Yeah, all those end users that need a C++ compiler, god dammit. And later down the thread you use the available C/C++ compilers for Windows as an example, but none of those are installed by default. Holy shit, you're a stupid motherfucker. KDevelop doesn't contain a compiler, that's GCC's job to provide. Or icc, of you use intels compiler. Installing build-essential isn't that hard, and a quick google search should do it.
But on the other side, you probably can't write more than "Hello world" in C++ either.
I'm going to put this as friendly and easy as I can: Where I live, it is not possible to buy a computer from a large vendor with no operating system installed(At least not without spending a huge amount of time, which for me would be equivalent of actually buying Windows), and there are no local computer stores here, so getting a noname computer without Windows is difficult. Not to mention that where I live now, I simply cannot have a stationary machine, and laptops are even worse off with regards to preinstalled operating systems. Not everyone has the same opportunities you have, and such, you shouldn't base your assumptions on you alone. I know very well there is possible for people other places to buy computers without Windows installed, but I cannot. Therefore, to me, it is indeed a tax.
But the people that made the hardware might suck royally at actually writing a driver. This is why this project aims to give better communication between hardware manufacturers and kernel hackers.
You mean, fuding like... The way Ubuntu people berate Red Hat at every chance they get? Or that Debian users has made snide remarks about SUSE since long before they actually signed a deal with Microsoft? They are selling their distro, and if someone asks "What about Red Hat?", they have to give a meaningful answer. After that it's all up to the customer. I guess Red Hat salespersons also has some answers to give if you ask them to compare the distros. Please, you geeks couldn't sell water in the sahara desert.
I'm not touching any *BSD-projects. They would rather see their sourcecode made proprietary then going GPL. They are not pro FLOSS, they're just anti-GPL. They as Sun is, drooling over all the device drivers Linux has. They're trying to figure out a way to take that code without going GPL. Just say no to *BSD.
If Microsoft is breaking Swedish law, then Sweden could easily fine Microsoft. Even if internation treaties exists, it does not mean you are free to break national laws. And using US law as a defense is a very poor defense at best.
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Yeah none of those two users are running windows apps.
Since when did Windows come with good documentation, stable code or interface standards? If you want documentation and stable code then http://freebsd.org/ should be the operating system for you. Best handbook, stable operating system. The bullshit about interface standards(I assume GUI), really is a mess no matter what platform.
Mod parent and GP "Confused". Lenovo has been redirecting customers to Novell for quite some time. The news here, is that they are indeed planning to preload SLED. However, you idiots seem to be under the impression that all the sites should get updated right NOW. And that's expecting a bit much.
Oh, so the BSD-code that Microsoft used in their closed source operating system is just a figment of my imagination then? Jesus tapdancing Christ, you are a fucking moron and a liar.
Hm, I thought this was a developers conference? Are you implying that the people that develop for Apple-based systems can't understand that there are other browsers in existance?:p
It's great that they got actual code, but no open source project wants copyrighted Microsoft code in their project.(Except maybe Icazas projects). So it's basically a Linspire-only deal, and I have a feeling that won't sit too well with the community-
Well, Ubuntu would regularly fuck up on setting up my SATA-drives where Debian did it without a hitch. I use Ubuntu on my laptop and Debian on my desktop machine, they're both great distros.
The author is an idiot. If he uses Kubuntu or even Windows on a daily basis, he should know that 64-bit is not quite there yet when it comes to proprietary stuff.
Did you clarify 'free software' as 'free speech', or did you just say 'free'? The key word here is context. There are many ways software can be free (price, ideals, rights of the end user and rights of future end users of derived software, etc). The FSF simply chooses to define it's own ideals as the de-facto term for 'free software', which is absurd and bound to cause confusion.
Actually, the point I was trying to make was that "free" is an ambiguous word, and can have several meanings. In Norway for instance, we avoid this simply because there is "gratis" and "fri", and these are not interchangeable. So it's not all black and white as the parent post was making it out to be.
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Not to mention that Al Gore isn't even involved in this case.
But, but... He made the internet!
He's called you an asshole? Please quote.
Yeah, all those end users that need a C++ compiler, god dammit. And later down the thread you use the available C/C++ compilers for Windows as an example, but none of those are installed by default. Holy shit, you're a stupid motherfucker.
KDevelop doesn't contain a compiler, that's GCC's job to provide. Or icc, of you use intels compiler.
Installing build-essential isn't that hard, and a quick google search should do it.
But on the other side, you probably can't write more than "Hello world" in C++ either.
I'm going to put this as friendly and easy as I can: Where I live, it is not possible to buy a computer from a large vendor with no operating system installed(At least not without spending a huge amount of time, which for me would be equivalent of actually buying Windows), and there are no local computer stores here, so getting a noname computer without Windows is difficult. Not to mention that where I live now, I simply cannot have a stationary machine, and laptops are even worse off with regards to preinstalled operating systems. Not everyone has the same opportunities you have, and such, you shouldn't base your assumptions on you alone. I know very well there is possible for people other places to buy computers without Windows installed, but I cannot. Therefore, to me, it is indeed a tax.
But for everyone that doesn't want Windows, it is indeed a tax.
But the people that made the hardware might suck royally at actually writing a driver. This is why this project aims to give better communication between hardware manufacturers and kernel hackers.
You mean, fuding like... The way Ubuntu people berate Red Hat at every chance they get? Or that Debian users has made snide remarks about SUSE since long before they actually signed a deal with Microsoft? They are selling their distro, and if someone asks "What about Red Hat?", they have to give a meaningful answer. After that it's all up to the customer. I guess Red Hat salespersons also has some answers to give if you ask them to compare the distros. Please, you geeks couldn't sell water in the sahara desert.
But you can't get AAC 256kb on every song on ITMS, can you? :)
Almost, it's Videos of Mass Distraction, but close.
I'm not touching any *BSD-projects. They would rather see their sourcecode made proprietary then going GPL. They are not pro FLOSS, they're just anti-GPL. They as Sun is, drooling over all the device drivers Linux has. They're trying to figure out a way to take that code without going GPL. Just say no to *BSD.
If Microsoft is breaking Swedish law, then Sweden could easily fine Microsoft. Even if internation treaties exists, it does not mean you are free to break national laws. And using US law as a defense is a very poor defense at best.
Yeah none of those two users are running windows apps.
Since when did Windows come with good documentation, stable code or interface standards? If you want documentation and stable code then http://freebsd.org/ should be the operating system for you. Best handbook, stable operating system. The bullshit about interface standards(I assume GUI), really is a mess no matter what platform.
Mod parent and GP "Confused". Lenovo has been redirecting customers to Novell for quite some time. The news here, is that they are indeed planning to preload SLED. However, you idiots seem to be under the impression that all the sites should get updated right NOW. And that's expecting a bit much.
How about this:
Researcher: "Looks like the machines used by the cult of Jobs has some security issues"
Fanboi: "Lies! Kill the researcher! He is obviously lying about this issue and should be shot on sight"
Apple: "Oops, looks like a security issue indeed"
Silly Apple fanboys.
Oh, so the BSD-code that Microsoft used in their closed source operating system is just a figment of my imagination then? Jesus tapdancing Christ, you are a fucking moron and a liar.
I'm from Norway, you actually meet with our government on a regular basis? That's good news! I was not aware of that. Keep up the good work!
Hm, I thought this was a developers conference? Are you implying that the people that develop for Apple-based systems can't understand that there are other browsers in existance? :p
It's great that they got actual code, but no open source project wants copyrighted Microsoft code in their project.(Except maybe Icazas projects). So it's basically a Linspire-only deal, and I have a feeling that won't sit too well with the community-
Well, Ubuntu would regularly fuck up on setting up my SATA-drives where Debian did it without a hitch. I use Ubuntu on my laptop and Debian on my desktop machine, they're both great distros.
I really wish I had mod points right now, there's so much anti-Red Hat FUD from the Ubuntu-evangelists that it makes me sick.
The author is an idiot. If he uses Kubuntu or even Windows on a daily basis, he should know that 64-bit is not quite there yet when it comes to proprietary stuff.
Sure, blaim Linux for the fact that Ubuntu botched the CUPS package. Sounds reasonable.
Are you trying to say that 85% of the worlds webservers are running Windows? Are you serious?
Did you clarify 'free software' as 'free speech', or did you just say 'free'? The key word here is context. There are many ways software can be free (price, ideals, rights of the end user and rights of future end users of derived software, etc). The FSF simply chooses to define it's own ideals as the de-facto term for 'free software', which is absurd and bound to cause confusion.
Actually, the point I was trying to make was that "free" is an ambiguous word, and can have several meanings. In Norway for instance, we avoid this simply because there is "gratis" and "fri", and these are not interchangeable. So it's not all black and white as the parent post was making it out to be.