I would still like to thank ID for releasing q3 for linux so fast. It runs great on my average Cele500 with a V3 card.
The price for q3 was the same for linux as it was for MS windows when the pre-orders started so I don't think that was the problem.
I think 1) alot of linux users are not into games. 2) alot of linux users that are into games play them on windows because they really think that 15 more frames per second is going to make them better on the net. 3) then the guys like me that will buy the linux version because we don't Use windows.
I would guess that the guys that don't use windows at all and play games alot are a pretty small group. And being that I'm fall in the that group I salute you.
My first book was "tips and tricks of the game programming guru's" The great thing about that book was that when my mind wandered I wrote programs like a file transfer program that work with 2 computers serial ports. I see alot of BASIC on this topic and I wound not think that Basic would be exciting. ( It wasn't when I was young ).
Smartsheep.com was a secret url for private testers in St.Louis to use to get to the site. We looked at our selfs as sheep when we worked for General Electric as Developers. We thought of our selfs as smartsheep when we left Corp America to start our own gig.
Ah no. The Idea mainly applys to closed source software. Will everyone make money that joins? That would rock. but I don't think it will happen. Will some members make money? Maybe... There is a good chance.
Will Open source projects make money? Most likly not. But if it's on Asynchrony and we do a book. or someone wants to pay the team for mods then We will be able to know who did what and contact the persons that did it. As for "trickle the shares down." Well there are two ways a closed source project can go. They can let us support it as a Asynchrony.com application for 75% of the total (not gross) or they can put it up as shareware and collect 90%. If the App sells thats alittle more then a Trickle and alot more then Consultant firms or Corp America will give you.
Asynchrony is not trying to pimp it self as open source. That open-source white paper is burried in the site docs to anwser why we have open-source as a option for projects.
The idea is that if you just learned something to learn it or for that special project, and now you have no where to use that information. Now lets say you really liked doing it and want to do it more. Then maybe you would go to a site like asynchrony and find a project that needs your skills. Or what if you got a killer idea doing a carl sagan in the shower. But you don't know how to do it all. Then you could bring your idea to asynchrony and find others interested in taking that chance.
Let me paraphrase. Asynchrony is letting open source projects pay the same fee for using the web site as for profit projects. It's FREE.
Damon C. Richardson Chief (or is it Chef?) something. damon.richardson@asynchrony.com
This allways blows me away. During the last 2 years I've heard alot of Developers and Sys admins complaining about WinNT. I have never heard the amount of complaining about Novel. As a matter of fact I can name alot of Network admins that Hate WinNT and want their Novel servers back. My Opinion? As a developer I would feel alot better if my source code was on Novel box and on a different sub-net then any Win2000 servers.
Does the world outside of the linux community really think that we would want MS applications on Linux?
It is my opion that (the GNU) Linux "Movement" is about open standards for applications. Tricks like changing file formats ever-so slightly to force people to upgrade is not the GNU way. With this in mind it has become the dream of thousands (if not millions) of Windows users to ween them selfs off of microsoft software. After quitting my corp job. I was able to kiss all MS software goodby and let me tell you kids It really does feel great. And my computers get used alot more now. ( insert quick Prayer for DVD here ).
Like most Linux users I would rather use a flaky browser then Use IE and promote MS IIS server extensions. Or more to the point I would rather download wav's on a 300baud modem then use MS Media player.
Now to the part I know some of you guys will hate. If you wanted to insure that windows media player did not become the only choice for the next generation of streaming video or audio you should break out your Linux Credit Card And go purchase RealPlayer.
The way I see it, if there is not a quality GPL type project in this area. Then we almost have to support the private projects that fill the need. If realaudio were to lose the desktops they will loose the Streaming Server customers. Which would mean that Linux users would have to use Microsofts Stream Media player for video. And how could we be sure that would be a Quality product. Would we be able to even trust running it? If its our only choice then THAT WOULD SUCK!
Think about how you can help to provid choices. No matter what your OS.
First. Alot of people that use AOL like my mom that MIGHT benefit from this. ( I think ) This could mean more services that My mom really wants. (Like instant messages about TNT t-shirts for sale). A Cable modem for AOL? ( have no idea what these knuckle heads are planing). The only thing I worry about is not having the option to use these services with Linux. ( I would not be caught Dead on AOL).
Second. Who really cares as long as I can play quake3 with linux and 50ms ping.
Third. Ted Turner is a idiot. And Hanoi Jane Fonda is still a babe. (except she is as old as my mom).
Barbarella for ever!
My final point is they CAN'T MAKE you pay for this stuff. Just sit back and get ready to laugh if their plans flop.
Yes. I like Wine. No I don't use a Windows OS at work or at home. I'm the kind of guy MS fears... I used to write software with there dev tools for their OS. Now I work only with Linux. It was not hard to get here. I do not need to use IE5 to read webpages. So what does this do for me? Nothing. Am I impressed? NO! Why? I've seen this kinda thing befour. Will it change things? No not really. Should this company release their software for Linux? I don't care. And here is why.
I see the future of computing depending on a net connection and a browser. Why get hung up on the OS someone uses when It's all going back to a Central browser/server based computting model anyway.
If you use Linux save your money. If you use windows and Linux. Enjoy the free time you get from rebooting.
Guys correct me if im wrong. ( sure someone will) but didn't Xig get there original code from XFree? I thought that they did. I tried there demo server on a laptop a long time ago... It did not work. The only time I have ever had a problem with XFree was with Beta servers for 3dfx and TNT chips... and those server were not official... I have be running Linux for over 4 years. I just can't remember one time when a official Xfree server crashed. Maybe I'm lucky. Maybe I'm forget full. But this sounds like a unfair slam.
Hmm... Same thing happened to me.... Only I was told that there was no way that Linux would work with the cable modem.... Crack I tell you. These people are getting free crack!
I think you said it all right there. You have an opinion, but no information, facts, or even hunches.
Yep.
Given your tenor, you would probably be happier with Win98 than either of linux or *BSD.
Hmm... Nope, Been getting paid to program in *nix for over 3 years now. Been using linux for over 4. I don't even have any MS software.( Okay I have some Driver disks that came with Some hardware ).
This statement is so misinformed is denies a response. Just in case you were wondering, FreeBSD runs linux binaries without recompiling.
Well. I meant *nix not *BSD but Oh well Can't post with out some AC getting on your case.
First off. I was not impressed with the story. Even though I have never used BSD (Other then a couple of passing hours at a Terminal), I don't agree with the authors tone that *BSD is better. What defines Better? The thing that keeps coming to mind is the rate at which Linux is improving. There seems to be more angry *BSD People around saying why are you playing with Linux when you could be using *BSD. The fact is that I can not see one reason to install BSD on one of my computers. Not one single reason! I use Linux for everything now. My reason is that the type of applications and utils that I use and download are coming out for Linux first now. Then it gets ported to other *nix's. This is a big turn around from when I first started using Linux. I can remember some pretty late nights trying to get other *nix source code to compile on Linux. I have to wonder if all the *BSD anger is steming from the fact that Now they are trying to Port Linux Utils to *BSD. That Might not be the reason. (Because I think it is easier to port from linux to other *nix then the other way around). Still.... The Cold Hard Fact is that I'm going to use what I want. If I want to use NT because I can't find any good people to admin Unix then I will. If I want to use Linux because half my help desk staff is running it at home then I will. If I wanted to use A amiga because I'm some kinda of freak trying to punish myself then I will.
I can't tell you why Linux is more popular then *BSD.. Hell, I'm not even sure if it is. It seems to me that more people like Linux. Just get used to it.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go to my brothers house and tell him he's a loser for using a Mac.
Well... I just got a full time Linux Programming job. I will be leaving a Windows only company. Here is my experiance. First let me say that I work for a realy big company. The second largest in the world. Here is what I found about windows programming and the reason I can't wait to delete all the windows programming software off my Hard drives at home. First I will start with C code. At a large company you have a lot of programs that are old as dirt. Like one C program I had to kinda redo to get to compile with MSVC++ 5.0. When I looked at the code for the first time I thought It was very well written. There were even If defs on the reusable source files that could be re-compiled to OS/2 and Unix. It was these files that caused the most problems. Why you ask? Because Microsoft in a attempt to kill portable C code has changed alot of functions that were ANSII Standard functions to functions that Now have a underline in the frount and capitals in the function name. This turned out to be a nightmare since the Help files for Microsoft sometimes did not make the new names clear. Not to mention the fact that now the code was not nearly as portable as it was befour. since most of these functions were part of the code that should not have needed to be changed to compile on other OS's. After 4 years writing C code that should be as easy as a recompile to another OS this deeply affected my opion of Microsoft. Okay Okay... so this is a pretty easy problem to fix.... It was time consuming and still sucked. It is also a reason why I will be using a different compiler then MSVC++ in the future. ( if i ever do windows again ).
Second problem. This time MSVB. From VB4.0 16bit to VB6.0 32bit. This time a control from a 3rd party that worked perfect under windows 3.11 did not work at all under windows95. So... I had the task to compile to VB 32 bit. When trying to compile under VB6.0 I was presented with a ton of other problems. Seems that all the other 3rd party Objects that was used in the VB program would not work at all under VB6.0. Seems that Microsoft had purchased all these controls and put them into VB6.0 with the same names only now they all used the Variant data types. This nightmare extended it self to all most every method that displayed data to the user. So yet again. Not a real hard problem, but very time consuming and it sucked. I have done quite a bit of Unix type programming in my time. Most of the time I would write things like BSD Socket services on linux first. Almost every time I would take my Linux source and move it to UnixWare, SCO, or BSD. All I had to do was to change the compile options in the Makefile. The *nix code I wrote 4 years ago can still be compiled on all most any *nix box. I can't say that for my C code for Windows. Now I don't even try to make windows code portable.
I don't think that the "Hard Core" windows programmers even care about running there code on other platforms. So maybe they are more inclined to dink around every time Microsoft comes out with a new Dev Package. I'm not. Thats why I'm leaving the world of MS Windows. Besides InfoWare ( or Web based applications ) will make the OS a client is using a mute point anyway. Also. since I work for a really large company that has based there application on MS products there will be quite alot of programming needed to be done when they try to get the current application Security model working on Win2000. I'm glad I wont be around for that!
I'll die befour I carry something that tracks me on my way to work. Then to Jack in the Box for lunch. Then back to work. Then back home. Then to Blockbuster and McDonnalds. Then Home. Maybe to the gas station for a pack of cigarettes. And back home. Then It would track me on my way to work.
My god, I'm stuck in a loop!
Can someone tell me why on earth would I want to save that again?
MindCraft and anyone else that gets mail like this should make it public. The fact is that the linux community has allways been like this. Even guys that have used Linux longer then me. ( 4 years ). I guess that people can't figure out that this type of behavior is not acceptable on the net. If mindcraft wanted to all they would have to do is send e-mail of that type to the isp's it came from and those accounts would be shut off. These e-mails are coming from the same type people that make fun of Windows only users. Maybe they don't get it. We have to be nice. We have to tell truths. Not throw mud. If you can't speak as a authority on something you have no bussiness addressing issues like mindcraft.
E-mails like this make me sad... I remeber the OS/2 wars. People thought that OS/2 programmers were a bunch of flaks after reading comments like this... So now the same mentality is at work to bring down linux too.
Didn't your mom tell you if you can't say anything nice then keep your mouth shut? She told you that so that people would not think she raised a idiot.
MindCraft and anyone else that gets mail like this should make it public. The fact is that the linux community has allways been like this. Even guys that have used Linux longer then me. ( 4 years ). I guess that people can't figure out that this type of behavior is not acceptable on the net. If mindcraft wanted to all they would have to do is send e-mail of that type to the isp's it came from and those accounts would be shut off. These e-mails are coming from the same type people that make fun of Windows only users. Maybe they don't get it. We have to be nice. We have to tell truths. Not throw mud. If you can't speak as a authority on something you have no bussiness addressing issues like mindcraft.
E-mails like this make me sad... I remeber the OS/2 wars. People thought that OS/2 programmers were a bunch of flaks after reading comments like this... So now the same mentality is at work to bring down linux too.
Didn't your mom tell you if you can't say anything nice then keep your mouth shut? She told you that so that people would not thing she raised a idiot.
I think the thing missed is rate at which Linux has improved. In 91' Microsoft has a foot hold in the computer reveloution. Linux had a couple thousand lines of code that no one wanted. Years would go by befour small amounts of people started to notice Linux. When Windows95 came out Linux was starting to shape up. ( this is when I came in ). Linux, even with its poor driver support still managed to be installable on most PC's. In the past 4 years Linux has made leaps and bounds. The user base has gone from thousands to millions. More programmers started to take notice of Linux, and liked it over windows. Hardware manufactures are now helping to develope drivers for Linux. The worlds best Game company has ported Doom, doom2, Quake, Quake2. Now we are getting Quake3 in a box with Linux stamped on the system requirements. I myself do not know of a time when the user base of Linux has gotten smaller. I think It is unfair for anyone to say that Linux is a fad. We are living in a exciting time of Linux history. There are things on the horizion to get very excited about right now. X-windows 4.0, Better support for highend hardware, Common desktop enviroments, and increasing stablity. I don't want to forget the attention of companys like Oracle, IBM, Compaq, and DELL.
The developers that contribute to all the Linux projects should be given a round of applause. You have done great work and I thank you.
The reason I don't think Linux will be dead anytime soon is: There will allways be people that want to be able to control every part of there computer ( or soon device ). For these people a MS GUI does give the power to control. Also the idea of clear text. Meaning that you can read and edit any config file. Or set up powerful scripts to configure and maintain the system. Things people in redmond don't understand why you would want to. But its the fact that they don't understand the user can do anything concept that will defeat them.
As for the communist remark. It would seem to me that a communist operating system might do things like track your documents with id numbers that they would not want you to know about. Or enable features that put you at risk then be told that they are on by default for your own good. A communist Operating system might even tell you the lie that you need the newest version inorder to be productive. Or Keep secrets from their public to maintain the illusion that the OS is safe from your competitors or criminals.
My opion is that this guy is wronge. Linux will not die. As long as anyone can download it for free it will never die.
Personnaly..... Between you and me.... I think he's pissed they did not put him in the movie "Pirates of white bread vally."
I write alot of Client/Server Services. Mostly hitting Databases. I do agree that I love my work. Still I'm also a speed FREAK! Every Blue moon a Security guard will catch me running from PC to PC in the office. Runing what I like to call Load tests. With over 700 clients company wide I want my services to run as fast as possible. ( So they do not get replaced by MTS ). Even though the company does not care how fast it runs as long as no one notices a wait. I still like to do my own meger Benchmarks for myself. I think its very cool to come up with a tweak that will let me get 25-50 more tranactions in a minute. I'm not sure why so many people seem to put down benchmarks. Benchmarks decide what CPU I buy for Quake, What video card I buy for quake, And what Database I use for a VERY Large size company.
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I would still like to thank ID for releasing q3 for linux so fast. It runs great on my average Cele500 with a V3 card.
The price for q3 was the same for linux as it was for MS windows when the pre-orders started so I don't think that was the problem.
I think 1) alot of linux users are not into games. 2) alot of linux users that are into games play them on windows because they really think that 15 more frames per second is going to make them better on the net. 3) then the guys like me that will buy the linux version because we don't Use windows.
I would guess that the guys that don't use windows at all and play games alot are a pretty small group. And being that I'm fall in the that group I salute you.
Damon
My first book was "tips and tricks of the game programming guru's" The great thing about that book was that when my mind wandered I wrote programs like a file transfer program that work with 2 computers serial ports. I see alot of BASIC on this topic and I wound not think that Basic would be exciting. ( It wasn't when I was young ).
Why don't we worship the guy that wrote ls instead.
Hmm or better yet how about we all agree to go back to having our own thoughts. Then get back to posting interesting stuff.
Smartsheep.com was a secret url for private testers in St.Louis to use to get to the site. We looked at our selfs as sheep when we worked for General Electric as Developers. We thought of our selfs as smartsheep when we left Corp America to start our own gig.
Only the team that is working on the project makes reviews of the others on the Team Asynchrony does nothing as far as rating a project or person.
Ah no. The Idea mainly applys to closed source software. Will everyone make money that joins? That would rock. but I don't think it will happen. Will some members make money? Maybe... There is a good chance.
Will Open source projects make money? Most likly not. But if it's on Asynchrony and we do a book. or someone wants to pay the team for mods then We will be able to know who did what and contact the
persons that did it. As for "trickle the shares down." Well there are two ways a closed source project can go. They can let us support it as a Asynchrony.com application for 75% of the total (not gross) or they can put it up as shareware and collect 90%. If the App sells thats alittle more then a Trickle and alot more then Consultant firms or Corp America will give you.
Asynchrony is not trying to pimp it self as open source. That open-source white paper is burried in the site docs to anwser why we have open-source as a option for projects.
The idea is that if you just learned something to learn it or for that special project, and now you have no where to use that information. Now lets say you really liked doing it and want to do it more. Then maybe you would go to a site like asynchrony and find a project that needs your skills. Or what if you got a killer idea doing a carl sagan in the shower. But you don't know how to do it all. Then you could bring your idea to asynchrony and find others interested in taking that chance.
Let me paraphrase. Asynchrony is letting open source projects pay the same fee for using the web site as for profit projects. It's FREE.
Damon C. Richardson
Chief (or is it Chef?) something.
damon.richardson@asynchrony.com
Thanks, :4)
The Quake server was my idea
This allways blows me away. During the last 2 years I've heard alot of Developers and Sys admins complaining about WinNT. I have never heard the amount of complaining about Novel. As a matter of fact I can name alot of Network admins that Hate WinNT and want their Novel servers back. My Opinion? As a developer I would feel alot better if my source code was on Novel box and on a different sub-net then any Win2000 servers.
Does the world outside of the linux community really think that we would want MS applications on Linux?
It is my opion that (the GNU) Linux "Movement" is about open standards for applications. Tricks like changing file formats ever-so slightly to force people to upgrade is not the GNU way. With this in mind it has become the dream of thousands (if not millions) of Windows users to ween them selfs off of microsoft software. After quitting my corp job. I was able to kiss all MS software goodby and let me tell you kids It really does feel great. And my computers get used alot more now. ( insert quick Prayer for DVD here ).
Like most Linux users I would rather use a flaky browser then Use IE and promote MS IIS server extensions. Or more to the point I would rather download wav's on a 300baud modem then use MS Media player.
Now to the part I know some of you guys will hate. If you wanted to insure that windows media player did not become the only choice for the next generation of streaming video or audio you should break out your Linux Credit Card And go purchase RealPlayer.
The way I see it, if there is not a quality GPL type project in this area. Then we almost have to support the private projects that fill the need. If realaudio were to lose the desktops they will loose the Streaming Server customers. Which would mean that Linux users would have to use Microsofts Stream Media player for video. And how could we be sure that would be a Quality product. Would we be able to even trust running it? If its our only choice then THAT WOULD SUCK!
Think about how you can help to provid choices. No matter what your OS.
First. Alot of people that use AOL like my mom that MIGHT benefit from this. ( I think ) This could mean more services that My mom really wants. (Like instant messages about TNT t-shirts for sale). A Cable modem for AOL? ( have no idea what these knuckle heads are planing). The only thing I worry about is not having the option to use these services with Linux. ( I would not be caught Dead on AOL).
Second. Who really cares as long as I can play quake3 with linux and 50ms ping.
Third. Ted Turner is a idiot. And Hanoi Jane Fonda is still a babe. (except she is as old as my mom).
Barbarella for ever!
My final point is they CAN'T MAKE you pay for this stuff. Just sit back and get ready to laugh if their plans flop.
Everyone Loves a good witch hunt. Lets target the kids that are smart enough to figure out that all they teach you at school is to be a good worker.
Now I guess that public schools will need more money. How else can they combat this threat?
A note to All the kids that fit this description:
The system has failed you, Don't fail yourself.
(any one see the Billy Bragg references?)
Yes. I like Wine. No I don't use a Windows OS at work or at home. I'm the kind of guy MS fears... I used to write software with there dev tools for their OS. Now I work only with Linux. It was not hard to get here. I do not need to use IE5 to read webpages. So what does this do for me?
Nothing.
Am I impressed? NO!
Why? I've seen this kinda thing befour.
Will it change things? No not really.
Should this company release their software for Linux? I don't care. And here is why.
I see the future of computing depending on a net connection and a browser. Why get hung up on the OS someone uses when It's all going back to a Central browser/server based computting model anyway.
If you use Linux save your money. If you use windows and Linux. Enjoy the free time you get from rebooting.
Guys correct me if im wrong. ( sure someone will)
but didn't Xig get there original code from XFree?
I thought that they did. I tried there demo server on a laptop a long time ago... It did not work. The only time I have ever had a problem with XFree was with Beta servers for 3dfx and TNT chips... and those server were not official... I have be running Linux for over 4 years. I just can't remember one time when a official Xfree server crashed. Maybe I'm lucky. Maybe I'm forget full. But this sounds like a unfair slam.
What is the world coming to?
Civ3 on Linux Rocks. I would work 60 hours a week at that job.
Hmm... Same thing happened to me.... Only I was told that there was no way that Linux would work with the cable modem.... Crack I tell you. These people are getting free crack!
I think you said it all right there. You have an opinion, but no information, facts, or even hunches.
Yep.
Given your tenor, you would probably be happier with Win98 than either of linux or *BSD.
Hmm... Nope, Been getting paid to program in *nix for over 3 years now. Been using linux for over 4. I don't even have any MS software.( Okay I have some Driver disks that came with Some hardware ).
This statement is so misinformed is denies a response. Just in case you were wondering, FreeBSD runs linux binaries without recompiling.
Well. I meant *nix not *BSD but Oh well Can't post with out some AC getting on your case.
First off. I was not impressed with the story. Even though I have never used BSD (Other then a couple of passing hours at a Terminal), I don't agree with the authors tone that *BSD is better. What defines Better? The thing that keeps coming to mind is the rate at which Linux is improving. There seems to be more angry *BSD People around saying why are you playing with Linux when you could be using *BSD. The fact is that I can not see one reason to install BSD on one of my computers. Not one single reason! I use Linux for everything now. My reason is that the type of applications and utils that I use and download are coming out for Linux first now. Then it gets ported to other *nix's. This is a big turn around from when I first started using Linux. I can remember some pretty late nights trying to get other *nix source code to compile on Linux. I have to wonder if all the *BSD anger is steming from the fact that Now they are trying to Port Linux Utils to *BSD. That Might not be the reason. (Because I think it is easier to port from linux to other *nix then the other way around).
Still.... The Cold Hard Fact is that I'm going to use what I want. If I want to use NT because I can't find any good people to admin Unix then I will. If I want to use Linux because half my help desk staff is running it at home then I will. If I wanted to use A amiga because I'm some kinda of freak trying to punish myself then I will.
I can't tell you why Linux is more popular then *BSD.. Hell, I'm not even sure if it is. It seems to me that more people like Linux. Just get used to it.
Now if you'll excuse me I have to go to my brothers house and tell him he's a loser for using a Mac.
Well...
I just got a full time Linux Programming job. I will be leaving a Windows only company. Here is my experiance. First let me say that I work for a realy big company. The second largest in the world. Here is what I found about windows programming and the reason I can't wait to delete all the windows programming software off my Hard drives at home.
First I will start with C code. At a large company you have a lot of programs that are old as dirt. Like one C program I had to kinda redo to get to compile with MSVC++ 5.0. When I looked at the code for the first time I thought It was very well written. There were even If defs on the reusable source files that could be re-compiled to OS/2 and Unix. It was these files that caused the most problems. Why you ask? Because Microsoft in a attempt to kill portable C code has changed alot of functions that were ANSII Standard functions to functions that Now have a underline in the frount and capitals in the function name. This turned out to be a nightmare since the Help files for Microsoft sometimes did not make the new names clear. Not to mention the fact that now the code was not nearly as portable as it was befour. since most of these functions were part of the code that should not have needed to be changed to compile on other OS's. After 4 years writing C code that should be as easy as a recompile to another OS this deeply affected my opion of Microsoft. Okay Okay... so this is a pretty easy problem to fix.... It was time consuming and still sucked. It is also a reason why I will be using a different compiler then MSVC++ in the future. ( if i ever do windows again ).
Second problem. This time MSVB. From VB4.0 16bit to VB6.0 32bit. This time a control from a 3rd party that worked perfect under windows 3.11 did not work at all under windows95. So... I had the task to compile to VB 32 bit. When trying to compile under VB6.0 I was presented with a ton of other problems. Seems that all the other 3rd party Objects that was used in the VB program would not work at all under VB6.0. Seems that Microsoft had purchased all these controls and put them into VB6.0 with the same names only now they all used the Variant data types. This nightmare extended it self to all most every method that displayed data to the user. So yet again. Not a real hard problem, but very time consuming and it sucked.
I have done quite a bit of Unix type programming in my time. Most of the time I would write things like BSD Socket services on linux first. Almost every time I would take my Linux source and move it to UnixWare, SCO, or BSD. All I had to do was to change the compile options in the Makefile. The *nix code I wrote 4 years ago can still be compiled on all most any *nix box. I can't say that for my C code for Windows. Now I don't even try to make windows code portable.
I don't think that the "Hard Core" windows programmers even care about running there code on other platforms. So maybe they are more inclined to dink around every time Microsoft comes out with a new Dev Package. I'm not. Thats why I'm leaving the world of MS Windows. Besides InfoWare ( or Web based applications ) will make the OS a client is using a mute point anyway.
Also. since I work for a really large company that has based there application on MS products there will be quite alot of programming needed to be done when they try to get the current application Security model working on Win2000. I'm glad I wont be around for that!
I'll die befour I carry something that tracks me on my way to work. Then to Jack in the Box for lunch. Then back to work. Then back home. Then to Blockbuster and McDonnalds. Then Home. Maybe to the gas station for a pack of cigarettes. And back home. Then It would track me on my way to work.
My god, I'm stuck in a loop!
Can someone tell me why on earth would I want to save that again?
MindCraft and anyone else that gets mail like this should make it public.
The fact is that the linux community has allways been like this. Even guys that have used Linux longer then me. ( 4 years ).
I guess that people can't figure out that this type of behavior is not acceptable on the net. If mindcraft wanted to all they would have to do is send e-mail of that type to the isp's it came from and those accounts would be shut off. These e-mails are coming from the same type people that make fun of Windows only users. Maybe they don't get it. We have to be nice. We have to tell truths. Not throw mud. If you can't speak as a authority on something you have no bussiness addressing issues like mindcraft.
E-mails like this make me sad... I remeber the OS/2 wars. People thought that OS/2 programmers were a bunch of flaks after reading comments like this... So now the same mentality is at work to bring down linux too.
Didn't your mom tell you if you can't say anything nice then keep your mouth shut? She told you that so that people would not think she raised a idiot.
MindCraft and anyone else that gets mail like this should make it public.
The fact is that the linux community has allways been like this. Even guys that have used Linux longer then me. ( 4 years ).
I guess that people can't figure out that this type of behavior is not acceptable on the net. If mindcraft wanted to all they would have to do is send e-mail of that type to the isp's it came from and those accounts would be shut off. These e-mails are coming from the same type people that make fun of Windows only users. Maybe they don't get it. We have to be nice. We have to tell truths. Not throw mud. If you can't speak as a authority on something you have no bussiness addressing issues like mindcraft.
E-mails like this make me sad... I remeber the OS/2 wars. People thought that OS/2 programmers were a bunch of flaks after reading comments like this... So now the same mentality is at work to bring down linux too.
Didn't your mom tell you if you can't say anything nice then keep your mouth shut? She told you that so that people would not thing she raised a idiot.
I thing It could have used Jar Jar Binks. Maybe he could have played the guy that invented the ethernet.
I think the thing missed is rate at which Linux has improved. In 91' Microsoft has a foot hold in the computer reveloution. Linux had a couple thousand lines of code that no one wanted. Years would go by befour small amounts of people started to notice Linux. When Windows95 came out Linux was starting to shape up. ( this is when I came in ). Linux, even with its poor driver support still managed to be installable on most PC's. In the past 4 years Linux has made leaps and bounds. The user base has gone from thousands to millions. More programmers started to take notice of Linux, and liked it over windows. Hardware manufactures are now helping to develope drivers for Linux. The worlds best Game company has ported Doom, doom2, Quake, Quake2. Now we are getting Quake3 in a box with Linux stamped on the system requirements.
I myself do not know of a time when the user base of Linux has gotten smaller. I think It is unfair for anyone to say that Linux is a fad. We are living in a exciting time of Linux history. There are things on the horizion to get very excited about right now. X-windows 4.0, Better support for highend hardware, Common desktop enviroments, and increasing stablity. I don't want to forget the attention of companys like Oracle, IBM, Compaq, and DELL.
The developers that contribute to all the Linux projects should be given a round of applause. You have done great work and I thank you.
The reason I don't think Linux will be dead anytime soon is: There will allways be people that want to be able to control every part of there computer ( or soon device ). For these people a MS GUI does give the power to control. Also the idea of clear text. Meaning that you can read and edit any config file. Or set up powerful scripts to configure and maintain the system. Things people in redmond don't understand why you would want to. But its the fact that they don't understand the user can do anything concept that will defeat them.
As for the communist remark. It would seem to me that a communist operating system might do things like track your documents with id numbers that they would not want you to know about. Or enable features that put you at risk then be told that they are on by default for your own good. A communist Operating system might even tell you the lie that you need the newest version inorder to be productive. Or Keep secrets from their public to maintain the illusion that the OS is safe from your competitors or criminals.
My opion is that this guy is wronge. Linux will not die. As long as anyone can download it for free it will never die.
Personnaly..... Between you and me.... I think he's pissed they did not put him in the movie "Pirates of white bread vally."
I write alot of Client/Server Services. Mostly hitting Databases. I do agree that I love my work. Still I'm also a speed FREAK! Every Blue moon a Security guard will catch me running from PC to PC in the office. Runing what I like to call Load tests. With over 700 clients company wide I want my services to run as fast as possible. ( So they do not get replaced by MTS ). Even though the company does not care how fast it runs as long as no one notices a wait. I still like to do my own meger Benchmarks for myself. I think its very cool to come up with a tweak that will let me get 25-50 more tranactions in a minute.
I'm not sure why so many people seem to put down benchmarks. Benchmarks decide what CPU I buy for Quake, What video card I buy for quake, And what Database I use for a VERY Large size company.