He said *financial* software, not a bunch of geeks playing around with balancing their checkbooks. (...) Make GNUCash look like QuickBooks and you'll convert millions.
Actually he wrote about working tax and financial software. He wrote nothing about looks. Considering that Windows XP is absolutely hideous by default (Teletubby theme, 800x600 wallpaper with JPEG artifacts) and XP still was successful, the looks don't matter to the general public at all.
I also just used KMyMoney as an example. Nowhere I claimed that it's the only Linux software in that genre.
People usually use what they were raised with. Linux and the higher software stack could look like a pixel-perfect copy of Windows (anybody remember XPde?) and yet no mass migration would occur. That's why it's useless to try to pander to Windows users that way.
Do you realize how many people I could have switched over to Linux had their tax and financial software worked with it????
You mean like the Java-based tax software that works under Linux right now? Germany's ELSTER software is such an example. On top of that, there is plenty of financial software for Linux, like KMyMoney.
The GNOME3 developers try to cram their views down the user's throat
Unlike you, the GNOME devs are very aware that Linux allows multiple GUIs. GNOME 3 implements one approach to GUIs. If you don't like it, use another GUI Xfce, Plasma Desktop or whatever
I'm glad to see GNOME finally adopt Copy To and Move To in their file manager. That was one feature which I loved in KDE and drew me away from GNOME, oh, about ten years ago.
Even 10 years ago you could simply use another file manager (KDE's Konqueror or even something completely different). I never understood why people change their whole DE when they just like a single application better.
Why not judge each component on its own merit? In my case most happens to be KDE-based but not everything. (eg. I use Firefox and GIMP)
With that kind of attitude we wouldn't have gotten WebKit. I mean why bother when Gecko exists, wasted effort clearly.
Well, KHTML started before open sourcing Netscape Communicator as Mozilla and even then Gecko didn't exist, yet. According to the dates on Wikipedia, Netscape announced Mozilla just a few days before the KDE 1.0 beta 3 release which already included the Konqueror predecessor kfm. WebKit was just an evolutionary step from that.
My memory puts Has staroffice as older than KDE itself.
Learn to read. He wrote that KOffice was started before the StarOffice source code was opened up to the public. That is true and you can look it up on Wikipedia.
Upgrading to 4.9 was painless. Plasma Desktop is the best DE out there since 4.2. Improving KWin scripting makes it even better! Dolphin 2.1 rocks hard.
KDE 5.0 is being worked on, but it is not called KDE 5.0, it is called KDE frameworks. One of the main points of KDE frameworks is get rid of the distinctions betwen Qt and KDE applications, so many KDE features are being ported into Qt now that it is under open governance, and the rest will be made to work well at Qt components that anyone can add to their application.
How can this completely wrong comment get "Score:5, Interesting"? "KDE 5" is not being worked of and "KDE frameworks" is not its new name and no distinction between KDE and Qt applications will be gotten rid of.
Here's the correction: Every 6 months a community whose name is "KDE" release 3 software bundles: KDE Plasma Workspaces, KDE Applications, and KDE Development Platform which consists of the libraries that make up the foundation of the former two. Plasma Workspaces will stay at 4.x for the foreseeable future. KDE Development Platform currently in the process of being ported to Qt5 and due to more modularization it'll be renamed to KDE Frameworks 5. Sometime next year or so Plasma and Applications will be ported to KF5 (a mere recompilation and maybe a handful of tweaks required) but that does not mean that Plasma or anything else will bump its version number to 5.0.
And jumping on board with a platform that is being shoveled out the door by HP, with no future development in sight, is a smart move to make? Who knows, they may adopt some of what's in webOS, maybe merge it into Qt. We don't have visibility into much more than what's been pointed out today.
Actually, the upcoming Open webOS will be based on Qt (QtWebKit to be exact): http://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/02/sams-blog-february-releases-for-open-webos/ The core experience of what webOS actually is, is just written in JavaScript anyway. If nothing too unexpected happens, Open webOS will just be a bunch of modules that run on QtWebKit which in turn runs on Mer or any other Linux distribution.
Why should Nvidia subscribe to the projects "goals and visions"? Thats the projects concern, not theirs.
As long as NVidia is interested in GPGPU programming of their GPUs on Linux, it is NVidia's concern. It's a niche market but it's with high margins. NVidia could leave but that would mean that AMD is pretty much uncontested and AMD supports Linux: http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx
It is not NVidia's fault that NVidia chose to not provide FOSS drivers? All kernel drivers had absolutely no problems adapting to any changes in the APIs because the changes are usually minimal. (Unlike Xorg whose interfaces changes drastically the last one or two releases as well as at least the upcoming release will break them further.)
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He said *financial* software, not a bunch of geeks playing around with balancing their checkbooks. (...) Make GNUCash look like QuickBooks and you'll convert millions.
Actually he wrote about working tax and financial software. He wrote nothing about looks. Considering that Windows XP is absolutely hideous by default (Teletubby theme, 800x600 wallpaper with JPEG artifacts) and XP still was successful, the looks don't matter to the general public at all.
I also just used KMyMoney as an example. Nowhere I claimed that it's the only Linux software in that genre.
People usually use what they were raised with. Linux and the higher software stack could look like a pixel-perfect copy of Windows (anybody remember XPde?) and yet no mass migration would occur.
That's why it's useless to try to pander to Windows users that way.
I've known clem since the early mint days. This guy gets it.
He only gets conservatism and that's fine but don't act as if his conservative views on software GUIs are the taste of everybody.
Do you realize how many people I could have switched over to Linux had their tax and financial software worked with it????
You mean like the Java-based tax software that works under Linux right now? Germany's ELSTER software is such an example.
On top of that, there is plenty of financial software for Linux, like KMyMoney.
The GNOME3 developers try to cram their views down the user's throat
Unlike you, the GNOME devs are very aware that Linux allows multiple GUIs. GNOME 3 implements one approach to GUIs. If you don't like it, use another GUI Xfce, Plasma Desktop or whatever
Core software needs to run on WINE, no excuses.
OS/2 ran Windows software better than Windows. Look where it got OS/2.
a15 has some of that stuff. ..if we one day get cpu's with it.
AnandTech claims that Apple A6, the iPhone 5's CPU, implements the Cortex A15 (arm7s) instruction set.
This is one distro I've not followed. What's the difference b/w SUSE & OpenSUSE?
The same as Red Hat (Enterprise Linux) and Fedora.
Both are optional. Grub1 is still available. In fact Grub is not touched at all when upgrading.
1 year ago: not anymore, thants to the intagration of filemanagers to DEs...
WTF?
Dolphin still runs under GNOME.
I'm glad to see GNOME finally adopt Copy To and Move To in their file manager. That was one feature which I loved in KDE and drew me away from GNOME, oh, about ten years ago.
Even 10 years ago you could simply use another file manager (KDE's Konqueror or even something completely different).
I never understood why people change their whole DE when they just like a single application better.
Why not judge each component on its own merit? In my case most happens to be KDE-based but not everything. (eg. I use Firefox and GIMP)
With that kind of attitude we wouldn't have gotten WebKit. I mean why bother when Gecko exists, wasted effort clearly.
Well, KHTML started before open sourcing Netscape Communicator as Mozilla and even then Gecko didn't exist, yet.
According to the dates on Wikipedia, Netscape announced Mozilla just a few days before the KDE 1.0 beta 3 release which already included the Konqueror predecessor kfm. WebKit was just an evolutionary step from that.
the LO guys are stripping out all the Java even as we speak.
Actually no. They reduced Java dependencies but nothing more. LO is still full of Java.
a lot of these people also need 100% compatibility (in both directions) with Microsoft Office documents.
MS Office can open ODF files since years. So where is the problem?
Citation needed.
My memory puts Has staroffice as older than KDE itself.
Learn to read. He wrote that KOffice was started before the StarOffice source code was opened up to the public. That is true and you can look it up on Wikipedia.
Upgrading to 4.9 was painless.
Plasma Desktop is the best DE out there since 4.2.
Improving KWin scripting makes it even better! Dolphin 2.1 rocks hard.
Serious question: Is the "best" KDE version still considered to be 3.5? Or have they un-broken the 4 with the newer updates?
Series 4 is totally great since 4.2.1.
Everything that requires the ARTS sound server can't be good. Ever.
I remember 4.2; I wouldn't consider it as ready for prime time.
4.2.0 had some unpleasant KWin bug. 4.2.1 fixed that. Overall 4.2 was great and widely praised by critics.
I want to like KDE again, I just cant get over the bells and whistles getting in my way and cluttering up my work spaces.
Most retarded comment ever, considering that all "bells and whistles" are optional and always have been.
Shouldn't they then have numbered it 4.01, 4.02,...4.09, 4.10, 4.11? And go to 5.01 whenever kde frameworks is ready?
Why? It's not the Unix convention of version numbering. GNOME went up to 2.32 or so and even KDE 3's last release was 3.5.10.
Why should a Qt app running on Windows or OS X need to to have a forced dependency on some KDE feature?
KDE just wants to upstream (some of) its portfolio of convenience classes and improved class methods, that's all.
http://community.kde.org/KDE_Core/QtMerge
And even that was just a proposal. I don't see many KDE developers be very keen to sign Nokia's required CLA.
KDE 5.0 is being worked on, but it is not called KDE 5.0, it is called KDE frameworks. One of the main points of KDE frameworks is get rid of the distinctions betwen Qt and KDE applications, so many KDE features are being ported into Qt now that it is under open governance, and the rest will be made to work well at Qt components that anyone can add to their application.
How can this completely wrong comment get "Score:5, Interesting"?
"KDE 5" is not being worked of and "KDE frameworks" is not its new name and no distinction between KDE and Qt applications will be gotten rid of.
Here's the correction:
Every 6 months a community whose name is "KDE" release 3 software bundles: KDE Plasma Workspaces, KDE Applications, and KDE Development Platform which consists of the libraries that make up the foundation of the former two.
Plasma Workspaces will stay at 4.x for the foreseeable future.
KDE Development Platform currently in the process of being ported to Qt5 and due to more modularization it'll be renamed to KDE Frameworks 5. Sometime next year or so Plasma and Applications will be ported to KF5 (a mere recompilation and maybe a handful of tweaks required) but that does not mean that Plasma or anything else will bump its version number to 5.0.
And jumping on board with a platform that is being shoveled out the door by HP, with no future development in sight, is a smart move to make? Who knows, they may adopt some of what's in webOS, maybe merge it into Qt. We don't have visibility into much more than what's been pointed out today.
Actually, the upcoming Open webOS will be based on Qt (QtWebKit to be exact): http://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/02/sams-blog-february-releases-for-open-webos/
The core experience of what webOS actually is, is just written in JavaScript anyway.
If nothing too unexpected happens, Open webOS will just be a bunch of modules that run on QtWebKit which in turn runs on Mer or any other Linux distribution.
the price of gasoline, food, and housing has gone up dramatically since the 1990s
Stop whining about gas prices, Americans. You people pay half of what is common in Europe: http://gasoline-germany.com/maps.phtml?homeland=US&kartenversion=EUM&waehrung=USD&einheit=Gallon&sorte=SU
Why should Nvidia subscribe to the projects "goals and visions"? Thats the projects concern, not theirs.
As long as NVidia is interested in GPGPU programming of their GPUs on Linux, it is NVidia's concern.
It's a niche market but it's with high margins. NVidia could leave but that would mean that AMD is pretty much uncontested and AMD supports Linux: http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx
And who's fault is that? Not nVidia's
It is not NVidia's fault that NVidia chose to not provide FOSS drivers? All kernel drivers had absolutely no problems adapting to any changes in the APIs because the changes are usually minimal. (Unlike Xorg whose interfaces changes drastically the last one or two releases as well as at least the upcoming release will break them further.)