What does this mean? That M$ FUD is working? If that is so, I see a very, very bleak computeing future. Imagine, all you would ever get is IIS errors, and always being told by the admin that the server is going down for the next 5 hours to install patches. And no work files would ever survive for more then 10 hours! I don't want to live in a future like that.
When I have kids, I'm gonna set up a linux box, with internet, and limit it to educational sites, and things like wikipedia and programming tutorials and how stuff works. And tell them they can use the compuer nd the internet when ever. Then i know that they're only absorbing info from it, not going on my space or similar sites. I'll check the history, and see if anything like myspace has popped up, and block it, or spoof it to look like a 404, 'cos then they'll have to look up what that means, and learn even more:-) I am 15, and i simply find myspace, msn and that lot just boring crap, I prefer to browse things that let me learn, and if my kids are anything like me, they'll do the same.
Well... I gues we'll all just skip back 22 years or so... Maybe we'll change the newspapers and books so that houses always had cameras in them? Maybe, those like us rebels will just start disappearing without trace, and people will claim "Tinned_Tuna"?
Those who think differently will start just to drop off the face of the Earth if things continue like this!
Encrypt everything while you still have the chance and while it's still remotley legal!
One day, the powers that be will look back and think "What a waste of time that whole freedom fiasco was!"
If anything like this happens in England, I'll destroy the camera! I'll hack it, i'll rig it up to explode on command. I'll send rude gestures to who ever is watching, I'll stage a protest of some kind
I think the best way to get Linux even thought about, is not to try to change OS 1 year after an upgrade. Wait a little until upgrading comes back onto the table (in the mean time, prepare your arguments), and then drop in Linux as a viable alternative, giving both technical and fiscal reasons why it is much a much stronger choice then any of the competitors
You can't tell the train where and when to stop, you've got to wait until the train stops where it wants, when it wants
Well... lynx is good for that, but what about w3m? or links! They rock!! Links has *gasp* frames! and still makes nearly all annoying adverts pointless! including popups, flash, gifs, java script and applets...
I think that this is a really good development. I used to *like* windows, until my ship was sunk once i a) connected it to the net (viruses, spyware etc.) and b) saw alternatives in action, and what action it was!
I really hope that this resembelence to Open Source will make a better OS. Maybe a "secure" fork would be nice. It would even be good if it started running across architectures! but, I DO NOT Want it to rule the roost, I'd much prefer a range of OS's... unlike now (unless you count servers).
I have a way of getting around this; but it is not for everyone. I simply put Fedora Core 4 on my PC, then get a broadband router (in britain, we do this with British Telecoms, they supplied me with an Alcatel SpeedTouch Router), running DHCP. I then get things like ClamAV, SELinux, and a firewall
My favourite for this work is Fedora Core 4, but as far as I can tell, ClamAV is not in the standard install
I am forever telling my friends who use windows to get Linux, because I'm sick and tired of "My computer's broken" or "Oh no, I have to shell out another £££££ to get some guy to re-format my machine again!"
*Dons asbestos pants* I still have no idea why some people refuse to even _try_ Linux for a short while!
For this to work you have to be there. My "users" are generally classmates. my first attempt normally goes "Click File, print, -" then they're like "what, where, gimme a sec" then I wait around 5 minutes. I then get up, gesticulate wildly at the screen going "Click *here*, then *here*" and then they're like "I can't see the screen! Move your hand", repeat once or twice. Then, finally (normally 10 minutes after the question was asked) I take the keyboard off them, hit the hot key, and press enter, wadle to the front of the room and collect their print off. I then have to cope with 6 more of these questions.
I can't complain, they only know how to use windoze to do (insert job here) click here, then here, then here. It's far faster and easier to convey just to say goto start, run, type cmd and press enter. then type XYZ and press enter. I may like GUIs but conveying instructions is best done through a standard CLI thats standard.
Now, *teaching* users require a very large book and a very good teacher with a strong arm to hit the student with. Users will not learn, unless it gets them to do their job instantly think about telling a newbie to click start to turn the computer off...
also, i like macs, i know people who are computer illiterate, who have come and sat down at my mac, logged in, gone online, blah blah blah, and only asked me one or two questions. And I don't have to hover to make sure they don't download spyware, adaware, viruses... etc.
wow, either M$ has joined forces with CERT, or has bribed them with some obscene amount of green stuff (which turned out to have cockroaches in it... all you M$ stuff is belong to BUGS) anyways... thought i'd troll some...
M$ is working on "In Soviet Russia, you annoy M$ bug!"
Personally, for learning OOP, I would choose Python, neither Java or C#, as I find both of the syntaxes to be slightly unwieldy, but then again, with Java, it seems easy to quickly move your code around, show it to friends, get other people to debug it, etc. My personal choice is to give both a wide berth, and stick to prototyping things quickly in Python, then transfer it to C/C++ and compile the binaries on the necessary platforms, or just distibute code:)
If I had to choose, I would go for Java. But before hand, read a few Python tutorials (esp. How to think like a computer scientist Python version) and get OOP concepts down, using a simple syntax, then transfer it across to _Java_/C#.
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RTFGPL - Read the f*ck*ng General Public License !
What does this mean? That M$ FUD is working? If that is so, I see a very, very bleak computeing future. Imagine, all you would ever get is IIS errors, and always being told by the admin that the server is going down for the next 5 hours to install patches. And no work files would ever survive for more then 10 hours! I don't want to live in a future like that.
When I have kids, I'm gonna set up a linux box, with internet, and limit it to educational sites, and things like wikipedia and programming tutorials and how stuff works. And tell them they can use the compuer nd the internet when ever. Then i know that they're only absorbing info from it, not going on my space or similar sites. I'll check the history, and see if anything like myspace has popped up, and block it, or spoof it to look like a 404, 'cos then they'll have to look up what that means, and learn even more :-) I am 15, and i simply find myspace, msn and that lot just boring crap, I prefer to browse things that let me learn, and if my kids are anything like me, they'll do the same.
Well... I gues we'll all just skip back 22 years or so... Maybe we'll change the newspapers and books so that houses always had cameras in them? Maybe, those like us rebels will just start disappearing without trace, and people will claim "Tinned_Tuna"?
Those who think differently will start just to drop off the face of the Earth if things continue like this!
Encrypt everything while you still have the chance and while it's still remotley legal!
One day, the powers that be will look back and think "What a waste of time that whole freedom fiasco was!"
If anything like this happens in England, I'll destroy the camera! I'll hack it, i'll rig it up to explode on command. I'll send rude gestures to who ever is watching, I'll stage a protest of some kind
I think the best way to get Linux even thought about, is not to try to change OS 1 year after an upgrade. Wait a little until upgrading comes back onto the table (in the mean time, prepare your arguments), and then drop in Linux as a viable alternative, giving both technical and fiscal reasons why it is much a much stronger choice then any of the competitors
You can't tell the train where and when to stop, you've got to wait until the train stops where it wants, when it wants
Well... lynx is good for that, but what about w3m? or links! They rock!! Links has *gasp* frames! and still makes nearly all annoying adverts pointless! including popups, flash, gifs, java script and applets...
I think that this is a really good development. I used to *like* windows, until my ship was sunk once i a) connected it to the net (viruses, spyware etc.) and b) saw alternatives in action, and what action it was!
I really hope that this resembelence to Open Source will make a better OS. Maybe a "secure" fork would be nice. It would even be good if it started running across architectures! but, I DO NOT Want it to rule the roost, I'd much prefer a range of OS's... unlike now (unless you count servers).
-- Tinned Tuna
I have a way of getting around this; but it is not for everyone. I simply put Fedora Core 4 on my PC, then get a broadband router (in britain, we do this with British Telecoms, they supplied me with an Alcatel SpeedTouch Router), running DHCP. I then get things like ClamAV, SELinux, and a firewall
My favourite for this work is Fedora Core 4, but as far as I can tell, ClamAV is not in the standard install
I am forever telling my friends who use windows to get Linux, because I'm sick and tired of "My computer's broken" or "Oh no, I have to shell out another £££££ to get some guy to re-format my machine again!"
*Dons asbestos pants* I still have no idea why some people refuse to even _try_ Linux for a short while!
For this to work you have to be there. My "users" are generally classmates. my first attempt normally goes "Click File, print, -" then they're like "what, where, gimme a sec" then I wait around 5 minutes. I then get up, gesticulate wildly at the screen going "Click *here*, then *here*" and then they're like "I can't see the screen! Move your hand", repeat once or twice. Then, finally (normally 10 minutes after the question was asked) I take the keyboard off them, hit the hot key, and press enter, wadle to the front of the room and collect their print off. I then have to cope with 6 more of these questions.
I can't complain, they only know how to use windoze to do (insert job here) click here, then here, then here. It's far faster and easier to convey just to say goto start, run, type cmd and press enter. then type XYZ and press enter. I may like GUIs but conveying instructions is best done through a standard CLI thats standard.
Now, *teaching* users require a very large book and a very good teacher with a strong arm to hit the student with. Users will not learn, unless it gets them to do their job instantly think about telling a newbie to click start to turn the computer off...
also, i like macs, i know people who are computer illiterate, who have come and sat down at my mac, logged in, gone online, blah blah blah, and only asked me one or two questions. And I don't have to hover to make sure they don't download spyware, adaware, viruses... etc.
wow, either M$ has joined forces with CERT, or has bribed them with some obscene amount of green stuff (which turned out to have cockroaches in it... all you M$ stuff is belong to BUGS) anyways... thought i'd troll some...
M$ is working on "In Soviet Russia, you annoy M$ bug!"
Flame away folks!
Personally, for learning OOP, I would choose Python, neither Java or C#, as I find both of the syntaxes to be slightly unwieldy, but then again, with Java, it seems easy to quickly move your code around, show it to friends, get other people to debug it, etc. My personal choice is to give both a wide berth, and stick to prototyping things quickly in Python, then transfer it to C/C++ and compile the binaries on the necessary platforms, or just distibute code :)
If I had to choose, I would go for Java. But before hand, read a few Python tutorials (esp. How to think like a computer scientist Python version) and get OOP concepts down, using a simple syntax, then transfer it across to _Java_/C#.
1. Purchase Failing Company (AOL)
2. ???
3. Profit
As you can see, this is a totally blanant plan.
Yup, Embrace, Extend, sue anyone who disagrees. We love you M$, for all the bullshit and over priced bugware
What happens when they start putting remote control devices in the tinfoil hats? I'm worried.
I am lost here, is it just me (I haven't read allll the posts yet), but why has nobody mentioned gcc??? am I in my own little world here?