Dude, are you aright? Not all worked up over a simple conversation?
So, in the ISP business model these two points have NO weight on costing?
1) vast difference in country size 2) legacy reasons
Finland may have more "competition" due to point 2, which is a structural difference. In the US/CA competition is often lacking.
For point 1, i notice you have done what you termed "changing the goalposts" and said you will lay cable at the same price/customer when i simply asked if laying 2000 miles costs the same as 200.
In some parts of the the US/Canada you find a lot of small "towns" which are at least 100 miles from the nearest city. Does the fact that the town is small and the distances are great not account for the cost to wire up such a small place in the first place?
I've not moved the goalpost by the way, i stated upfront there are at least two reasons for this.
1) vast difference in country size 2) legacy reasons
Is it reasonable to assume the cost of laying cables thousands of miles is the same as hundreds? If so, can i hire you to lay cables 2,000 miles for the same price you would lay one 200 miles?
Lastly, if you can quote where i talked about population density being an issue that would be handy.
A lot of these welfare/secion 8, people are just milking the system.
Almost every week there is stories about "spouse in the house" or other welfare abuses.
Spouse in the house - welfare mother claims no spouse, has kids and needs welfare but yet the husband does live in gvt subsidized housing with her.
" Everyone should be, as much as realistically possible, born with equal opportunity"
People are born with equal opportunity (for the most part) but not everyone wants to take it, many are rather happy living off the taxpayers.
I work 40 - 50 hours a week and have to pay for my dental coverage in Canada, while welfare case get it for free, Is that equal? How did the dentist get paid when he serviced the welfare cases, tax dollars?
They need to cut back on benefits to encourage them to go to work, not give them more.
That is great logic you have there. Finland (303,890.0 square kilometres) should have the exact same internet at the exact same cost as the US (9,147,420.0 square kilometres).
You also miss out on the legacy aspect, when and why the original cables were laid in the US vs Finland.
I'm Canadian as well, and strongly disagree with this.
Not sure where you are, but head by Regent Park in the summer and watch them out on the lawn enjoying a few beers while you are on your way home from work.
The more we (taxpayers) give the more a certain percent of the population takes. We already have "welfare queens" who have multi-generation welfare bums.
If they want/need internet, go to the library. Once they get internet access it wont be long before they need a PC, and other things everyone else has to go to work to pay for.
Want to make a bet over how many of the gvt subsidized houses with free internet will be sitting around watching netflix all day?
You seem to come from a poor background and worked your way out of it, but you are not the norm, many of those living in gvt subsidized housing make a lifetime out of it and never work a day in their life to better themselves.
The "average" temperature in the summer is +12C so what sort of temps do you think you will find inside the car? It happens to be +12 here today (southern ontario) and insdie the car was only around 18C.
The further up north you go the less intense the sun's rays are.
Know what is true, and more importantly what matters? It is against the law.
No where does it say the penalty has to be "fair" (which is relative by the way), just take a look at the multi-million dollar fines for "uploading" music.
There are companies that will argue that bankrupting a single mom is a suitable penalty for uploading a single song, but yet a multimillion dollar fine against them is suddenly "unfair"?
My wife is also Chinese so I am familiar with a lot of this. Among the many differences, Mandarin (Actually Chinese in general) has no concept of Plural so this is anther common mistake they make when speaking English.
English speaker "How many books do you have in your hand?" Chinese response "Oh, i have three book right now".
Just curious, how is your mandarin? I mean here you are making fun of their English accent so i have to assume you speak both English and Mandarin perfectly right?
Same thing i posted above. Apple has their iAd service with "customized" ads with apple taking 30% of the revenue and the developer taking the remaining 70%.
So, make up your mind.. Are apple product secure, or can they be "hacked"? What is a "jailbreak", If i am not mistaken, that is when you gain "root" access to the device right? Remember when you could do it just by going to a website?
I can install cyanogenmod on my android devices if i want, and their roms dont come with google play or any google services... Other then "jailbreaking" your apple device, what are your options?
Apple doesn't sell your identity.. good one.. Perhaps they can explain "iAD"? At first Apples take was 40/60 but then they went with 30/70.
First, let me start off by saying I use to be very "pro-ubuntu". It was a great distro, and one of the few you can just throw the CD in and reboot into a usable system fairly quickly.
Then they seem to flounder around and lack direction so i moved to MINT. Of the 6 desktop PC's in my house, at one point 5 of them ran Ubuntu. Now three are MINT, two remain ubuntu and one is still on windows.
Ubuntu seems to be suffering a bit of the classic "floundering around" you often see in the opensource world. Instead of having a number of people working on a great distro, we have hundreds of "fractured" distro's (many based on Debian, some based on Ubuntu which is based on Debian).
Anyhow, look at some of the past products from the past ideas from Canonical... Ubuntu TV, Looked promising... Ubuntu ONE - I liked how you could "sync" the installed apps on one system and use it as a template to build other "similiar" machines...
Now they want to "fracture" it to create a "phone" version?
Agreed, the funny thing is they are often "proudly american" as well....
Just not "proud" enough to : 1) Hire Americans (outsource everything to China) 2) Pay their fair share for the services they use (Bermuda, cayman islands, Ireland....)
Apple for example sure enjoys the US legal system, but not funding it...
Canada (where i live) has tax treaties in place for a large number of countries, they even publish a list: http://www.fin.gc.ca/treaties-...
Earn money in the US, revenue Canada will be looking for you to pay the "top up" tax (the difference between your US taxes and what you would have paid in Canada).
NOTE: this is for individual ratepayers, might be different for corp taxes.
In many regards, the US rules are actually similar, I entered the US on a work via by showing up at the border with a letter as well. In and out in around an hour and $25 for the "processing fee".
The US has their "h1b" program and the associated "problems", in Canada we have our "Temporary Foreign Worker Program".
OK, i guess then if i paid 5x for a phone, i would expect it to be better supported then the far cheaper phones?
Most of those "androids which are never updated" are also around $99 with NO contract. Hard to compare a $599 phone with a $99 phone and say one is better supported.
OS X Mavericks is compatible with most Macs that are capable of running OS X Mountain Lion; as with Mountain Lion, 2 GB of RAM, 8 GB of available storage, and OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) or later are required.
The full list of compatible models:
mid-2007 or newer iMac aluminum MacBook, 2009 or newer polycarbonate MacBook 2007 or newer MacBook Pro late-2008 or newer MacBook Air 2009 or newer Mac Mini 2008 or newer Mac Pro 2009 Xserve
So, take a mac pro earlier then 2008 and install mavericks on it. Cant? Sure you can, you just have to "hack" the installer.
So like i said, arbitrary limits.... The box can run it, just it wont install without modifying the setup program.
Care to post some facts behind your " is miles and light-years ahead of everyone else. Bar none." statement?
Go take a look at which devices support "mavericks" and come back and post your findings. HINT: Many Mac Pro users were unhappy with the "line" at "2008 and newer"
Looking around my house, I have a SUN X4500 (Released July 2006) which runs Solaris 11.2 (Released April 2014). This alone exceeds Apple's "miles and light years" approach you listed by at least 2 years.
Windows PC's generally don't have arbitrary limits to which OS you can install (unlike Macs).
My Galaxy Tab 3 just received the update to android 4.4, not bad considering the tab 4's have been out for some time now. With android devices there are also custom rom alternatives (Cyanogenmod comes to mine) and they make it fairly easy to install as well.
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Dude, are you aright? Not all worked up over a simple conversation?
So, in the ISP business model these two points have NO weight on costing?
1) vast difference in country size
2) legacy reasons
Finland may have more "competition" due to point 2, which is a structural difference. In the US/CA competition is often lacking.
For point 1, i notice you have done what you termed "changing the goalposts" and said you will lay cable at the same price/customer when i simply asked if laying 2000 miles costs the same as 200.
In some parts of the the US/Canada you find a lot of small "towns" which are at least 100 miles from the nearest city. Does the fact that the town is small and the distances are great not account for the cost to wire up such a small place in the first place?
Thanks for the post, very useful and insightful.
I've not moved the goalpost by the way, i stated upfront there are at least two reasons for this.
1) vast difference in country size
2) legacy reasons
Is it reasonable to assume the cost of laying cables thousands of miles is the same as hundreds? If so, can i hire you to lay cables 2,000 miles for the same price you would lay one 200 miles?
Lastly, if you can quote where i talked about population density being an issue that would be handy.
A lot of these welfare/secion 8, people are just milking the system.
Almost every week there is stories about "spouse in the house" or other welfare abuses.
Spouse in the house - welfare mother claims no spouse, has kids and needs welfare but yet the husband does live in gvt subsidized housing with her.
" Everyone should be, as much as realistically possible, born with equal opportunity"
People are born with equal opportunity (for the most part) but not everyone wants to take it, many are rather happy living off the taxpayers.
I work 40 - 50 hours a week and have to pay for my dental coverage in Canada, while welfare case get it for free, Is that equal? How did the dentist get paid when he serviced the welfare cases, tax dollars?
They need to cut back on benefits to encourage them to go to work, not give them more.
Was Finland's cables laid in the early 1900's by companies granted near monopoly status in exchange for installing "the last mile"?
As i said, there is also a large legacy component to account for the differences.
That is great logic you have there. Finland (303,890.0 square kilometres) should have the exact same internet at the exact same cost as the US (9,147,420.0 square kilometres).
You also miss out on the legacy aspect, when and why the original cables were laid in the US vs Finland.
I'm Canadian as well, and strongly disagree with this.
Not sure where you are, but head by Regent Park in the summer and watch them out on the lawn enjoying a few beers while you are on your way home from work.
The more we (taxpayers) give the more a certain percent of the population takes. We already have "welfare queens" who have multi-generation welfare bums.
If they want/need internet, go to the library. Once they get internet access it wont be long before they need a PC, and other things everyone else has to go to work to pay for.
Want to make a bet over how many of the gvt subsidized houses with free internet will be sitting around watching netflix all day?
You seem to come from a poor background and worked your way out of it, but you are not the norm, many of those living in gvt subsidized housing make a lifetime out of it and never work a day in their life to better themselves.
Only a small fraction of that buy Apple or Microsoft products.
Citation? You have data backing up the statement?
Looking at it another way, lets say just 10% of Chinese buy Apple products, that would work out to 136,704,000 customers
Are you aware that Companies like GM actually sell more cars in China then any other market?
Please post us a picture of your Chinese entry visa so we know you have actual evidence, not just regurgitating what you saw on FOX or CNN.
" problem that made your desktop look like Windows 95"
I don't get the reference, are you saying windows 95 is a bad thing in your pro-windows rant?
Fortunately there are slightly more then 654685787684 different websites telling you how to remove windows infections.
First, what weird thing to say "The air temperature is irrelevant for the heat inside the car."
So why when i get in my car when it is -20C outside why is the car -20C inside despite the sun shining away on it?
Next, you can just pull up a city up north and see the summer temps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...
The "average" temperature in the summer is +12C so what sort of temps do you think you will find inside the car? It happens to be +12 here today (southern ontario) and insdie the car was only around 18C.
The further up north you go the less intense the sun's rays are.
I find it interesting how the article talks about how the Canadian government owns the IP yet you discuss the US and its rules.
This is something you see often on slashdot, not all countries have the same rules as the US does.
"Neither is true in this case."
Know what is true, and more importantly what matters? It is against the law.
No where does it say the penalty has to be "fair" (which is relative by the way), just take a look at the multi-million dollar fines for "uploading" music.
There are companies that will argue that bankrupting a single mom is a suitable penalty for uploading a single song, but yet a multimillion dollar fine against them is suddenly "unfair"?
Everyone who is surprised by this please raise your hand..
Didn't the same thing happen with Anthrax, where they did a DNA analysis and determined that strain was sold to them in the 1980's?
My wife is also Chinese so I am familiar with a lot of this.
Among the many differences, Mandarin (Actually Chinese in general) has no concept of Plural so this is anther common mistake they make when speaking English.
English speaker "How many books do you have in your hand?"
Chinese response "Oh, i have three book right now".
Just curious, how is your mandarin? I mean here you are making fun of their English accent so i have to assume you speak both English and Mandarin perfectly right?
Same thing i posted above. Apple has their iAd service with "customized" ads with apple taking 30% of the revenue and the developer taking the remaining 70%.
So, Google ads = BAD, apple ads = Good because?
"So you've never heard of Jailbreak"
So, make up your mind.. Are apple product secure, or can they be "hacked"?
What is a "jailbreak", If i am not mistaken, that is when you gain "root" access to the device right?
Remember when you could do it just by going to a website?
I can install cyanogenmod on my android devices if i want, and their roms dont come with google play or any google services... Other then "jailbreaking" your apple device, what are your options?
Apple doesn't sell your identity.. good one.. Perhaps they can explain "iAD"?
At first Apples take was 40/60 but then they went with 30/70.
First, let me start off by saying I use to be very "pro-ubuntu". It was a great distro, and one of the few you can just throw the CD in and reboot into a usable system fairly quickly.
Then they seem to flounder around and lack direction so i moved to MINT. Of the 6 desktop PC's in my house, at one point 5 of them ran Ubuntu. Now three are MINT, two remain ubuntu and one is still on windows.
Ubuntu seems to be suffering a bit of the classic "floundering around" you often see in the opensource world. Instead of having a number of people working on a great distro, we have hundreds of "fractured" distro's (many based on Debian, some based on Ubuntu which is based on Debian).
Anyhow, look at some of the past products from the past ideas from Canonical...
Ubuntu TV, Looked promising...
Ubuntu ONE - I liked how you could "sync" the installed apps on one system and use it as a template to build other "similiar" machines...
Now they want to "fracture" it to create a "phone" version?
Agreed, the funny thing is they are often "proudly american" as well....
Just not "proud" enough to :
1) Hire Americans (outsource everything to China)
2) Pay their fair share for the services they use (Bermuda, cayman islands, Ireland....)
Apple for example sure enjoys the US legal system, but not funding it...
You are kidding right?
Canada (where i live) has tax treaties in place for a large number of countries, they even publish a list: http://www.fin.gc.ca/treaties-...
Earn money in the US, revenue Canada will be looking for you to pay the "top up" tax (the difference between your US taxes and what you would have paid in Canada).
NOTE: this is for individual ratepayers, might be different for corp taxes.
In many regards, the US rules are actually similar, I entered the US on a work via by showing up at the border with a letter as well. In and out in around an hour and $25 for the "processing fee".
The US has their "h1b" program and the associated "problems", in Canada we have our "Temporary Foreign Worker Program".
OK, i guess then if i paid 5x for a phone, i would expect it to be better supported then the far cheaper phones?
Most of those "androids which are never updated" are also around $99 with NO contract. Hard to compare a $599 phone with a $99 phone and say one is better supported.
Apple, meet Orange?
OS X Mavericks is compatible with most Macs that are capable of running OS X Mountain Lion; as with Mountain Lion, 2 GB of RAM, 8 GB of available storage, and OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) or later are required.
The full list of compatible models:
mid-2007 or newer iMac
aluminum MacBook, 2009 or newer polycarbonate MacBook
2007 or newer MacBook Pro
late-2008 or newer MacBook Air
2009 or newer Mac Mini
2008 or newer Mac Pro
2009 Xserve
So, take a mac pro earlier then 2008 and install mavericks on it. Cant? Sure you can, you just have to "hack" the installer.
So like i said, arbitrary limits.... The box can run it, just it wont install without modifying the setup program.
Care to post some facts behind your " is miles and light-years ahead of everyone else. Bar none." statement?
Go take a look at which devices support "mavericks" and come back and post your findings.
HINT: Many Mac Pro users were unhappy with the "line" at "2008 and newer"
Looking around my house, I have a SUN X4500 (Released July 2006) which runs Solaris 11.2 (Released April 2014). This alone exceeds Apple's "miles and light years" approach you listed by at least 2 years.
Windows PC's generally don't have arbitrary limits to which OS you can install (unlike Macs).
Next FUD please?
My Galaxy Tab 3 just received the update to android 4.4, not bad considering the tab 4's have been out for some time now.
With android devices there are also custom rom alternatives (Cyanogenmod comes to mine) and they make it fairly easy to install as well.