This is all nice and well, but are there any sites that actually benchmark this CPU under Linux, running some stuff not compiled with intel compiler? AFAIK most of the benchmark software is running on windows is compiled with ICC, and ICC cheats- it disables most optimizations on non-intel CPUs.
How about some linux developer workload? Compile times? IDE performance? Java performance? PHP, Apache, PostgreSQL, MySQL performance? KDE/Gnome performance? CAD/CAM? Matlab or Octave? Bzip2/gzip/SSL/zip under Linux? I know some of these workloads depend on IO/graphics more than on CPU, but I'd like to see results anyway. And I'm sick and tired of reviews that run some Intel compiled synthetic benchmarks and then some games that primarily use GPU anyway. Phoronix is guilty of that as well- they should have more WORK workloads and less FPS counts for games. But at least they are trying- and Bulldozer performance under Linux/GCC isn't that bad compared to Intel CPUs as it is under Windows/ICC.
What about venture capital? They don't get a dime until IPO or buyout, and yet them putting money in startups so that they could grow is considered a valid investment, not a speculation.
Anything that you buy expecting/encouraging it to grow in value could be considered an investment. Risk is a different matter. You could argue there is higher risk that growth will never happen than the risk that you won't get any dividends/interest- but there are risks in both situations.
Nope, I think most people who buy a smartphone use it as a status symbol or buy it because it is "cool" or "the best phone available" or whatever. Few people use anything else than voice, text messages and occasional browse through the web. My wife has a Galaxy S, and she has never installed or used any of the apps, nor written an email (except via gmail via browser). Hell, most people still cannot set clocks on their VCR, let alone use advanced features on a phone.
This is the tragedy of the commons to the fullest. Until a way is found to make companies not to behave like this, all the 99% protests are completely meaningless. Corporations will find a way on how to shift risk & responsability & costs on to general population to gain short term profits.
And keep in mind- when we are talking about financial institutions like banks, the "commons" is our future. They will screw up long term prosperity of the entire world for short term profit. That is why crises happen every ~10 years.
In UK you can get a Novatech laptop without an operating system & install whatever you want yourself. I don't know much about quality of their hardware (I have bought one, it was a rebadged Clevo, worked OK). Most laptops today are compatible with Linux. But when it comes to hardware support, these guys do their job.
Um, I know the DECLARED purpose of ACTA is to curb piracy and counterfeiting, but really, this is about your rights on-line and corporate rule. Piracy is just incidental.
And ignoring that there might not have been a person/God named Jesus at all, and ignoring that he might not have said what he said, but the bible authors just thought it sounds better, and ignoring that original bible versions are long lost and it has been probably copied/rewriten numerous times and probably "improved", and ignoring errors in translation unless you can read ancient hebrew and understand it in exactly the same way as people who lived 2000 years ago. I don't really understand how given all this people do believe english bible sold in stores is 100% precise "word of God".
Well maybe should start thinking of a better one then. A lot of systems have been tried, but never before in history of humankind we had capability to do automated information processing and cheap communication. Hence some systems that were unfeasible in the past can be implemented using todays technology, and maybe new ones can emerge.
Yes, I know I have no specific solutions. However we should realize democracy+capitalism DOESN'T work as advertized, and I doubt it ever will with corporations and mass media and education being the way they are. We should start the effort to design something better. It won't be easy though...
Replacing a human system with another working on same principles is only a temporary solution. Even if you get honest and smart and unselfish and hardworking people into the government by some miracle, 30 years later they will become or be replaced by greedy bastards working for the benefit of corporations. This system does not reward being unselfish and making decisions that would benefit everyone.
However, if you can design a decision making system (probably assisted by computers) that makes let's say 100 random people come to "correct" decisions, you're set. Using this type of management in your company you can outcompete other corporations, and incorporating this into government you can outcompete other countries. It will spread on it's own merits, there won't be a need to have a revolution.
It's hard to define in this context what "correct" is. It's basically a question of how can we aggregate the minds and knowledge of a number of people to come to optimum solution, one that would benefit the entire group. As an example let's assume 100 people have to make a decision on which 7 of these people are competent. Then how do we ensure that the decision is made by the 7 competent people, but in a way that takes the interest of entire group into account, not just 7 decision makers?
Saying "representative democracy only works when people pay attention to government" is like saying "communism only works if people aren't lazy and greedy". Ignorance is just as inherent quality of human beings as greed. Hence democracy/capitalism is also flawed as communism/planned economy/other forms of government.
Until we design a decision making process that works with selfish lazy greedy ignorant people, we won't get anywhere. I believe it can be done, using ideas like ant colony optimization or error detection or correction. We can make electronics work with a certain percentage of flaws- so why not human systems?
I'm just curious what database server are you using in your system. Can you elaborate a bit more, what OS, what usage patterns (data warehouse/web-mostly read/transactions/etc) are dominant in your system?
And there is an intrinsic problem with capitalist democracy, that corporations are enabled to accumulate resources without limit and become powerful enough to subvert the government. That's happening right now all over the world. Well you can argue that's marginally better, as corporations are more interested in enslaving people instead of killing them.
What we need is a government with better corruption resistance. I don't know how to achieve it though. How do you make people disregard their own interest and work to improve lives of other people?
Bah, I have mostly given up with ordering tea at restaurants/caffes/etc. I just order english tea with milk or earl gray- that is at least somewhat drinkable and consistently bad everywhere. If I want a nice cup of gyokuro, I make it myself at home.
There will always be a limited supply of some resources, like villas on top of the hill by the beach and people willing to provide certain services. So you'll have to have some sort of government to distribute these limited resources and it will become corrupted and you'll end up pretty much where we are now. Unless there is a way to create efficient and incorruptible government, all the projects and utopias and whatever to change world order will fail.
We need some sort of collective consciousness or a way to do ECC-like parity error detection on human group decision making to identify and isolate waste and corruption. Or get ourselves ruled by AI. Or develop training/brainwashing techniques that produce incorruptible efficient ruling class of Ubermensh (you can argue that medieval nobility was supposed to provide that, and they failed).
Well, I'm happy to see you so excited about these realizations. Maybe I'm cynical and jaded, but I thought along the same lines for a while now.
It's easy to criticize things. The problem is, how do we fix it? Democracy will degenerate into corporatism over time, and any government will get corrupted by corporations. Markets will be monopolized/dominated and will stop functioning. What is the solution to all this? If you had the power to change the world, what would you do? How would you make it?
Sorry, no time for party.
Too busy setting up data haven/virtual currency and looking for nazi gold that includes gold punchcards that organize philosophical concepts produced by my ancestor in London
Until we get a client that can pierce almost any firewall (like Skype does), we are not going anywhere. Any VoIP implementation that requires you to configure router/firewall/access point will fail. I do hate Skype sometimes for using every dirty trick to get around firewall restrictions, but it gets the job done. I'm not certain but I think Skype will run even if only port 80 is open and tunnel everything via HTTP if that's what needed. It will even work if DNS is broken.
Isn't the code for Sun's standard java library GPL along with the rest of OpenJDK? If so, it should be completely legal to copy it as much as you want.
But this will eat into profit of big telcos as well. I don't understand why do big telcos play by the rules set by the content creation industries. I don't see how that is beneficial the telcos.
I cannot wait until ISPs and electronic industry grow a couple of balls and do what other industries do- establish a lobby, buy a bunch of MPs (preferably more than "creative" industries), and make sure laws like this never get passed.
I mean, Internet providers with electronics industry should earn more than "creative" industries, why do they still deal with this crap and allow RIAA to walk all over them. ISPs and device manufacturers should be the ones writing the rules.
If you can avoid a fight, avoid it. If you are in a fight- you must survive by any means necessary, preferably by escaping. If that fails, by using maximum amount of violence and aggression in shortest period of time possible, and by using every advantage or imporivsed weapon available. And then escaping. Fighting is scary ugly uncivilized brutal thing to be avoided, and that's the way it should be. If your martial arts instructor is teaching you anything else, find some other instructor or style.
Regarding violence in everyday life- I don't see any of it living in the middle of London. It's all over the news, but I think that's just reporters chasing stories that sell. And there's plenty of it in movies & games, but that's because violence & sex sells. As far as I know, statistics show that violent crime in real life is declining, and has been for a while.
I do agree that governments around the world are getting more totalitarian now, and that is scary. It's not the violence per se that scares me the most, it's the "1984" like boot stomping on a human face forever.
Um, I'm a Java developer, and I had plenty of job OFFERS from various different agencies over last several years in London. It has been quieter in 2008/2009, but over last several months things have picked up immensely. So there's plenty of Java demand out there. And lots of banks and other companies I worked for (not all of them big) use java with great success. Java can be used for small/medium end of enterprise market as well.
--Coder
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This is all nice and well, but are there any sites that actually benchmark this CPU under Linux, running some stuff not compiled with intel compiler? AFAIK most of the benchmark software is running on windows is compiled with ICC, and ICC cheats- it disables most optimizations on non-intel CPUs.
How about some linux developer workload? Compile times? IDE performance? Java performance? PHP, Apache, PostgreSQL, MySQL performance? KDE/Gnome performance? CAD/CAM? Matlab or Octave? Bzip2/gzip/SSL/zip under Linux? I know some of these workloads depend on IO/graphics more than on CPU, but I'd like to see results anyway. And I'm sick and tired of reviews that run some Intel compiled synthetic benchmarks and then some games that primarily use GPU anyway. Phoronix is guilty of that as well- they should have more WORK workloads and less FPS counts for games. But at least they are trying- and Bulldozer performance under Linux/GCC isn't that bad compared to Intel CPUs as it is under Windows/ICC.
--Coder
Actually I think you can expose services via RMI-IIOP using Jboss easily. I haven't tried invoking any services from Java over IIOP though.
http://www.jboss.org/jbossiiop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMI-IIOP
--Coder
What about venture capital? They don't get a dime until IPO or buyout, and yet them putting money in startups so that they could grow is considered a valid investment, not a speculation.
Anything that you buy expecting/encouraging it to grow in value could be considered an investment. Risk is a different matter. You could argue there is higher risk that growth will never happen than the risk that you won't get any dividends/interest- but there are risks in both situations.
--Coder
Nope, I think most people who buy a smartphone use it as a status symbol or buy it because it is "cool" or "the best phone available" or whatever. Few people use anything else than voice, text messages and occasional browse through the web. My wife has a Galaxy S, and she has never installed or used any of the apps, nor written an email (except via gmail via browser). Hell, most people still cannot set clocks on their VCR, let alone use advanced features on a phone.
--Coder
This is the tragedy of the commons to the fullest. Until a way is found to make companies not to behave like this, all the 99% protests are completely meaningless. Corporations will find a way on how to shift risk & responsability & costs on to general population to gain short term profits.
And keep in mind- when we are talking about financial institutions like banks, the "commons" is our future. They will screw up long term prosperity of the entire world for short term profit. That is why crises happen every ~10 years.
Question is, how do we change this?
--Coder
In UK you can get a Novatech laptop without an operating system & install whatever you want yourself. I don't know much about quality of their hardware (I have bought one, it was a rebadged Clevo, worked OK). Most laptops today are compatible with Linux. But when it comes to hardware support, these guys do their job.
--Coder
Um, I know the DECLARED purpose of ACTA is to curb piracy and counterfeiting, but really, this is about your rights on-line and corporate rule. Piracy is just incidental.
--Coder
And ignoring that there might not have been a person/God named Jesus at all, and ignoring that he might not have said what he said, but the bible authors just thought it sounds better, and ignoring that original bible versions are long lost and it has been probably copied/rewriten numerous times and probably "improved", and ignoring errors in translation unless you can read ancient hebrew and understand it in exactly the same way as people who lived 2000 years ago. I don't really understand how given all this people do believe english bible sold in stores is 100% precise "word of God".
Well maybe should start thinking of a better one then. A lot of systems have been tried, but never before in history of humankind we had capability to do automated information processing and cheap communication. Hence some systems that were unfeasible in the past can be implemented using todays technology, and maybe new ones can emerge.
Yes, I know I have no specific solutions. However we should realize democracy+capitalism DOESN'T work as advertized, and I doubt it ever will with corporations and mass media and education being the way they are. We should start the effort to design something better. It won't be easy though...
--Coder
Replacing a human system with another working on same principles is only a temporary solution. Even if you get honest and smart and unselfish and hardworking people into the government by some miracle, 30 years later they will become or be replaced by greedy bastards working for the benefit of corporations. This system does not reward being unselfish and making decisions that would benefit everyone.
However, if you can design a decision making system (probably assisted by computers) that makes let's say 100 random people come to "correct" decisions, you're set. Using this type of management in your company you can outcompete other corporations, and incorporating this into government you can outcompete other countries. It will spread on it's own merits, there won't be a need to have a revolution.
It's hard to define in this context what "correct" is. It's basically a question of how can we aggregate the minds and knowledge of a number of people to come to optimum solution, one that would benefit the entire group. As an example let's assume 100 people have to make a decision on which 7 of these people are competent. Then how do we ensure that the decision is made by the 7 competent people, but in a way that takes the interest of entire group into account, not just 7 decision makers?
--Coder
I liked the Cracked article that described our future as FARTS based economy. That is Forced ARTificial Scarcity. Perfectly fitting acronym for it.
--Coder
Saying "representative democracy only works when people pay attention to government" is like saying "communism only works if people aren't lazy and greedy". Ignorance is just as inherent quality of human beings as greed. Hence democracy/capitalism is also flawed as communism/planned economy/other forms of government.
Until we design a decision making process that works with selfish lazy greedy ignorant people, we won't get anywhere. I believe it can be done, using ideas like ant colony optimization or error detection or correction. We can make electronics work with a certain percentage of flaws- so why not human systems?
--Coder
Hi,
I'm just curious what database server are you using in your system. Can you elaborate a bit more, what OS, what usage patterns (data warehouse/web-mostly read/transactions/etc) are dominant in your system?
--Coder
I went through the same things. Add debian to the list as well :)
And best of luck, Rob!
And there is an intrinsic problem with capitalist democracy, that corporations are enabled to accumulate resources without limit and become powerful enough to subvert the government. That's happening right now all over the world. Well you can argue that's marginally better, as corporations are more interested in enslaving people instead of killing them.
What we need is a government with better corruption resistance. I don't know how to achieve it though. How do you make people disregard their own interest and work to improve lives of other people?
Bah, I have mostly given up with ordering tea at restaurants/caffes/etc. I just order english tea with milk or earl gray- that is at least somewhat drinkable and consistently bad everywhere. If I want a nice cup of gyokuro, I make it myself at home.
There will always be a limited supply of some resources, like villas on top of the hill by the beach and people willing to provide certain services. So you'll have to have some sort of government to distribute these limited resources and it will become corrupted and you'll end up pretty much where we are now. Unless there is a way to create efficient and incorruptible government, all the projects and utopias and whatever to change world order will fail.
We need some sort of collective consciousness or a way to do ECC-like parity error detection on human group decision making to identify and isolate waste and corruption. Or get ourselves ruled by AI. Or develop training/brainwashing techniques that produce incorruptible efficient ruling class of Ubermensh (you can argue that medieval nobility was supposed to provide that, and they failed).
--Coder
Well, I'm happy to see you so excited about these realizations. Maybe I'm cynical and jaded, but I thought along the same lines for a while now.
It's easy to criticize things. The problem is, how do we fix it? Democracy will degenerate into corporatism over time, and any government will get corrupted by corporations. Markets will be monopolized/dominated and will stop functioning. What is the solution to all this? If you had the power to change the world, what would you do? How would you make it?
--Coder
Sorry, no time for party. Too busy setting up data haven/virtual currency and looking for nazi gold that includes gold punchcards that organize philosophical concepts produced by my ancestor in London
Until we get a client that can pierce almost any firewall (like Skype does), we are not going anywhere. Any VoIP implementation that requires you to configure router/firewall/access point will fail. I do hate Skype sometimes for using every dirty trick to get around firewall restrictions, but it gets the job done. I'm not certain but I think Skype will run even if only port 80 is open and tunnel everything via HTTP if that's what needed. It will even work if DNS is broken.
--Coder
Isn't the code for Sun's standard java library GPL along with the rest of OpenJDK? If so, it should be completely legal to copy it as much as you want.
--Coder
But this will eat into profit of big telcos as well. I don't understand why do big telcos play by the rules set by the content creation industries. I don't see how that is beneficial the telcos.
---Coder
I cannot wait until ISPs and electronic industry grow a couple of balls and do what other industries do- establish a lobby, buy a bunch of MPs (preferably more than "creative" industries), and make sure laws like this never get passed.
I mean, Internet providers with electronics industry should earn more than "creative" industries, why do they still deal with this crap and allow RIAA to walk all over them. ISPs and device manufacturers should be the ones writing the rules.
--Coder
If you can avoid a fight, avoid it. If you are in a fight- you must survive by any means necessary, preferably by escaping. If that fails, by using maximum amount of violence and aggression in shortest period of time possible, and by using every advantage or imporivsed weapon available. And then escaping. Fighting is scary ugly uncivilized brutal thing to be avoided, and that's the way it should be. If your martial arts instructor is teaching you anything else, find some other instructor or style.
Regarding violence in everyday life- I don't see any of it living in the middle of London. It's all over the news, but I think that's just reporters chasing stories that sell. And there's plenty of it in movies & games, but that's because violence & sex sells. As far as I know, statistics show that violent crime in real life is declining, and has been for a while.
I do agree that governments around the world are getting more totalitarian now, and that is scary. It's not the violence per se that scares me the most, it's the "1984" like boot stomping on a human face forever.
--Coder
Um, I'm a Java developer, and I had plenty of job OFFERS from various different agencies over last several years in London. It has been quieter in 2008/2009, but over last several months things have picked up immensely. So there's plenty of Java demand out there. And lots of banks and other companies I worked for (not all of them big) use java with great success. Java can be used for small/medium end of enterprise market as well.
--Coder