I read the article and wondered if this isn't the court deciding that the people are guilty and will be guilty until they can prove otherwise. Shouldn't the court have to prove that they are guilty rather then require Napster to prove they are innocent?
I don't know why EVERY single time a book is made into a movie there's a grumpy guy going "the movie sucked ass". Is this part of human nature or something? Is there a gene for this? And if there is, can we breed that out because it's frickin' annoying.
It's part of the "Comic Book Guy" syndrome that is excellently portrayed on the Simpson's. The good news is that people suffering from this naturally repel potential mates and reduce their chances to pass on these harmful genes. The bad news is that they will be irritating us until they pass on.
The most ironic part is if they get to pass on their genes, or at least go through the motions, they would not find cause to be this annoying.
To be precise, the book was written while filming, but wasn't published till after the film.
And the movie was not based on "The Sentinel". That short story was the origin of the idea of 2001 for Clarke.
I just finished the 4 books and found the comments by Clarke very interesting.
The main difference between Scientology and other religions, even cults, is that Scientology is much more of a corporation then a religion. They copyright all of their texts so others can't read them. They charge for the Scientology equivalent of salvation. And in other parts of the world (Germany) it is not an accepted religion. It almost lost it's official religious (tax-exempt) status in the US until all of it's members sued the IRS. And then it turns it's lawyers on all critics. It definately seems to have a much darker side then any other modern religion.
MS won't have the overheads of collaboration to worry about
I'm not sure about that. From what I've read, there is a lot of infighting in the M$ ranks. Each group trys to out shine the others, and direct competition between product groups is not unusual.
It is my (and your) intellectual property that underlies their database. I have inputted a couple of discs into CDDB over the years.
As I understand it, what you entered was not your intellectual property, unless you made up names to enter. The song titles, artist names, and album names are the IP of the artist (or whoever they gave the rights to in their contract). What you contributed was work in entering this information. Very different.
And the IP they are referring to is the whole concept of getting song/artist/CD info from a central database. Not that the concept is theirs either, but that is what they are refering to.
The difference that I see is that on the internet authorization is much more implied rather then explicitly stated. Looking around on Slashdot, I don't see anything that says I am allowed to read the site. I have a signin (obviously) but before that, nothing said I was allowed to use the service, and even if it did, I would have to read the page to find it. So internet authorization gets to be a grey area, in my mind.
I didn't break in! I walked through the guys back door which he forgot to close.
I understand the analogy, but is it accurate? If the resource is not password protected, or uses a publically published password, can it claim "I didn't MEAN to make that available" as a legal defense when other internet resources use the same process for publically available info?
I wonder if there is some sort of metamoderation in the voting to make sure that kids or an adult shown in the example above can't screw up the system with bad votes.
I'm really confused. I'm hoping not to get flamed by this, but honestly, why was the portion of the law which said "free software doesn't need a warranty" changed to "Open Source software doesn't need a warranty"?
Not to flame, but if you read the article, you woudl see that they wanted to avoid propietary software that, for one reason or another, no money was paid for. "Free software" could be Linux or IE, since MS lets you download it for no cost. They are both "free", but there is a significant difference between the two.
I've looked into this a little bit for a similar project I'm working on and didn't find anything I liked. The closest I've seen to something that looked really good was the way Yahoo! does their web email system. It looks like it is all in JavaScript and CSS, but it works well in IE. I haven't used Netscape on it, but it should work.
I imagine it would not be legal to copy it verbatim (though I didn't look for any licensing info) but it shows that it can be done without an applet and could probably be reproduced.
BTW, why are we seeing so many posts moderated so high recently? I only want to see a few posts per article, and now you get 15 at +5. Did Taco make everyone a moderator full-time or something?
For a couple of days there was next to no moderating done and then they switched moderating back on. I thought the moderation permissions were just backed up and so there were a flood of them. Maybe the fix turned on too many moderators.
Or maybe/. already implimented the CPIP for moderation, but still need to work the bugs out:)
I' know it is hard to belive, but this is a true story.
A friend of mine was doing computer support for a local hospital, and one day he got a call from a woman about a progrma not working. He goes down to her office and starts working on it. While he is working, she is chatting him up on what she talks to God about. And what he tells her. My friend is amused by this (being athiest), but puts up with it. After a half hour of working he still can't find the source of the problem. Since it is now after 5 they decide to pick up again the next morning. The woman tells him that she will talk to God and see if he can help with the problem.
The next morning my friend is back workign on it and the woman tells him that God told her that the problem was with the CD-ROM drive. After looking around, my friend finds out that someone had pluged the CD-ROM's ribbon cable in backward and that was causing the problem.
He keeps claiming it was a coincidence, but I've been thinking of starting a church for our lord of tech support:)
True, but weren't the performance tests done on some high end machines? The article says they are using a lot of smaller machines. And I seem to remember that the tests were on individual boxes, not a farm like this. I was also wondering about if anyone had done something of that size with M$ products.
Now I'm certainly not the proper person to say this, since my own social life is coming closer to being fantasy then reality, but who needs terabytes of movies/tv/radio for storage? If you need that much space when do you get caught up watching/listening to it? I was afraid that once I got cable I would become even more of a couch potatoe, but the truth is that I'm watching less tv then ever. It all sucks, and there are many more far more interesting things to do (games, programming, actually talking with people). I have three video tapes full of recored shows sitting next to my VCR from January and I have no real desire to sit down for the 15 hours it would take to wath the them.
In my mind, the real value of convergence is not having to have a dozen remotes, or have to worry about arcane wiring between devices, or especially having to talk my dad through turing on the vcr, setting it to this station, then the DVD player, blah, blah, blah. Or not having to worry if I have enough time on the tape left to catch a show. It is making life easier.
True, but it has become shorthand for the copyright charater (which I was too lazy to look up the ascii for, and am still too lazy to).
Though I would argue that it is "meaningless". Just about everything a person writes is copyrighted. The notice is just a formal claim and date of copyright. While IANAL-ADWTB (And don't want to be), I would think that putting in "(c)" would indicate the intention satisfacorily for a court, if it went that far. Especailly since the ascii character may not show up in all fonts/browsers.
I was just listening to a skit called Welcome to the Internet Support Desk by Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie on MP3.com. It has that in there. If you haven't heard it, it is hilarious!
The best thing about it that I have had to say nearly the exact same thing to some of the people I talk to.
"No, that's my fault. First turn the computer on, and then try to login."
If you scratch out the (c) on an MS Office CD, it doesn't mean that it isn't still covered by copyright, just as if you put out your own distribution of Linux but don't include the GPL doesn't mean it is no longer covered by copyleft.
Any IP can be abused. This is to give people a way to put music out in a way that hopefully removes the reasons (financial, IP protection, etc) to abuse it. It is a legal solution as opposed to a technical one. Anyone using a technical solution to abuse free (beer and speech) IP should be forced to work for AOL tech support.
I would think the hope of the license is to allow artists a legally safe method of getting their music out there, pre-recording contract. If a group becomes popular enough to get signed, I would think the license would still apply to music they released that way, but not to their newer stuff.
One would hope that the recording company would figure out that allowing a few songs to get out like that after an artist becomes popular would be a godd thing since it got them that far. Recording execs have never been accused of beign that bright though - at least not on/.:)
I have to agree with the artcle 100%. Most of the stuff that I have done that has gotten the most apperciation have been my own side projects that I was playing around with, as opposed to the designed by (non-technical) committee projects that come my way too.
I play (hey, I'm reading/. right now, as are you so get off the high horse) but my boss knows that good stuff comes out of it.
There is a huge difference between conditioning and playing games. How many people have been forced to play a violent game? Hmm... I don't see any hands. You play the game because it's fun. It's a form of escapism. You get to be the big, heavily armed guy (or gal) on the block. You get to see people and things blow up. I enjoy playing these games, and I'll admit I've thought that having a rocket launcher in the car would make my communiting much better.
The big difference is that I know the difference between real life and a game. Anyone that blurs the line too much would have problems with books, movies, tv shows, or even the bible. I find your arguement as bad now as I did when people were using it to say Dungeons and Dragons would make kids killers too because it made them think of killing and casting spells.
I'm sorry, but I have to take exception to this. If you saw this article and didn't know what Bonobo was what would I do? I'd look at the picture - the gnome foot - ah! it something related to Gnome (and therefore Linux). How hard is it to a) - either look at the links in the story b) look for other stories on/. on the same topic or c) see what google turns up?
True, but how much easier is it for the author, (whom one would hope could explain what it is) to put in a line or two about it versus everyone who doesn't know go and look it up? I don't know about you, but I prefer my news to be something that I learn from, not something that makes me waste time trying to find out if the news item is of any importance to me.
Slashdot Mirror
I read the article and wondered if this isn't the court deciding that the people are guilty and will be guilty until they can prove otherwise. Shouldn't the court have to prove that they are guilty rather then require Napster to prove they are innocent?
I don't know why EVERY single time a book is made into a movie there's a grumpy guy going "the movie sucked ass". Is this part of human nature or something? Is there a gene for this? And if there is, can we breed that out because it's frickin' annoying.
It's part of the "Comic Book Guy" syndrome that is excellently portrayed on the Simpson's. The good news is that people suffering from this naturally repel potential mates and reduce their chances to pass on these harmful genes. The bad news is that they will be irritating us until they pass on.
The most ironic part is if they get to pass on their genes, or at least go through the motions, they would not find cause to be this annoying.
To be precise, the book was written while filming, but wasn't published till after the film. And the movie was not based on "The Sentinel". That short story was the origin of the idea of 2001 for Clarke. I just finished the 4 books and found the comments by Clarke very interesting.
The main difference between Scientology and other religions, even cults, is that Scientology is much more of a corporation then a religion. They copyright all of their texts so others can't read them. They charge for the Scientology equivalent of salvation. And in other parts of the world (Germany) it is not an accepted religion. It almost lost it's official religious (tax-exempt) status in the US until all of it's members sued the IRS. And then it turns it's lawyers on all critics. It definately seems to have a much darker side then any other modern religion.
MS won't have the overheads of collaboration to worry about
I'm not sure about that. From what I've read, there is a lot of infighting in the M$ ranks. Each group trys to out shine the others, and direct competition between product groups is not unusual.
It is my (and your) intellectual property that underlies their database. I have inputted a couple of discs into CDDB over the years.
As I understand it, what you entered was not your intellectual property, unless you made up names to enter. The song titles, artist names, and album names are the IP of the artist (or whoever they gave the rights to in their contract). What you contributed was work in entering this information. Very different.
And the IP they are referring to is the whole concept of getting song/artist/CD info from a central database. Not that the concept is theirs either, but that is what they are refering to.
The difference that I see is that on the internet authorization is much more implied rather then explicitly stated. Looking around on Slashdot, I don't see anything that says I am allowed to read the site. I have a signin (obviously) but before that, nothing said I was allowed to use the service, and even if it did, I would have to read the page to find it. So internet authorization gets to be a grey area, in my mind.
I didn't break in! I walked through the guys back door which he forgot to close.
I understand the analogy, but is it accurate? If the resource is not password protected, or uses a publically published password, can it claim "I didn't MEAN to make that available" as a legal defense when other internet resources use the same process for publically available info?
I wonder if there is some sort of metamoderation in the voting to make sure that kids or an adult shown in the example above can't screw up the system with bad votes.
I'm really confused. I'm hoping not to get flamed by this, but honestly, why was the portion of the law which said "free software doesn't need a warranty" changed to "Open Source software doesn't need a warranty"?
Not to flame, but if you read the article, you woudl see that they wanted to avoid propietary software that, for one reason or another, no money was paid for. "Free software" could be Linux or IE, since MS lets you download it for no cost. They are both "free", but there is a significant difference between the two.
I've looked into this a little bit for a similar project I'm working on and didn't find anything I liked. The closest I've seen to something that looked really good was the way Yahoo! does their web email system. It looks like it is all in JavaScript and CSS, but it works well in IE. I haven't used Netscape on it, but it should work.
I imagine it would not be legal to copy it verbatim (though I didn't look for any licensing info) but it shows that it can be done without an applet and could probably be reproduced.
BTW, why are we seeing so many posts moderated so high recently? I only want to see a few posts per article, and now you get 15 at +5. Did Taco make everyone a moderator full-time or something?
/. already implimented the CPIP for moderation, but still need to work the bugs out :)
For a couple of days there was next to no moderating done and then they switched moderating back on. I thought the moderation permissions were just backed up and so there were a flood of them. Maybe the fix turned on too many moderators.
Or maybe
Amen! I'll turn myself in for the grill...
:)
If you have 1000+ PC's (what is needed for the grill) I don't think you have space for it
"IDIOTS guide to Microsoft Bob"
:)
:)
I'm not sure if I'm being trolled or not...
That book should be worth money! I know I'd pay for one just for the humor factor
I' know it is hard to belive, but this is a true story.
:)
A friend of mine was doing computer support for a local hospital, and one day he got a call from a woman about a progrma not working. He goes down to her office and starts working on it. While he is working, she is chatting him up on what she talks to God about. And what he tells her. My friend is amused by this (being athiest), but puts up with it. After a half hour of working he still can't find the source of the problem. Since it is now after 5 they decide to pick up again the next morning. The woman tells him that she will talk to God and see if he can help with the problem.
The next morning my friend is back workign on it and the woman tells him that God told her that the problem was with the CD-ROM drive. After looking around, my friend finds out that someone had pluged the CD-ROM's ribbon cable in backward and that was causing the problem.
He keeps claiming it was a coincidence, but I've been thinking of starting a church for our lord of tech support
True, but weren't the performance tests done on some high end machines? The article says they are using a lot of smaller machines. And I seem to remember that the tests were on individual boxes, not a farm like this. I was also wondering about if anyone had done something of that size with M$ products.
Anyone know how big the M$N server farm is?
Just think how much it would cost to license 8000 servers with win2k and whatever database they would use. Would Google even be able to do this on M$?
Now I'm certainly not the proper person to say this, since my own social life is coming closer to being fantasy then reality, but who needs terabytes of movies/tv/radio for storage? If you need that much space when do you get caught up watching/listening to it? I was afraid that once I got cable I would become even more of a couch potatoe, but the truth is that I'm watching less tv then ever. It all sucks, and there are many more far more interesting things to do (games, programming, actually talking with people). I have three video tapes full of recored shows sitting next to my VCR from January and I have no real desire to sit down for the 15 hours it would take to wath the them.
:)
In my mind, the real value of convergence is not having to have a dozen remotes, or have to worry about arcane wiring between devices, or especially having to talk my dad through turing on the vcr, setting it to this station, then the DVD player, blah, blah, blah. Or not having to worry if I have enough time on the tape left to catch a show. It is making life easier.
That said, it does sound cool
True, but it has become shorthand for the copyright charater (which I was too lazy to look up the ascii for, and am still too lazy to).
Though I would argue that it is "meaningless". Just about everything a person writes is copyrighted. The notice is just a formal claim and date of copyright. While IANAL-ADWTB (And don't want to be), I would think that putting in "(c)" would indicate the intention satisfacorily for a court, if it went that far. Especailly since the ascii character may not show up in all fonts/browsers.
I was just listening to a skit called Welcome to the Internet Support Desk by Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie on MP3.com. It has that in there. If you haven't heard it, it is hilarious!
The best thing about it that I have had to say nearly the exact same thing to some of the people I talk to.
"No, that's my fault. First turn the computer on, and then try to login."
If you scratch out the (c) on an MS Office CD, it doesn't mean that it isn't still covered by copyright, just as if you put out your own distribution of Linux but don't include the GPL doesn't mean it is no longer covered by copyleft.
Any IP can be abused. This is to give people a way to put music out in a way that hopefully removes the reasons (financial, IP protection, etc) to abuse it. It is a legal solution as opposed to a technical one. Anyone using a technical solution to abuse free (beer and speech) IP should be forced to work for AOL tech support.
I would think the hope of the license is to allow artists a legally safe method of getting their music out there, pre-recording contract. If a group becomes popular enough to get signed, I would think the license would still apply to music they released that way, but not to their newer stuff.
/. :)
One would hope that the recording company would figure out that allowing a few songs to get out like that after an artist becomes popular would be a godd thing since it got them that far. Recording execs have never been accused of beign that bright though - at least not on
I have to agree with the artcle 100%. Most of the stuff that I have done that has gotten the most apperciation have been my own side projects that I was playing around with, as opposed to the designed by (non-technical) committee projects that come my way too.
/. right now, as are you so get off the high horse) but my boss knows that good stuff comes out of it.
I play (hey, I'm reading
There is a huge difference between conditioning and playing games. How many people have been forced to play a violent game? Hmm... I don't see any hands. You play the game because it's fun. It's a form of escapism. You get to be the big, heavily armed guy (or gal) on the block. You get to see people and things blow up. I enjoy playing these games, and I'll admit I've thought that having a rocket launcher in the car would make my communiting much better.
The big difference is that I know the difference between real life and a game. Anyone that blurs the line too much would have problems with books, movies, tv shows, or even the bible. I find your arguement as bad now as I did when people were using it to say Dungeons and Dragons would make kids killers too because it made them think of killing and casting spells.
I'm sorry, but I have to take exception to this. If you saw this article and didn't know what Bonobo was what would I do? I'd look at the picture - the gnome foot - ah! it something related to Gnome (and therefore Linux). How hard is it to a) - either look at the links in the story b) look for other stories on /. on the same topic or c) see what google turns up?
True, but how much easier is it for the author, (whom one would hope could explain what it is) to put in a line or two about it versus everyone who doesn't know go and look it up? I don't know about you, but I prefer my news to be something that I learn from, not something that makes me waste time trying to find out if the news item is of any importance to me.