Veer's not a competitor for the iPhone 5, high-end Android etc., it's a competitor for the Xperia X10 Mini I keep seeing all over the place. Since Nokia fucked their transition to touchscreens, there's not been too many low-end, cheap, small smartphones, so it's a market HP could really make a killing in.
Yeah, but it therefore competes with the (now) $49 iPhone 3GS, in addition to a bunch of cheapish Android phones. And at some point, I would imagine there's going to be a massive BB Torch firesale... I mean, come on now...
Umm, dude, there's a lot of Android tablets around *now*.
Can we discount the ones running 1.5, 1.6, or 600 MHz processors? And the ones without the Marketplace installed? And of the 2 million Samsung shipments, can we discount the unsold ones, and the ones that came from the abnormally high return rate? Yes, this also discounts the reading tablets out there, like NookColor (no, most consumers don't run jailbreaks). It discounts most of the cheap, crappy Chinese imports that you know about, but most people don't.
There are those made by SuperPad, Archos, and eLocity, to name a few.
Well, at least SOME folks run into Archos. SuperPad and eLocity? What's that? Seriously, you think the entire non-Archos, non-Samsung market (discounting Android based eReaders without Marketplace) accounts to even half a million units? As far as I can tell, Archos sells, Samsung sells, the quantities aren't huge, and no, there are no other major players except for the Dell Streak, which isn't quite getting good reviews itself.
the ipad2 better by freaking awesome and not simply a step up.because this coming year, Android will have already caught Apple in terms of features.
Pssssst: Having 100 more features than a competitor doesn't mean you win. Also, are you really worried that millions of people won't be impressed with iPad 2 and it might not sell well because of the onslaught of Android tablets? First of all, after iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, various iPod Touch releases, and the original iPad, I think the wise bet would be "I predict success". I'm just saying...
Not even necessary! Most people in my town report potholes to the municipality, all they need to do is LISTEN and FIX THEM.
You must live in a small town. I don't know if most people in my town report potholes or not. I would suspect not, but with tens of thousands of people, it wasn't really practical for me to find out. My gut tells me, that the great, vast majority of people do NOT report potholes. I sure don't.
Yeah, but, is the purpose of Christianity to keep a large faith going? After all, I'm talking principle here rather than practicality.
The vatican has covered up countless cases of child sex abuse by its priests. Christianity is about money and power, not principle.
1) Christianity is not the same as being Catholic. I, am Christian. I happen not to be Catholic.
2) No, that's not the purpose of Christianity.
3) Whatever the Vatican has or has not done doesn't change the fact that there are many millions upon millions of Catholics with pure, Jesus loving hearts. Yes, they sin (as we all do), but they certainly have little in common with pedophiles and sex abusers.
Let's see, for that price I can get a 17" laptop with a triple core CPU, 4GB RAM, 640GB hard drive, lightscribe DL DVDRW. Oh, and I can watch a movie without having to hold it, read an ebook without having to hold it, and use full fledged applications on it.
Why folks would buy a tablet they have to hold with way less functionality, for more money, I just don't get.
Yeah... because 10 hours of battery life and weighing one and a half pounds aren't "features". Also: Kindle, iPad, Nook, etc have proven that nobody wants to hold an eBook like a book. That's why they sell so poorly. Much better to have 3 hours of battery life and a warm lap. PS: My $20 iPad case lets me not hold it and watch a movie.
It's a MP3 player -- who cares about graphics and apps?
See, most people by an MP3 player to -- get this -- play music!
The features the parent listed are actually relevant to the primary function:
iTunes-less upload (much easier to get music on to the player)
removable flash (easy to swap out/expand storage)
actual buttons that you can feel and click (No need to look at the screen to pause/play/skip/adjust the volume, etc.)
better sound quality (subjective, but still relevant criteria)
Better, in the sense the parent is talking about (and made quite clear), means better at performing it's primary function.
For that, there are many far less expensive and *better* options than the iPod touch.
Is this really that difficult for you to understand?
Psssst: That's NOT why most people buy "MP3" players. If it was true, there'd be a market for MP3 players, and there would be cheap devices cleaning up the market. People don't buy MP3 players. And those that do, are largely buying things like the iPod Nano. People seem to want portable devices with WiFi, Apps, Games, Music, Videos, etc. That's why iPod Touch sells so well.
I realize there's a small minority of people buying MP3 players with less non-music playing features, but better audio hardware. I wonder what percentage of them are using 128kbps MP3 from the pirate sites with cheap crappy headphones, but happy that they have better discrete audio circuitry then people with slightly inferior iPods with their expensive headphones and 256kbps iTunes purchased music. But I digress...
iPod Touch outsells iPod Classic even though it stores less and costs more. Has to be a reason for that, right? What MP3 player do you use?
I suppose this is the (evil) genius of lock-in: subsidise the hardware with app-store profits. Defer consumers seeing higher prices until they buy apps, or rely on the cut-throat app-store market forcing developers to absorb the discount.
Apple doesn't release iPad gross margins specifically, but they have hinted that while the iPad is profitable, it's got lower margins than other product lines. Considering the margins they report, and the percentage of their overall sales the iPad now represents, I'm pretty sure they aren't selling it at a loss.
Filtering it out is as good as throwing it away, if it's not my bandwidth being used for the filter. If it's for controlling spam, it works just fine. If you need vanity aliases, GoogleApps is free for up to 50 accounts. Domain name registration required, but that's about as close to free as they come these days.
Bullshit. If there's 1000 customers in a given area and you only have 1gig of bandwidth, either give everyone 1mb or less connections or only sell 500 phones with 2mb connections. This idea that any ISP can only pay for 1/100th the bandwidth they actually need, sell all their customers 25mb/sec connections that they know their infrastructure can never support and then when no one can get their advertised speeds blame the problems on the users "over using" the very thing, no, the ONLY THING they actually paid for is absolutely insane.
Oversubscription isn't an evil thing. But yes, sometimes it's overdone. And it's been around MUCH longer than the mobile data services have been around. Back in my ISP days, we had lots of sites. Some leased, a few we built. Do you think in our own POPs we had an average of 1 T1 for every 25 customers so they could all peak at 56k 24x7? Of course not. We oversubscribed, since people... log off! Or read email rather than download 32kbps RealVideo clips. Heck, in the BBS days, did a BBS with 100 active users install 100 modems and 100 phone lines? Of course not, that'd be overkill.
PS: If every cell tower could accommodate 100% of the users in the area downloading at the max throughput of their mobile device, 24x7, I think you'd still be here complaining, except it'd be about how expensive your phone bill was every month. I'm not saying the carriers don't make healthy profits... but it isn't a cheap business to be in anyway.
Imagine if all the car companies started putting 1000hp engines in the cars they sell and advertising their top speed at 200mph all without ever upgrading any of the other components in the car. Then when peoples transmissions failed a week after they bought the car the car company stated that a shameful 5% of their customers were abusing the 1000hp engine and they were going to have to put a strict limit of 25miles of travel per day on the car or the warranty were void. The other 95% of their customers would not be affected by this policy because they'd simply never find out they had been ripped off.
My car goes a lot faster (in theory) then the roads I travel on it. And thanks to traffic, sometimes it goes even SLOWER. Why does Slashdot always work in the car reference, when it rarely works?
Google supports aliases on the fly... see reference. I use it all the time, and once I'm done with one, or start getting spam on one, I create a filter for that alias to go right to my spam folder.
microsoft AND apple are trying to kill the video tag with the patent-encumbered h.264. Google is saving it by offering WebM. ALL BROWSERS except for microsoft's explorer and apple's safari support Google's move. You can say whatever you want about Google regarding any other aspect, but in this case, they are doing the right thing.
Right thing is relative. End users want things like:
1) Battery live in their mobile devices. Hardware decoding helps quite a bit here.
2) Ability to watch FLASH video without running FLASH (see #1 above, re: battery life). That most Flash video is streaming h.264, has a lot to do with why so many sites were able to easily flip on a tag for Webkit based browsers on mobile platforms.
I left out things like codec quality, patent issues, ideology, etc... I just don't care as an end user. No really, we don't care!
As a geek who's a bit more informed on the topic, I also remain unconvinced that MPEG-LA is going to make costs SOO prohibitive down the path for producers (hint: they'd just switch formats then, out of necessity, not out of some religious conviction). I also remain unconvinced that just because you use WebM, you can't ever get sued.
Let's pick the debate back up on Google when and if they re-encode all of their video on Youtube. I don't mean stop using tag to serve h.264 video to iPhone users. I mean encode everything to their own codec, and remove all h.264 whether streamed through or via a Flash player. When they do that, I'll buy that they are doing it for the "right" reasons. (Even though it will tick off even more users).
In the mean time, I'll move back to Safari if I need to.
That's neither a good example of an app removed forcibly from user's devices after installation, nor of an app removed from the app store after being accepted.
I'm not quite sure they are "in bed with" News Corp. Besides, without News Corp, when I go to NYC every other month, how would I read the Post, with it's awesome sports section? And the WSJ isn't a bad periodical. And for sure, FNC reaches an audience that was starved for cable news that fit their ideals. Whether or not you agree with it, if FNC shut down tomorrow, I'd want to open a channel just like it - lots of money there to be made!
To me, I will download it. It's free for two weeks. So I'll check it out. The IDEA, is a good one. It's been shown that newspapers and magazines are hurting, and that Tablet sales haven't made up for that. It was time for something NEW. Apps like FlipBoard show the concept is possible. If you followed the Q&A of the announcement, you'll find some things:
1) The subscription model is imminently opening up to all publishers.
2) They made reference to being able to provide the demographics to advertisers that they required to keep a premium price for ad sales.
There are some decent concepts in there. Professionally voiced over articles so you can hear a radioesque reading of stories. Tons of videos. If there is going to be something to save the newspaper industry, this might well be the MODEL. If you don't lean right, perhaps you'll want to wait for another institution's release.
I'm sure this was a great partnership. Apple needed a high profile demonstration for the model. Murdoch was willing to invest tens of millions to do a startup.
I think you underestimate the size of YouTube. It's way bigger than all other video hosts put together. If a WebM browser gives you the best YouTube experience, that's what people will want. And with Firefox's sizable market share on the desktop, and Chrome's market share on smartphones, I'd say WebM cannot be ignored.
And if YouTube offers video in either HTML5+WebM or Flash+H264, iDevice users definitely have a problem.
Unless Firefox drops Flash and tomorrow all these h.264 decoding Android phones have that feature turned off, yeah, you can ignore WebM. And you seriously think YouTube is going to lock out iOS users, in the name of "openness" while still shipping Flash plugins with their desktop browsers? YouTube can't force the world to give up h.264, any more than Chrome can. PSST: Consumers care little about "open".
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Veer's not a competitor for the iPhone 5, high-end Android etc., it's a competitor for the Xperia X10 Mini I keep seeing all over the place. Since Nokia fucked their transition to touchscreens, there's not been too many low-end, cheap, small smartphones, so it's a market HP could really make a killing in.
Yeah, but it therefore competes with the (now) $49 iPhone 3GS, in addition to a bunch of cheapish Android phones. And at some point, I would imagine there's going to be a massive BB Torch firesale... I mean, come on now...
I don't own a TV
I'm sure if HP WebOS locks up about 90% of all folks like you, they will sell possibly hundreds of phones!
Umm, dude, there's a lot of Android tablets around *now*.
Can we discount the ones running 1.5, 1.6, or 600 MHz processors? And the ones without the Marketplace installed? And of the 2 million Samsung shipments, can we discount the unsold ones, and the ones that came from the abnormally high return rate? Yes, this also discounts the reading tablets out there, like NookColor (no, most consumers don't run jailbreaks). It discounts most of the cheap, crappy Chinese imports that you know about, but most people don't.
There are those made by SuperPad, Archos, and eLocity, to name a few.
Well, at least SOME folks run into Archos. SuperPad and eLocity? What's that? Seriously, you think the entire non-Archos, non-Samsung market (discounting Android based eReaders without Marketplace) accounts to even half a million units? As far as I can tell, Archos sells, Samsung sells, the quantities aren't huge, and no, there are no other major players except for the Dell Streak, which isn't quite getting good reviews itself.
the ipad2 better by freaking awesome and not simply a step up.because this coming year, Android will have already caught Apple in terms of features.
Pssssst: Having 100 more features than a competitor doesn't mean you win. Also, are you really worried that millions of people won't be impressed with iPad 2 and it might not sell well because of the onslaught of Android tablets? First of all, after iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, various iPod Touch releases, and the original iPad, I think the wise bet would be "I predict success". I'm just saying...
Not even necessary! Most people in my town report potholes to the municipality, all they need to do is LISTEN and FIX THEM.
You must live in a small town. I don't know if most people in my town report potholes or not. I would suspect not, but with tens of thousands of people, it wasn't really practical for me to find out. My gut tells me, that the great, vast majority of people do NOT report potholes. I sure don't.
They are selling the app for $1.99 rather than giving it away. What do you think?
They are, yes. Of course, "they" isn't the Church, or even a local church.
Yeah, but, is the purpose of Christianity to keep a large faith going? After all, I'm talking principle here rather than practicality.
The vatican has covered up countless cases of child sex abuse by its priests. Christianity is about money and power, not principle.
1) Christianity is not the same as being Catholic. I, am Christian. I happen not to be Catholic.
2) No, that's not the purpose of Christianity.
3) Whatever the Vatican has or has not done doesn't change the fact that there are many millions upon millions of Catholics with pure, Jesus loving hearts. Yes, they sin (as we all do), but they certainly have little in common with pedophiles and sex abusers.
Let's see, for that price I can get a 17" laptop with a triple core CPU, 4GB RAM, 640GB hard drive, lightscribe DL DVDRW. Oh, and I can watch a movie without having to hold it, read an ebook without having to hold it, and use full fledged applications on it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834157424&cm_re=17%22_laptop-_-34-157-424-_-Product
Why folks would buy a tablet they have to hold with way less functionality, for more money, I just don't get.
Yeah... because 10 hours of battery life and weighing one and a half pounds aren't "features". Also: Kindle, iPad, Nook, etc have proven that nobody wants to hold an eBook like a book. That's why they sell so poorly. Much better to have 3 hours of battery life and a warm lap. PS: My $20 iPad case lets me not hold it and watch a movie.
It's a MP3 player -- who cares about graphics and apps? See, most people by an MP3 player to -- get this -- play music! The features the parent listed are actually relevant to the primary function:
Better, in the sense the parent is talking about (and made quite clear), means better at performing it's primary function. For that, there are many far less expensive and *better* options than the iPod touch. Is this really that difficult for you to understand?
Psssst: That's NOT why most people buy "MP3" players. If it was true, there'd be a market for MP3 players, and there would be cheap devices cleaning up the market. People don't buy MP3 players. And those that do, are largely buying things like the iPod Nano. People seem to want portable devices with WiFi, Apps, Games, Music, Videos, etc. That's why iPod Touch sells so well.
I realize there's a small minority of people buying MP3 players with less non-music playing features, but better audio hardware. I wonder what percentage of them are using 128kbps MP3 from the pirate sites with cheap crappy headphones, but happy that they have better discrete audio circuitry then people with slightly inferior iPods with their expensive headphones and 256kbps iTunes purchased music. But I digress...
iPod Touch outsells iPod Classic even though it stores less and costs more. Has to be a reason for that, right? What MP3 player do you use?
I suppose this is the (evil) genius of lock-in: subsidise the hardware with app-store profits. Defer consumers seeing higher prices until they buy apps, or rely on the cut-throat app-store market forcing developers to absorb the discount.
Apple doesn't release iPad gross margins specifically, but they have hinted that while the iPad is profitable, it's got lower margins than other product lines. Considering the margins they report, and the percentage of their overall sales the iPad now represents, I'm pretty sure they aren't selling it at a loss.
By copyright law, Tetris is barely a baby. It's from 1985. That's "only" 35 years.
35 years? It's 2020? Crap, I overslept....
Filtering it out is as good as throwing it away, if it's not my bandwidth being used for the filter. If it's for controlling spam, it works just fine. If you need vanity aliases, GoogleApps is free for up to 50 accounts. Domain name registration required, but that's about as close to free as they come these days.
Bullshit. If there's 1000 customers in a given area and you only have 1gig of bandwidth, either give everyone 1mb or less connections or only sell 500 phones with 2mb connections. This idea that any ISP can only pay for 1/100th the bandwidth they actually need, sell all their customers 25mb/sec connections that they know their infrastructure can never support and then when no one can get their advertised speeds blame the problems on the users "over using" the very thing, no, the ONLY THING they actually paid for is absolutely insane.
Oversubscription isn't an evil thing. But yes, sometimes it's overdone. And it's been around MUCH longer than the mobile data services have been around. Back in my ISP days, we had lots of sites. Some leased, a few we built. Do you think in our own POPs we had an average of 1 T1 for every 25 customers so they could all peak at 56k 24x7? Of course not. We oversubscribed, since people... log off! Or read email rather than download 32kbps RealVideo clips. Heck, in the BBS days, did a BBS with 100 active users install 100 modems and 100 phone lines? Of course not, that'd be overkill.
PS: If every cell tower could accommodate 100% of the users in the area downloading at the max throughput of their mobile device, 24x7, I think you'd still be here complaining, except it'd be about how expensive your phone bill was every month. I'm not saying the carriers don't make healthy profits... but it isn't a cheap business to be in anyway.
Imagine if all the car companies started putting 1000hp engines in the cars they sell and advertising their top speed at 200mph all without ever upgrading any of the other components in the car. Then when peoples transmissions failed a week after they bought the car the car company stated that a shameful 5% of their customers were abusing the 1000hp engine and they were going to have to put a strict limit of 25miles of travel per day on the car or the warranty were void. The other 95% of their customers would not be affected by this policy because they'd simply never find out they had been ripped off.
My car goes a lot faster (in theory) then the roads I travel on it. And thanks to traffic, sometimes it goes even SLOWER. Why does Slashdot always work in the car reference, when it rarely works?
Google supports aliases on the fly... see reference. I use it all the time, and once I'm done with one, or start getting spam on one, I create a filter for that alias to go right to my spam folder.
Too many times will I see a Facebook post on a relative dying, with 3 or 4 people "liking" the post.
microsoft AND apple are trying to kill the video tag with the patent-encumbered h.264. Google is saving it by offering WebM. ALL BROWSERS except for microsoft's explorer and apple's safari support Google's move. You can say whatever you want about Google regarding any other aspect, but in this case, they are doing the right thing.
Right thing is relative. End users want things like:
1) Battery live in their mobile devices. Hardware decoding helps quite a bit here.
2) Ability to watch FLASH video without running FLASH (see #1 above, re: battery life). That most Flash video is streaming h.264, has a lot to do with why so many sites were able to easily flip on a tag for Webkit based browsers on mobile platforms.
I left out things like codec quality, patent issues, ideology, etc... I just don't care as an end user. No really, we don't care!
As a geek who's a bit more informed on the topic, I also remain unconvinced that MPEG-LA is going to make costs SOO prohibitive down the path for producers (hint: they'd just switch formats then, out of necessity, not out of some religious conviction). I also remain unconvinced that just because you use WebM, you can't ever get sued.
Let's pick the debate back up on Google when and if they re-encode all of their video on Youtube. I don't mean stop using tag to serve h.264 video to iPhone users. I mean encode everything to their own codec, and remove all h.264 whether streamed through or via a Flash player. When they do that, I'll buy that they are doing it for the "right" reasons. (Even though it will tick off even more users).
In the mean time, I'll move back to Safari if I need to.
The next boom/bust cycle will happen with virtual currency. Hope that nobody's retirement savings will be invested in the virtual world.
I hope it's a boom, not a bust that comes next. Still hoping to recoup some of the money I invested in Flooz!
That's neither a good example of an app removed forcibly from user's devices after installation, nor of an app removed from the app store after being accepted.
I'm not quite sure they are "in bed with" News Corp. Besides, without News Corp, when I go to NYC every other month, how would I read the Post, with it's awesome sports section? And the WSJ isn't a bad periodical. And for sure, FNC reaches an audience that was starved for cable news that fit their ideals. Whether or not you agree with it, if FNC shut down tomorrow, I'd want to open a channel just like it - lots of money there to be made!
To me, I will download it. It's free for two weeks. So I'll check it out. The IDEA, is a good one. It's been shown that newspapers and magazines are hurting, and that Tablet sales haven't made up for that. It was time for something NEW. Apps like FlipBoard show the concept is possible. If you followed the Q&A of the announcement, you'll find some things:
1) The subscription model is imminently opening up to all publishers.
2) They made reference to being able to provide the demographics to advertisers that they required to keep a premium price for ad sales.
There are some decent concepts in there. Professionally voiced over articles so you can hear a radioesque reading of stories. Tons of videos. If there is going to be something to save the newspaper industry, this might well be the MODEL. If you don't lean right, perhaps you'll want to wait for another institution's release.
I'm sure this was a great partnership. Apple needed a high profile demonstration for the model. Murdoch was willing to invest tens of millions to do a startup.
Nothing beats a post complaining that you can't post! I'm going to go call someone and tell them my phone isn't working.
Man was created in God's image doesn't equate to man being everything God is, and God isn't anything more than we are.
people being launched using this.. Just wait.
MythBusters already covered that.
Someone mod that up... come on, that's funny!
I know it's not always a realistic option because of politics or policy, but if your switches can't do SSH, I suggest you change brands.
Why? Heck, in some small companies even telnet is too sophisticated. Not everyone needs managed switches. My house lives without 'em.
Which ones on that list have shipped hardware?
I think you underestimate the size of YouTube. It's way bigger than all other video hosts put together. If a WebM browser gives you the best YouTube experience, that's what people will want. And with Firefox's sizable market share on the desktop, and Chrome's market share on smartphones, I'd say WebM cannot be ignored.
And if YouTube offers video in either HTML5+WebM or Flash+H264, iDevice users definitely have a problem.
Unless Firefox drops Flash and tomorrow all these h.264 decoding Android phones have that feature turned off, yeah, you can ignore WebM. And you seriously think YouTube is going to lock out iOS users, in the name of "openness" while still shipping Flash plugins with their desktop browsers? YouTube can't force the world to give up h.264, any more than Chrome can. PSST: Consumers care little about "open".