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  1. No. This is new technology in test mode. As such it should be supported by adequate safety measures before being turned loose on public roads. But Uber wants to do things as cheap as possible and they expect that the state will just roll over for them.

  2. There is ample disagreement here about whether the "Safety Driver" should have seen someone there significantly before the "last second"; it's likely that the poor video from the dashcam is not representative of what a person with good night vision would have seen.

    Engineers have also weighed in on the fact that it's very odd that the LIDAR system didn't detect the person long before the car reached her.

    The difference is that you are comparing "amateur" drivers with low skill levels to what a professional driver could accomplish. But professional drivers and meaningful protocols to keep the driver alert cost money, and we're talking about Uber here.

  3. Is there a published account of the thousands of cases where a pedestrian was about to be run over by the autonomous vehicle and the "Safety Driver" saved the day?

    Or just thousands of accounts where nothing much got in the way and everybody went home happy?

  4. Well that obviously didn't work.

    Maybe a protocol for "Safety Driving" is needed that somehow maintains the "Safety Driver's" level of alertness instead of having them sit there like a lump to magically awaken and take control when the car is about to run over a pedestrian.

    But that costs money. This is Uber.

  5. Typo: .. and have the Uber CEO randomly pop out in front of the test vehicle.

  6. So build a realistic test track covering huge expanses of uninhabited land and have the Uber randomly pop out in front of the test vehicle.

    I bet Uber would be a lot more attentive to engineering and safety if that were the scenario.

  7. Shouldn't an experienced test driver operating a brand new type of vehicle 3 miles per hour over the speed limit on a dark public road be anticipating an event with max attention?

    Otherwise what's the point of that person sitting there (besides to deflect legal liability from UBER)?

  8. But in the case of this particular segment he doesn't appear to have cherry picked the data; see for example:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking

    The word jaywalk is a compound word derived from the word jay, an inexperienced person and a curse word that originated in the early 1900s, and walk.[3] No historical evidence supports an alternative folk etymology by which the word is traced to the letter "J" (characterizing the route a jaywalker might follow).

    and

    Originally, the legal rule was that "all persons have an equal right in the highway, and that in exercising the right each shall take due care not to injure other users of the way."[4] In time, however, streets became the province of motorized traffic, both practically and legally. Automobile interests in the USA took up the cause of labeling and scorning jaywalkers in the 1910s and early 1920s, by then the earlier term of "jay driver" was declining in use.[5][6] The earliest citation in the Oxford English Dictionary follows in 1917.

    Then there's this which echoes the statements of some of the folks posting here about their hatred of anybody who dares set foot in the road except within a crosswalk when the light is green:

    "A campaign of ridicule directed toward the extermination of the "Jay Walker Family" was inaugurated [in Tacoma WA] today by the local automobile club. The "Jay Walker Family" according to explanations made today is numerous. It is composed of those pedestrians who cross congested streets without first looking to see if it is safe to do so. The local automobile club today adopted resolutions suggesting propaganda to be distributed all over the country to "kill off the Jay Walker Family." Automobile clubs all over the country ... will be asked to aid in exterminating "Mr. and Mrs. Jay Walker and all the little Walkers."[7]

    And as someone from the UK posted previously, UK law is substantially different from US law and custom:

    The term "jaywalking" is used largely in the United States. The United Kingdom does not have jaywalking laws; the Highway Code relies on the pedestrian making their own judgement on whether it is safe to cross based on the Green Cross Code. Pedestrians do have priority over turning vehicles. Highway Code Rule 170 states that a driver should "watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way."[2]

  9. Which is why NASA picks up their astronauts at the local Home Depot, shoves them into space with no training, and pays them minimum wage.

    The UBER "Safety Driver" is a test pilot for an unproven technology running in test mode on public roads fer fuck's sake.

  10. This episode of Adam Ruins Everything?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=-AFn7MiJz_s

  11. Re:Video appears to be digitally manipulated on Police Release First Video From Inside the Uber Self-Driving Car That Killed a Pedestrian (recode.net) · · Score: 1

    Maybe UBER should have purchased a camera for their autonomous car under test that was a little bit better than an eBay special?

  12. In my case an older steel brake line burst rolling up to a stop light at about 35mph.

    I don't know how you handled the situation (or if you just kept going until you hit) but the "parking" a.k.a. "emergency" brake should have still been operational even with the hydraulic line broken. It's good to keep in mind that there's a brake lever there in case of something like this happening.

  13. Hence the second part of mysidia's sentence:

    otherwise the driver has a duty to slow down to a safe speed for the limited visibility under dark nighttime driving conditions,

  14. It might be instructive to learn just how much this newly minted test driver was paid.

    It's UBER. My guess is minimum wage.

    Real test pilots / test drivers aren't cheap.

  15. Clearly this is an opportunity for traffic law enforcement then. Cull the tailgaters and rack up some money for state/local services.
    Win-Win.

  16. Re:This particular quote is interesting .... on Lead Exposure Kills Hundreds of Thousands of Adults Every Year in the US, Study Finds (theguardian.com) · · Score: 2

    Objection! That's a leading question!

  17. Re:This particular quote is interesting .... on Lead Exposure Kills Hundreds of Thousands of Adults Every Year in the US, Study Finds (theguardian.com) · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grecian_Formula

    Grecian Formula is a men's hair coloring product from Combe Incorporated. In the formulation used in the United States, it contains lead(II) acetate.[1] Because lead acetate is banned in cosmetics in Canada and the European Union, the formulations sold there do not contain it.[1][2] In 2017 Environmental Defense Fund and other consumer groups filed a complaint with the Food and Drug Administration to force the removal of lead acetate from Grecian Formula and other hair dyes.[3]

    Interesting to note that it wasn't until 2017 that EDF filed their complaint. Coincidence? I think it was not.

  18. Re: 90% chance of opioid overdose on Hacker Adrian Lamo Dies At 37 (zdnet.com) · · Score: 1

    "After Surgery in Germany, I Wanted Vicodin, Not Herbal Tea"

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/27/opinion/sunday/surgery-germany-vicodin.html

    Every day, my body felt a little better. I drank mint tea. I drank fennel tea. I drank homemade chai with ginger, cardamom and pepper. I drank coffee slowly, enjoying every sip. I lingered in that in-between space.

    After a week, I took the tram to the doctor’s office to have my stitches removed. My doctor, with her usual cup of chamomile tea in hand, remarked on my progress. “I rested,” I told her. Normally, I would have said, “I did nothing,” but I didn’t say that. I had been healing, and that’s something.

    I did say that this story is not about the benefits of universal health care, but for the sake of accuracy, let me add that this hysterectomy was not without cost. After my surgery, I had to pay $25 for the taxi ride home.

  19. Re: Thanks for the autoplay clickbait, Miss Mash! on UFO Disclosure Group Releases Newest Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet UFO Encounter Video (cnn.com) · · Score: 1

    Donald Trump's timeline on David Duke indicates that DT is either DT a cowardly liar (not a cowardly lion - that's from a different movie) or had some serious memory problems:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/01/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record

    1991: David Duke: Bad man.
    2000: David Duke: Bad man.
    2015: David Duke: "I don’t know anything about him."

  20. Re:Thanks for the autoplay clickbait, Miss Mash! on UFO Disclosure Group Releases Newest Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet UFO Encounter Video (cnn.com) · · Score: 1

    Thank you for an informative link (quoted from below).

    Before his death, in 2010, Byrd was the longest-serving senator in the country’s history. Throughout his career he made many attempts to amend for drawing in 150 members to the Klan, and for attaining the position of “Exalted Cyclops.”

    Those attempts led the National Associated for the Advancement of Colored People to issue a statement in praise of Byrd upon his death, and for Clinton, when she was secretary of state at the time, to comment on his passing. She started the video commemoration by saying, “Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.” Clinton also said that Byrd had been “the heart” of the U.S. Senate.

    Still, unlike white supremacist and former Klan leader David Duke—who praised Trump following the president's press conference Tuesday—Byrd renounced his experience with the hate group.

  21. Re:Infrastructure and support ain't free on Apple Buys Texture, a 'Netflix For Magazines' App (ft.com) · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the clarification.

    Maybe I misunderstand how Texture works. It sounds like you're saying that they - not the magazine - are hosting the magazine's content. If so then I'm not sure I'd be perfectly happy with that as a subscriber (Will controversial articles be censored? Will there be typos or factual errors added?)

    I thought it was just a subscription that permitted access to the online magazines' existing websites. E.g., "The New Yorker" magazine has its own website for digital subscribers and they charge $8.99/month for a digital-only subscription. Obviously they also already have the mechanism in place to handle billing (via "buysub.com" in their case).

  22. Re:And why would anybody in the future care? on A Startup is Pitching a Mind-Uploading Service That is '100 Percent Fatal' (technologyreview.com) · · Score: 3, Funny

    Via the fuck() system call of course.

  23. $10/month for 200 magazines versus $10/month each? on Apple Buys Texture, a 'Netflix For Magazines' App (ft.com) · · Score: 1

    I'm genuinely curious how the magazine publishers find this profitable. $10/month is about the price of a single digital-only subscription to many of these magazines.

    If Texture is really providing the full content - the same as with a direct subscription - then I'm mystified. Why don't these publishers offer their subscriptions for $1/month or so? I'd snap up several of those in a flash. Why would they be satisfied with possibly substantially less delivered via a service like Texture?

  24. Re: Great news! on Researchers Discover Colistin-Heteroresistant Germs In the US (arstechnica.com) · · Score: 1

    (In cattle country, USA feed stores all display tetracycline and amphicillin powder in open barrels with convenient scoops the size of garden trowels stuck in them for customers to purchase bulk antibiotics priced by the pound.)

    Serious question: how is this allowed? These are prescription-only pharmaceuticals right? I can't just walk into a drugstore and pick up a bottle of either of these antibiotics without a prescription.

    Is there some part of the law that controls access to these that explicitly exempts feed stores?

    Googling the question brings me to an article that states that pet stores routinely sell prescription antibiotics without prescription:

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200207183470319

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/here-are-reasons-you-shouldnt-take-fish-antibiotics-180964523/

    I am amazed.

  25. Re:from china with pollution on Scientists Unsure Where Chinese Space Station Will Crash To Earth · · Score: 1

    And then eat them on a sesame seed bun with special sauce?