applying my own filter even to professionally gathered news.

    All human communication is vulnerable to bias. As a mature adult, I recognize this and make the appropriate adjustments to my credulity. Professional news is, in a sense, the devil we know. We know it is biased towards the governmental and corporate status quo. That is an easy bias to correct for when reading the news.

    Eyewitnesses about whom we know nothing WRT their agenda or credibility are hardly a more reliable source.

  47. Re:I actually want something like this -- but for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    the functionality already exists
    its called P3P from the w3c, it is specified in your headers on every request and specifies what the company who is setting the cookie does with your information
    http://www.w3.org/P3P/

    in IE8 > safety > web page privacy policy

    Firefox supports P3P policies but its a convoluted setup and is well hidden from the user (why?)
    http://mozilla.gunnars.net/firefox_help_firefox_cookie_tutorial.html#Advanced_Cookie_options

  48. Can this be used to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    filter out AP articles more easily. I typically do a search using google news such as "site:wsj.com -AP" in order to filter out all the crap AP articles. I hope they succeed in restricting their "news" as that's just less filtering I have to do to read the real news.

    BS

  49. Wishful Thinking by daemonburrito · · Score: 4, Informative

    You've got to be kidding. Was that just a gut feeling? Have you ever heard a Republican say anything of the sort?

    Maybe you should email members of your delegation and ask. I did, and I can assure you that Republicans from my state are wholly dedicated to "Protecting America's Intellectual Property and Competitiveness(tm)". The ranking member and former chair of the House committee charged with overseeing IP (the Judiciary Committee), Lamar Smith, is one of the strongest allies the IP cartels have ever known. Additionally, in his position he's protected the corrupt the Eastern District of Texas.

    The IP debate is still far too esoteric for members of either party to be shamed into saying "no" to the cartels.

    Oh, and this is interesting: do a whois for 143.231.249.141 and look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lamar_S._Smith&action=history. Self-editing from a House.gov network. Stay classy, Lamar.

    1. Re:Wishful Thinking by tjstork · · Score: 0

      You've got to be kidding. Was that just a gut feeling? Have you ever heard a Republican say anything of the sort?

      There are those of us Republicans, and we are certainly a minority, for sure, that think we need to go beyond the Reagan revolution and define policy in terms of our values as relevant towards today, and not just have policy for the sake of being like it was 1980.

      Politically, the immediate problem is bringing Reagan Democrats back and the answer to me is to move to the center on trade and drop the hostility to unions. But, another issue that comes up is IP.

      Actually a lot of Republicans I've talked to tend to see things more my way. In the very least, the idea of either taxing IP or deregulating it to screw liberals has some appeal. I got a good chunk of hits from the old freeper when I posted an essay advocating that intellectual property be taxed to balance the economy away from liberal industries and also pay for liberal spending programs. http://www.treatyist.com/issue1/taxingliberalsfairly.aspx Check it out if you like...

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    2. Re:Wishful Thinking by daemonburrito · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I read your comment as implicitly granting that there is no meaningful partisan divide regarding IP law.

      Terms like "minority" and "a lot" are not going to serve us well. The generalizations you made are also not helpful, imho. Nearly all federal legislators support laws like the DMCA. I am also of a "minority" view in the Democratic party.

      Regarding your essay, I must say that I find your hostility towards "liberals" disconcerting. I am a small business owner and a "liberal", if you feel you must use that term; specifically, I believe in shared responsibility for the well-being of society, and the government fulfillment of the general welfare clause. And no, I don't have horns, a shrine to Karl Marx, or connections to Hollywood of any kind.

      Just as an example: I, and many others, think that employer-based health care has been a disaster for small business; I would much rather pay individual income tax into a government trust fund (which have an excellent track record, in spite of the misinformation) and have a healthy society along with freeing up giant bags of money for other purposes. I really can't see how that would make a liberal anti-small-business. It is time for the Republican party's claim on small business to end. The Chamber doesn't speak for me.

      I have never even considered going after a "conservative" industry, as I don't even know what that would be. If you agree with your fellow Republicans on lower taxation, but support new taxes when they would benefit your party, then "inconsistent" would be the polite way to describe your position. And those who "see things more [your] way" have accepted a flawed thesis from you. To think that Democrats oppose IP reform because of Hollywood fundraising is convoluted, as there is much simpler explanation: Both parties respond to lobbying from the IP cartels (a much broader coalition than merely Hollywood), and the payment is direct. Both parties would be punished equally for trying to reform IP law.

      Btw, the last effort to reform the DMCA was introduced by a Democrat in the 109th, and acquired a Republican co-sponsor in the 110th: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAIR_USE_Act

      There are more important things than partisan points. I can see that this war against liberals is kind of your raison d'etre, but I really think that your rhetorical skills could better be applied somewhere else.

      Not a flame, and btw, I wish you the best of luck in moderating your party's attitude towards unions.

    3. Re:Wishful Thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference between republicans and republican politicians, though.

      IMO this gap is somewhat larger than the one between the democrats and democrat politicians, but that's irrelevant, because [i]both[/i] of these are much larger than the gap between republican politicians and democrat politicians.

    4. Re:Wishful Thinking by twostix · · Score: 2, Informative

      Holy two facedness batman!

      "On October 3, 2008, Smith was one of six Texan Republican Congressman to vote for the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 which created the Troubled Assets Relief Program[6].

      Despite his support of the bill, he also was a proponent of the 2009 Tea Party protests which condemned any bailouts, and even sent rallies in his district a letter which encouraged them "to protest the massive expansion in the size and scope of government currently underway". [7]"

      I bet the fork tongued viper sleeps like a baby on his mountains of corrupt cash at night as well.

      There simply must be revolution in western governance.

    5. Re:Wishful Thinking by tjstork · · Score: 1

      Just as an example: I, and many others, think that employer-based health care has been a disaster for small business; I would much rather pay individual income tax into a government trust fund (which have an excellent track record, in spite of the misinformation) and have a healthy society along with freeing up giant bags of money for other purposes. I really can't see how that would make a liberal anti-small-business. It is time for the Republican party's claim on small business to end. The Chamber doesn't speak for me.

      I don't think that's "liberal" at all and I could agree with the merits on this actually. I am putting together a small business and I would rather not have to be responsible for the health of my people. All it does is make me think about stuff that I'd prefer not to think about it.
      I don't understand why single payer is not on the table for health care reform.

      I would say that your freeing up of giant bags of money is probably a red herring. National health insurance is going to mean higher taxes and its going to be more expensive, unless health care itself is rationed. Frankly, there is a case to be made that government should ration health care, rather than a private insurer, simply because the government is democratic and the employee generally has no choice of insurer anyway.

      I have never even considered going after a "conservative" industry, as I don't even know what that would be.

      That's admirable but there are, unfortunately, a lot of liberals that do go after what they consider to be conservative industries. How often do we hear Democrats talk about "Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Energy, Big Auto, etc"? Putting the media on the table as target through the undermining of copyright and IP, or the taxation of it, is way to educate conservatives into having a more tit for tat response. If Sean Penn or Chris Martin or Michael Moore want to rail on about those industries that he feels are Republican, then certainly we should remind these people that their industries can be targeted too. It's a terrible way run a country, for sure, but conservatives are not the guys that wrote Rules for Radicals, although, certainly I would bet that our leaders pretty much follow the book just as much as the lefties who came up with it did.

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    6. Re:Wishful Thinking by daemonburrito · · Score: 1

      I would say that your freeing up of giant bags of money is probably a red herring.

      Not really. The benefits would be immediate for a whole class of business. Ask GM. I know that it is heretical to look abroad, but we have decades of data from every other industrialized country. Of course, you need to get the analysis from a source unconnected with the US media (media consolidation is one area where deregulation has objectively been a disaster). National health care comes in varied forms; in Canada, for example, there is a private supplemental insurance industry. It's just that people aren't dying for corporate apathy or going bankrupt. It think that it is "rationing" that is the red herring in this debate.

      How often do we hear Democrats talk about "Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Energy, Big Auto, etc"?

      This has nothing to do with fundraising or party affiliation. "Big Auto", in particular, got to where it is in politics largely by the actions of John Dingell. He got them almost everything they asked for (including the CAFE loopholes that led to the public safety and environmental disaster known as the "S.U.V.", an act of unrestrained greed and disregard for the country which provided the environment for their success). Even though he was narrowly voted out by the caucus in this term, he remains "chair emeritus" of Energy and Commerce.

      "Big Energy" (which for our purposes will include coal and oil) funds disinformation (not that it would be practical to fix, but isn't it interesting that we can restrict the misuse of biology and nuclear science but not of behavioral science?), is on the verge of ending civilization as we know it (energy execs are in for a shock when they discover that having a private security force won't save you from starving), and occasionally kills people. Coal kills people incidentally at least, and oil (along with lobbying on foreign policy) writes paychecks to thugs who kill people directly. What's not to like?

      If Sean Penn or Chris Martin or Michael Moore want to rail on about those industries that he feels are Republican, then certainly we should remind these people that their industries can be targeted too.

      None of these people have ever said that they are going after Republican industries because they are Republican (which they aren't). People of any or no party have very legitimate and specific complaints about the industries you listed. Again, not everything is about party.

      And besides, as I said, the IP cartels are bigger than Hollywood and give money to both parties. Also, unless Rupert Murdoch has grown a soul, it's pretty hard to make the argument that the industry is in any way left-of-center.

      I'm just going to ignore the Alinsky canard. But you should note that you have just had a conversation with an unrepentant "lefty" with no shortage of reason or honesty.

      I do appreciate what you're trying to do for the Republican party, but I think that whipping up more hate to do it is just too dangerous. The end rarely justifies the means, especially when the means involve dehumanizing your ideological opponents.

  50. "a lot of 'p'-prefaced jargon", appropriately by ChipMonk · · Score: 1

    By repeating their string of P-terms, they can spit in the face of their would-be readers.

    Critical analysis, which would normally fall under "fair use"? P on that!

  51. Note to Self: by KwKSilver · · Score: 1

    Add www.ap.org and hosted.ap.org to hosts file.

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  52. They'll send out different versions of the text. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's called a canary trap. Post even a snippet to your favorite BBS or blog and you're busted.

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  54. So what. by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    In real news the consumer's don't even care or notice. AP, having hidden their news, goes unnoticed.

  55. Re:Your services are no longer needed by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 1

    Little bits? like tweets?

  56. Re:Your services are no longer needed by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    Caveat: I understand the summary is flat wrong, the AP isn't trying to DRM the news, but some points are still interesting and should be explored.

    > Hey I am all for blogging and the idea of the citizen reporter but they supplement not replace professionals.

    I would normally agree, if not for there being, of late, too many examples of the professionals not being, I dunno, very professional. Citizen reporters may not be an adequate replacement, but I understand the frustration that might lead one to make the experiment.

    An interesting dynamic is one already active -- for every controversial story, there's a thousand geeks out there with sophisticated tools trying to prove it wrong, be it telling the difference between a bird and a missile, or checking the font of a document against typewriters available at the time. It's possible that mob vetting will compensate for mob reporting. That seems a bit too volatile to me, but hey, I'm not a social expert, even on TV.

    But what's clear is that the massive physical brick-and-mortar infrastructure that is "the news" (in all it's forms) is rapidly becoming irrelevant, for several reasons, not the least of which is, we don't trust them anymore. But this doesn't necessarily mean there will no longer be professional reporters. It may mean that they work for a much smaller, more loosely defined organization.

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  57. Morons. Plain out morons. by unity100 · · Score: 1

    you have been leading and dominating all news since last 100 or so years. AND despite being the bearer of the news that heralded huge changes in the course of human history, now, you yourselves are naively, stupidly trying to withstand the change. we are living in a digital era. we are living in an era where citizen journalists report the news.

    entrench yourself against this like this, put yourselves in the camp that opposes THE PEOPLE, and you will lose.

  58. I Found a Diagramme of How AP Will Make This Work by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 1
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  59. Re:Your services are no longer needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The media is FULL of professionals you dolt!

    (Professional stenographers that is. Actual reporters are considered unemployable and undesirable though.)

  60. Re:Your services are no longer needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you serious? You actually consider any of that to be journalism? Even as a 10 year old working on my elementary school 'newspaper' we learned that the bare minimum for a story was how, who, what, when, where, and why. None of your so-called 'news' stories even come close on any one of those items. 'Theres a plane in the Hudson'. Great story - all I need to know about it. 'There's ice on Mars'. Wow - that really means a lot to me.

    So what exactly is the problem with AP? Oh, wait, I know - they expect to get PAID for their work, the greedy bastards.

  61. Re:Your services are no longer needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And why is that? It wouldn't have anything at all to do with the publics insistence on cheap and/or free, would it?

  62. Tech Solutions to Problems of Human Comprehension by FlipperPA · · Score: 1

    Apparently these folks aren't familiar with the concept of "Copy & Paste"... most end users have a far better grasp of C&P than what constitutes fair use in IP law.

    Good luck with overcoming that, AP!

    Technical solutions to human problems always work out so well.

  63. Re:Your services are no longer needed by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    That might be a valid point if this wasn't starting, at the very least, during the Clinton era which pre-dates most people's internet access. Secondly, the BBC is guilty of it too and they don't have to worry about income.

    I personally think it comes down to trying to expand their markets and have news coverage 24 hours a day. The fact is there isn't enough news to pad out a whole day and keep people interested.

    TV news is the worst but print media still needs to compete with TV so it can be just as bad.

  64. Re:Your services are no longer needed by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    AP don't do anything, their poor exploited workers do. Smash the €€vu£ corpra$hun'$!!!! Rise up! Rise up! You have nothing to lose but your paychecks!

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  65. Re:Your services are no longer needed by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >>>I got skeptical with the anti-government rant and quit when you cited a fictional sci-fi television show for "evidence".

    First-off I didn't cite it as evidence. I never used that word, despite you falsely-quoting it. Second, are you saying a lesson can never be learned from fiction? "A Modest Proposal" about serving children as food, never had any impact on society, or led to welfare programs for the children? AMP may have been fiction but it did make people stop-and-think.

    All I was doing was expressing an opinion that reporters are pro-big government biased, and that you really can't believe what you see on the TV, because it's so easily distorted. I then cited "Illusion of Truth" not as evidence, but as a demonstration of how easy it is to chop-up what people say, rearrange those quotes, and turn them into a negative outcome. That was why the author wrote that episode - to make people stop and think.

    If you prefer a real-world example, just watch "Bowling for Columbine" where the producer rather creatively takes 3 different Charles Heston speeches, rearranges them, and merges them together as one speech. What gives it away is the color of Heston's tie which changes from red to black to red in a mere two minutes time.

    This producer won an award for his outstanding "reporting" but I call it biased, slanted, distorted. The evening news is no better, with their distortion of the truth (an illusion of truth), never once suggesting a less government solution, and instead always recommending more-and-more government. Clear bias.

    At least with internet-based news reporting, instead of just hearing the one-sided view of the national megacorps, we'd get to hear a wide variety of views which is healthier for society.

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  67. Literate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the real question is whether they will learn spelling and grammar.

  68. Re:Your services are no longer needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting the point yet?

    In the example of the Hudson river landing, many thousands of people witnessed that event as it occurred, because their offices and apartments faced the river, including the NYT for example. Me, I heard the plane and ran to the window, in time to see it splashdown, but not enough time for my smartphone camera to be ready to take the pic.

    Owning a cellphone doesn't mean having a newsmaker reputation. At the next major event, it'll be another random citizen who was prepared to capture pics/video. That will consume some of his 15 minutes, and then the wheel moves on. There is no organizing principle for randomly-selected journalists.

    Yes, we need people to do fact-checking and create a reputable source for news.

    It took the NYT over 150 years to evolve to their current state. If you're like most nerds here, you like their news, but you don't want to pay them for it. When they're gone, how will citizen journalism organize to fill that gap? They will need to organize into newsrooms, either physical or virtual/online.

    Organized newswriting has been around so long that you won't even recognize that it was there until it's gone.

    Twitter as a distribution mechanism is pretty effective, but Twitter doesn't filter, edit, rewrite, research etc. the stories... it's a vast echo chamber, 0.001% real info, 99.999% RT.

    But that entity is not going to look like the AP of today.

    The AP of today is a collective composed of member news orgs. AP has a newsroom staff, plus the member orgs contribute writing. Everyone from Fox News to NYT takes AP stories. The real question is, what will become of "news" when there are no more newsrooms?

    But I suspect the geek disdain for paying for news will change. It will take one under-reported scandal story near and dear to geeks' hearts.