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IE7 Released and Available for Download
Luis Escalante writes "After over a year and a half, IE7 has been released to the public as of Monday afternoon. Download it directly here. Word hit the streets after several mangers of the IE division posted on the IE blog."
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I've heard nothing but bad things about it
How come this is on Slashdot before news about Flash Player 9 for Linux?
Go ahead and mod me down for Flamebait, but honestly - the very few people here that care about IE7 had it during beta, so this isn't huge news.
of course, I would have prefered them to have released it before I bowed to management and hacked around all the non-standard shit in IE6 which IE7 fixes. urg!
How we know is more important than what we know.
Can't you see it? The massive stampede to go out and download this truly amazing piece of software. Why, the Internet will surely never be the same again. All hail sleight of hand.
.-.
it sucks.
I'll use Firefox (and OPera, if a plugin for Stumbleupon is released for it) for the rest of my life. Failing that, I'll use the worldf's most secure broswer: Mosaic 1.0!
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First, rather few people here are going to be interested. Second, Microsoft could Slashdot Slashdot with a link from its homepage and would notice it about as much as the Death Star noticed the cries of those freaky little mito-whatevers screaming out before they were silenced.
;)
Speaking of evil empires, I'm installing IE as we speak
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
Word hit the streets after several mangers of the IE division posted on the IE blog.
It's official--IE7 is the web browser used by Jesus!
Eh? Everything else seems to say it came out today, Wednesday.
The greedy Welves wanted to hoard it to themselves.
...it will take for it to be compromised. Is it a matter of minutes or hours?
...a collective sound of relief from Web Developers around the world.
"Yay, finally half of my incoming support calls will vanish without me needing to make a housecall to install Firefox first."
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
Yeah, and only half the CSS support
So can the WMP-inspired interface be made to go away, and the interface made to look like a real Windows app (with the menu bar, and IE6-style controls etc?)
I think I'll stick to Firefox, thanks.
Paleotechnologist and connoisseur of pretty shiny things.
IE6 keeps crashing due to all of the spyware/malware/trojans that installed themselves.
;-)
Agent: Thank you for calling tech support, how can we help you? Customer: I just installed an update to IE and my internet is now broke. Agent: *sigh* You're only the 500th person in the last hour to call, there's not much we can do call M$ since their sad attempt at catching up with the times is too little too late and to boot it wasn't done as best as possible. I suggest you use FireFox instead! Customer: What's FireFox? Agent: You know how girlfriends are better than wives? Customer: Uh... sure. Agent: FireFox is your sexy girlfriend, while IE is your ugly wife. Customer: Thanks for the help!
(Yes, strictly speaking 5 years is "over a year and a half", but the point remains.)
I hear screams.
... when the Linux port will be available? ;)
*ducks*
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Just FYI, I'm running up-to-date Ubuntu Edgy Eft, and when I naively try to install IE7 using wine, I get an error dialog. It's title is, "Extraction Failed", and its text is, "Unable to find a volume for extraction. Please verify that you have proper permissions."
There could be a way to do this, I just figured I'd post an early result.
Once again, competition wins. Microsoft, after leveraging their monopoly power to win the browser wars, had summarily decided that there was no longer anything else in IE that needed work. IE was effectively frozen for years, bugs and all - cracked open, by stern policy, only for security fixes.
It took a free software effort with no hope of profit to do so, but MS has at long, long last bestirred themselves to code again. This has once again demonstrated the baseline of what MS' monopoly will do. Since it is not economically feasible to confront MS's monopoly powers, the commercial market for product X (browsers, office apps, OSs, etc) is effectively destroyed (sorry Opera), but at a minimum, MS is forced to compete against what the community can develop for free.
Never forget - human beings are lazy by design, and so are our organizations. No business, no politician, no religious leader, will exhibit much virtue except under threat. This is why competition and democracy have been largely effective as policy.
Whether MS wins or loses the browser war (or these days, the browser cold war), or the OS war, we have already won, because we have pushed them to innovate, to make their products more stable, more credible, and more powerful.
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Actually, there will be quite a few people downloading it. I upgraded to IE7 beta to test out my pages on that. Now I'll upgrade to the final. Sadly, you still can't ignore IE.
Yes this is flame bait, but so what?
DRM? No thanks, I'll just get it somewhere else...
www.ie7.com
...and 1% of the memory leaks!
Is all I have to say as a developer and business owner. Add this into the mix of shit I have to fix.
Plus, watch out, it is reported that it will be a forced update November 1st. So less time than normal to ensure the final version is kosher with your web apps!
Does IE7 not render Slashdot right.
I sometimes get the comments overlapping eachother.
Only reason I have FF loaded is for Slashdot.
It matters for web developers. A LOT. The faster IE6 can be ignored (it won't for years for mass scale sites, but for smaller stuff, web applications, etc it will be able to soon, relatively speaking), the least likely web developers will be to go totally bonker. I do feel for the ones that DO have to support everything from Netscape 4 and up though, it will be a nightmare to support in paralelle with IE6.
This is completely off-topic, but I am always surprised by the ugly screenshots (using whatever that silver theme is called) that Micro$oft puts on their web site. I mean, if you were trying to get a product out, wouldn't you try to make it look nice? For instance, Apple's screenshots of their products are always enticing and personally speaking, they make me want to try their software out. I am just surprised that M$ doesn't use a better theme such as Energy Blue when creating screenshots.
I completely agree that not having *all* of the CSS support is a bummer. However, it is a minor piece of the puzzle in the grand scheme of things. You can't count on all of your users having an updated browser. You (in general) have to code to the lowest common denominator. Sites are just now starting to drop support NN4, but IE5 is still a big player. So...this is actually a headline for about 3-4 years in the future when people are considering having to accomodate IE7 and its shortcomings, and consequentially considering dropping support. Today, I still sit in backwards compatibility hell...tomorrow doesn't look good either.
When I have a kid, I want to put him in one of those strollers for twins and then run around the mall looking frantic.
the original www text client.
Anyone knows if the evil WGA comes (Genuine Advantage, that too for free, come one how can you not have it etc.) along with the sucker? The only reason I want to upgrade is security patches - god knows till when IE6.0 will be supported.
You'll be glad to know it's possible to block the automatic update to IE7.
Err, I meant to say I'm a "hobbyist", not a "Hobbist". :/
with wine at linux box?
you know!!! web developers need it
"Steve Jobs invented the world" -- Bill W. GATES
"I've got a bad feeling about this..."
We're all hypocrites. We all have hidden parts, it's the contrast between them that make us more a hypocrite than others
7 = 3.5 Pixel Jog??
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I find it very telling that the first /. discussion I open in IE7 was totally garbled and required to reloads to get it looking right.
Tabbed browsing, integrated search, RSS... IE looks increasingly like Firefox.
So I fire up the installer... it starts... I go to close the IE7 last release that I used to get the installer... and it locks up, of course, crashing a couple other programs with it.
Why am I not surprised??
--posting as AC due intense personal embarassment.. I'm a Unix sysadmin, should have known better...
If IE5.5+ supports "filter: alpha(opacity=50);" why couldn't they be bothered to add "opacity: 0.5;" CSS supoprt to IE7. At least they got the Alpha PNGs working good enough now. Also the still renders with tons of extra padding you can't get rid of, even with padding: 0px; so buttons still show up super large in IE compared to all the other browsers.
Morphing Software
Hmmm, I can't seem to find the Mac version. I guess I'll have to keep using 5.2. I don't see it for HP-UX or Solaris, either. I wonder if this is a mistake, or if those rascals at Microsoft are up to something?
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
... many people won't. They'll be given the standard popup: critical security update, highly recommend you install, yadda yadda yadda: Install now, Don't Install, Ask Me Later. A heck of a lot of folks are going to hit the Install Now. I've already got my business website fixed for IE7 -- do you?
Help poke pirates in the eyepatch, arr.
My goodness, how much bandwidth DO they have I mean God, I just downloaded this thing at 546K/sec on a cable modem
It's completely telling that the first comment on that page, is a comment by a guy who's worried IE7 is going to trash his computer.
If that's the first reaction people have, firefox has a pretty good chance.
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
if ms made some market research or something to figure out that the only feature of the other browsers they really had to add were tabs. From what I know unlike those who care about the esoteric topics like "Standard compliance" or "no active x" end users only liked the other browsers for the tabs (It is a shame, but true).
Let's see the possitive side of things, perhaps this means folder explorer will get tabs as well!
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Could it perhaps be because a story hasn't been submitted for it?
Disclaimer: I'm sure there could be a multitude of reasons, but this one seems the simplest and most logical
It's been released for a couple hours and still no exploits. Is this an ambush?
Did anyone notice its Windows Internet Explorer 7 and not Microsoft Internet Explorer 7?
Obscurity. The same people who are too computer noob to download firefox are going to be the exact same ones who wont download ie7 because they dont care or dont know how. The only way that ie7 is going to get any acceptance is to force compliace or force windows users to download (perhaps by reminding you every 30s that you dont have the latest version of the browser) Until they make ie complain that its out of date or release it on automatic updates i bet firefox will stay more popular than ie7.
A better question is how many people will be able to install and use IE7 given that it requires that your system pass Micro$oft's "Genuine Software" process. Firefox 2.0 RC 3, anyone?
Slashdot crashes Safari for me all the time. I've submitted dozens of crash reports to Apple, but they still haven't fixed it.
...by downloading Firefox 2 RC 3. it's shiny.
I thought maybe they had something good here, but I installed it (on my work pc) and I can honestly say going in I had an open mind and after using it I've decided it sucks. It forced me to turn on security I didn't want, it has bugs, its interface is clumsy, it didn't read the auto-config script properly, why is there so much I hate with it so quickly? *sigh*
I'm a 2000 man.
Wows, the Interwebs can have tabs. You can see more than one! Plus, MS invented a thing called Feeds where you can subscribe to see Internet changes!!!!!!! Microsoft is the roxors!!!! What will they think of next?
Signed,
133t w1Nd0ws u53r
This is not an illusion, a rip-off, or a ninja technique!
So...when will IE7 be able to be used under Crossover Office?
Guys, you've gotta try this tabbed browsing! Have you ever seen anything like it before?!?
*wink*
How long before M$ releases Mac OS X and Linux ports of IE7?
1: Opening Multiple Tabs (more than 20) Crashes
2: UI is TERRIBLE - why???
File / Edit / View menu:
Displays below the address / nav bar, a break from convention from every windows app Ive used in the past. A break from convention is good if its progress, this is just change for change sake, it flat out doesn't work!!!!
Command Menu:
Uses Real Estate that could be used for tabs. I want my home button beside my back and forward buttons. I cant convert to a classic view instead of the half baked attempt at a UI, or change
Navigation (back forward reload etc)
Should be grouped together.
I could go on. The fact is, Microsoft have locked me down with this software to a specific experience regarding its UI. I cant change the size of icons, nor the position of toolbars etc. Why not MS??.
Its a joke, and I havent even started playing with CSS in it yet. I was hoping for MS to listen to the cries of the RC users regarding toolbar management, they obviously didn't "hear us"
Who looked at the Clean, sleek, and streamlined interface and thought "What a mess!"?
It's messier than both my Firefox and (customized) Opera browser setups.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
http://www.ie7.com./
Does it run on Linux?
Yes, mod me flamebait, but does it?(I mean there is IES4LINUX.COM)
When are we getting away from OS being able to use whatever website?- It should not be which OS we are running, but which compliant browser we are running.
If the browser is not compliant, then the OS should not even enter the picture. (In a perfect world)
Disclaimer: I run FC5 w/ Firefox
Down With Slashdot BETA!!! I've been around the corner and seen the oliphant; you can only abuse me from your perspecti
C:\funpath>ftp ftp.mozilla.org /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/latest/win32/[IN SERT LOCALIZATION HERE, SLASHBOT]
Connected to manna.mozilla.org.
220 (vsFTPd 2.0.1)
User (manna.mozilla.org:(none)): anonymous
331 Please specify the password.
Password: [anonymous@]
230 Login successful.
ftp> cd
250 Directory successfully changed.
ftp> ls
[IMAGINE LIST OF MOST RECENT VERSION HERE, SLASHBOT]
ftp> get "[FULL NAME OF FILE SLASHBOT IS TRYING TO GET]"
200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for [FULL NAME OF FILE SLASHBOT IS TRYING TO GET] ([SIZE OF SLASHBOT'S FILE] bytes).
226 File send OK.
ftp: [SIZE OF SLASHBOT'S FILE] bytes received in [TIME]Seconds [SPEED]Kbytes/sec.
ftp> bye
221 Goodbye.
C:\funpath>.\firefo~1
Welcome to Mozilla Firefox
why is this even news? ...
ok, i've curbed my disdain for inept browser in the interest of scientific objectivity, but... 10 KB/s ? wtf..
just in case it was my 10 mins ago ipcop transfer over to a new box, (btw 1.6 durons socket a for $20 at n#w#gg...._), or all my open torrents, i tried to grab the newest detonator drivers again.... 200 KB/s.
in the 20 mins it takes IE7 to download my sanity will have returned.....
Installed our fixes last night after spending the past week testing. Microsoft could not even get us an advanced copy. We had to use RC1. So much for their "Platinum OEM Program". Thanks for taking our money, Microsoft.
Coderz 4 Life
Kudos to Slashdot for providing timely reports on new trojans!
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
I sense a great disturbance on the net, as if millions of users cried out in glee but then were suddenly disconnected.
Microsoft decide to never fix about 30 vulnerabilities neither in XP SP2 nor in IE 7 beta phase nor in the IE7 final. Ranging from trivial cross-site-scripting being available by design due to reference caching, over non-local side effects in the ActiveX implementation allowing to compromise the entire COM subsystem just by trying and failing to load an ActiveX control, till multiple unfixed buffer overflows in primitive CSS styles (not requiring any scripting or any security-relevant configuration).
Some of the design aspects are even documented, and so the documentation states that you should never use IE to process untrusted data like from the WWW - so actually misusing it as a webbrowser is purely the user's fault.
Check it out guys im posting on /. on this brand new I.E. 7 it has all these D&3#%^*(-@ --NO CARRIER--
So is it going to get pushed out via Automatic Updates this coming Tuesday?
Just be aware.
Not that anyone on slashdot ever pirates software, but just in case...
-- Is "Sig" copyrighted by www.sig.com?
Anyone having any luck with the perverted act of running IE7 in wine? I'm trying to run the installer from my .wine "c-drive" (wine "C:\IE7-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe") with wine set to act like winxp. I get a dialog box from the installer; "Unable to find a volume for file extraction. Please verify that you have proper permissions". I'm not exactly a wine experts, so I'm probably ignoring some basic troubleshooting measures here...
I installed old ie versions with the nice IEs4Linux script available on www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux, just becouse I could. Remains to be seen if we get an IE7 installing version of that soon.
So, if I install it, can I uninstall it without the use of system restore?
you're in backwards compatibility hell. That is, if you're a web dev. It's just about the only reason you still have a job. I remember one poor web dev who was estatic that IE was so popular now, because he could drop support for Netscape. Worked out real well until his company noticed their web dev's workload just got cut in half and fired half the staff (and took advantage of the vast pool or layed off web devs to cut the wages of the survivors).
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
IE7 Released and Available for Download.
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Be forewarned that installing this version of IE7 is nothing like installation of RC1.
The 14 MB download seemed a bit large, but acceptable for MS. But I wish it warned me about the time for intallation.
First, the installer started up and did its normal thing. It downloaded updates--kind of odd for something released today--and tried to install extra software. Then I figured things were about done. In grand MS tradition, it required a computer restart--annoying, but I'm used to it from MS.
Then came the real trouble.
During the restart the IE installed hijacked the entire computer for 10 or 15 minutes. I wish it warned me before the restart that this it was going to coninue installing before I could use the computer--then I would have waited to restart until I had time. For 10 minutes the installer reached into the depths of my computer and sold its soul to Microsoft, and that was all before it installed the "Core Componants" of IE7!
Then it forced a computer restart, and then the computer was finally usable by me again (after another little pieces of work by the installer).
On top of all this, the installer never gives any indication as to how far along in the process you are--so you have no idea that it will be another 15 minutes or more while the installer copies the entire contents of your hard drive onto MS servers. I guess I've been spoiled by Opera--2 painless minutes and it's over. Basically; if you really want IE7, do it when you have time. Get dinner or something while its installing.
Just a warning.
People still use IE?
http://kitties.b-log.ca
I work for a large Internet company that you've heard of, and (like most people in my profession) I've been spending a lot of time over the last several months coding -- and recoding, and recoding, and recoding -- to make sure my code works with IE7, without breaking all the IE6 and IE5.5 hacks that we've had to use over the years (and that IE7 no longer requires -- although rest assured, it needs its own hacks.)
So, when I saw this Slashdot post about the release, my immediate reaction was "well, I guess I get to find out if I pulled it off."
Then I read these comments, and saw the post about Flash 9 for Linux, and I got really, really excited. I feel much better now.
Oh's no's..
I think the good thing about the whole IE7 scenario is that most news articles (other than the MS funded ones) mention the competition between Firefox and IE. This could potentially lead to new people discovering FF.
Anonymity of the internet is responsible for the views expressed in my post.
Poor Slashdot. You guys go to all of the trouble of switching to clean tags + CSS, and Microsoft goes and updates their browser so that nested levels of comments render completely unintelligibly with text splashed laughably about.
I suspect Microsoft fears you, Slashdot hordes. Although you would have thought that the IE7 developers might have tested how Slashdot renders before releasing an update that is sure to incite fear and loathing in the masses gathered here (just like witches at black masses -- oh lord yeah!).
Sorry, the interface just does not appear ok with me. Seems very clunky and unusable. Not sure why Microsoft would do this - seriously. Just wanted tabbed browsing added and some decent errors for users (does have this). .
My internet crap blocker won't let me access the download site on *.atdmt.com. Hmmmm. It must be trying to tell me something. Back to browsing safely.
.. paranoid crackpot leftover from the days of Amiga.
... how long it will take before pop-up ads start appearing (even with pop-ups blocked) for additional add-on pop-up blocking software ($$) via their new IE add-ons venture. Do any fee-based extensions even exist for Firefox?
Oddly enough, Avant Browser just released a new, and drastically improved, version of their IE shell. I've always been a huge fan of Avant for being what IE never was.
I ran into a nasty bug the other day on a site I'm developing at work. The gist of it is that certain tags ([span] and [a href] tags) shift around strangely when zooming in and out. For an example, go to www.flickr.com, search for something that returns several pages, scroll to the bottom where the pagination links are, and zoom out to 90% (CTRL mousewheel). As of the last IE7 release before this one, IE7 zoom renders flickr's pagination links virtually useless. The work around, which only partially works around the problem, is to define a site wide CSS style of "zoom: 1;" for your tags. This is only a partial fix and causes other irregularities on your site when zooming. Seeing how this occurs on the latest release of IE7, I doubt they've since fixed the problem. Way to go IE team!
The real fix is to revert your entire layout into tables and not use divs and spans. I just put "zoom: 1;" in my style sheet then marked it as "WONT FIX" blaming IE7 and the fact that reverting to tables is a dumb idea (especially when only a fraction of users will depend on the zoom tool).
Faith is a willingness to accept something w/o complete proof and to act on it. Reason allows you to correct that faith.
Or just use WSUS and decline that mofo.
I just installed IE7 and it blows big times ! Just one thing to say, then. Worst. Program. EVER !
Stick to firefox, it ain't worth the download bandwith...
FFS.
We have a Brand New Toshiba laptop in our office here - It has NEVER been used. (1 week old)
I downloaded IE7 & restarted - Launching IE7 causes the laptop to go into 100% CPU usage.
Trying to find a usb drive now so I can move over a Ffox Installer.
* Game Over * High Score: 264,846,927 -- Your Score: 14
anonymous thinks too highly of himself.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Now I can switch away from this buggy, crummy, out of date firefox!
Oh! Ie7! My bad!
So, since I had some slow time, I installed it.
... someone FINALLY stole Zoom. Yes, JUST like Opera, you can now ZOOM the screen (something I cannot live without - one of the MANY reasons I don't like Firefox) in real time which means no more corrupted, unreadable pages when you try to make things bigger.
.. Thanks for nothing MS ... Thanks for STILL disallowing any non-MS program from being the VIEW SOURCE editor. Every occur to you that nobody likes Notepad?
...
... 240MB of RAM used. Opened the exact same sites in Opera ... 130MB. Wow!
... IE is now BEARABLE if you're forced to use it at work. It ain't no Firefox, and it sure the hell ain't Opera.
First off, Microsoft stole fizzy lifting drinks from EVERYONE - and I mean EVERYONE.
I'm not through it all, but here are some high points I've noticed.
1) They stole the nice compact design from Opera. No more gaudy, useless toolbars and worthless buttons. I don't like the implementation, but I treasure vertical real estate.
2) They allow your own default search engine when typing in the URL bar (nothing nearly as cool as Opera where you can make MULTIPLE searches with key words like "g coleco" to seach Google or "e wildfire" to search ebay). If you want to use anything other than Live to search, you'll jump through hoops. They did steal the search drop down tho.
3) Tabbed browsing of course. Theft on a grand scale. I haven't figured out how to move it to the BOTTOM of the window - I HATE tabs on top. Always have. Thank God Opera is ultra-configurable.
4) Zoom. Holy sh*t
Obviously, I haven't had time to play around much, but I'll be back to post my findings.
I'm wagering opening 10 tabs with plugins grinds this baby to a halt
Oh, and BTW
IE7 doesn't disappoint the MS disliker in me
First off, I opened about 25 sites - many with Flash and media on it (youTube, etc). Check the ol' resources
The ZOOM mode corrupts quite frequently, so it's still no match for Opera's zoom. Ended up with some DAMN distorted stuff.
I gotta say I really dislike the "too many tabs" navigation system - of course, I could just be used to Operas. They stole fizzy lifting drinks and used CTRL-TAB to cycle tabs, but unlike Opera, they actually jump between them instead of giving you the nice list. The chose INSTEAD to make a new button on the tab bar to do that and once the tabs reach a certain size, you get SCROLL ARROWS (!!!) to get to the other tabs! Wow! I guess no one at MS QA actually opens more than like 5 tabs at a time.
No MDI interface either. Firefox doesn't have it either so I guess they figured they could do without. Frankly, I'm in an MDI interface MOST of the time as I'm a multitasking kinda dude.
Much like Firefox, the browser is featureless out of the box. They expect you to put in "add ons" to get real functionality - which I'm sure will raise the possibilities of memory leaks (cough Firefox) and security issues with third party stuff. At least now you have the option of MOUSE GESTURES with an add on. I can't WAIT to see the chaos that ensues.
Well, I can at least say this much
Welcome to the 90's, Internet Explorer.
Most of IE 7 seems to be functionality already found in Firefox, but I do like the new Quick Tabs feature (Ctrl-Q). This shows a mini version of all the tabs currently open and allows you to select one, in a similar way to Expose on OS X.
I believe the correct spelling is lynx. :-)
(Although the graphics rendering is a bitch.)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
For the first time in /. history....
A link posted in an article is NOT slashdotted. In fact, it only received 2 hits. With the release of FF 2.0 RC3, no one seemed to care.
...Is of 10,000 slashdot users, plus 10,000 digg users in reserves, all downloading the first security patches at once.
Try it on IE7 http://www.lyx.org/
The IEs4Linux http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/news/ project claim to have a hacked out of XP IE7 rendering engine running under Wine... claiming improvements in the near future.
ie is a piece of sh1t the really makes my life as a web developer suck ass, but i can deal with it and work around it... its the fat lazy ass developers and managers that suck every microsoft cock that make IE7 under Linux a need not a want.
I wonder when/if a linux version will be released, because I believe they ended support for the apple version of IE a while back. Most likely not, because I see a linux version of IE being good for Linux, maybe encouraging them to switch. But of course, MS doesn't have a problem with crossplatform MS Office and in the past IE, on a Mac. What's their attitude towards linux (besides hostile). /typing out loud.
Someone ought to grab AA-lib and fix that.
I got my Linux laptop at System76.
No Drama for me. IE7 works fine on all my systems. Didnt even set itself as default browser, still left trusty Firefox (v2.0) in that position. I even acquired the download with Firefox on a linux system. Im impressed by that alone. All the websites I have developed render and work fine with it also, even those I built 5+ years ago. Im stunned actually. Not to worried about security as yet because I will just use it to test sites I build and not for browsing. Oh well. Could this be a new Microsoft attitude? Na they still suck, just in this case they didnt.
Golf Clap.
Somebody just said she can't get through to http://www.xingfu.se/blogge/ using IE7. So what's this fuss all about? If it's still broken, don't bother.
I was beta testing IE7 and even the last release candidate still had several bugs that were show-stoppers for me.
Tonight I downloaded and installed the final version... and everything seems to be working perfectly. Videos and mp3s play fine, and Outlook Express isn't screwed up, and all the other annoying glitches I experienced all seem to be gone.
I can now officially say that IE7 is vastly superior to IE6, and that anyone who is still using IE6 should upgrade to IE7 as a no-brainer.
IE6 is dead. May it die a sudden and quick death.
- Spryguy
There are three kinds of people in this world: those that can count and those that can't
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DO NOT install this in virtual pc under Windows 2003 Enterprise (or possibly XP). On boot the Virtual Machine User Services crash immediately (not sure what this affects) and Internet Explorer will crash immediately on start. Without IE6, I have no way of getting Windows updates...
Especially don't do it if your Windows license is from MSDNAA (academic) because you only get 1 activation which is not renewable. In other words, I'm screwed. (Mac user, just have Windows for testing my web sites in IE, and no I will NEVER pay to get a copy of M$ Windows)
Oh, and BTW
Granted it's not as obvious as it should be, but it took me a few seconds to pull up how to do this on Google. I guess some people would rather rant and complain instead of searching for solutions to their problems.
Here, this one's for you:
http://www.google.com/search?&q=explorer+view+sou
And LOL'ing at the progress indicator bar. It's just so lame to me. .. I'lll pass judgement on the software after the install's through, but I'm not expecting much.
The eternal struggle of good vs. evil begins within one's self.
First time running it...(i restarted as it suggested). I get a nice welcoming message. http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4661/mypantsol4 .jpg/
Back to firefox!
Last semester i submitted an easy assignment which among other things involved using CSS. I stupidly tested and viewed the whole assignment in firefox, and lo and behold an hour before the assignment was due i checked it in IE (it was a requirement that it worked in major browsers properly + i live 40 minutes away = not enough time) and my tables were screwed. Yep the IE CSS bug. Suffice to say i lost a lot of marks && learnt my lesson.
Anyway, the relevance is i just checked the same assignment in IE7 and it works fine.
I hate you microsoft.
I know in the applications I've developed, we've pointed image locations to HTTP on our HTTPS pages to reduce SSL overhead. If what you're saying is true, I could see a lot of people buying SSL accelerators in the next six months. I wonder if this is priced into the earnings projections for major SSL vendors like F5 Networks? Something tells me that Wall Street wouldn't quite understand IE7's implications yet.
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I double-boot Windows and Linux at work. I use mostly Linux (SuSE) and their automatic update feature is quite painless - you only have to reboot on kernel updates, which aren't that common. However, it always pisses me off when I restart to Windows and I have to restart another 10 times to install all patches that came out in the meantime. This is godawful embarassing, no matter the excuse, especially for a 'modern' operating system.
Spouting acronyms without any explanation. Anybody care to explain to me what "IE" stands for? "Intelligent Evolution" maybe? Can't be, I don't see any religion-vs-science flamewar... P.S.: Yes, you CAN ignore it!
Nuffsaid
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I've seen some old hacks for installing IE7 beta in a directory and running it without doing a full install. I'd like to check out IE7 but want to wait for the first flood of patches before removing IE6 (never thought I'd hear myself saying that).
So is it possible to run IE7 w/o installation?
Installed the latest IE from M$ - the installer forgot to add an icon/shortcut and I had to search for the exe file (intalls on the ie7 directory under Windows.)
Click the exe file, what opens is the old IE. Go to a website and a new window opens with the new IE. Total waste and very annoying.
Time to go back to Opera/Firefox.
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I'll bite...
And yet, Linux continues to be the same impossible-to-use monstrosity it has always been.
My wife and kid do fine with it, thank you very much, and we do a lot more with our computers than most folks I know.
It is truly fascinating how the open source community can stand there like deer in the headlights congratulating themselves on how their most powerful competitor is learning so much from them. Microsoft is now creating open standards, open formats, even open source applications - not one hundred percent of the time, but hey, they're doing it! They're starting to look more and more like us.
You are correct, not 100% of the time. In fact, not even 0.1% of the time. But if they open up at all, that's a good thing. It's not a competition in the traditional sense of snarfing up market. It's a competition to be Free, which is a win-win, always. If they become more Free, good. It's not like Free has to try to be less Free in order to 'compete'.
Hey, wait a minute. Why don't we look more like Microsoft? Where's our readily accessible documentation localised in dozens of languages?
Here.
Where's our toll-free licensing hotline?
Not necessary. We don't compete on their terms! But if you must, this will do...
Where's our reliable and knowledgeable tech support team?
Choose your interface. I like this. BTW, it is very difficult and unwieldy to get MS tech support (human, not website) for the average user. I have never heard anyone say, "Gee, MS tech support is so reliable, knowledgeable, and easy to use!"
Our software assurance subscription that actually sends a disc in the mail when there's an update?
1990 called, they want their software distribution model back!
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
You know what really bugs me? That last one. I used to pay $4.95 a month for a quarterly package of three major Linux distributions. I liked that. So how come now I only get that from Microsoft?
Apples and oranges. MSDN releases are limited. Linux distributions are free to use as you please.
Honestly, people. Why is Microsoft getting so much better, while *we're* really starting to SUCK?
ROTFLMAO!! We continue to get better all the time, certainly at a faster rate than the 'competition'. I would know, I actually -use- Free software, instead of trolling about it.
And on a more pressing note, just look how much closer those headlights are getting! So how many seconds to *SPLAT*?
There is no splat. Free is pretty tough to make go away.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
"The only time Microsoft will produce a product that doesn't suck will be when it produces a vacuum-cleaner."
Blind are we who do not know that we are blind. The world has been boring ever since I got here.
Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 exploit allows hackers to take control of toilets and install rootkits on toaster ovens at LANL, the IRS and the Detroit, IL city hall. Film at 11.
Here's my experience:
:(
1) Install IE7 since it's out of beta - downloads and installs in about 2 minutes.
2) Reboot PC - 1 minute
3) Enable menu bar - 2 minutes trying to get it to move to the top. Nope
4) Try to change search engine to Altavista - 2 minutes - exception thrown just typing a letter in the search menu.
5) Remove IE7 - 2 minutes
6) Reboot - 1 minute
(I guess I might have also added the about 5 minutes svchost ran my cpu to 100% after the first reboot)
How horrible.....
Lets be completely honest; 99% of security problems with Microsoft have little to do with code quality and everything to do with default settings; hell, the IE development team came out and explained some of the stupid ActiveX settings they had - assuming that 'no one would ever do evil'.
:)
Internet Explorer has finally divorced the two, so that there is now seperation, the security defaults are now set to 'anal retension' rather than 'as open as a $2 hooker' - hopefully that'll mean, coupled with NX enabled, and the improved compiling technology, that security should be vastly improved.
Lets also remember the old story of 'man in glass houses shouldn't throw stones' - there have been some beaut's when it has come to security issues with all browsers, so lets before one starts to launch the usual anti-Microsoft jihad, we all sit back like adults and look at the bigger picture
The title of the MS link is "We heard you". What exactly did they hear? The commotions as people rushed to download $ANY_BROWSER_BUT_IE maybe?
Hey, where's the menu?
:-)
The multi-tab view -- great! But what's with the back-forth buttons on the top-left? Someone must have skipped HCI classes, assuming MS uses an HCI designer
Good for FF
There's a new browser version out today. That's all. Now move along, nothing else to see here.
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Hmmm... IE7 looked nice until I (a) found how to import bookmarks, (b) opened a set of bookmarks including the SJ Mercury News - http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/, (c) browsed to Technology in there. Then ... [[POP]]!!!
Tried this 3 times. First 2 gave the usual "Send feedback" dialog. Third didn't even do that...
Back to Firefox. Recommend waiting to IE7.1...
I'm not lying it's the plain truth.
I would make a video & show you what happens if I thought you were worth the effort.
you're not.
* Game Over * High Score: 264,846,927 -- Your Score: 14
*sigh*
...not that I was going to install it anyway. It looks like all the jokes about introducing new vulnerabilities weren't unfounded then...
http://secunia.com/advisories/22477/
throw new NoSignatureException();
Thankfully enough, I already conducted compatibility testing for the sites I manage with IE7 RC2. With the exception of one really messed up website whose design is due for a refresh anyway, everything worked fine with IE7 out of the (metaphorical) box.
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We hear reports of huge numbers of corporate machines using a warezed XP key to allow them to install Windows en masse; huger numbers of people in countries in Asia, etc. that can't afford an official copy of XP and so warez it.
How widely will IE7 be installed? I think a relatively large percentage of the Windows userbase will be unable to install it because of the WGA stuff. You might end up with a long term 50/50 split between IE6 and IE7.
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Do you miss Firefox? Try Pale Moon.
Does that apply to warezed copies of XP? From what I heard, IE7 requires a valid copy of Windows to install. That's quite a large chunk of machines without it.
== Jez ==
Do you miss Firefox? Try Pale Moon.
secunia has already reported the first vulnerability of the IE7.
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The results (Mem Usage/Peak Mem Usage/VM Size):
IE 7: 153/162/130
Fx 2: 96/113/85
It looks like browser users who don't like memory leaks should start complaining about IE 7. Actually, IE 7 didn't even finish the test; the Flash plug-in crashed before it was done. Otherwise, memory use probably would have climbed even higher.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
You have to validate your copy of Windows. What B.S.! I was about to install it on my test computer here at the office, but since it requires validation before you install it I have the smoking gun I need to push Firefox as the next web browser here at work. Thank you Microsoft. In doing something so wrong, you actually did something right. Cheers!
One day the toilets of the world will rise up... And I'm going to nuke them.
Went there with FireFox, got the button. Looks like he hands you a cookie 'cos the next time you visit you just get the normal page.
WARNING: if you are using IE with the yahoo toolbar there is an (even more helpful?) button in the toolbar for upgrading which persists between sessions. Sigh. Disabled all yahoo stuff in IE (manage add ins...).
P.S: apparently a genuine win2000 from a c.a. 2001 original MSDN universal is (cough) a pir (cough) te copy (grrh) so I couldn't even sacrifice the one machine i'm prepared to risk to IE7 newnessss (grins).
Don't even think of putting in a temp IP block to microsoft because the download is (very helpfully again) from Yahoo themselves :-(
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The marketing group's leader is a marketing guy?! WTF?!
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FYI: ...default.htm: ...default.asp: ... So the direct link will be
a ult.mspx
The link in the header
http://www.microsoft.com/ie says that home page has moved:
The Internet Explorer home page has moved to www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.htm. Please update your Favorites.
meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0;url=/windows/ie/default.asp"
meta http-equiv=refresh content="0;URL=/windows/ie/default.mspx"
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/downloads/def
if you have SP2. Pedant, moi?
accept no limits but time
Sigh. Swapped out the 2000 machine and forgot i'd done it - so forget the comments re win2000 (it was an xp machine in old style garb) (grins). On win 2000 you get a page from yahoo explaining which systems can be upgraded (sic) to IE7. Andy
The article at Inq. stats that an old IE bug is not fixed in IE7. The vulnerability can be exploited to disclose potentially sensitive information. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35 210
Look dude, the whole internet just got updated! And the internet now gots google here in the corner, right there! It's just that it now says MSN search, but it's all the same.
I'm afraid that Google's market share will go down.
I played typical user and went to Mazda USA's site and the first thing I tried rendered differently and dysfunctionally with IE7, and worked perfectly on Firefox 1.5x. When you can't even select the car you want to look at from a pull down menu, you know that at least that site has troubles, done no testing, and will have to make changes for IE7 where Firefox needs none.
No idea if this is typical or not and hesitate to extrapolate from a limited sample. But failing 1 for 1 caused me to quickly revert back to Firefox.
Not to mention that configuring IE7 the safe way through their automated suggestion box somehow did what IE7 promised it wouldn't do, made IE7 my default browser without my knowing or being asked. A manual reversion through Firefox cured that ill.
FUBAR
If you're a webdev why bother? The installed base of IE6 is going to be around for ever and that's where the shit spread to cover the area of the stable floor. Anyone who thinks this is going to release webdevs form browser bug misery should think again.
In http://pmt.sourceforge.net/gamma_test/
on a normal PC, the GIF, JPEG, sRGB patches and the unlabeled patches
should match gamma=1/2.2 but they match gamma=1/1.96 instead.
This foils attempts to match images with backgrounds and images in other formats.
The workaround is to remove the gAMA chunk from PNG files while preserving
the sRGB chunk.
I know that this sounds like a troll, and you can mod it that way if you want, but it did really happen.
I already had RC2 installed on it. I downloaded the exe linked from the article and ran it.
It uninstalled the old IE, rebooted, worked on installing for about five minutes, then rebooted.
After that, it would get to the desktop without the menu bar at the bottom and show errors:
lsass.exe
The application failed to initialize properly. (0xc0000005) Click OK to terminate the application.
It had the same error for services.exe, and show them both twice.
After that, it does nothing.
This is just a warning for people. It screwed up mine, I assumed it was screwing up others, too.
In other news Bill Gates took a dump in the port-a-potty. Please feel free to run out and get a lump.
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Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
November 1? There must be a mistake. It's not even a Tuesday! They should at least give us until November 14 (2nd Tuesday).
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Is it just me or is IE7 an exact copy of Firefox? Is this evidence of how open source ideas can be used for evil? Maybe we need a line in all open source licences allowing everyone except Microsoft to use them.
Security holes sure, the patches for them might take a bit longer ...
I started up in Safe Mode and this worked OK there, passed the runonce.
Back to normal mode, IE7 still crashes after showing the about:blank page.
Try to re-install IE7, didn't solve the issue.
Now, used the System Restore (first time ever) to go back before installation and back to working condition with IE6SP1.
I'll need to wait for IE7SP1 to retry I guess...
Cheers,
Vincent
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"Personalized" menus was/is the biggest outrage against usability ever foisted on an unsuspecting public. I know you can "turn it off" but with all the research showing that users memorize the interface by the position of buttons/menus (rather than their appearance or label) it boggles that a company that pretends to care about usability would tout this as a feature. It is, rather, the very definition of an anti-feature.
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The command bar is a major waste of real estate, and less useful than the menu bar. Is there no way to remove it??? It's probably a deal breaker for me.
By default, at 100% page zoom, all gif/png/etc images apparently are actually being zoomed in on by 25% and look horrible by having lots of jagged edges. If you "zoom out" to 75% though it will make all the images look the way they are supposed to look, with smooth edges. If you compare them to the same page in Firefox, the size at 75% zoom in IE is the same as the size in Firefox at 100% zoom, confirming that 100% zoom in IE7 is indeed displaying the images 1/4th larger than they should be.
Promote true freedom - support standards and interoperability.
Application should not have to deal with HTML rendering on their own
I totally agree with this. The OS provides a libraries to make application developers life's easier, so they should be using what is on offer. On MacOS X you have WebKit, based in KHTML for this and with KDE you have KHTML. Since so many people clamour about Firefox, is Gecko available as an easily linkable stand alone library? I know for sure that the guys working on WebKit are trying to make it work on other platforms as a standalone library.
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Netscape 4.0? Christ who uses that, im sorry but when I do have the time to work on sites for people, I make it compatible for Internet Explorer 5.5+, Firefox, Opera, im not gonna support a browser that doesnt support basic stuff such as XHTML (Im looking at you aol browser users)
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It looks like IE 7 doesn't support Windows 2000. That's pretty bizarre especially when you consider that Win2k is still heavily used in companies. (... and me)
To er is human.
Its a matter of what your targeted audience is. If you look at a lot of large scale news site (or, well, large scales -sites- in general), they'll often even support garbages like IE for Macs or something.
:) But I have had to do web apps that only needed to work in IE6 flat...others only Firefox and nothing else...some just IE6 and Firefox, some had to support most everything, and so on...it really depends on your target. And unfortunately, for some, the target is "everything and everyone".
On my side, I'll probably support Safari before Opera, for one
I think you meant to link him to this page: Friendly search for 'explorer+view+source+notepad+change'....
There's no place like 127.0.0.1
If you're running a WSUS server and your computer gets it's updates from it it's easy to ignore it.
Create a new group can call it something like NoIE7, add your computer and any other computers you don't want to have it, then when IE7 comes down the automatic update pipe next month, change it's group approval to "Not Approved". Voila.
I downloaded it and it doesn't f*cking work. I downloaded, restarted the machine and opened the browser. Immediately goes into Not Responding mode, CPU usage goes to 100%, computer fan starts making loud noises, browser frozen.
Suffice to say, I downloaded IE7 yesterday and I have to write this post in Mozilla Firefox. Do I need to say more?
No, giving you MORE space, by eliminating an unnecessary toolbar... (and yes, I know what you meant)
That's where you should click if you want to create a new tab without using the keyboard...
Seems cool to me, and it's also nice that the "Go" and "Refresh" button are one and the same...
The common functions are in the buttons, and the other ones are in the drop down menus... What's the big deal with that?
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