Apple's hardware prices have been comparable to Windows PCs for years.
ROFLMAO.
Mac Pro: comes standard with 2 x 1GB sticks of memory - 800MHz, DDR2, ECC. Let's try 2 extra 1GB sticks of memory. Apple price? $500. NewEgg price for 2 x 1GB sticks of Kingston 800MHz DDR ECC memory? $67. So only 650% markup there, after all, Apple's gotta make money somehow, right? What with them being competitive on hardware pricing and all, like you say. 16GB, 4x4 GB. Apple price? $4,300! Sorry, I'm still crying with laughter at your claim about comparable pricing. NewEgg? $604. Still, it's better, only 610% markup. Let's not even look at the 32GB option, Apple only wants the price of a new car for that...
Oh, but "everyone" knows, you don't buy memory from Apple, right? How about hard drives?
1TB SATA 7200rpm hard drive. The Apple price? A steal, at only $450. Aww crap, there I was thinking I could get one from NewEgg for under $100! Oh, wait, $99 IS under $100! Score!
Let's try a video card. ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro. Wow, Apple's almost competitive there, $130, versus $55. First we've seen with under 200% markup!
Maybe I'm not being fair, the Mac Pro is a "workstation" class machine, after all. Let's try the MBP.
Let's jump from 4GB to 8GB. Tossing aside 2 2GB modules for 2 4's. Apple: $1,200. Confusing, as they're only $360, even without the subsidized cost from the 2 x 2 you were going to get anyway. Let's be charitable, and call it $250.
Hard drives, 256GB solid state drive, same story, $750, though same drive at NewEgg is $540, and you're not subsidizing with a 320GB drive already, which realistic vendors only want $70 for.
So to cut a long story short, tell me again how Apple isn't overpriced.
And by some minor miracle, your dealer is just gonna re-fit this engine for, what, free?
Or is there going to be some sort of, I don't know, let's call it a "downgrade fee", for the service? Yes, I like that term, sounds familiar, people will understand what it implies. That there's extra effort involved in providing their choice of product, and ancillaries going therewith.
Wait, it's illegal? Pardon me while I pick myself off the floor. Is it also illegal for them NOT TO offer Linux? How about Windows 2003? I know, let's sue them for not selling Windows 98 on new laptops, after all, they can run it, right?
Ye gods, some of the "arguments" on this subject are hilarious.
Right, because the cost to MSFT to train new support personnel on two versions of their operating system (let's assume that the support personnel who answer your calls on desktop OSes are different to those supporting Win2k3, etc) rather than one is "exactly nothing", I see. Tell me, what are you smoking?
No she didn't. She paid a downgrade fee which is far less than the retail cost of XP. It could probably be argued that the downgrade cost factored in increased support cost for her ANTIQUATED operating system that they'd be required to continue supporting. Or that the reduced cost of Vista + the downgrade fee = current cost of XP.
Actually, the idea here is that MS is forcing one product on everyone who buys a computer (bundled price) then charging a second price to get a different version. Theoretically, they have to refund the cost of Vista, but I'm not aware of any reason antitrust laws would require them to sell XP
Why?
I bought a Prius two years ago. There were eight option packages available. We wanted some of some, some of another, let's say for sake of example, option 1, GPS, 2, leather seats, 3 touring wheels. You can have 1, 1+2, or 1+2+3. You want 1+3? Not happening. Explain to me the difference here.
"We recommend Microsoft Windows" and never providing a fair price for any other OS, people believe what they have heard from everywhere else. With the FUD, many people are afraid a LiveCD will ruin their computer and think free software advocates are wreckless subversives, terrorists of the desktop even.
Right. I guess that explains why Dell sells Red Hat Enterprise Linux for substantially (2/3) less than Red Hat does, right?
Oh, wait, it's twitter.
Curious, what does your wife think of your obsession with this place?
Conspiracy theories? You might want to check out the now open BoB forums, where there are posts of BoB members email correspondence with GMs, "Oh, we need standings here with this NPC faction", "Please give us 3 x faction battleship blueprints", "Needs more officer spawn", "Some more freighters, please". And so on and so forth.
You're also forgetting that many in BoB command had, and boasted of using MSN as a communication medium with GMs - with several reported instances of GMs acting upon it (one in particular I'm thinking of was related to an ISD reporter in a battle). Explain to me again why other people need to submit petitions for reimbursement when they disagree with a ship loss, but yet BoB would get out of band relief and responses.
You're also forgetting GM Gandalf. "Request reimbursements, etc from GM Gandalf, he understands our plight and will arrange it"
Amusing though, as you try to spin the extent of the BoB/CCP conspiracy as being "omg, t20, BPs, we didn't know, not our fault, and meant nothing in the grand scheme". Keep at it.
Go find a collection of fluorescent lights - take a photo of your wife standing under them, with a nice blue background. Go see how long it takes for her to threaten you with divorce if you post of picture of her face, sickly yellow and jaundiced, because the light and color through your camera's "AWB" setting for a loop.
Or take a photo of someone wearing a bright jacket in a bright white snow scene.
Hint: digital cameras can't see color. They also presume that the average scene is going to be 18% gray, if converted. While this works well enough a lot of times, and provides a reasonable starting point for color correction inside the camera, it isn't remotely close to covering all likely usage.
Well, to be fair, in the tutorial you learn about Villard Wheels, so who knows;)
Explanation for non-EvE players: one of the tutorial missions is a series of tasks relating to obtaining a blueprint for a perpetual motion engine, procuring parts and assembling (but it has to be handed in to complete the mission, and even if not, doesn't actually do anything, but still).
Exactly. And due to a "logic" flaw in optimizing their code, they removed the check that the reactor was still receiving input material from the silo before generating its output. "Because why run an operation to see make sure there's an input before generating an output"! Oops.
Atop the issues of CCP compliance in the BoB alliance's rise to power, this whole issue would be laughable, if it hadn't caused so many people to waste so much time.
Forums are rife with people who are "We fought these guys for months. We thought we were doing well... killboards looked good, etc, but they just kept throwing ships at us, and we could never figure out how they could do it! Now we know, what a waste".
I am amazed that CCP's ECONOMIST - they employ a Doctor - would say such a thing as "Oh, you have to realize the amount although it looks big, is only about 1% of the EVE economy" - HUH? EVE has probably in the region of 200,000 chars... up to 40,000 on at any given time, and you're saying the fact that 137 accounts (the number banned for direct involvement) having 1% of the economy is not a big amount?!?
Yes. I mean, shit, there I was thinking that $1,200 for 2 x 4GB sticks of 1066 RAM for a MBP was reasonable. I mean, it's not like those same sticks can be bought from other suppliers for $600, right?
Aww, hell.
But what do we know - remember, Apple products are competitively priced! And they don't gouge you on extras and upgrades!
(Cue Fanbois wailing "But/everyone/ knows you never buy memory from Apple, you upgrade it after the fact and throw the memory that you paid Apple an exorbitant rate for in the first place in the trash!/Everyone/ knows that, troll!" in 3... 2... 1...)
Which is interesting, because up above, the founder of OpenDNS claims that they do not log or save requests at all. So which is correct, his claim, or the privacy policy that contradicts it?
And as to the OpenDNS proxy. It's true, we do redirect certain Google requests through a proxy so that we can make our OpenDNS shortcuts and some other features work more reliably.
Some questions, then:
Certain requests, or all? If 'certain', which are, and which aren't?
Shortcuts, sure. You need to be able to redirect 'g blah blah' to 'http://www.google.com/search?q=blah+blah&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8' or whatever. What other features require 'certain' requests to be run through your servers? Why not simple HTTP redirection? You say "you add no latency" - but that's absolutely wrong - are you saying your servers are adding absolutely zero processing, have absolutely zero network overhead, are never starved for resources when proxying the response? Because that would be a laughable claim. Even if you do peer with Google at every data center, the request is now going through another network, another server, through another CPU - don't pretend it "doesn't add latency or anything else", it's disingenuous
I've not explored too much with free proxies (and granted, you could set up a PC in a datacenter, but that seems a rather overbearing and expensive solution to a problem that may not exist), but my experience is that the hope you could watch stutter free video streaming is quite frankly laughable.
You can read about the legality of it there, but most people think it's legal to manually disable protection since you can legally do anything you want to your own copy.
<us-centric>They may think it, but they're wrong. They may believe it should be legal, but the DMCA says, pretty unequivocally that it IS ILLEGAL, even if it's your disc.</us-centric>
Now whether it's moral or ethical is a different thing, but it's not legal to circumvent copy protection measures in the US.
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And Toyota offers GPS on the Prius and Camry, but not on the Yaris. Your point? It's not like a Yaris is fundamentally incapable of supporting a GPS.
ROFLMAO.
Mac Pro: comes standard with 2 x 1GB sticks of memory - 800MHz, DDR2, ECC. Let's try 2 extra 1GB sticks of memory. Apple price? $500. NewEgg price for 2 x 1GB sticks of Kingston 800MHz DDR ECC memory? $67. So only 650% markup there, after all, Apple's gotta make money somehow, right? What with them being competitive on hardware pricing and all, like you say. 16GB, 4x4 GB. Apple price? $4,300! Sorry, I'm still crying with laughter at your claim about comparable pricing. NewEgg? $604. Still, it's better, only 610% markup. Let's not even look at the 32GB option, Apple only wants the price of a new car for that...
Oh, but "everyone" knows, you don't buy memory from Apple, right? How about hard drives?
1TB SATA 7200rpm hard drive. The Apple price? A steal, at only $450. Aww crap, there I was thinking I could get one from NewEgg for under $100! Oh, wait, $99 IS under $100! Score!
Let's try a video card. ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro. Wow, Apple's almost competitive there, $130, versus $55. First we've seen with under 200% markup!
Maybe I'm not being fair, the Mac Pro is a "workstation" class machine, after all. Let's try the MBP.
Let's jump from 4GB to 8GB. Tossing aside 2 2GB modules for 2 4's. Apple: $1,200. Confusing, as they're only $360, even without the subsidized cost from the 2 x 2 you were going to get anyway. Let's be charitable, and call it $250.
Hard drives, 256GB solid state drive, same story, $750, though same drive at NewEgg is $540, and you're not subsidizing with a 320GB drive already, which realistic vendors only want $70 for.
So to cut a long story short, tell me again how Apple isn't overpriced.
Or is there going to be some sort of, I don't know, let's call it a "downgrade fee", for the service? Yes, I like that term, sounds familiar, people will understand what it implies. That there's extra effort involved in providing their choice of product, and ancillaries going therewith.
Novel, I know.
Ye gods, some of the "arguments" on this subject are hilarious.
Right, because the cost to MSFT to train new support personnel on two versions of their operating system (let's assume that the support personnel who answer your calls on desktop OSes are different to those supporting Win2k3, etc) rather than one is "exactly nothing", I see. Tell me, what are you smoking?
I hope this lawsuit falls flat on its face.
Why?
I bought a Prius two years ago. There were eight option packages available. We wanted some of some, some of another, let's say for sake of example, option 1, GPS, 2, leather seats, 3 touring wheels. You can have 1, 1+2, or 1+2+3. You want 1+3? Not happening. Explain to me the difference here.
Right. I guess that explains why Dell sells Red Hat Enterprise Linux for substantially (2/3) less than Red Hat does, right?
Oh, wait, it's twitter.
Curious, what does your wife think of your obsession with this place?
You're also forgetting that many in BoB command had, and boasted of using MSN as a communication medium with GMs - with several reported instances of GMs acting upon it (one in particular I'm thinking of was related to an ISD reporter in a battle). Explain to me again why other people need to submit petitions for reimbursement when they disagree with a ship loss, but yet BoB would get out of band relief and responses.
You're also forgetting GM Gandalf. "Request reimbursements, etc from GM Gandalf, he understands our plight and will arrange it"
Amusing though, as you try to spin the extent of the BoB/CCP conspiracy as being "omg, t20, BPs, we didn't know, not our fault, and meant nothing in the grand scheme". Keep at it.
Or take a photo of someone wearing a bright jacket in a bright white snow scene.
Hint: digital cameras can't see color. They also presume that the average scene is going to be 18% gray, if converted. While this works well enough a lot of times, and provides a reasonable starting point for color correction inside the camera, it isn't remotely close to covering all likely usage.
Explanation for non-EvE players: one of the tutorial missions is a series of tasks relating to obtaining a blueprint for a perpetual motion engine, procuring parts and assembling (but it has to be handed in to complete the mission, and even if not, doesn't actually do anything, but still).
Exactly. And due to a "logic" flaw in optimizing their code, they removed the check that the reactor was still receiving input material from the silo before generating its output. "Because why run an operation to see make sure there's an input before generating an output"! Oops.
Forums are rife with people who are "We fought these guys for months. We thought we were doing well... killboards looked good, etc, but they just kept throwing ships at us, and we could never figure out how they could do it! Now we know, what a waste".
I am amazed that CCP's ECONOMIST - they employ a Doctor - would say such a thing as "Oh, you have to realize the amount although it looks big, is only about 1% of the EVE economy" - HUH? EVE has probably in the region of 200,000 chars... up to 40,000 on at any given time, and you're saying the fact that 137 accounts (the number banned for direct involvement) having 1% of the economy is not a big amount?!?
What's that popping noise? Your hard-wired brain exploding? A paradigm shifting without a clutch? (with apologies to Dilbert)
That's not a nice or polite way to talk about your manager.
For Slashdot staff, I think the generally accepted nominal is "It"...
Aww, hell.
But what do we know - remember, Apple products are competitively priced! And they don't gouge you on extras and upgrades!
(Cue Fanbois wailing "But /everyone/ knows you never buy memory from Apple, you upgrade it after the fact and throw the memory that you paid Apple an exorbitant rate for in the first place in the trash! /Everyone/ knows that, troll!" in 3... 2... 1...)
Which is interesting, because up above, the founder of OpenDNS claims that they do not log or save requests at all. So which is correct, his claim, or the privacy policy that contradicts it?
Some questions, then:
I've not explored too much with free proxies (and granted, you could set up a PC in a datacenter, but that seems a rather overbearing and expensive solution to a problem that may not exist), but my experience is that the hope you could watch stutter free video streaming is quite frankly laughable.
Yeah, nasty evil Motorola, it's called an EMU connector, and its SOLE purpose is to ensure you buy your adapter from Motorola.
Is that like the MacBook Pro Black edition, now only $200 for the privilege of us changing the pigment color in the injection mould!
Apple is just as bad in this regard.
<us-centric>They may think it, but they're wrong. They may believe it should be legal, but the DMCA says, pretty unequivocally that it IS ILLEGAL, even if it's your disc.</us-centric>
Now whether it's moral or ethical is a different thing, but it's not legal to circumvent copy protection measures in the US.