What I meant is that the games on the Wii are simplistic. Graphically and control wise. (up, down, left, right, action) I didnt mean that all the games are crap, because as I mentioned, the marble game I have on the Wii is fantastic. You're right though, more games will be coming for the Wii & I will look forward to checking some of them out. IMO, I don't rank it as a "serious" games console. I realise that are far more fervent Nintendo fanboys & girls out there than for any other console & I don't want to cause offense, so lets just understand that this is only my opinion.
I have always been a PS fanboy since the original PS. Without doubt the PS1 & PS2 owned the console market previously. Now that has changed. Despite me wanting the PS3 to shine above the competition, it's not going to happen. & now, owning all 3 consoles, it has opened my eyes & I can see the benefits of each. A console's success depends largely (90%?) on the games & the developers who pledge allegiance. The PS1/PS2 domination was due to ground breaking titles like Tekken, Wipeout, Gran Turismo, Biohazard, GTA, MGS etc which caused every developer to want to join the party. The PS3 is slow to start with anything special - it should have at least 1 killer game by now, it doesn't & so it's not good news. Evident by the fact I bought an xBox360 - this fanboy jumped ship.
I own a PS3, an xBox360 & a Wii. I also play them on a 720p TV. Here is my perspective...
I bought the PS3 first (11th Nov 2006) & was pretty impressed from day one. Of the few games I owned back then, I felt that gameplay & atmosphere was superior to that on the xBox360 (that I had played at friends houses) When I talk about "gameplay & atmosphere" I mean this - the way that a game can draw you in, inspire you to play, leave you wanting more, a compelling story with rewarding/challenging gameplay. I consider Resistance to have a moderate amount of this, CoD3 lots, Halo very little.
Some months later I bought an xBox360. I was disappointed at range of games available on the PS3 & their slow appearance. I expect this to pick up in the next few months, but at the moment only MGS has me drooling. I was pleasantly surprised with the xBox360. I picked up a few decent games right away & at the moment I play the xBox360 much more that the other two consoles. Deadrising is fiendishly difficult, but very addictive & compelling. It even inspired me to watch "Dawn of the Dead" on a saturday morning before diving into some zombie chopping action. xBox live is a great feature, despite my previous opinion that it wasnt something I would use - the demos etc are a real bonus. My 2 small gripes about the xBox360 are the subscription fee for online play & the noise of the xbox fans. It is very noisy compared to the silent PS3. Otherwise, I put the xBox360 above the PS3. More games & more fun. But I wouldnt rule out the PS3 yet, I think there will still be some nice things to come.
The Wii was a bit of a novelty buy. I didnt expect it to form a big part of my gaming life - & I was right. The innovative control system is indeed inspired & great fun, but the games are just time fillers. Wii sports is, erm, well not much more than a demo. I can see it being nice for children aged 3-8, but beyond that it's not really for serious games. I have this great Marble game though, you are a marble & you roll around on various floating mazes to reach the goal. This game really does get addictive & I often play it for 10 mins or so to warm up before getting into some real hi-def arcade action on the xBox360 or PS3. The Wii is selling well. It's cheap. I put this down to: people don't look beyond the price for their purchase / or / they are crap at games
The only benefits of OS X are software, the hardware is the same as any other Intel PC these days, just has a different shiny wrapper on it.
hmm, I'm not so sure...
I doubt very much it would be as nice to use OS X on a beige box with one of those bakelite keyboards or even on a fairly nice vaio laptop. The feel of those keys on the macbooks, the ambient light sensor, the back lit keyboards, the two-fingers to scroll trackpads, built in camera. All those little hardware touches plus the "shiny wrapper" add to the whole experience. I, for one, would still buy an Apple Laptop.
Not wanting to use the/. cliched car analogy, but this time I think it fits. A Volvo will get you from A to B with relative comfort & efficiency, but in a Jaguar - though the journey time is the same - the whole experience is a pleasure. Those road works on-route don't seem so troublesome as you have your built in iPod to drown out the drill. It's raining outside, but your heated seat gives you a fuzzy warm feeling inside. etc etc
There should be some sort of qualification needed to operate the internet, those without should have to "live in an AOL bubble" until they learn better. Perhaps we should petition browser houses & search engines to remove some of the intuitiveness? - type in the wrong box & you are disconnected. he he - as much as I like this idea, I'm afraid that I have typed "google.com" into Firefox's or Safari's search box on more than one occasion. - but I put this down to knowing what will happen & just typing into the box thats 100 pixels closer to my pointer.
This is the 3rd new weapons tech announcement in so many days. First the US Navies Electromagnetic Rail Gun, then the Heat Ray & now this.
You don't think they are planning something do you?
So, how are complicated things sold in France? Are cars sold without tires? Are lawnmowers sold without blades? Are shoes sold without laces? Are pizzas sold without toppings?
When making analogies it's important to compare like-to-like.
A car tyre is like a network card - not an os.
The OS for a car is the human that drives it - so yes, the car is sold without an OS.
btw, pizzas without toppings are called Pizza Bases & shoes without laces are called slippers.
If every pizza came only with "MS Anchovy & Gorgonzola" & you had no choice in the matter, i'm sure you would have some complaints too.
Microsoft now seems to be very much in the same mold. Apple has an MP3 player? Good, let's have an MP3 player. Google has a book search? Good, let's have a book search.
I was thinking it was more like this....
Google has Google Earth & SketchUp - its an amazing 3D world, Apple has iLife with movies, music & podcasts...
No console with a launch price higher than $300 (at the time of launch) has ever been a success.
How much was the PS1 in the US when it launched? 'Cause in the UK it was £299 - thats $570
Didn't stop it being a sucess in Europe.
I got a PS3 today, ¥49,000 ($415 / £220), from my perspective its a lot cheaper than PS1 or PS2 at launch.
Plus, xbox360 is still around £275 in the UK now ($525)
I dread to think how much PS3 will be in Europe & the UK next year, they usually just swap the $ sign for a £ and ignore any kind of exchange rate.
Thank god its not the ¥ they swap!
I installed IE7 on it's day of release on a Japanese PC in our office. The Laptop was out of the box & only a few days old - not even in use by anyone.
Anyway, the result was that IE7 froze & lockedup the PC into 100% CPU useage.
Over the past few weeks I was surprised not to hear others with this issue, so I began to assume it must be a incompatibility with the Japanese language version of Windows. From the topic of this item, looks like that could be right.
FFS. We have a Brand New Toshiba laptop in our office here - It has NEVER been used. (1 week old) I downloaded IE7 & restarted - Launching IE7 causes the laptop to go into 100% CPU usage.
Trying to find a usb drive now so I can move over a Ffox Installer.
Apple Keyboards have Apple keys. Apple hardward all have Apple Logos on them
Duh, thats because Apple make them - just as a Toshiba Laptop says "Toshiba" on it.
Microsoft do not make the keyboard sold with the PC, nor do they make the Toshiba laptop you buy - yet it still has a MS Windows key & a collection of MS stickers.
Seriously, though. $150 a year for your OS. It seems a bit shady to me. Do you apple fans have plans to skip eve/odd releases or something?
Americans are constant bargain hunters & moan about every dime difference.
Europeans don't care if its $100 or $150 - the difference is small.
This year I spent about $250 already on random bits of shareware, peripherals that I never use & some half read computer books.
This week I spent about $100 on beer, cola, snacks and other stuff that I probably didnt need.
I also pay $120 / year for my webspace/domains/email - it's all singing & dancing, but its only for fun really.
How much do you pay for your internet connection / year?
Give me a break!
$130 or whatever for the latest OS - this is/. don't forget! we are INTO this stuff - is peanuts. Anyone who moans about this,
- jeeeez
We have a saying at my house: Even Hitler was fun at parties.
No Jews, blacks, gays or mac users in your family then....?
WTF, Hitler was fun? I think you just said something silly.
Look - here's my perspective... I worked on Win PC for about 4 years, I got depressed with the constant error messages & out of memory crap - I was working in design & I had the best Win PC in the building... at the time.(its a while back) I bought a Mac at home... FFS the difference was crazy, i was bringing work home on CD to make a 6 HOURS print file into a 10 minutes job - yes... 6 hours to print file on PC, 10 mins on mac. This is Photoshop on a Pent 450Mhz vs iMac 233Mhz.
Oh I can go on... I can't be arsed - look, basically I'm as sick of the Mac vs PC crap as the next guy - i've argued both sides. The result is Macs are better, OS X is great & Windows is the worlds worst OS. Mod me, whatever - i'm sick of it. It's true. what more can i say?
It's a fine line, but Apple is so far over that line it's not even funny. Whether you call them elitists, fan-boys, or "the Mac Faithful", it all boils down to Apple catering to a group of people who's default position is that everything Apple and all apple users are awesome while everything launched out of Microsoft and all microsoft users couldn't possibly be as good.
Yes indeed. What baffles me though is that you can't recognise the truth when you actually type it with your own fingers.
I wonder, when you wake up - will you smell the coffee you drink too?
"If you are paying $40, you are being ripped off something fierce. Hell you could buy them off Amazon.com, pay international shipping and *STILL* get it for less than the prices you are mentioning."
Actually I think not - the UK postal service would charge $26 "admin fee" for an international delivery & then we would have to pay tax & customs on that too. Not to mention the fact it would be a week delivery & the NTSC / Region 1 disc's wouldn't be ideal for the UK PAL / Region 2 system. In the end you just give up on that & pay the $40 in HMV.
However, your quite right about us being ripped off in the UK, that's why we call it "Rip-off Britain" (TM)
Comments like "$9.99 Still Too High"..it makes me think Americans are a bunch of cheap skates. In the UK that's the equivalent price of a pack of cigarettes for gods sake. A DVD movie in the UK is between $20-$40 depending on how new it is & similar pricing for CD's OK, yeah I know - UK people pay insanity tax, but please... $10? It's nothing.
Actually, I'm thinking a frisbee in the UK is more than $10 - Perhaps I should shop in Walmart before going to the park & save some cash?
Unfortunately the thing that gives us all a bad name are the very vocal ignorant users that for example simply flat out refuse to accept any criticism of Apple or it's products whatsoever
Although there is an element of truth to this, as indeed there is for any product with fans - The Playstation, for example. - I don't think we can say that evangelism exists specifically or only for Mac users.
The perceived zeolotry of Mac users has a lot to do with victimisation. OS X only has 5% (or thereabouts) share of the OS market & so therefore a vastly larger group of people have the ability to make flames or FUD against Apple, thus leading to the feeling of victimisation. This is exactly what this story about Dvorak is all about.
If someone says your Computer is rubbish, & you say "no its not" & they scream "ahh, zeolot!" - you're goning to get pretty pissed off & probably retaliate without thinking calmly.
The other reason this myth perpetuates is that in the Windows community exists a group who love to hate all things Apple. I would see this in the IT dept where I used to work on a daily basis - whatever minor problem existed with their network configuration I would overhear "It's probably those bloody Macs upstairs" followed by loud guffaws and snorts.
Also, anyone designing a web site pretty much has to test it with Internet Exploder. Boot Camp is the alternative to wasting desk space for a Dell.
What?! Your crazzzzzy
Boot Camp would be almost useless to a web designer or developer - you have to reboot to test it.
padding: 3px 5px 2px 2px;
Perfect in Safari, right now lets reboot into windows & check IE (time passes..) .. nahh, thats out, a bit less on the sides i think, ok lets reboot back to os x (time passes..) padding: 3px 4px 2px 1px;
hmm, looks ok in Safari still, righty oh, reboot back to win (times passes..)
Well, I guess the time is here for many of you.
We all know that about 80% of Windows users on/. have said "If they did a Mac that runs Windows I'd get one, but not before" at some point in their posts.
So I thought you might all like to club together & arrange a community bus to the local Apple store this weekend. No point clogging up the car park.;)
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Will you be buying a PLAYSTATION 3 for your new apartment? or just sitting there, in the dark, alone
What I meant is that the games on the Wii are simplistic. Graphically and control wise. (up, down, left, right, action) I didnt mean that all the games are crap, because as I mentioned, the marble game I have on the Wii is fantastic.
You're right though, more games will be coming for the Wii & I will look forward to checking some of them out.
IMO, I don't rank it as a "serious" games console.
I realise that are far more fervent Nintendo fanboys & girls out there than for any other console & I don't want to cause offense, so lets just understand that this is only my opinion.
I have always been a PS fanboy since the original PS. Without doubt the PS1 & PS2 owned the console market previously. Now that has changed.
Despite me wanting the PS3 to shine above the competition, it's not going to happen. & now, owning all 3 consoles, it has opened my eyes & I can see the benefits of each.
A console's success depends largely (90%?) on the games & the developers who pledge allegiance. The PS1/PS2 domination was due to ground breaking titles like Tekken, Wipeout, Gran Turismo, Biohazard, GTA, MGS etc which caused every developer to want to join the party. The PS3 is slow to start with anything special - it should have at least 1 killer game by now, it doesn't & so it's not good news.
Evident by the fact I bought an xBox360 - this fanboy jumped ship.
I own a PS3, an xBox360 & a Wii. I also play them on a 720p TV. Here is my perspective...
I bought the PS3 first (11th Nov 2006) & was pretty impressed from day one. Of the few games I owned back then, I felt that gameplay & atmosphere was superior to that on the xBox360 (that I had played at friends houses)
When I talk about "gameplay & atmosphere" I mean this - the way that a game can draw you in, inspire you to play, leave you wanting more, a compelling story with rewarding/challenging gameplay.
I consider Resistance to have a moderate amount of this, CoD3 lots, Halo very little.
Some months later I bought an xBox360. I was disappointed at range of games available on the PS3 & their slow appearance. I expect this to pick up in the next few months, but at the moment only MGS has me drooling.
I was pleasantly surprised with the xBox360. I picked up a few decent games right away & at the moment I play the xBox360 much more that the other two consoles. Deadrising is fiendishly difficult, but very addictive & compelling. It even inspired me to watch "Dawn of the Dead" on a saturday morning before diving into some zombie chopping action.
xBox live is a great feature, despite my previous opinion that it wasnt something I would use - the demos etc are a real bonus.
My 2 small gripes about the xBox360 are the subscription fee for online play & the noise of the xbox fans. It is very noisy compared to the silent PS3.
Otherwise, I put the xBox360 above the PS3. More games & more fun. But I wouldnt rule out the PS3 yet, I think there will still be some nice things to come.
The Wii was a bit of a novelty buy. I didnt expect it to form a big part of my gaming life - & I was right. The innovative control system is indeed inspired & great fun, but the games are just time fillers. Wii sports is, erm, well not much more than a demo. I can see it being nice for children aged 3-8, but beyond that it's not really for serious games.
I have this great Marble game though, you are a marble & you roll around on various floating mazes to reach the goal. This game really does get addictive & I often play it for 10 mins or so to warm up before getting into some real hi-def arcade action on the xBox360 or PS3.
The Wii is selling well. It's cheap. I put this down to: people don't look beyond the price for their purchase / or / they are crap at games
I doubt very much it would be as nice to use OS X on a beige box with one of those bakelite keyboards or even on a fairly nice vaio laptop.
The feel of those keys on the macbooks, the ambient light sensor, the back lit keyboards, the two-fingers to scroll trackpads, built in camera. All those little hardware touches plus the "shiny wrapper" add to the whole experience.
I, for one, would still buy an Apple Laptop.
Not wanting to use the
You're so right! I've seen it many times.
There should be some sort of qualification needed to operate the internet, those without should have to "live in an AOL bubble" until they learn better.
Perhaps we should petition browser houses & search engines to remove some of the intuitiveness? - type in the wrong box & you are disconnected.
he he - as much as I like this idea, I'm afraid that I have typed "google.com" into Firefox's or Safari's search box on more than one occasion. - but I put this down to knowing what will happen & just typing into the box thats 100 pixels closer to my pointer.
Laziness, therefore, is as blind as ignorance.
This is the 3rd new weapons tech announcement in so many days. First the US Navies Electromagnetic Rail Gun, then the Heat Ray & now this. You don't think they are planning something do you?
A car tyre is like a network card - not an os.
The OS for a car is the human that drives it - so yes, the car is sold without an OS.
btw, pizzas without toppings are called Pizza Bases & shoes without laces are called slippers.
If every pizza came only with "MS Anchovy & Gorgonzola" & you had no choice in the matter, i'm sure you would have some complaints too.
It's a simple question to answer.
...I think it smells better in here too ;)
Every encounter I have with anything related to Windows or Microsoft makes my life harder.
Our entire office switch to Macs a few months ago & now I never hear the dull thud of someone beating their head against the desk.
Google has Google Earth & SketchUp - its an amazing 3D world, Apple has iLife with movies, music & podcasts...
A: Americans
Didn't stop it being a sucess in Europe.
I got a PS3 today, ¥49,000 ($415 / £220), from my perspective its a lot cheaper than PS1 or PS2 at launch.
Plus, xbox360 is still around £275 in the UK now ($525)
I dread to think how much PS3 will be in Europe & the UK next year, they usually just swap the $ sign for a £ and ignore any kind of exchange rate.
Thank god its not the ¥ they swap!
I installed IE7 on it's day of release on a Japanese PC in our office. The Laptop was out of the box & only a few days old - not even in use by anyone.
Anyway, the result was that IE7 froze & lockedup the PC into 100% CPU useage.
Over the past few weeks I was surprised not to hear others with this issue, so I began to assume it must be a incompatibility with the Japanese language version of Windows. From the topic of this item, looks like that could be right.
I'm not lying it's the plain truth.
I would make a video & show you what happens if I thought you were worth the effort.
you're not.
FFS.
We have a Brand New Toshiba laptop in our office here - It has NEVER been used. (1 week old)
I downloaded IE7 & restarted - Launching IE7 causes the laptop to go into 100% CPU usage.
Trying to find a usb drive now so I can move over a Ffox Installer.
Duh, thats because Apple make them - just as a Toshiba Laptop says "Toshiba" on it.
Microsoft do not make the keyboard sold with the PC, nor do they make the Toshiba laptop you buy - yet it still has a MS Windows key & a collection of MS stickers.
Europeans don't care if its $100 or $150 - the difference is small.
This year I spent about $250 already on random bits of shareware, peripherals that I never use & some half read computer books.
This week I spent about $100 on beer, cola, snacks and other stuff that I probably didnt need.
I also pay $120 / year for my webspace/domains/email - it's all singing & dancing, but its only for fun really.
How much do you pay for your internet connection / year?
Give me a break!
$130 or whatever for the latest OS - this is
- jeeeez
WTF, Hitler was fun? I think you just said something silly.
Look - here's my perspective... I worked on Win PC for about 4 years, I got depressed with the constant error messages & out of memory crap - I was working in design & I had the best Win PC in the building... at the time.(its a while back) I bought a Mac at home
Oh I can go on... I can't be arsed - look, basically I'm as sick of the Mac vs PC crap as the next guy - i've argued both sides.
The result is Macs are better, OS X is great & Windows is the worlds worst OS. Mod me, whatever - i'm sick of it. It's true. what more can i say?
What baffles me though is that you can't recognise the truth when you actually type it with your own fingers.
I wonder, when you wake up - will you smell the coffee you drink too?
"If you are paying $40, you are being ripped off something fierce. Hell you could buy them off Amazon.com, pay international shipping and *STILL* get it for less than the prices you are mentioning."
Actually I think not - the UK postal service would charge $26 "admin fee" for an international delivery & then we would have to pay tax & customs on that too.
Not to mention the fact it would be a week delivery & the NTSC / Region 1 disc's wouldn't be ideal for the UK PAL / Region 2 system.
In the end you just give up on that & pay the $40 in HMV.
However, your quite right about us being ripped off in the UK, that's why we call it "Rip-off Britain" (TM)
"Lets focus on basic principles first before adding superfluous features"
I agree. Not having Windows on your computer, that's a good start.
Comments like "$9.99 Still Too High" ..it makes me think Americans are a bunch of cheap skates. ... $10? It's nothing.
In the UK that's the equivalent price of a pack of cigarettes for gods sake.
A DVD movie in the UK is between $20-$40 depending on how new it is & similar pricing for CD's
OK, yeah I know - UK people pay insanity tax, but please
Actually, I'm thinking a frisbee in the UK is more than $10 - Perhaps I should shop in Walmart before going to the park & save some cash?
The perceived zeolotry of Mac users has a lot to do with victimisation. OS X only has 5% (or thereabouts) share of the OS market & so therefore a vastly larger group of people have the ability to make flames or FUD against Apple, thus leading to the feeling of victimisation. This is exactly what this story about Dvorak is all about.
If someone says your Computer is rubbish, & you say "no its not" & they scream "ahh, zeolot!" - you're goning to get pretty pissed off & probably retaliate without thinking calmly.
The other reason this myth perpetuates is that in the Windows community exists a group who love to hate all things Apple. I would see this in the IT dept where I used to work on a daily basis - whatever minor problem existed with their network configuration I would overhear "It's probably those bloody Macs upstairs" followed by loud guffaws and snorts.
Slashdot needs to update its story icons. I mean using the IE logo for a browser story - it's hardly appropriate is it.
Boot Camp would be almost useless to a web designer or developer - you have to reboot to test it.
padding: 3px 5px 2px 2px;
Perfect in Safari, right now lets reboot into windows & check IE (time passes..)
padding: 3px 4px 2px 1px;
hmm, looks ok in Safari still, righty oh, reboot back to win (times passes..)
ARGGHHHH!
Well, I guess the time is here for many of you. /. have said "If they did a Mac that runs Windows I'd get one, but not before" at some point in their posts.
;)
We all know that about 80% of Windows users on
So I thought you might all like to club together & arrange a community bus to the local Apple store this weekend. No point clogging up the car park.