Oh yes, there's no doubt about the legitimacy of the result. The Leave.EU campaign has won, and not going ahead would need extraordinary reasons or someone *seriously* risking losing face.
However, the Irish had 2 votes for the Lisbon Treaty, the Dutch also had 2 votes. Things can change, and an economic crisis can trigger a change of strategy. There's easily 15 million voters unhappy with the result and if they initiate a new political movement, they can certainly can represent a threat of a demographic crisis on top of an economic crisis if they don't get a sweeter deal.
It's done. We're out, and we're now going to have to live with the consequences of that vote.
I'll disagree with that bit. The referendum is not legally binding and until the divorce paperwork is done, the UK is a member even if the other members decide to treat us like a cheating spouse:) With Cameron resigning, his successor will have 2 years before a general election, during which it may become very clear that the Conservative party is deeply fractured because of this key policy. Same with Labour. Some time is needed for government-capable parties to re-group and win a general election. It would surprise me if no new-new-Labour or new-Tory party presented themselves on a platform of NOT going ahead with the Brexit. Either alone, or in an alliance between Greens, LibDems and new-new-Labour. In the meantime, Scotland is getting ready for a break up. If the Conservative party wanted this to have England all to themselves, it's working really well, except for the sudden dip in the markets, possibly to be followed by recession.
Harsh, but true. I use a Nokia HB 121 bluetooth receiver which suits the way I want to use my gadgets (without the radio being against my head), but it is more complicated than just plugging the jack to the phone. If find the sound quality to be good enough compromise for the convenience of leaving the phone on the table/pocket/etc but in absolute terms it does not sound as clean as a direct connection.
Please never use Microsoft as a recommended licensing model. It's never the lesser evil, but I digress...
Just to clarify, I used the example of Microsoft enterprise licensing because it's the one I am familiar with and could well be related to what's happening in the original article. There's no recommendation on my part and I am fully aware that in the 1000+ product lines that Microsoft has/had there are many license types and variants and I don't know all there is about them. IANAL, etc, etc.
The situation is simple. The health provider is using software without a license, and the software developer refuses to issue a license. To draw an analogy,
If it's simple why do we need an analogy!? Why doesn't your analogy include cars???!?! (I'm joking).
I suspect that throughout the article there is an oversimplification in language, leading to the omission of the type of contracts in question - this is probably NOT about a software license. Instead I thin it is about a maintenance and support entitlement that the company does not wish to extend, while the customer might be prevented by law and insurance audits to use a business critical piece of software without it being somehow under a reliable and enforceable support agreement. Microsoft (probably) are not a party to this agreement but get named here because the vendor cannot seriously commit to any suitable support SLA due to every MS component that underlies their 'solution' being itself obsolete and out of support.
I'd say both both. It might be a court case to get the state of South Australia to pay their last bill and then cancel the existing contract without penalty to the supplier.
I'm not a big fan of replying to AC, but here goes....
When enterprise-grade software is supplied, normally there are plenty of contractual terms that go with it. Requiring that the whole stack (operating system, database, application, whatever else) is under current support from the suppliers is a good demand in exchange for offering guarantees of break-fix support. The company providing support for the patient care component does not want to have the customer making claims of breach of SLA when the database component failed and its respective supplier has halted development and won't take new trouble tickets for the specific version in use since 10 years ago.
In the MS world of licensing where I have some modest experience, I've seen that it is common for MS to charge an annual maintenance fee in return for a number of entitlements for the user. Things like access to patches and upgrade rights (ie: you don't buy the software licence again when a new version comes up, just grab the new version and move on) are not unusual. On top of this, I've also seen independent software vendors and MS technology partners build up more stuff that goes on top of the MS product that was licensed in the first place. These vendors sometimes use the same model of maintenance payments every year to have some sort of cash coming from those customers who bought additional software or customisations to the base product. If the maintenance payments are not made to MS, they do not switch things off (to my knowledge at least) but if the customer changes their mind, MS will charge lapsed years or ask for a new licence to be purchased. Independent vendors may have their own policies in relation to the software they develop on the MS application/stack.
Having read both articles (wow!), I get the impression that while this state in Australia used to be but is no longer a large customer account. They are really the only people using this software any more, and it is a pain in the backside to make a proper upgrade path just for them. They opted out of incremental upgrades, and now a big bang will look expensive and complicated. It is also possible that the software vendor is under obligation to offer guarantees IF they do offer another year or more of maintenance or extend the licence for their software. In what appears to be an exercise in bridge burning, they want the customer to stop using their software unless they completely replace it with a supported version. It's not very Microsoft-y thing to do, but between MS licensing rules, independent vendor licensing rules and specific contracts made when this deal was a big one for a whole state in Australia, this might have exceptional treatment agreed somewhere.
To me it looks like both parties want out of the contract they have and the company going to court is another way to put pressure on the other side. Some have written in this forum that this would never be a problem if they just used open source software, which is IMHO optimistic. Legacy crap is complicated for everyone, 10 or 20 years of it will make anyone want to have a fresh start. To paraphrase another favourite AC of mine, they really should go with supported apps, that get upgraded and updated on the fly by a cloud services provider. Legacy programmes can be a pain in the backside, compared to centrally managed apps. Cloud! Apps!
I think than MS likes to sell loads of licenses and the make a software fix rather than having the extra costs from policing every OEM under the sun.:)
How would MS deal with this if the OEM has physical access to the hardware and does need to provide drivers and supporting software for many combinations of components?
All they can do is make life complicated to all their sales channels and have more machines sold without a "MS approved" sticker. Not a winning proposition. It is best to sell Surfaces without crapware, and Xboxes with Windows 10 compatibility. Essentially, to be more like Apple and Google and sell vertically integrated product/services.
What worries me more than social media becoming the primary source, is the idea that we should only read be interested in things we are already interested in.
me too!
More seriously, the quality of comments on newspaper sites is getting too close to the hater vs fanboy arguments that make Youtube and Facebook comments unreadable, and what makes Twitter a place for abuse and bullying more often than anything else. If these circumstances dictate that it's normal to just abuse other people in case of disagreement, finding refuge in group-think is not that crazy. Perhaps it has always been like this, people who vote similarly read the same news sources and congregate with like-minded people only. The internet just makes groups bigger and makes these behaviours more obvious to the observer.
I'm also wondering why MS wants Linkedin (and why would Linkedin need to sell out), and there's some very faint clues:
1) Linkedin is the only large social networking site that does have paid membership; 2) While it has B2B origins, it shows the same sort of "news" as Facebook, Twitter, etc. (ie: a lot of rubbish and spam)
It is however more feature rich than Twitter and must be much cheaper than to take over Facebook. If we just forget about the Professional-only angle, it is equally valid as a social networking site.
Maybe MS wants to buy a direct advertising route to people who may spend money on Skype calls (rather than Viber, Whatsapp or other VoIP that are only in iTunes and Google Play)
Maybe MS wants to mix up Skype, MSN and Linkedin to regain the sort of market and mindshare share it had in the days of MSN Messenger. Or they just accepted they need to spend 26Bn dollars to ensure that there is one large social network with a Windows Phone native app.
but it wouldn't avert the shooting. Just reduce the severity.
If you re optimistic, yes. Another possibility is that instead of 1 good guy with a gun being a hero and living another day, you could have 4 guys attempting to be heroes and failing, causing even more panic and more victims. It's a tough one.
When this sort of thing happens in Africa, the governments and UN work on a nation-wide disarmament. A lot of civilians would be unhappy but it would go ahead, with support from multi-national peacekeeping forces.
The fact it is a popular venue for gay people does not make it even a tiny bit more adequate for random gun owners to take action - we're talking about a dark place, with loud music and probably a lot of drunken patrons. Some survivors report they thought at first the sound was from music rather than gunfire. It's not difficult to imagine even more casualties if drunk people stop dancing and start shooting each other.
Ah! But what makes you think that the rest of my food intake is protein deficient? Surely my strength training does not depend only on the food ingested immediately before the trip to the gym.
It's something I've been trying too. Cardio while fasting works OK for me, but strength training fasted is too much of a sacrifice. I like training and don't want to ruin it.
What does Seat mean to the VW Group? What Bugatti models did people know before the Veyron? Are VW Golf made in the same factory as Audi A3? How were things at Skoda in the 10 years before VW Group bought them?
Aficionados will know a lot a bout their subject of choice, but the rest of us are guided by what clever brand marketers tell us and what we hear from other buyers. Nokia is a major brand worldwide and they can make a comeback in a variety of ways. I doubt they'll build from the ground up a major app ecosystem to make Apple and Google quake in fear, but it looks like there's plenty of money to be earned from building Android powered gadgets in China and selling them worldwide.
Ask random Joe on the street next year which phone they pick between Xiaomi, Lenovo and Nokia if they all have a 5" screen, run a current version of Android and carry a USD250 price tag.
erm... because outside of Slashdot and tinfoil_hats'r'us, that is not a buying consideration? Everyone in the market already has telemetry in devices they carry in their pockets, and to bed, and to the toilet.
Both companies make those products and make software which is then licensed (one off or as a subscription). I think that Microsoft's share of revenue from this sort of sale is significantly larger than the product lines from Apple that are standalone software/SaaS. I'd classify MS as a software house primarily while I see Apple as a retailer of software and media products first, and maker of consumer electronics second.
At present the Nissan Leaf that is sold in the UK has a range of 150 miles per charge in normal conditions, reduced to about half for winter weather. The difference between 150 and 300 mile base range can be seen as a good target for reliably using the car all year round even for someone commuting a few more miles than average Joe.
I don't normally try dialogue with Anonymous Coward, but I think that the blame big government+trickle down economics proponents need to explain a bit better how things will turn out OK now that the Panama Papers have leaked, rather than dismissing every problem as "government did it, my party didn't, there's no fixing it!"
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Activities and Societies: Rhetoric and argumentation John Carroll University John Carroll University BA, Philosophy 1997 – 2001
There isn't much money in preventing disease, but in parts of the world where healthcare is a job for the free market, this sort of thing is a political issue that attracts a lot of passionate people who shout at one another on FB and blogs. Big Pharma must secretly love those who oppose child vaccination campaigns and public healthcare provision.
Here's a more complete explanation: 1) use an email service for correspondence with friends and family: address1@whatever 2) use another address for everything else that requires subscribing to: ilikespam@whatever2 3) use suffixes to identify which service sends you email: ilikespam+electricbill@whatever2 ilikespam+netflix@whatever2...
Normal brainless spam will be picked up by your providers filters, with an assortment of false positives and false negatives, but the spear phishing people would need a much bigger effort to get to your real account and not be noticed as phishy.
True, but if you *always* append a unique name when you sign up for a new service, every company that emails you without a unique code is suspicious. Worth automating, IMHO.
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Oh yes, there's no doubt about the legitimacy of the result. The Leave.EU campaign has won, and not going ahead would need extraordinary reasons or someone *seriously* risking losing face.
However, the Irish had 2 votes for the Lisbon Treaty, the Dutch also had 2 votes. Things can change, and an economic crisis can trigger a change of strategy. There's easily 15 million voters unhappy with the result and if they initiate a new political movement, they can certainly can represent a threat of a demographic crisis on top of an economic crisis if they don't get a sweeter deal.
It's done. We're out, and we're now going to have to live with the consequences of that vote.
I'll disagree with that bit. The referendum is not legally binding and until the divorce paperwork is done, the UK is a member even if the other members decide to treat us like a cheating spouse :)
With Cameron resigning, his successor will have 2 years before a general election, during which it may become very clear that the Conservative party is deeply fractured because of this key policy. Same with Labour.
Some time is needed for government-capable parties to re-group and win a general election. It would surprise me if no new-new-Labour or new-Tory party presented themselves on a platform of NOT going ahead with the Brexit. Either alone, or in an alliance between Greens, LibDems and new-new-Labour.
In the meantime, Scotland is getting ready for a break up. If the Conservative party wanted this to have England all to themselves, it's working really well, except for the sudden dip in the markets, possibly to be followed by recession.
I prefer wearing a balaclava and always keep a black flag behind my desk with "lore ipsum..." text written in Arabic.
Harsh, but true.
I use a Nokia HB 121 bluetooth receiver which suits the way I want to use my gadgets (without the radio being against my head), but it is more complicated than just plugging the jack to the phone. If find the sound quality to be good enough compromise for the convenience of leaving the phone on the table/pocket/etc but in absolute terms it does not sound as clean as a direct connection.
Please never use Microsoft as a recommended licensing model. It's never the lesser evil, but I digress...
Just to clarify, I used the example of Microsoft enterprise licensing because it's the one I am familiar with and could well be related to what's happening in the original article. There's no recommendation on my part and I am fully aware that in the 1000+ product lines that Microsoft has/had there are many license types and variants and I don't know all there is about them. IANAL, etc, etc.
The situation is simple. The health provider is using software without a license, and the software developer refuses to issue a license. To draw an analogy,
If it's simple why do we need an analogy!? Why doesn't your analogy include cars???!?! (I'm joking).
I suspect that throughout the article there is an oversimplification in language, leading to the omission of the type of contracts in question - this is probably NOT about a software license. Instead I thin it is about a maintenance and support entitlement that the company does not wish to extend, while the customer might be prevented by law and insurance audits to use a business critical piece of software without it being somehow under a reliable and enforceable support agreement. Microsoft (probably) are not a party to this agreement but get named here because the vendor cannot seriously commit to any suitable support SLA due to every MS component that underlies their 'solution' being itself obsolete and out of support.
I'd say both both. It might be a court case to get the state of South Australia to pay their last bill and then cancel the existing contract without penalty to the supplier.
I'm not a big fan of replying to AC, but here goes....
When enterprise-grade software is supplied, normally there are plenty of contractual terms that go with it. Requiring that the whole stack (operating system, database, application, whatever else) is under current support from the suppliers is a good demand in exchange for offering guarantees of break-fix support. The company providing support for the patient care component does not want to have the customer making claims of breach of SLA when the database component failed and its respective supplier has halted development and won't take new trouble tickets for the specific version in use since 10 years ago.
In the MS world of licensing where I have some modest experience, I've seen that it is common for MS to charge an annual maintenance fee in return for a number of entitlements for the user. Things like access to patches and upgrade rights (ie: you don't buy the software licence again when a new version comes up, just grab the new version and move on) are not unusual. On top of this, I've also seen independent software vendors and MS technology partners build up more stuff that goes on top of the MS product that was licensed in the first place. These vendors sometimes use the same model of maintenance payments every year to have some sort of cash coming from those customers who bought additional software or customisations to the base product. If the maintenance payments are not made to MS, they do not switch things off (to my knowledge at least) but if the customer changes their mind, MS will charge lapsed years or ask for a new licence to be purchased. Independent vendors may have their own policies in relation to the software they develop on the MS application/stack.
Having read both articles (wow!), I get the impression that while this state in Australia used to be but is no longer a large customer account. They are really the only people using this software any more, and it is a pain in the backside to make a proper upgrade path just for them. They opted out of incremental upgrades, and now a big bang will look expensive and complicated. It is also possible that the software vendor is under obligation to offer guarantees IF they do offer another year or more of maintenance or extend the licence for their software. In what appears to be an exercise in bridge burning, they want the customer to stop using their software unless they completely replace it with a supported version. It's not very Microsoft-y thing to do, but between MS licensing rules, independent vendor licensing rules and specific contracts made when this deal was a big one for a whole state in Australia, this might have exceptional treatment agreed somewhere.
To me it looks like both parties want out of the contract they have and the company going to court is another way to put pressure on the other side.
Some have written in this forum that this would never be a problem if they just used open source software, which is IMHO optimistic. Legacy crap is complicated for everyone, 10 or 20 years of it will make anyone want to have a fresh start. To paraphrase another favourite AC of mine, they really should go with supported apps, that get upgraded and updated on the fly by a cloud services provider. Legacy programmes can be a pain in the backside, compared to centrally managed apps. Cloud! Apps!
I think than MS likes to sell loads of licenses and the make a software fix rather than having the extra costs from policing every OEM under the sun. :)
How would MS deal with this if the OEM has physical access to the hardware and does need to provide drivers and supporting software for many combinations of components?
All they can do is make life complicated to all their sales channels and have more machines sold without a "MS approved" sticker. Not a winning proposition. It is best to sell Surfaces without crapware, and Xboxes with Windows 10 compatibility. Essentially, to be more like Apple and Google and sell vertically integrated product/services.
What worries me more than social media becoming the primary source, is the idea that we should only read be interested in things we are already interested in.
me too!
More seriously, the quality of comments on newspaper sites is getting too close to the hater vs fanboy arguments that make Youtube and Facebook comments unreadable, and what makes Twitter a place for abuse and bullying more often than anything else.
If these circumstances dictate that it's normal to just abuse other people in case of disagreement, finding refuge in group-think is not that crazy. Perhaps it has always been like this, people who vote similarly read the same news sources and congregate with like-minded people only. The internet just makes groups bigger and makes these behaviours more obvious to the observer.
Probably Mr Goatse was right all along.
Where is the revenue stream in that?
I'm also wondering why MS wants Linkedin (and why would Linkedin need to sell out), and there's some very faint clues:
1) Linkedin is the only large social networking site that does have paid membership;
2) While it has B2B origins, it shows the same sort of "news" as Facebook, Twitter, etc. (ie: a lot of rubbish and spam)
It is however more feature rich than Twitter and must be much cheaper than to take over Facebook. If we just forget about the Professional-only angle, it is equally valid as a social networking site.
Maybe MS wants to buy a direct advertising route to people who may spend money on Skype calls (rather than Viber, Whatsapp or other VoIP that are only in iTunes and Google Play)
Maybe MS wants to mix up Skype, MSN and Linkedin to regain the sort of market and mindshare share it had in the days of MSN Messenger. Or they just accepted they need to spend 26Bn dollars to ensure that there is one large social network with a Windows Phone native app.
but it wouldn't avert the shooting. Just reduce the severity.
If you re optimistic, yes. Another possibility is that instead of 1 good guy with a gun being a hero and living another day, you could have 4 guys attempting to be heroes and failing, causing even more panic and more victims. It's a tough one.
When this sort of thing happens in Africa, the governments and UN work on a nation-wide disarmament. A lot of civilians would be unhappy but it would go ahead, with support from multi-national peacekeeping forces.
The fact it is a popular venue for gay people does not make it even a tiny bit more adequate for random gun owners to take action - we're talking about a dark place, with loud music and probably a lot of drunken patrons. Some survivors report they thought at first the sound was from music rather than gunfire. It's not difficult to imagine even more casualties if drunk people stop dancing and start shooting each other.
Ah! But what makes you think that the rest of my food intake is protein deficient? Surely my strength training does not depend only on the food ingested immediately before the trip to the gym.
It's something I've been trying too. Cardio while fasting works OK for me, but strength training fasted is too much of a sacrifice. I like training and don't want to ruin it.
"You didn't really answer his point as you dont say what you do between 4:30 and 5:45."
Yo momma!
Silly car-related questions:
What does Seat mean to the VW Group?
What Bugatti models did people know before the Veyron?
Are VW Golf made in the same factory as Audi A3?
How were things at Skoda in the 10 years before VW Group bought them?
Aficionados will know a lot a bout their subject of choice, but the rest of us are guided by what clever brand marketers tell us and what we hear from other buyers. Nokia is a major brand worldwide and they can make a comeback in a variety of ways. I doubt they'll build from the ground up a major app ecosystem to make Apple and Google quake in fear, but it looks like there's plenty of money to be earned from building Android powered gadgets in China and selling them worldwide.
Ask random Joe on the street next year which phone they pick between Xiaomi, Lenovo and Nokia if they all have a 5" screen, run a current version of Android and carry a USD250 price tag.
erm... because outside of Slashdot and tinfoil_hats'r'us, that is not a buying consideration? Everyone in the market already has telemetry in devices they carry in their pockets, and to bed, and to the toilet.
Both companies make those products and make software which is then licensed (one off or as a subscription). I think that Microsoft's share of revenue from this sort of sale is significantly larger than the product lines from Apple that are standalone software/SaaS. I'd classify MS as a software house primarily while I see Apple as a retailer of software and media products first, and maker of consumer electronics second.
At present the Nissan Leaf that is sold in the UK has a range of 150 miles per charge in normal conditions, reduced to about half for winter weather. The difference between 150 and 300 mile base range can be seen as a good target for reliably using the car all year round even for someone commuting a few more miles than average Joe.
I don't normally try dialogue with Anonymous Coward, but I think that the blame big government+trickle down economics proponents need to explain a bit better how things will turn out OK now that the Panama Papers have leaked, rather than dismissing every problem as "government did it, my party didn't, there's no fixing it!"
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Education
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
PhD, Science & Technology Studies
2003 – 2006
Activities and Societies: Science Policy; History of Science and Technology; International Research; Science and Technology in Society.
Wayne State University
Wayne State University
MA, Communication Studies
2001 – 2003
Activities and Societies: Rhetoric and argumentation
John Carroll University
John Carroll University
BA, Philosophy
1997 – 2001
There isn't much money in preventing disease, but in parts of the world where healthcare is a job for the free market, this sort of thing is a political issue that attracts a lot of passionate people who shout at one another on FB and blogs. Big Pharma must secretly love those who oppose child vaccination campaigns and public healthcare provision.
Here's a more complete explanation: ...
1) use an email service for correspondence with friends and family: address1@whatever
2) use another address for everything else that requires subscribing to: ilikespam@whatever2
3) use suffixes to identify which service sends you email:
ilikespam+electricbill@whatever2
ilikespam+netflix@whatever2
Normal brainless spam will be picked up by your providers filters, with an assortment of false positives and false negatives, but the spear phishing people would need a much bigger effort to get to your real account and not be noticed as phishy.
True, but if you *always* append a unique name when you sign up for a new service, every company that emails you without a unique code is suspicious. Worth automating, IMHO.