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In the Aftermath Of Brexit, Brits Google About Irish Passport, Meaning Of EU, and Why it All Happened
As the world makes peace with the news that the United Kingdom has voted to leave the European Union, people in the UK are increasingly trying to figure out what this means. Google noted on Twitter late Thursday that "What is the EU?" was the second top UK question on the EU since the news broke, with "Why did Britain leave the EU?" being the first. The questions also speak volume about the awareness of the issue among them. Understandably, some people also resorted to the search engine to look for Irish passports. "Getting an Irish passport" keywords saw a 100% surge.
too dumb to decide their own future.
Since Britain left Europe... does that mean it's a continent now?
manishs, I don't come here for some random single paragraph from you with no citations, references, follow-up reading material, or even a basic inclination about why we should care. Yeah, the brexit stuff is big news. You've done exactly nothing to try to shed light on the very questions you ask. How's about you find something, then post it.
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Scotland seems to want to stay in the EU:
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling...
Will the Kingdoms become Ununited, as Jasper Fforde shows:
http://www.jasperfforde.com/dr...
Voters rightfully want to control their country's own destiny without having to cater to some international rule-making body a thousand miles away. I feel the same about the World Trade Organization. Why are THEY making decisions for Americans?
True, voters are not always rational (Iraq cough), but people naturally want control and would rather make their own mistakes than let some world body far away make them instead.
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Does this mean Ireland is the Canada of Great Britain?
Maybe those in power really do know what they're doing.
Are you sure that's not an euphemism for for something immoral and/or illegal?
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I've found this BBC coverage to be very helpful
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-32810887
What happens now?
For the UK to leave the EU it has to invoke an agreement called Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.
Cameron or his successor needs to decide when to invoke this - that will then set in motion the formal legal process of withdrawing from the EU, and give the UK two years to negotiate its withdrawal.
The article has only been in force since late 2009 and it hasn't been tested yet, so no-one really knows how the Brexit process will work, according to BBC legal correspondent Clive Coleman.
Mr Cameron, who has said he would be stepping down as PM by October, said he will go to the European Council next week to "explain the decision the British people have taken".
EU law still stands in the UK until it ceases being a member - and that process could take some time.
The UK will continue to abide by EU treaties and laws, but not take part in any decision-making, as it negotiates a withdrawal agreement and the terms of its relationship with the now 27 nation bloc.
I remember someone talking about wanting to migrate to the US and they had a dual Irish and UK citizenship and I was like, "Wow...you gain no real advantage with those two what-so-ever."
Well....now that person does! :-P
There are a ton-o-british people living in the EU that will soon need to apply for immigration where they did
What we've seen happen in the UK reflects what we're also seeing happening in the United States. Average people are stick and tired with the leftist political status quo, especially on crucial issues like immigration and economics.
The leftist academics and leftist elites who push for unbridled immigration and socialist policies are either totally insulated, or directly benefit from, what they're pushing on the rest of society, at the expense of the rest of society.
We have bureaucrats and politicians who benefit from higher taxes and unlimited immigration, yet they don't face any of the harm that average people have to face thanks to these policies.
We need to remember that many business leaders are also best considered to be leftists, even if they may wear the cloak of being rightists. They support higher taxation of others, they support unlimited immigration, and they support the government throwing other people's money at them.
The average people of the UK have clearly had enough of this tyrannical leftism, hence the outcome of the referendum.
We are seeing the same in the US. Trump represents the first hope that the American people as a whole have had to escape from the leftist politicians, academics and business leaders who have been in control for decades now.
What we're seeing in the UK and soon the US is a global rejection of the leftism that has been subjugating people in the developed, and even the developing, world for so long now.
Shouldn't they have been looking all this up BEFORE they voted?
All the British want is control of their borders. They are a nation after all.
"The questions also speak volume about the awareness of the issue among them."
What the fuck does that even mean?
like you see with trump in the usa
and, like trump, it's financially and politically retarded
scotland will leave, and northern ireland may, and britain will suffer a number of financial costs it has to pay now
so now britain is significantly poorer and weaker
all because some old morons don't like immigrants
the real issue is why these people are so angry, and the obvious answer is they feel poor while they perceive immigrants as coddled
and they are poor... because of plutocratic abuses, not immigrants
plutocratic abuses the political *left* has answers to
but the old morons reject the left for various stupid and propagandistic reasons
like americans rejecting universal healthcare, even though it's far cheaper and equal or higher quality. because "capitalism." when it's just cronyism
old poor morons like plutocrats to have gold toilets i guess, and are too fucking stupid to see how or why that's all their uneducated opinions lead to
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Up with Boris Johnson! Up with Nigel Farage!
sed s/with/yours
Sorry, just having a bit of fun...
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
From TFA:
"What is the EU?" and "What happens if we leave the EU?" The former was the second top UK question on the EU after the results were officially announced.
Seriously, shouldn't they have been asking this before they voted?
It's mostly anecdotal at this point but there already seems to be a lot of buyers remorse. Thoughts on the possibility they'll have a follow-up "are you really sure?" referendum or at least an election where one of the parties campaigns on ignoring the result.
I stole this Sig
On all mainstream media channels here (some U.S. vasall country) I can read how horrible the British voters are, how they are old, grumpy, white (that's not racism, because whites are not the victims according to the mainstream media communists), backwards, non-educated and uncool they are.
I guess it would all be better if a small cabal of Banksters (let's call them a 'soviet') would make decisions like this. Then paradise on earth would break out.
Regarding Google - they are by now on the same league as Obama and Clinton. And they are as rotten as these folks. They work for their Bankster friends.
We know you evil folks ever since you stole our children. We defeated you in the Teutoburg forest. Now you have teamed up with the Mohammedists who shamelessly talk about human rights while murdering innocents.
You can't be modest, you need to die in your own hellhole.
Small countries are much easier to govern than these monsters which were created for military reasons only.
You seriously want to suggest the EU, a bunch of socialist losers, was adding value to the UK ?
The EU exists as a tool for control of the U.S. over western Europe, that is why Obama was so superconcerned.
You can still do trade with those parts of the Europe which are not infected by Marxist delusions (e.g. Holland, parts of Germany, Belarus, Poland etc).
And the Marxists like Spain stop to drag you down. Clear win.
This is just a repeat of the failure of the League of Nations.
Once Trump Makes America Great Again, the US will go full-on isolationist, allowing Russia, China & Iran to operate unopposed on the world playing field.
100 million sexually frustrated Chinamen that can't find wives aren't going to just go away peacefully.
Me, I'm just hanging around this corner waiting to see the Archduke drive by.
And this time we have nukes.
Are you in the UK? Do you know what happens here? Do you know what the damnable muslims have done? They rape our women, they demand concessions like zero pork products in schools, which also means English children are forbidden to bring their own lunch with pork. No one is allowed to speak up against islam, but those days ended yesterday. A nice, healthy nationalism will emerge, where the English are in charge of their own destiny. No more taking in the sodden camel jockeys, who have paid nothing into the system, but live off the dole, take housing meant for the English, did I mention rape our women. buy old monument chapels and churches and use them for the Godforsaken worship of their false god, allah and his child-raping prophet, mohammed. Fuck them. This is England -- a white, northern European country that deserves to set her own agenda, not one of globalism from Belgium. Look at the EU. Immigration has destroyed the EU in the last couple of years. It's unsafe to walk so many cities now. muslim men demand no beer be sold within their sight, even though this is Europe, not Turdistan. Fuck the muslims. They have done more to ruin England and Europe in just a few years. Call me a bigot. This is England! You want to come here? Assimilate. Speak English, keep your head down, cause zero trouble, leave our women alone. This is England.
Swap out Jews for Muslims and you've got a rant there that Hitler would have been proud of. Only took 70 years, but of course most of the people alive when this kind of fascist nationalism grew into power in the 30s are dead now anyway, so no one really remembers anymore.
You're using a non-English map. That's where lies your problem. On English maps, British Isles are about fifty miles East and South of Nova Scotia and Newfoundland.
I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of killer sig, which this margin is too narrow to contain.
The Scottish are definitely hot to get their share of Merkel's Mohammedist Invasion. That makes a boatload of sense.
You really had better scare stories, once.
This was an advisory referendum only, with no force of law. The United Kingdom is not obligated to leave the EU.
Yes, a pro-separation change in government will soon take place. However, the more forcefully that the new government pushes for a full departure, the more forcefully Scotland and Northern Ireland will attempt to disentangle themselves from the United Kingdom.
Northern Ireland in particular might see a real increase in sectarian violence if EU separation is not handled with great care, so internal security and continental policy will become even deeper-entwined. These forces will certainly blunt immediate impulses towards separation.
The EU bureaucracy has allowed a large, hostile contingent to form in several European nations. Perhaps now an inward gaze, compelled by credible criticism, can form a more perfect union.
There are literally no more houses left here as it is.
Surely the abortion ship has still some deck chairs left?
plutocratic abuses the political *left* has answers to
At least in America, there's a sense that "the left" has been taken over by a demographic that 30 years ago would have been solidly Republican -- well educated, high salary professionals who are socially liberal (pro gun control, pro choice, pro gay rights) and often second or third generation of a similar demographic and see themselves as winners of the modern information economy and believe that its open to everyone who gets a college education.
The label that used to be applied to them was "limousine liberal" although I think historically that applied to liberals who were in fact independently wealthy rich. I think the current iteration of this group is a wider demographic that includes a lot of generically white collar types who aren't that rich, but are instead at the high end of the middle class demographic.
To the aggrieved element of the population, they see these people as favoring social positions (like immigration and free trade) that leave them behind, and see these members of the "left" as isolated and living in a bubble, backing policies that don't affect their affluent suburban lifestyles.
I think this situational analysis (which I'm paraphrasing from others) is mostly right and represents a lot of what you see in the Hillary/Bernie split. Hillary is socially liberal but basically backs the kind of status quo, nominally liberal power structure, where Bernie is much more of an advocate of traditionally leftist economic policies. Trump supporters are those less socially liberal than Bernie supporters but in their own grasping, ill-informed way want a kind of more socially conservative version of Sanders' economics -- pro-gun, but anti-immigration, skeptical of gay rights, but critical of corporate power, especially as it pertains to jobs-related questions.
like americans rejecting universal healthcare, even though it's far cheaper and equal or higher quality. because "capitalism." when it's just cronyism
Americans were never even given the choice for universal healthcare. Instead, token-ass reforms combined with the attitude that because foreign countries do something, they must be worse than America, but since Americans hate their own healthcare system, well, that just makes Americans even more determined to fix their own system rather than reform it in a substantially effective manner.
That's why Americans believe that their medical care is the best in the world, and never notice the price.
Except for the fact that Jews weren't actually raping women and otherwise controlling and terrorizing the German public. Trying to equate the Muslim invasion of Europe with Jews in 1930's Germany is obvious antisemitism.
The British should simply accept the Mohammedist invasion that Merkel, Albright and Soros have agreed upon. NOT.
very well said
thank you
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I admit I lack knowledge of all this, comments from forums, FB, etc. seems to be those outside UK say it is dumb decision, those in UK say it is a smart decision.
A friend from UK posted this:
"Congratulations to my Brexit pals in the UK. A decision that came down to a number of factors, economy, immigration and The Big One -- the gulf between the Haves and the "Have Nots". Brexit will hopefully be a tsunami of political and social change that benefits the US. Because right now its politics as usual backed by a monied "screw everyone else" attitude."
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...the globalist agenda doesn't stand a chance!
Is a member of the 1%, of folks like Merkel, Nuland, Albright, Clinton, Bush. Folks who think it is their prerogative to run over other people's interests, even if they are 99% of people. Corbyn is a worshipper of a Bankster Ideology, Marxism. So he is one of the losers the Banksters have coopted.
Good riddance to these traitors and well done by the British People !
yes
and obviously it's ignorant
americans are feeding crony financial parasites and getting nothing in return "because capitalism" when it's not capitalism at all
and never can be capitalism: capitalism is pretty wonderful but only works in certain economic sectors. it's not magic unicorn farts you sprinkle on anything and then everything is fixed because magic, which is unfortunately the extent of many americans' understanding of capitalism
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
It was evident when you stuck your nose in.
Irrelevant. My point is that not only is London closer physically to Brussels & Paris than it is to Sunderland, in many ways it's closer culturally & economically.
You mean I should be obese, believe in a non-existent bearded man in the sky and shit myself if I'm not allowed to walk round Walmart carrying a bazooka in case a coloured person gives you a funny look?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
The jews were killing people by the tens of thousands and had a "holy book" full of brutish commandments ? There were military units of jews on the rampage to kill thousands of non-jews every day ?
Keep trying, Marxists+Mohammedists.
The EU isn't the country with delusions of grandeur here.
These folks have absolutely no conscience, no mercy no concept of consistency. That would be "rightwing", ya know.
Like their friends 1917 in Russia or 1789 in France, they lie, cheat, kill, torture and maim. Just for raw political power.
The rot started in Sparta. Study them, study the roman emperors and their sexual perversions. Study how it brought them down. Get rid of the TV, it is their major tool of controlling the masses.
And have a gun ready, or be a victim like millions of Russians were.
..of a Bankster Operative. That's your tripe.
The EU is just enjoying its growing pains. The US had a similar, but far less civilized, debate about the same thing from 1860-1864. The "slavery" thing was a mere sideshow. The issue of states' rights was the main question, and more specifically, whether states had the rights to secede. Apparently the EU allows that without a fight. The US does not, but fought a very bloody war to make that determination.
I'm Canadian and no Canadian talks like that. Is that you Trudeau
What's the fundamental difference between being an EU member and having a trade deal with the EU? For example, is it theoretically possible to strike a deal that provides basically the same payment vs benefits as an EU member?
I would think one possible progression is for the UK to negotiate a deal with the EU that isn't actually that different from what is already in place. Pressure from Scotland and N. Ireland would be the main drivers for such a deal, perhaps.
Just wondering if the outcome of all this is basically the UK gaining some more latitude, but overall just an incremental change.
sadly
As an American who frequently visits Europe, all you need is to enter the EU via a country which has a visa waiver treaty. They check your passport, and grant you an instant 90 day visa. Once you're in an EU country, you're free to cross the borders into other EU countries - there are no more border checks. About the only things an EU passport gets you is the right to stand in the EU line at immigration (which is sometimes faster than the visitor line), and the ability to stay more than 90 days without renewing or applying for a longer-term visa.
After the UK leaves, it'll have to negotiate these waiver treaties, which might take a few years. But afterwards it'll be the same as before for 80% of travelers, except now there will be a border checkpoint at the Chunnel. The other 20% will be traveling on business, so it remains to be seen what'll happen there. I would imagine both sides will be anxious to renegotiate free trade or almost-free trade treaties ASAP to minimize the economic impact in both the UK and EU.
The summary headline is:
"In the Aftermath Of Brexit, Brits Google About Irish Passport, Meaning Of EU, and Why it All Happened"
Wouldn't it have made more sense to have "google" lowercase, and leave out the "About".
Something like this:
"In the Aftermath Of Brexit, Brits google Irish Passport, Meaning Of EU, and Why it All Happened"
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
They where if you believed the right wing press at the time, just like you believe the same about muslims while being spoon fed by the current right wing press
Yep, this sounds like a very good analysis which it seems very few people have figured out, strangely.
AFAICT, Trump supporters are mostly motivated by the immigration issue, and otherwise are a pretty broad group, comprising both evangelicals and other Christians who are basically looking the other way on Trump's obvious lack of religion, as well as others who are more of a libertarian bent socially and don't care about LGBT stuff (i.e., they really don't care which bathroom trans people use, just like Trump doesn't), but support him for his more nationalistic economics and anti-immigration stance.
Hillary backs socially liberal policies (mainly because it's politically expedient for her--the "limousine liberals" support them now so she does too), but economically she's a neocon and a warhawk.
Sanders' main issue is income inequality, so while he also supports socially liberal policies, he also pushes economic policies that are more to the left, which Hillary simply doesn't.
Sometimes I wonder how things would have been different if Sanders had adopted an anti-immigration (not quite like Trump's "build a wall", but ones that sounds not too extremist) position, but kept everything else the same. Would he have gotten a lot more support from Trump voters? I kinda doubt it because that crowd typically also turns up its nose at many socialist policies (but don't suggest messing with their Social Security!!), but you never know.
Wait...the "right-wing press" fabricated incidents like this?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
Got it.
The murdering in Syria is all a vast right wing conspiracy and your country is benevolent.
Merkel is the NWO protagonist in western Europe and she does all the she can to further the agenda of the Global 1%.
Whenever push comes to shove, she decides.
Merkel made the decision to Mohammedize Germany, because she has no kids and her plan is to retire to her people in Jerusalem. That is what she more or less openly says.
You are a traitor to your own people and you have allied yourself with the Mohammedist Brutes and you are a communist ?
The Mohammedists pay you and your friends off, so that they have Carte Blanche for mass murder in Syria ?
Yeah. 2016 Marxist.
The Irish passport gets them into the rest of the EU. Just offer them a free pint if they keep moving through the transit area of the airport.
If the EU had any intrinsic value, they would collectively stand up against Merkel's Madness. Instead, they worship her and he 1% friends and relatives. That means the EU leadership supports the Mohammedization of Europe.
Mohammed's ideology is more dangerous than that of Marx, because they know how to handle money and offsprings. But their goal is equally jealous and deadly: Whoever does not believe in Mohammedism or Marxism is to be persecuted, super-taxed and eventually killed.
That's what Merkel and her Brussels, NY and London friends want.
So - Good Riddance To The E.U.
Europe will be relieved if the E.U. dies as quickly as possible.
Sorry, but that left has had its ass kicked hard by the SJWs and no longer has any influence in the mainstream culture. Here's what the left stands for today:
* pro-gun control ONLY FOR U.S. CITIZENS, while at the same time giving guns to Mexican gangs (Fast and Furious) and al-Qaeda (Benghazi)
* pro-choice? Ha! Force people who don't want abortions to pay for other people's abortions. Force all taxpayers to fund party-in-power activist groups that happen to advocate for abortion, whether they agree with the position or not. No, you don't get a choice.
* gay rights? Do gays get the right of self defense after Orlando? NO! Do gays get the respect of a moment of silence? HELL NO!
* Is the information society open to everyone? NO! There are too many WHITE MALES! White males must be fired and replaced by unqualified women and minorities. All employees of the company must swear that this is a good policy or they are the first ones out the door. Every company must have a political officer at the executive level to ensure that all employees know what social movements they are to support so that they may properly express their commitment to diversity. Insufficient commitment to diversity is grounds for dismissal. The federal government may sue any companies that fail to comply.
* Immigration is good? It's not good enough! Explicitly support illegal immigration! Support the smugglers and the drug gangs! Oppose any attempt to monitor the border in any way!
* Free trade? Only for monopolies! Support the TPP! Let corporations sue governments for having pesky labor laws and environmental laws that interfere with corporate profits!
This is the mainstream left today. This is what the Democratic Party stands for today. You see it in the temper tantrum they threw in Congress. A vote for Hillary Clinton means wackjob SJWs on the Supreme Court. These ideas are coming down from her billionaire funders Soros and Pritzker and Stryker and Gates, pushed by the armies of marketers that they fund.
That technocratic left that you and I like that stands for equality and meritocracy? We get no say in the national conversation. They call us right-wing and call us bigoted Trump supporters even if we're more like Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein.
Th problem is the voter turn out was greater in aged population slice than younger, and the younger population slice wanted to remain, whole the older one wanted to screw it all for the younger generation. And because there were more older people voting (like in any election) you see why the turn out is less relevant than the age of the voters. One could argue that the younger voter did bring it upon themselves, but still that does not absolve any of the older voter to be curmudgeon not understanding how economy and the EU works.
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Sometimes I wonder how things would have been different if Sanders had adopted an anti-immigration (not quite like Trump's "build a wall", but ones that sounds not too extremist) position, but kept everything else the same.
I think it's only a matter of time before someone mixes and matches political positions in a way that adds up to a majority. I think Trump has demonstrated that strict adherence to traditional evangelical social agendas isn't necessary for being "conservative", just as the Clintons have demonstrated that a strict adherence to socialistic welfare policies isn't necessary to be "liberal". Sanders managed to appear more liberal than Clinton without pandering to minorities.
In a lot of ways, I think the public at large is:
* OK with gays, but skeptical of the deeper end of the equation where you get into transgender bathroom use
* OK with gun ownership beyond just hunting, but skeptical of the paramilitary stylings of gun activists
* Believes in women's equality generally, but is turned off by the shriller feminist voices
* Doesn't want to throw people in jail over pot, but has reservations about mass-marketing stoner culture
* Thinks abortion is a sad outcome, but secretly hopes its available if they need it
* Isn't anti-black, but believes poor, urban blacks are a wellspring of criminality
* Isn't xenophobic, but fearful of poor immigrants undermining communities, demanding special privileges and not assimilating
* Thinks corporations are too powerful, but is skeptical of government regulation
I think either party is probably capable of shifting on these issues to their benefit, but both parties face vocal interest groups who won't allow enough movement on any of them to capture the advantage. Someone eventually will, though.
The miles thing was a short-cut way to imply it's also a different culture and a different group of people, without getting wordy. Maybe I should have used "remote". I agree I worded it poorly.
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Hitler wasn't entirely wrong. Liberals just don't want to admit it.
Why should WHO dictate what USA can do?
Because USA uses WHO to force other nations to do what USA wants. In return for that the WHO dictates that USA has to play by the same rules. If the USA does not want to take advantage of WHO, then there is a simple step to take: get out of WHO. But that is not what the USA wants, now is it? What USA wants is to have its cake and to eat it too.
Hitler wasn't entirely wrong. The liberal elite and SJW agenda have been trying to suppress this fact but no more! The tides have turned! Long live the white Saxon English!
Who said humans are rational.
In the US, we waste a lot of resources on cars because we want the "freedom" and "control" of where and when we go and how much leg room we get, etc.
Cars in the more populated areas are expensive and wasteful in terms of waiting in traffic, cost, parking space, mass pavement costs, pollution, global warming, deaths, and a host of other things. Look at all the space wasted on parking lots.
If we put even half of those resources into public transportation instead, transportation would be far more efficient. Cars are simply not logical in non-rural areas, at least not for most everyday tasks.
But why does it prevail? We want Freedom & Control
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It's unsafe to walk so many cities now.
The only unsafe cities to walk in in Europe are the british. Always was and probably always will be.
Immigration has destroyed the EU in the last couple of years
The immigrants into UK are coming from Commonwealth countries. They don't get into the EU. And the EU immigrants right now coming via Syria are not going to the UK.
The EU is fine and striving. Nothing was destroyed.
The UK has no EU related "immigration problem".
You are either a troll (would be a plus)
A payed agitator (would be sad)
Or an idiot (can't be helped).
leave our women alone.
So if I come to England, I may not look for an english GF, lover, spouse? Are you retarded?
You do know why/how the Vikings conquered large parts of the british islands? They shaved. They bathed. They changed clothes at least once a week.
Unlike the "ur british natives".
The women _loved_ the vikings, the saxons and the danish.
If you can not get a british girl to love you, perhaps you don't love her? Perhaps you don't deserve her? Perhaps you are just: shit?
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
I suspected that Putin is funding many of the nationalist right wing groups in Europe. In other words, he likes stirring the shit. Brexit doesn't benefit the UK or Europe or even the US. It doesn't help when austerity is punishing the working class all across Europe and their voices are being ignored. It makes them easy marks for nationalist and right wing groups and con men. As the UK begins to negotiate its exit the EU will play hardball because if they make concessions, other countries might bolt too. A disunited Europe is exactly what Putin craves for. And if the US chooses the wrong president, it won't be their to help hold Europe together.
On a separate but related note: Texas secessionists are smart enough to understand what Brexit is and have been emboldened by it. Expect to hear more about Texit if Hillary becomes president.
"You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
"moving to Canada" and similar. Speaking as an Australian, I think we need to keep out these white northern trash economic refugees or they might steal our jobs.
Before the referendum most of Google's responses were lies.
The English are a stolid, stubborn, fearless lot.
Churchill knew this.
Project Fear was doomed.
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As the Chinese curse goes, we begin to live interesting times,
The "slavery" thing was a mere sideshow
Hardly.
The reason the Union fought a war against the Confederacy was to ensure that the Confederate states remained a part of the Union, sure. So the war was about states' rights to secede.
The issue the Confederacy seceded over, however, was slavery. Sure, you can spin it as "states' rights to allow slavery or not", but still. That was the cause of the secession in the first place.
The war was fought over whether or not to allow the secession. The secession happened over whether or not to allow slavery.
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
For fun (?), I've replaced every instance of "English" in GP's rant with "German", and "Muslim" with "Jew", etc:
Are you in Germany? Do you know what happens here? Do you know what the damnable jews have done? They rape our women, they demand concessions like zero pork products in schools, which also means German children are forbidden to bring their own lunch with pork. No one is allowed to speak up against jews, but those days ended yesterday. A nice, healthy nationalism will emerge, where the Germans are in charge of their own destiny. No more taking in the sodden camel jockeys, who have paid nothing into the system, but live off the dole, take housing meant for the Germans, did I mention rape our women. buy old monument chapels and churches and use them for the Godforsaken worship of their false god, yahweh and his child-raping prophet, moses. Fuck them. This is Germany -- a white, northern European country that deserves to set her own agenda, not one of globalism from Belgium. Look at the EU. Immigration has destroyed the EU in the last couple of years. It's unsafe to walk so many cities now. jewish men demand no beer be sold within their sight, even though this is Europe, not Turdistan. Fuck the jews. They have done more to ruin Germany and Europe in just a few years. Call me a bigot. This is Germany! You want to come here? Assimilate. Speak German, keep your head down, cause zero trouble, leave our women alone. This is Germany.
Heil Cameron, I guess?
-Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of all Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
I'm not quite sure why I am replying to such a racist rant, but I wanted to point out that the vast majority of Muslims in the UK are from South Asia. This immigration had nothing to do with the EU, but was possible because of the Commonwealth.
I think the OP was being ironic.
During the Cold War era there was a joke about a western visitor going through Poland/Hungary/East-Germany looking at the cars and noticing something weird. There were no steering wheels. When he finally asked about it, the answer was "The steering wheels are all in Moscow".
Similarly, the EU is now effectively run by unelected bureaucrats (aka "Euro-crats") in Brussels who were grabbing more and more power from elected governments. When people complained about local problems, they were told that no solution was possible, because they had to follow EU regulations.
Case in point, "record breaking floods" in recent years. The "Euro-crats" blamed them on "global warming", which was a lie. The true cause...
* before EU, British local authorities dredged local rivers and dumped the debris out to sea
* with EU regulations, that became a no-no, and the debris had to be stored on land. I.e. it became illegal to move mud from the bottom of the river to the bottom of the English Channel.
* England is crowded, and real-estate is insanely expensive.
* Dredging became insanely expensive
* Local authorities stopped dredging local rivers, because they couldn't afford the increased costs
* After several years of not being dredged, rivers started overflowing their banks every time they got hit with a moderate rainfall... well... like... dohhh.
I'm not repeating myself
I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
These sites took a day off from their usual "Europeans are infinitely wiser than Americans in every possible way" to add "Except for British voters."
There wasn't a net win globally; the third-worlder isn't all that much better off than before, and may actually be much worse off
When I was a growing up I was watching news stories about mass famines in china, in the intervening 4-5 decades China has dragged more people above the poverty line than the rest of the world combined. It is now the 2nd largest economy in the world. Also, despite the lies your nostalgia tells you, the standard of living in the west is a lot higher than it was in the 60's.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
Many Jews shouldn't have tried to invade a country and bend it's culture and politics to its will either.
Weimar decadence might be thought of something quaint nowadays, but it wasn't ... child prostitution was rampant. Jewish film makers and sexologists played a huge part in that. At the same time Jews played a large part in trying to push a communist revolution in Germany, while the Cheka with very many Jews was murdering it's way through groups in Eastern Europe (the massive Ukranian anti-semitism after occupation was hardly surprising).
Jews really were the Muslims of their time. We shouldn't have let them in, would have been better for all involved.
Maybe this will wake all those up from their dreary slumber and instill a bit of responsibility as an important member of being a part of the public community by and large. Voting is damn important and god be further damned you cast your vote and you don't understand the consequences. Then understand that your civil liberties have been eroded by a history of stupid votes. You make your bed blah blah
Obviously the flip side is now you will all bow down to the next premier political boxer to woo your telescreens instead of learning from this mistake. You submissive toads.
Great perspective I think you called it about right
I cannot imagine anything the EU does for the UK, that the UK could not do better for themselves.
Switzerland is not in the EU, and they do great.
Why would UK want to pay huge money for a bunch of unelected eurocrates who do not have the UK's best interests at heart?
They did not, then again they didn't fabricate a lot of the shit said about Jews pre-WW2 either.
Jews have been white washed just a tiny bit.
For Boris's sake, don't be such a passive-aggressive conservative pussy. They bring their head scarfs, you give your kids pig-shaped bacon sandwiches. Oh, and let the women acquire some guns. And if that doesn't help with the fear, always remember that England Prevails!
The Jews weren't innocent victims.
Swap out Jews for Muslims and you've got a rant there that Hitler would have been proud of. Only took 70 years, but of course most of the people alive when this kind of fascist nationalism grew into power in the 30s are dead now anyway, so no one really remembers anymore.
Can't remember the last time I heard of a Jew go on a murderous rampage, practice polygamy, female genital mutilation, honor killings, or think it is okay to be a pedophile like their founder. I see the Muslim ladies walking around in tents in our local schools and supermarkets in the US and wonder about our future with the descendants of Hagar and Ishmael in our midst.
"leave our women alone"
Seriously, nobody wants your ugly island inbreed women.
For which semites?
Britain voted with her feet against Merkel's Madness. Like free nations do when their existence is threatened.
France has a long history of tyranny, so does Spain. Germany had serious episodes of tyranny and so did Italy. Greece had a tyranny just lately, so did Portugal. Poland had their own form of a watered-down Hitler.
Merkel has by now figured out how she can run over any opposition in Germany. She rules absolutely, completely with 100% loyal sycophants in all the mass media and in her party.
Britain is the shining light compared to these nations. They have a working parliament for hundreds of years.
In other words, get some good weed. The sort you currently smoke clouds your mind.
"This group of people who did not vote for us are not respectable anyway." and "we give a shit about basic rules of democracy, because we want to get rid of democracy anyway. We have supersmart expert intellectuals". You know, Uljanov, Castro, Mao and so on.
DO NOT FALL FOR THEIR SIREN SONG.
Thanks.
They rape our women
So, only true englishman are to rape in the UK? Because, afaik, most of the rapes are done by english citizens, not immigrants.
worship of their false god, allah and his child-raping prophet, mohammed
Well, if you are christian, god technically raped Mary, and you believe the the ritualistic sancticity of the act.
It's unsafe to walk so many cities now.
The least safe cities I've been in EU are in the UK. Its funny how that works.
Call me a bigot
No, you're not a bigot. There is no structure in your thought, no true content in there. You're just dumb.
Just because it is called "Northern Ireland" does not mean its inhabitants are "Irish".
Quite the opposite, the majority feels being English, being Protestant and they actually descend from the English.
And they have a well-organized militia. If there every should be a withdrawal of the British Army, the catholics either be silent or be driven to the south.
And NI will never be part of "Ireland". Get a grip.
Hillary should make this her new slogan.
Apparently I'm one generation too far removed to qualify, which is a pity because I was thinking of changing my name to Fuckthepope Billyboy-Nosurrender.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
We are allowing 37.4% of people to decide the future for 100% of us.
That is what percentage of our electorate is being allowed to throw our future under the bus.
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
Not at all off-topic.
As I've already noted, this is the heart of the Leave argument: Racism.
What's hilarious is that you lot helped start it all by importing colonials as cheap labour back when you still actually had an Empire.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
+10, On The Damn Money.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Thank you for proving circle's point.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Except for the fact that Jews weren't actually raping women and otherwise controlling and terrorizing the German public
As a Jewish terrorizing rapist, I happen to know for a fact your statement isn't true :P
Slavery was no sideshow, it was the particular "right" that states were seceding over.
I think part of the problem the "Clinton left" has is that is it does live in a bubble of high income and segregated, uniform suburbs and doesn't actually see the impact of its policies as having negatives.
Further, it's dominated by an axis of people who are highly educated and to a large extent indoctrinated in its ideology and who believe this ideology is factual, rational and supported by facts to a degree that they don't just disagree with opponents, they believe them to be intellectually deficient and driven by ill intent, such as racism, homophobia and xenophobia.
In my mind the, "bubble" they occupy is an important part of this theory/explanation -- many are second or later generation professionals who have *always* lived and worked among their own kind and simply never see the down sides of their policies. Their crime rates don't increase when they shackle urban police forces with federal oversight, likewise they don't see the idea in owning a gun in a leafy, peaceful suburb or working in the corporate campus guarded by armed security. The relentless warping of urban schools by diversity-driven policies doesn't affect their children, who attend wealthy suburban districts filled with people just like them or even expensive private schools who will never be touched by such policies. Illegal immigration doesn't affect their schools or communities.
I think they endorse and provide support for the more radical elements of leftism because of their connections to universities and how radical themes echo their university educations, as well as believing that this support gives them a bohemian edge which dilutes their corporate and suburban mindset; it's a way of differentiating themselves from what otherwise would be a vintage picture of country-club Republicanism.
I'm sure, if you looked long enough back then, or even nowadays, you could find a Jew who did any given bad thing you could imagine. Just like you can do with Muslims, Germans, Britons, or any large group of people. After you have found the odd psychopath, all you have to do is pretend they're a typical membr of said group rather than a psychopath who also happens to be Muslim/Jew/whatever, and then you can act like a racist asshole all the while pretending you're a decent person.
But you're not a decent person. You're a racist asshole. You simply happen to be a gutless coward, too.
And a century from now your successors will claim their demonization of the boogeymen of their day is completely different from the shameful anti-Muslim hysteria of their ancestors. Because assholes... Assholes never change.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Why do you hate freedom so much, Anon?
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
My ongoing divorce. Spouse reacted out of emotion vs reason and didn't do her homework. She, like Britian with its low-information voters, is about to discover who really holds the cards.
didnt stop hitler from saying that, as it didnt stop the gp
that confirm our pre-existing beliefs
Because obviously, knowing that Google claims that a large number of individual Brits typed in these search questions allows us to draw rock-solid conclusions that (1) it's actually true and not the result of any one of thousands of possible manipulation techniques, or simply self-interested lying by Google; (2) we know WHICH Brits googled the question; and (3) knowing that somebody googled something allows us to safely conclude things like (a) they didn't already know the answer to the question or (b) we can figure out what their motivations and political leanings were.
"Call me a bigot"
You are a bigot
The AC is speaking about an epidemic of paedophile gang rape by muslim in England. Google Rotherham scandal. There, 1400 girls (one thousand four hundred yes that'not a mistake) aged 14 have been raped, sometimes tortured. For instance in Rochedale girls where forced to abortion unless they convert to Islam.
Have you heard it or read it in the media ? Here in France (I'm french) almost nothing in the newspapers.
Almost all of England have experienced those rapes: slough, Oxford, Bristol, Telford (where the attackers where peeing inside the m....). Thousands of under age girls ! I have a daughter and whenever I remember what these girl experienced I want to cry. Is that the future our children will have to experience ?
There are also riots, and more and more violence that are not even reported by the media. And the way those media speak about the DEMOCRATIC result of the brexit référendum is just a shame.
I think English people saw what happened with the so called "refugee crisis" where Merkel forced them through the Balkans arm spinning Hungary though technically Hungary is responsible to enforce outside border of Schengen. Why not asking the Syrian to go to german consulate of any country (Turkey) instead of forcing them taking dangerous boats ? Merkel killed so many people I hate her.
I will do the green card lottery next October. You know what, though I have some money and a 15 years experience in IT, USA will not welcome me as well as we welcome the migrants here in Europe. I know very well the US rules so try to argue correctly if you disagree.
That is why the criticism by Americans is not well accepted here in European.
Arm spinning : arm spinning, sorry for my french expressions
If people are so fucking stupid that they don't know that this is going on, much less that their country has been part of the European Union for decades, they have no business having an opinion on the matter.
The EU is just enjoying its growing pains. The US had a similar, but far less civilized, debate about the same thing from 1860-1864. The "slavery" thing was a mere sideshow. The issue of states' rights was the main question, and more specifically, whether states had the rights to secede. Apparently the EU allows that without a fight. The US does not, but fought a very bloody war to make that determination.
A wonderful example of revisionist history with no factual merit.
The slave population in the US South gave the Southern states enormous political power, and that as much as the moral issue was driving the actions of the Northern states. Given the fundamentally different economies of the two blocks, the Southern political power was a huge problem for Northern leaders. For example, the two groups had fundamentally different views about import policy: the agricultural South wanted to import British industrial goods, but the North wanted to develop their own industry and thus tax the import of British goods.
Everybody with a functioning brain knew that slavery was wrong and needed to be ended. This was obvious even at the original Constitutional Convention: look at the speech by Morris of NY. It wasn't just morally wrong, it was what we would call today "unethical practice of law" to have slavery in the legal system of a nation founded to protect the rights of man. Contradictions in the legal system ALWAYS involve unethical practice of law, a point Morris shows in his speech, though he didn't use the same language we would today to make his point. Jefferson, Madison, Washington and many others showed by example and words that they disapproved of slavery and wanted it ended on a reasonable time scale, while recognizing it couldn't be ended instantly as a practical matter.
It was pure corruption that allowed slavery to continue, both at the original Constitutional Convention, and later: the lawyers representing the South were either slave owners themselves, or looked to have slave owners as their primary future customers.
This makes a great historical example of unethical practice of law happening on a large scale, not all that different from a lot that goes on today - lawyers looking out for the interests of big corporations and the super-wealthy at the expense of fundamental rights. Then, as now, this has all kinds of negative implications and really hurts society in a whole host of ways. For example, NSA and FBI violations of the Bill of Rights don't happen in a vacuum, they happen because of an unethical legal environment which - almost as a side effect - shields these activities.
The slave revolution in Haiti also player a major role in contributing to the US Civil War, by serving as an example that fearful and unimaginative people could point to as giving reasons not to end slavery. Ironically, the destruction of the Civil War ended up being far worse than a slave revolution would have been.
Since nobody in the South could admit they were in the wrong, they gave (and continue to give) this whole set of circumstances the label "State's Rights" to try to conceal the real issues. This was pure smoke and mirrors: there were real State's Rights issues, then as now, but the Civil War didn't happen because of them.
A century from now they will ask 'What's a muslim?'
Not because we genocide them. Because they pumped all their oil and are back to humping camels full time.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Raises hand.
I'll take three small ones for myself and a big one for my friends to share.
Spoken like someone who doesn't have the first fucking clue on the subject. I know this is just a troll, but some people actually do believe this hogwash.
Firstly, study after study, and analysis after analysis, have shown that immigrants are a net productive force in the economy. They draw far less public funding than the average Brit, and they work harder.
Secondly, the UK was only ever required to allow EU nationals freedom of movement. A significant part of the sentiment issuing from Leave supporters was bourne of the stupid and ignorant view that the EU was to blame for all the brown people and Muslims in the country. Meanwhile, the EU had nothing to do with it - these were Britain's own immigration policies.
I wonder how many of the idiots who spout this immigration-related rhetoric have actually bothered to pick up the fucking Immigration Acts and educate themselves? You know, doing what you would actually do if you actually thought the issue were important enough to have a fucking opinion about? A rhetorical question, because the answer is precisely zero in my experience.
There was an unprecedent 4% swing in the polls from two weeks before the poll to the results on the day. The last full referendum on the EU wa in 1975, and the locals are used to tactical voting at every other government level, up to and including a General (i.e. Prime Ministerial) Election. My direct family all voted in. Most (but not all) of my sister's family were in/remain as well. There's a 60+ year age spread in that cohort alone, only two of whom were old enough to vote last time around. The biggest single factor on the day was probably that it pissed down with rain all day across most of the South East, including London, where a large fraction of the population lives. This skews heavily against the young and the (legal) immigrants, who may have multiple jobs, and the elderly, who struggle with public transport. My borough voted remain by nearly 70%, my Dad's voted out by similar margins. The U.K. of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would comfortably fit inside California, yet has (roughly) one fifth the population of the U.S. The politics of these little islands are far more complex than those in the U.S., and some of the laws in our (unwritten) constitution are just as arcane and stupid as those anywhere in the world. America got to start afresh in 1776 and keep only the good bits (and some bad bits). At least we don't deliberately rig things so that black people have to take a whole day off work to vote.
Tony.
-- "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" -- Juvenal
Gotcha
And boy, can't you hold your head up high with your smugness and elitism. When it finally comes home to roost, you'll see.
"They rape our women" - interesting use of the possessive pronoun there, plus citation needed, plus of course bonus points for the Trump reference. "Zero pork products in schools" - all I could find was one news story (from the Mail, of course) about two schools in Rotherham that have changed their menus, but no mention of rules about what kids could bring in their own lunchboxes. "No one is allowed to speak up against Islam" - bullshit, people have been doing exactly that all over Europe. "Nice, healthy nationalism" - now there's an oxymoron if ever there was one. "paid nothing into the system but live off the dole, take housing meant for the English" - even more bullshit, if the UK government wants to set rules regarding benefits for non-EU immigrants - Muslim or otherwise - it's completely free to do that, and always has been, and the housing is "meant" for everyone who lives there, that's what housing is. "Buy old monument chapels and churches" - again, citation needed.
"Call me a bigot" - OK, now fuck off you bigot, my grandparents fought a war to prevent the likes of you from running the UK.
BoJo maybe didn't want to leave (or lead the leaving process).
But undisputable fact is,that the majority of voting British people wanted to leave. Period.
BTW, Google stats say nothing about WHO is googling about "Irish passport" or "what is EU". It might be the guy who didn't vote at all.Or vote for remain because she is always unsecure in change situations and wanted status quo. Or it is just that famous Polish plumber in Britain who is now wondering how this result will affect his future.
who mods this ahistorical drivel insightful?
They fought specifically over the state's right to own slaves.
They didn't fight over the right to secede.
They seceded over the right to own slaves.
It's in the declarations of secession of each of the states that did so.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
nationalism is never healthy, or a good thing.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
neither are the muslims, but that doesn't stop you idiots from claiming it, then or now.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
So.... Ten searches instead of five?
But they are raping your bank account, buying up all the housing, turning them into synagogues and living off the dole. Let's just all agree the whole middle east should have been nuked 2000 years ago.
AFAIK, Jews weren't asking for special rules and privileges for themselves that went against existing laws and culture, nor was there anything like the Rotherham rape scandal perpetuated by them, so enough with invoking Godwin already.
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