Microsoft made one true statement, iTunes wont convert downloaded music to windows media or mp3s. My car only plays mp3s, so I have to burn to cd, or re-rip the cd to mp3s. Not as "one clickity" as I would like it.
Also, the techno area on iTunes is lacking, and scanning very large directories can crash or take hours.
Other than that, iTunes rocks. Very nice player, little more cpu than winamp, but still not as much as the IDE channel on a x86 box.;)
I really think iTunes is the entry level on which other services can try to beat. Offer the ability to download or easily convert to other formats, offer more indie/techno/dj/garage band music, have discounted music, and even offer free downloads on non-copyrightable music. They can even tie in other merchandise in, and get people to buy DVD's, clothes, posters, etc. They have not scratched the service on what a service "Can" offer, just an entry level music buying service.
It can only get better, cheaper with more options. Go Apple.
Do a base linux from scratch system, then install what you need on top of that (netfilter and maybe a DHCP client is pretty much the only stuff you need on top of an LFS system).
Once the firewall is configured the way you want it, and everything you need is compiled and installed, delete the compiler and whatever else you *don't* need.
I did this the other day on a gentoo box, then I realized, deleteing GCC on a source only distro, and no RPM was a BIG mistake.
BTW, floppyFW rules(and supports VPN) plus other goodies.
WTF!!! My god, I saw Firefly, and I was thinking, the series was coming back. lame Lame LAME! Atleast FireFly is coming to the BigScreen. So at least we can enjoy the series..
Also, Dragonfly seems only good for older hardware, not sure why I'd use it over FreeBSD.
This reminds me of Back to the Future 2, where he plays an Arcade game and the kids go "Oh he has to use his hands, like a baby game" or something like that.
Speaking of electronic football, "Dancing Dots". Had a watch that had 4 games on it, use to play it all the time before the NES game out.:) Now its backlight, SNES with stereo sound, and networked handhelds.
So I was a Mandrake user for the both the 7.x and 8.x series. I liked it a lot, but I also had quite a few crashes (usually KDE apps). I know lots of other people have had the same gripe about Mandrake in the past, i.e. that it was very nice, but pretty unstable.
Ive been using Mandrake on my servers and desktop for awhile now. My servers are SMP P2 and P3s, and no problem what so ever. Mandrake even had updates for security holes that urpmi took care of.
I even use cooker on my main desktop (i wanted to test), and that has had problems, but mostly with me tinkering around, and recompiling some src.rpm's. But stock RPM's have been nothing but solid.
I didnt own a Jaguar, but I rented it soley for AvP. That game had some of the best Gfx, and FPS play that even the PC version dosent even touch. AvP1 for PC was generic, and didnt have the appeal as AvP2 for PC. AvP2 was more dark, faster and had more team play action.
The PC versions just never captured the FPS multiplayer style of game. But reading the history, it does state that the PC release had tons of bugs, and a horrible Initial release. (Ubisoft take note...) I gave up after its initial release because of its bugs, and picked AvP2 on sale because of the bad aftertaste of AvP1.
I dont agree thou, that the Jaguar version was fuzzy and had bad frame rate, if you compare it to Today, maybe... But at the time, the game was indeed a "Show Case game" for the Jaguar and console gamers.
Hopefully, someone gets back to basics, AvP is a good idea, just done badly in the newest incarnations.
I know what you mean, learned BBS'ing, wrote a BBS in compiled basic, some assembly, and played large amounts of video games.
About the only problem I ever had with the C64 was 40 column width, I switched to a 128D, and used DESTerm for true Ansi. Kept the 128 Longer than I should, and finally upgraded to an Amiga. 16 color Ansi, Zmodem resume, scroll back history. Fidonet and lots of WWII BBS's, and fidonet email, and lots of multi-line BBS's.
Then I got on the net for Aminet, started hanging out on IRC in 89(or 88), (I think, its been so long ago), got TCP/IP working, its been cake since then. Much better terminal programs, and been hooked on the Net ever since. Started working at ISP's, now I work for a 3rd largest wireless ISP in the nation, so hey, that C64/Amiga knowledge paid off.;)
Also, if you want to get some C64 games for an emulator or amiga emulator, check out Emulation Software in the UK.
Wouldnt an opensource engine be better for non-educational engines? Just wondering if someone should use a commerical engine with all the ties to the license. How does it compare to Crystal Space which runs on many platforms, and has a large amount of developers?
Havnt read the guidelines, just the little article, but wonder what restrictions could make a difference. Maybe you might want to take the game retail later, do you then need to spring 350,000 bux for a license?
What pisses me off, is I use no-cd cracks on games I buy. Then I dont have to change CD's, the games run faster, all the game is already installed, no reason to have the CD in except to make the game company happy.
So now, theres a chance, if I use a no-cd crack, the game will play funny? What about if I want to use a virtual CDROM instead for speed? Copy protection like this is just an annoyance. Problem thou, only online games have CD keys that work well for copy protection, single player games have the most physical cd protections. Blah.
If I cant watch TV or use my phone, I get a credit for that day, even if its only a few bux. Sometimes I complain loudly enough to get a free month. Being ripped off in the name of an outage, upgrade or billing problem isnt the users issue. Refund is in order.
One of the problems we have, is when you have clusters with 100+ machines, and need to push configs, or gather stats off each box.
On solaris, we run a script called "shout" that does a for/next loop that ssh's into each box and runs a command for us. We also have one called "Scream" which does some root privilege ssh enabled commands.
Nortel has a nice program called CLIManager (use to be called CLImax), that allows you telnet into multiple passports and run commands. Same idea, but the program formats data to display. Say you wanted to display "ipconfig" on 50 machines, this would format it, so you have columns of data, easy to read and put in reports.
Also, has a "Watch" command that will repeat a command, and format the data. Say you want to display counters.
I have not seen an opensource program that does the same as "CliManager" but its has to be one of the best idea's that should be implemented in opensource. Basically, it logs into multiple machines, parses and displays data, and outputs all errors on another window to keep your main screen clean.
Think of logging into 10 machines, and doing a tail -f on an active log file. Then the program would parse the data, display it in a table, and all updates would be highlighted.
I havnt spoken to the author of CliManager, but I guess he also hated logging into multiple machines, and running the same command. This program has been updated over the years, and is now the standard interface to the nodes. It just uses telnet and a command line, but you can log into 100's of nodes at once.
Wish I could post pics and the tgz file, maybe someone from Nortel can comment. (Runs on Solaris, NT and linux)
If, however, a product recall (patch) were instituted buy the car company to replace the engine part, and the person simply did not take his car to the dealership, the auto company would not be liable for damages. Outlook is not the only piece of software, nor the only email client with security holes. Valve played fast and loose with their own security, and they got hit by it.
There someone goes again, saying Valve played fast and loose with their own security. Nobody said they didn't have the basic precautions with their PC's, anti-virus, windows update, firewall. The software they used, Microsoft Outlook wasn't patched.
It's not the car companys fault if sudden deceleration causes you to explode through the windshield, because you were not wearing the seatbelt.
How protected does a company need? Do you need to lock everything down to keycard access, DMZ'ed computers, DNA access codes, congress permission to turn on a computer...
They took basic Microsoft updates, anti-virus and a firewall. The patch might of been out, but somehow it didn't make it to the PCs in question. It would be completely different, IF they just put their pc's on a DSL line sitting on the Internet, without any protection, bare to the world. This wasnt the case.
While valve could of used more security, they didnt leave the door unlocked. Stop blaming the victim, Not everyone knows kung-fu and owns an ak-47.
MS Outlook is how they got cracked, the same could happen to Opensource developers, passwords stolen to put trojans in the CVS trees. And btw, makefile and other backdoors have already made it into linux distros, bsd distros, and major server applications.
Unplugging the computer isnt the solution, people need to communicate. Fix the METHOD that people are getting hacked.
99% of most developers are on the net, or have some sort of net access...
And how is this different than the developers of OpenBSD, Apache, Samba and other developers? The network might be firewalled off, but they still use Outlook, which was how these machines where cracked.
Ok, how about Oracle, Informix, Nortel, Ericsson, Lucent, ATT, IBM. You think developers sit in little bubbles with laptops without email? How many do you think run some sort of MS Exchange server with outlook clients? Look how many get viruses/trojans before the anti-virus companies have new definition files, happens ALL THE TIME.
So, point again. Outlook was the way they got into the machines, the hackers didn't touch machines directly because of a firewall.
AND BTW, opensource software cvs sites have been compromised too. Craclers could alter a makefile to put a backdoor in, cvs commit it... oh wait, its already happened to opensource projects.
I have to wonder how long until people start to realize that for truly critical (read millions of dollars) work, you're best off having the production machines OFFLINE.
And how is this different than the developers of OpenBSD, Apache, Samba and other developers? The network might be firewalled off, but they still use Outlook, which was how these machines where cracked.
Blame the part that failed, Microsoft Outlook. Not 1 news story stated that Microsoft Outlook just caused millions of dollars of delays? That hackers took over game developers(s) networks with microsoft outlook security holes. (Valve stated that other developers are also compromised...)
If this was a car, and the engines exploded killing the drive, you can bet your ass that the automaker's name would be on the news.
IRC also tends to be a very easy way to access all kinds of illegal stuff. As well as bait for DDoS and other annoying attacks.
And hardware stores allow people to make bombs, and weapons. Get off the illegal excuse. Anything can be abused.
And DDoS applications now use websites to load commands, and IRC network scan for large bot type networks. Its pretty easy for the police to track people on IRC, if your worried about illegal stuff, dont worry, the feds sit on irc and pretend to be 14 yo girls. Last count, there are over 75 cyber cops sitting on networks just looking for pedophiles. Imagine how many are looking for movies and other warez?
But on the good side, IRC can be encrypted, a place to chat with other people with same interests, get questions answered, user groups, etc. IRC isnt going away, just look at how many networks there are, gamesnet.net, slashnet, opensource servers, support servers for companies, DJ groups, etc. There are thousands of small servers out there, other than the big ones, Efnet, Undernet, etc.
IRC is a tool, when a better tool comes along, you trade up. Until then, go get irssi and have fun.
Ok, we all know games are not coming out perfect, a few bugs. But UBISoft has made some mistakes releasing demos with enough problems to warrent a new demo release. You dont throw the baby out with the bathwater. When 10 new games comes out, which one are you going to buy? Demos, trailers, movies, commericals, reviews are going to get people. If a game is good enough with 1 level to get people to buy it, its worth the money.
Ive been burned the last few years on hype. I wont even buy before doing research now. 15 minutes of research can save me 50 bux. Demos get more time.
I know lots of people who have domains hosted, because they use cable and DSL. I doubht hosting services are going to allow people to send email through them, and MY ISP wont add my domain to his approved email list. I could use reply-to addresses, but people still seem to get reply-to messed up, so I tend to avoid that.
So, I have a local linux box, that runs postfix, that sends out email for me. Nobody uses it but me. This means I will get cut off from sending email (if I used a Cable, they would block me also)...
Its not like we dont know who is sending spam. Its all traceable, and the large ISP's could just get together and report the spammers to an RBL and block 90% of the spam. Which is also what every RBL says, "Soon as 1 large ISP starts using us..."
Wouldnt say its limited, when its been selling at tiger direct for over 8 months. And tiger direct was just one place I noticed, im sure you can find other deals around the net. You can even buy Apple G5's cheaper when you buy them at another site. Maybe only save 200 bux, at places like the macmall, but they throw in free stuff also.
I noticed some Apple re-sellers offered G5's for 1/2 the price (only 2 at that price) to get customers to the stores. Ebay had Dual G5's with 21 inch LCD Monitors for 3K to get people to browse the store.
Same happens in town, the car dealers will let 2-3 cars go at rock bottom prices, to get people to the dealership.
Check Tiger Direct, Dual 2.4's with HT, with xppro and 2kpro for 1600+, Compaq systems, without monitors. But a damn good deal if you need a solid workstation.
Funny, the 2 games on the list I played where Grim Fandango and Blood. Both dark humor about death. Grim Fandango had some nice artwork and south american theme going with it. Very entertaining game, didnt realize it was underrated. The jokes and puns alone made it worth the money. Some parts in it where long, (The ghost car in the garage) but overall was a couple good weekends laughing my ass off.
On the other hand, Blood was released late, and only supported IPX, and Duke Nukem/Quake took the large multiplaying games. Fun game, also dark humor, but everyone moved to Quake lan parties, and duke nukem was on the way out. I think Rise of the Triad should of been on the list, underrated, but also out late.
Thou, my favorite, lan party game, that was the most under-rated was SkyNet. The terminator game, with some good weapons. Nice soundtrack, and sound of terminators chasing you, and some nice weapons made it a very fun game. Too bad an updated version on a newer engine never came out. The closet thing today, would be BF1942, as you can go into buildings, lots of weapons, and vehicals.
Might as throw an RPG game in, Wasteland. The C64 version had to be, one of the most solid GURPS style playing games.
I guess i've always liked Mecha vs Magica type games. RPG/FPS. Thou, mecha vs GOD/Satan has always been a good combo. Man vs Myth, Battle Royal. Something about pulling a trigger and taking out a demon, makes you feel so good.
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Microsoft made one true statement, iTunes wont convert downloaded music to windows media or mp3s. My car only plays mp3s, so I have to burn to cd, or re-rip the cd to mp3s. Not as "one clickity" as I would like it.
;)
Also, the techno area on iTunes is lacking, and scanning very large directories can crash or take hours.
Other than that, iTunes rocks. Very nice player, little more cpu than winamp, but still not as much as the IDE channel on a x86 box.
I really think iTunes is the entry level on which other services can try to beat. Offer the ability to download or easily convert to other formats, offer more indie/techno/dj/garage band music, have discounted music, and even offer free downloads on non-copyrightable music.
They can even tie in other merchandise in, and get people to buy DVD's, clothes, posters, etc. They have not scratched the service on what a service "Can" offer, just an entry level music buying service.
It can only get better, cheaper with more options. Go Apple.
Do a base linux from scratch system, then install what you need on top of that (netfilter and maybe a DHCP client is pretty much the only stuff you need on top of an LFS system).
Once the firewall is configured the way you want it, and everything you need is compiled and installed, delete the compiler and whatever else you *don't* need.
I did this the other day on a gentoo box, then I realized, deleteing GCC on a source only distro, and no RPM was a BIG mistake.
BTW, floppyFW rules(and supports VPN) plus other goodies.
WTF!!! My god, I saw Firefly, and I was thinking, the series was coming back. lame Lame LAME! Atleast FireFly is coming to the BigScreen. So at least we can enjoy the series..
Also, Dragonfly seems only good for older hardware, not sure why I'd use it over FreeBSD.
Hence, Barneys ancestors revealed!
Wow, when they said a little purple frog with a tiny head and snout, they where NOT kidding. Funny looking little frog.
Now I'm wondering what kind of Croak it makes.
And they tested its DNA, and said it was a different breed of frogs, amazing.
This reminds me of Back to the Future 2, where he plays an Arcade game and the kids go "Oh he has to use his hands, like a baby game" or something like that.
:) Now its backlight, SNES with stereo sound, and networked handhelds.
Speaking of electronic football, "Dancing Dots". Had a watch that had 4 games on it, use to play it all the time before the NES game out.
So I was a Mandrake user for the both the 7.x and 8.x series. I liked it a lot, but I also had quite a few crashes (usually KDE apps). I know lots of other people have had the same gripe about Mandrake in the past, i.e. that it was very nice, but pretty unstable.
Ive been using Mandrake on my servers and desktop for awhile now. My servers are SMP P2 and P3s, and no problem what so ever. Mandrake even had updates for security holes that urpmi took care of.
I even use cooker on my main desktop (i wanted to test), and that has had problems, but mostly with me tinkering around, and recompiling some src.rpm's. But stock RPM's have been nothing but solid.
I didnt own a Jaguar, but I rented it soley for AvP. That game had some of the best Gfx, and FPS play that even the PC version dosent even touch. AvP1 for PC was generic, and didnt have the appeal as AvP2 for PC. AvP2 was more dark, faster and had more team play action.
The PC versions just never captured the FPS multiplayer style of game. But reading the history, it does state that the PC release had tons of bugs, and a horrible Initial release. (Ubisoft take note...) I gave up after its initial release because of its bugs, and picked AvP2 on sale because of the bad aftertaste of AvP1.
I dont agree thou, that the Jaguar version was fuzzy and had bad frame rate, if you compare it to Today, maybe... But at the time, the game was indeed a "Show Case game" for the Jaguar and console gamers.
Hopefully, someone gets back to basics, AvP is a good idea, just done badly in the newest incarnations.
I know what you mean, learned BBS'ing, wrote a BBS in compiled basic, some assembly, and played large amounts of video games.
;)
About the only problem I ever had with the C64 was 40 column width, I switched to a 128D, and used DESTerm for true Ansi. Kept the 128 Longer than I should, and finally upgraded to an Amiga. 16 color Ansi, Zmodem resume, scroll back history. Fidonet and lots of WWII BBS's, and fidonet email, and lots of multi-line BBS's.
Then I got on the net for Aminet, started hanging out on IRC in 89(or 88), (I think, its been so long ago), got TCP/IP working, its been cake since then. Much better terminal programs, and been hooked on the Net ever since. Started working at ISP's, now I work for a 3rd largest wireless ISP in the nation, so hey, that C64/Amiga knowledge paid off.
Also, if you want to get some C64 games for an emulator or amiga emulator, check out Emulation Software in the UK.
Wouldnt an opensource engine be better for non-educational engines? Just wondering if someone should use a commerical engine with all the ties to the license. How does it compare to Crystal Space which runs on many platforms, and has a large amount of developers?
Havnt read the guidelines, just the little article, but wonder what restrictions could make a difference. Maybe you might want to take the game retail later, do you then need to spring 350,000 bux for a license?
http://www.tomshardware.com/ its 404 again. WTF is going on with his site? Its been having issues for almost a year!
What pisses me off, is I use no-cd cracks on games I buy. Then I dont have to change CD's, the games run faster, all the game is already installed, no reason to have the CD in except to make the game company happy.
So now, theres a chance, if I use a no-cd crack, the game will play funny? What about if I want to use a virtual CDROM instead for speed? Copy protection like this is just an annoyance. Problem thou, only online games have CD keys that work well for copy protection, single player games have the most physical cd protections. Blah.
If I cant watch TV or use my phone, I get a credit for that day, even if its only a few bux. Sometimes I complain loudly enough to get a free month. Being ripped off in the name of an outage, upgrade or billing problem isnt the users issue. Refund is in order.
One of the problems we have, is when you have clusters with 100+ machines, and need to push configs, or gather stats off each box.
On solaris, we run a script called "shout" that does a for/next loop that ssh's into each box and runs a command for us. We also have one called "Scream" which does some root privilege ssh enabled commands.
Nortel has a nice program called CLIManager (use to be called CLImax), that allows you telnet into multiple passports and run commands. Same idea, but the program formats data to display. Say you wanted to display "ipconfig" on 50 machines, this would format it, so you have columns of data, easy to read and put in reports.
Also, has a "Watch" command that will repeat a command, and format the data. Say you want to display counters.
I have not seen an opensource program that does the same as "CliManager" but its has to be one of the best idea's that should be implemented in opensource. Basically, it logs into multiple machines, parses and displays data, and outputs all errors on another window to keep your main screen clean.
Think of logging into 10 machines, and doing a tail -f on an active log file. Then the program would parse the data, display it in a table, and all updates would be highlighted.
I havnt spoken to the author of CliManager, but I guess he also hated logging into multiple machines, and running the same command. This program has been updated over the years, and is now the standard interface to the nodes. It just uses telnet and a command line, but you can log into 100's of nodes at once.
Wish I could post pics and the tgz file, maybe someone from Nortel can comment. (Runs on Solaris, NT and linux)
If, however, a product recall (patch) were instituted buy the car company to replace the engine part, and the person simply did not take his car to the dealership, the auto company would not be liable for damages.
Outlook is not the only piece of software, nor the only email client with security holes. Valve played fast and loose with their own security, and they got hit by it.
There someone goes again, saying Valve played fast and loose with their own security. Nobody said they didn't have the basic precautions with their PC's, anti-virus, windows update, firewall. The software they used, Microsoft Outlook wasn't patched.
It's not the car companys fault if sudden deceleration causes you to explode through the windshield, because you were not wearing the seatbelt.
How protected does a company need? Do you need to lock everything down to keycard access, DMZ'ed computers, DNA access codes, congress permission to turn on a computer...
They took basic Microsoft updates, anti-virus and a firewall. The patch might of been out, but somehow it didn't make it to the PCs in question. It would be completely different, IF they just put their pc's on a DSL line sitting on the Internet, without any protection, bare to the world. This wasnt the case.
While valve could of used more security, they didnt leave the door unlocked. Stop blaming the victim, Not everyone knows kung-fu and owns an ak-47.
My point is, its not the hack, ITS THE METHOD...
MS Outlook is how they got cracked, the same could happen to Opensource developers, passwords stolen to put trojans in the CVS trees. And btw, makefile and other backdoors have already made it into linux distros, bsd distros, and major server applications.
Unplugging the computer isnt the solution, people need to communicate. Fix the METHOD that people are getting hacked.
99% of most developers are on the net, or have some sort of net access...
And how is this different than the developers of OpenBSD, Apache, Samba and other developers? The network might be firewalled off, but they still use Outlook, which was how these machines where cracked.
Ok, how about Oracle, Informix, Nortel, Ericsson, Lucent, ATT, IBM. You think developers sit in little bubbles with laptops without email? How many do you think run some sort of MS Exchange server with outlook clients? Look how many get viruses/trojans before the anti-virus companies have new definition files, happens ALL THE TIME.
So, point again. Outlook was the way they got into the machines, the hackers didn't touch machines directly because of a firewall.
AND BTW, opensource software cvs sites have been compromised too. Craclers could alter a makefile to put a backdoor in, cvs commit it... oh wait, its already happened to opensource projects.
I have to wonder how long until people start to realize that for truly critical (read millions of dollars) work, you're best off having the production machines OFFLINE.
And how is this different than the developers of OpenBSD, Apache, Samba and other developers? The network might be firewalled off, but they still use Outlook, which was how these machines where cracked.
Blame the part that failed, Microsoft Outlook. Not 1 news story stated that Microsoft Outlook just caused millions of dollars of delays? That hackers took over game developers(s) networks with microsoft outlook security holes. (Valve stated that other developers are also compromised...)
If this was a car, and the engines exploded killing the drive, you can bet your ass that the automaker's name would be on the news.
IRC also tends to be a very easy way to access all kinds of illegal stuff. As well as bait for DDoS and other annoying attacks.
And hardware stores allow people to make bombs, and weapons. Get off the illegal excuse. Anything can be abused.
And DDoS applications now use websites to load commands, and IRC network scan for large bot type networks. Its pretty easy for the police to track people on IRC, if your worried about illegal stuff, dont worry, the feds sit on irc and pretend to be 14 yo girls. Last count, there are over 75 cyber cops sitting on networks just looking for pedophiles. Imagine how many are looking for movies and other warez?
But on the good side, IRC can be encrypted, a place to chat with other people with same interests, get questions answered, user groups, etc. IRC isnt going away, just look at how many networks there are, gamesnet.net, slashnet, opensource servers, support servers for companies, DJ groups, etc. There are thousands of small servers out there, other than the big ones, Efnet, Undernet, etc.
IRC is a tool, when a better tool comes along, you trade up. Until then, go get irssi and have fun.
Ok, we all know games are not coming out perfect, a few bugs. But UBISoft has made some mistakes releasing demos with enough problems to warrent a new demo release. You dont throw the baby out with the bathwater. When 10 new games comes out, which one are you going to buy? Demos, trailers, movies, commericals, reviews are going to get people. If a game is good enough with 1 level to get people to buy it, its worth the money.
Ive been burned the last few years on hype. I wont even buy before doing research now. 15 minutes of research can save me 50 bux. Demos get more time.
Strange, never get bounced emails. All major ISP's still take my email.
I know lots of people who have domains hosted, because they use cable and DSL. I doubht hosting services are going to allow people to send email through them, and MY ISP wont add my domain to his approved email list. I could use reply-to addresses, but people still seem to get reply-to messed up, so I tend to avoid that.
So, I have a local linux box, that runs postfix, that sends out email for me. Nobody uses it but me. This means I will get cut off from sending email (if I used a Cable, they would block me also)...
Its not like we dont know who is sending spam. Its all traceable, and the large ISP's could just get together and report the spammers to an RBL and block 90% of the spam. Which is also what every RBL says, "Soon as 1 large ISP starts using us..."
Wouldnt say its limited, when its been selling at tiger direct for over 8 months. And tiger direct was just one place I noticed, im sure you can find other deals around the net. You can even buy Apple G5's cheaper when you buy them at another site. Maybe only save 200 bux, at places like the macmall, but they throw in free stuff also.
I noticed some Apple re-sellers offered G5's for 1/2 the price (only 2 at that price) to get customers to the stores. Ebay had Dual G5's with 21 inch LCD Monitors for 3K to get people to browse the store.
Same happens in town, the car dealers will let 2-3 cars go at rock bottom prices, to get people to the dealership.
Check Tiger Direct, Dual 2.4's with HT, with xppro and 2kpro for 1600+, Compaq systems, without monitors. But a damn good deal if you need a solid workstation.
Funny, the 2 games on the list I played where Grim Fandango and Blood. Both dark humor about death. Grim Fandango had some nice artwork and south american theme going with it. Very entertaining game, didnt realize it was underrated. The jokes and puns alone made it worth the money. Some parts in it where long, (The ghost car in the garage) but overall was a couple good weekends laughing my ass off.
On the other hand, Blood was released late, and only supported IPX, and Duke Nukem/Quake took the large multiplaying games. Fun game, also dark humor, but everyone moved to Quake lan parties, and duke nukem was on the way out. I think Rise of the Triad should of been on the list, underrated, but also out late.
Thou, my favorite, lan party game, that was the most under-rated was SkyNet. The terminator game, with some good weapons. Nice soundtrack, and sound of terminators chasing you, and some nice weapons made it a very fun game. Too bad an updated version on a newer engine never came out. The closet thing today, would be BF1942, as you can go into buildings, lots of weapons, and vehicals.
Might as throw an RPG game in, Wasteland. The C64 version had to be, one of the most solid GURPS style playing games.
I guess i've always liked Mecha vs Magica type games. RPG/FPS. Thou, mecha vs GOD/Satan has always been a good combo. Man vs Myth, Battle Royal. Something about pulling a trigger and taking out a demon, makes you feel so good.