Go back and check those 31 pages again... Go ahead, click on the links to the issues themselves... Now click solution... Good. Now, as a homework assignment, count how many of those 31 pages are actually "outstanding". For extra credit, apologize to the slashdot community for talking shit without having a clue.
BTW, the closest I found to an "outstanding" issue were 2 bugs (I only checked the first page). One had a PROPOSED patch (I'd count that as outstanding) and the other recommended uninstalling the Microsoft provided patch. Hrm. Maybe those 31 pages don't seem so daunting after all.
So you're saying that This post is based off of no personal knowledge (since you obviously are above looking into the matter) and is just something you pulled out of your ass wholecloth? Brilliant.
See, what you're not getting is that the choice to make a victim suffer (though that may not be the primary motivation) is the whole reason the act is criminal. By your standard, society as a unit should act criminally in order to prevent crime. Great folly lies along such paths, with the folly being completely obvious to anyone who remembers that authority figures are people with unpure motivations, just like the 'criminals' you're so worried about. And tell me, would you be willing to see your son locked up for life because of society's erring on the side of incrimination? Would you still feel safer?
I agree, but I'm willing to meet your PP half way; if say the telecoms had immediately cooperated with the governmental agencies involved, but after a quick (day or three) legal research period had discovered that they had acted unlawfully and then immediately STOPPED cooperating, I'd be much more forgiving of those couple of days. I'd likely even offer a commendation for the bravery of the final denial.
I understand that this is a bit of a slippery slope too, but it is far preferable to the complete immunity being discussed.
How, exactly, were the listeners supposed to know that THOSE Blackberries were the Blackberries that they should listen to? That's the part everyone here is asking you without directly asking you. You seem to be implying that the correct answer is to listen to ALL Blackberries, and only really pay attention to the 'terrorist' ones... Am I mistaken, or is this the actual solution you're advocating?
I disagree that following procedures is more important than saving lives in a terrorist attack -- even if the law were clear and undisputed regarding the procedures.
Those procedures are the safeguards of freedom, lives lost by following them is the COST of freedom. You've undoubtedly heard "freedom is not free", well, this is the price we pay. Yes, it's in blood, but every one who's ever thought about the subject with more than a gut reaction is already well aware of that.
"Freedom is not free" is not just an expression to be used as a balm on your conscience when you hear about a soldier dying, it reveals a fundamental truth about self-governing, that some people will govern themselves badly, and effect you in the process. Well, tough. Freedom is worth it.
I seriously hate to say it like this, but if you're not up to the challenge of living in a free society (this includes your possible death because someone was free enough to plan an attack that killed you) then you should perhaps think of relocating to somewhere with tighter controls. I (and the Constitution of my nation) do not feel that your life (or my own, or my children's) is worth destroying the concept of a free society. I am even less willing to destroy the concept of a free society because of a perceived need to jump at every shadow when only 1 out of 1,000,000 shadows could possibly cause you harm.
That's funny, I've been confused about how some people who demand the freedom to own a firearm (like me) can passively accept being wiretapped by the government for NO DAMN REASON whilst actually SUPPORTING such foolish measures under the saddeningly thin guise of 'national security' (unlike me). Personally, I think that many of you 'gun enthusiasts' are really just terrified children in grown up bodies, scared that some big tough boogyman is going to get you if you don't have layers upon layers of blanket over your heads...
I have firearms, I also fully believe that the probability of me having to use them against invading Muslims is very near 0. On the other hand, I have another entity that has already made it's decision to wiretap me and hold me in suspicion just because I might be thinking or doing something they don't like. I find that orders of magnitude more threatening.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that as civilians we were subject to any "orders" other than a proper court order, and even then we have the ability to disregard that court order, but at the expense of punishment. Doing whatever someone with a badge says is exactly how you go from democracy to totalitarianism.
Yep. Worms killed my DVD burner, and did so in a way that took me a month to figure out what happened. Biggest overall gaming disappointment ever, that version of Worms was...
That's exactly why I prefer the term "ecological shock" or "ecoshock" to the various climate referencing terminologies. The ecosystem is going through drastic variations in a wide variety of systems, both global and niche, many systems, on many scales (from chemical to climate) are showing variables at levels (both low and high) the Earth-with-Life has never seen before. The variables are changing in an environment that is full of (ta-da!) changing variables. The weather is a part of this, a major part in fact, but it is not in isolation with respect to it's cycle deviation.
Exotic chemicals have been concentrated to levels never before seen on this planet. Ever. Highly interesting new chemicals being made every day, produced millions or even billions of years before nature* would have accidentally pieced them together. Not only that, we've actually been introducing new ELEMENTS to the mix. We like to think that we get all of our resources from the Earth, so what we make is automagically Earth-compatible, but that begs the question, where does one go about finding a plutonium mine?
We build these things at quantities/concentrations that would take nature* multiple-universes worth of time to amass, and blithely release it into the environment as if chemistry were just so-much superstition, and as if the biological system was just some machine that could be replaced if abused.
To top all this off, very many natural cycles seem to have 'teamed-up' against us by hitting peaks/lows in a short window of time. I think that our ecosystem, when viewed from a 'gestalt' type mentality, is going through shock in dealing with these massive changes, hence the term ecoshock. Personally, I think it's going to be a bumpy ride.
*nature - this means nature without humans, or at least our organizational knack. We've displaced a whole lot of entropy since we've been around, and an impressive amount in the past couple hundred years. Without that entropy-rearrangement the Earth would be a drastically different place.
You're being trolled. The brevity and downright declarative tone of his posts (a declarative tone backed by nothing but assumptions of his own correctness) is a dead giveaway. The type of person you're debating with is the type that already knows everything, and is offended by the very insinuation that he could possibly be in error.
Save your efforts for someone who is looking for informative debate, not some guy who uses his ideology as a club to beat people over the head with (rhetorically speaking) and as a wrench with which to twist and bend facts to make them more comfortable to his paradigm.
Soooo instead of having stats like '23 MPG city, 27 MPG highway' we're going to be looking at stats like '85 MPG homegen, 135 MPG powerplant'? Yeah, I don't think that's what we're looking for. How about using a measurement of efficiency that's not based on the chemical energy of a fuel that's becoming archaic (as per the article we're reading).
I don't think we want to be stuck asking how many MPG as vehicle gets a few decades after no one is burning gasoline in their vehicles. It will be as silly as talking about how many 'horses' an engine is worth.
That is beautiful. One of the most eloquent pieces of political discourse I've seen on slashdot in a while. As a bonus, you didn't even use the word "Obama". Wow, thanks.
Unless you can come up with some concrete example of an Easter Egg KILLING somebody (or even bringing a company to financial ruin), I find your attitude both demeaning and reactionary.
You speak as if programming an Easter Egg is some monumental task that will involve thousands of lines of code and introducing critical bugs, but we both know that this is not the case. You rant as if the simple Easter Egg is the piece that will destroy all of humanity and its works, while pretending that the actual meat-and-potatoes code is flawless to the point of being 'untaintable' or whatever. No, the bugs you fear are in the PRODUCTION code, not the 5 lines that pops up a picture of the sphinx wearing sunglasses when you ctrl-alt-shift-click on a certain area of your workspace.
I can understand you thinking that Easter Eggs are unprofessional, but to keep insinuating that any extraneous code leads to flaming death is both disingenuous and insulting.
My command line does exactly what you ask for in the last paragraph by using different colors to represent different file types. I'm sorry, but I cannot be convinced that a gui has less capability than a terminal to represent information using non-textual visual cues, or even a handy-dandy sidebar with file information, including file type.
That reminds me of the George Carlin bit that goes: "'Why are we here?' 'Plastic, asshole!'"
Maybe the shortest route to mechanical "life" as you describe above is for a biological creature to attain the point humans have reached; enough physical strength/dexterity to produce detailed macro-scale changes to our physical environment, we have a knack for organization (hence our understanding of math), and we have egos that can be satisfied in many people by building something bigger (in the metaphorical sense) than themselves. Seems to me that such a creature would make highly complex machines, possibly capable of decision making, given enough time.
Yeah, that's probably the short route considering the constraints you mention at the end of your post.
Yeah, but only if the undercoating would latch onto the road and drag it's demonic fingers along the asphalt slowing your car to a crawl, along with requiring you to change the oil every time you wanted to operate the vehicle.
But that's not the choice you're being given. I'd say a better analogy is choosing between a doctor who gives you an EEG with regular white pads and a doctor who gives you an EEG with pads that are colored like nipples (or polka-dots at a family doctor). You're getting the same quality of work (or at least the quality is unaffected by this particular variable) with only slight change in aesthetic.
I'm not disagreeing with your main point about software integrity, but your analogy struck me as disingenuous.
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Go back and check those 31 pages again... Go ahead, click on the links to the issues themselves... Now click solution... Good. Now, as a homework assignment, count how many of those 31 pages are actually "outstanding". For extra credit, apologize to the slashdot community for talking shit without having a clue.
BTW, the closest I found to an "outstanding" issue were 2 bugs (I only checked the first page). One had a PROPOSED patch (I'd count that as outstanding) and the other recommended uninstalling the Microsoft provided patch. Hrm. Maybe those 31 pages don't seem so daunting after all.
So you're saying that This post is based off of no personal knowledge (since you obviously are above looking into the matter) and is just something you pulled out of your ass wholecloth? Brilliant.
I know, right! The ISP hijacked the connection I was paying for, and got all upset when a way was found to get what was mine back.
That IS what you meant, right?
See, what you're not getting is that the choice to make a victim suffer (though that may not be the primary motivation) is the whole reason the act is criminal. By your standard, society as a unit should act criminally in order to prevent crime. Great folly lies along such paths, with the folly being completely obvious to anyone who remembers that authority figures are people with unpure motivations, just like the 'criminals' you're so worried about. And tell me, would you be willing to see your son locked up for life because of society's erring on the side of incrimination? Would you still feel safer?
I agree, but I'm willing to meet your PP half way; if say the telecoms had immediately cooperated with the governmental agencies involved, but after a quick (day or three) legal research period had discovered that they had acted unlawfully and then immediately STOPPED cooperating, I'd be much more forgiving of those couple of days. I'd likely even offer a commendation for the bravery of the final denial.
I understand that this is a bit of a slippery slope too, but it is far preferable to the complete immunity being discussed.
...and then Palin would pull a Burns and "release the hounds".
(P.S. the OP said McClane, not McCain. If you don't know who John McClane is, google it. The joke is pretty funny.)
lol @ Iraqi terrorist.
That's the good stuff right there.
How, exactly, were the listeners supposed to know that THOSE Blackberries were the Blackberries that they should listen to? That's the part everyone here is asking you without directly asking you. You seem to be implying that the correct answer is to listen to ALL Blackberries, and only really pay attention to the 'terrorist' ones... Am I mistaken, or is this the actual solution you're advocating?
I disagree that following procedures is more important than saving lives in a terrorist attack -- even if the law were clear and undisputed regarding the procedures.
Those procedures are the safeguards of freedom, lives lost by following them is the COST of freedom. You've undoubtedly heard "freedom is not free", well, this is the price we pay. Yes, it's in blood, but every one who's ever thought about the subject with more than a gut reaction is already well aware of that.
"Freedom is not free" is not just an expression to be used as a balm on your conscience when you hear about a soldier dying, it reveals a fundamental truth about self-governing, that some people will govern themselves badly, and effect you in the process. Well, tough. Freedom is worth it.
I seriously hate to say it like this, but if you're not up to the challenge of living in a free society (this includes your possible death because someone was free enough to plan an attack that killed you) then you should perhaps think of relocating to somewhere with tighter controls. I (and the Constitution of my nation) do not feel that your life (or my own, or my children's) is worth destroying the concept of a free society. I am even less willing to destroy the concept of a free society because of a perceived need to jump at every shadow when only 1 out of 1,000,000 shadows could possibly cause you harm.
That's funny, I've been confused about how some people who demand the freedom to own a firearm (like me) can passively accept being wiretapped by the government for NO DAMN REASON whilst actually SUPPORTING such foolish measures under the saddeningly thin guise of 'national security' (unlike me). Personally, I think that many of you 'gun enthusiasts' are really just terrified children in grown up bodies, scared that some big tough boogyman is going to get you if you don't have layers upon layers of blanket over your heads...
I have firearms, I also fully believe that the probability of me having to use them against invading Muslims is very near 0. On the other hand, I have another entity that has already made it's decision to wiretap me and hold me in suspicion just because I might be thinking or doing something they don't like. I find that orders of magnitude more threatening.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that as civilians we were subject to any "orders" other than a proper court order, and even then we have the ability to disregard that court order, but at the expense of punishment. Doing whatever someone with a badge says is exactly how you go from democracy to totalitarianism.
Yep. Worms killed my DVD burner, and did so in a way that took me a month to figure out what happened. Biggest overall gaming disappointment ever, that version of Worms was...
By interface I think the GP means where all the little buttons are that do things, not what color said buttons are. FFS.
That's exactly why I prefer the term "ecological shock" or "ecoshock" to the various climate referencing terminologies. The ecosystem is going through drastic variations in a wide variety of systems, both global and niche, many systems, on many scales (from chemical to climate) are showing variables at levels (both low and high) the Earth-with-Life has never seen before. The variables are changing in an environment that is full of (ta-da!) changing variables. The weather is a part of this, a major part in fact, but it is not in isolation with respect to it's cycle deviation.
Exotic chemicals have been concentrated to levels never before seen on this planet. Ever. Highly interesting new chemicals being made every day, produced millions or even billions of years before nature* would have accidentally pieced them together. Not only that, we've actually been introducing new ELEMENTS to the mix. We like to think that we get all of our resources from the Earth, so what we make is automagically Earth-compatible, but that begs the question, where does one go about finding a plutonium mine?
We build these things at quantities/concentrations that would take nature* multiple-universes worth of time to amass, and blithely release it into the environment as if chemistry were just so-much superstition, and as if the biological system was just some machine that could be replaced if abused.
To top all this off, very many natural cycles seem to have 'teamed-up' against us by hitting peaks/lows in a short window of time. I think that our ecosystem, when viewed from a 'gestalt' type mentality, is going through shock in dealing with these massive changes, hence the term ecoshock. Personally, I think it's going to be a bumpy ride.
*nature - this means nature without humans, or at least our organizational knack. We've displaced a whole lot of entropy since we've been around, and an impressive amount in the past couple hundred years. Without that entropy-rearrangement the Earth would be a drastically different place.
You're being trolled. The brevity and downright declarative tone of his posts (a declarative tone backed by nothing but assumptions of his own correctness) is a dead giveaway. The type of person you're debating with is the type that already knows everything, and is offended by the very insinuation that he could possibly be in error.
Save your efforts for someone who is looking for informative debate, not some guy who uses his ideology as a club to beat people over the head with (rhetorically speaking) and as a wrench with which to twist and bend facts to make them more comfortable to his paradigm.
Soooo instead of having stats like '23 MPG city, 27 MPG highway' we're going to be looking at stats like '85 MPG homegen, 135 MPG powerplant'? Yeah, I don't think that's what we're looking for. How about using a measurement of efficiency that's not based on the chemical energy of a fuel that's becoming archaic (as per the article we're reading).
I don't think we want to be stuck asking how many MPG as vehicle gets a few decades after no one is burning gasoline in their vehicles. It will be as silly as talking about how many 'horses' an engine is worth.
Hey, some people freak out and become reactionary when facts disrupt their preferred worldview.
That is beautiful. One of the most eloquent pieces of political discourse I've seen on slashdot in a while. As a bonus, you didn't even use the word "Obama". Wow, thanks.
Unless you can come up with some concrete example of an Easter Egg KILLING somebody (or even bringing a company to financial ruin), I find your attitude both demeaning and reactionary.
You speak as if programming an Easter Egg is some monumental task that will involve thousands of lines of code and introducing critical bugs, but we both know that this is not the case. You rant as if the simple Easter Egg is the piece that will destroy all of humanity and its works, while pretending that the actual meat-and-potatoes code is flawless to the point of being 'untaintable' or whatever. No, the bugs you fear are in the PRODUCTION code, not the 5 lines that pops up a picture of the sphinx wearing sunglasses when you ctrl-alt-shift-click on a certain area of your workspace.
I can understand you thinking that Easter Eggs are unprofessional, but to keep insinuating that any extraneous code leads to flaming death is both disingenuous and insulting.
My command line does exactly what you ask for in the last paragraph by using different colors to represent different file types. I'm sorry, but I cannot be convinced that a gui has less capability than a terminal to represent information using non-textual visual cues, or even a handy-dandy sidebar with file information, including file type.
That reminds me of the George Carlin bit that goes: "'Why are we here?' 'Plastic, asshole!'"
Maybe the shortest route to mechanical "life" as you describe above is for a biological creature to attain the point humans have reached; enough physical strength/dexterity to produce detailed macro-scale changes to our physical environment, we have a knack for organization (hence our understanding of math), and we have egos that can be satisfied in many people by building something bigger (in the metaphorical sense) than themselves. Seems to me that such a creature would make highly complex machines, possibly capable of decision making, given enough time.
Yeah, that's probably the short route considering the constraints you mention at the end of your post.
Yeah, but only if the undercoating would latch onto the road and drag it's demonic fingers along the asphalt slowing your car to a crawl, along with requiring you to change the oil every time you wanted to operate the vehicle.
Mmmm hmmmm, sure do love those factory options.
But that's not the choice you're being given. I'd say a better analogy is choosing between a doctor who gives you an EEG with regular white pads and a doctor who gives you an EEG with pads that are colored like nipples (or polka-dots at a family doctor). You're getting the same quality of work (or at least the quality is unaffected by this particular variable) with only slight change in aesthetic.
I'm not disagreeing with your main point about software integrity, but your analogy struck me as disingenuous.
24 fps is the standard used in movie theaters, I think that's what the GP was talking about.