Yeah, Debian's sweet for 486's or any computer you don't have a cdrom for. All you need is Boot, Drivers, and Base (base takes 7 disks, so there's 9 disks in total, which is not as horrific as it might sound). Then, everything else you can get via NFS'd cdrom or ftp. Hell, they even still make 5 1/2 disk images, although I've never actually had to use them. The oldest machines I've installed usually have both types.
Absolutely. When I ran a punk label, 1000cd's (a single one-time pressing, sans shrinkwrap and jewel box) cost less than 1000$. I'm sure its a lot cheaper now. Yet major label scumbags press hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Where is the economy of scale? I sold most of my cd's for 5 bucks, which included the disk itself and a large poster that was folded into a nifty case for the CD, (with the lyrics, the source code of punkrock) But Major labels claim to barely make a profit when they sell cds for 16.98 or more.
The Artist definitely doesn't get that money. Most punk labels survive very well charging 10 bucks for a jewel-boxed cd, and support their bands. If most punk labels were not one or 2 person operations, run by total newbies, where every time you do something it's the first time, with dumb mistakes, band break-ups, etc, and dealing with scumbag promoters/bar owners, most would make a real profit. Which is why I quit, except when working with the band, or designing the sleeve, mastering, etc, everything in the music business, is 100% dominated by thieves, liars, and backstabbers from top to bottom with few exceptions.
Yes! Huzzah, someone with the spirt to defend all that is true in Americanism! All this damnable bad grammar on slashdot is going to destroy our wonderful republic one day. Is this folly directly related to the so-called Mr. Thomas Jefferson's light treatment of his slaves? Absolutely! That and his wisecracking and various shenannigans against God-fearing decent American-style Federalism!
Ha ha ha! Beat you to it, I'm gonna hire Amazon.com's lawyers to rip you a new one buddy. Everyone knows that int i; is a concept I first propounded in the mid 90s, whilst still in school no less. Just call me the dot in dot com, baby. Don't even get me started on my pioneering use of malloc.
It doesn't mention a minimium period, but I'm sure there is one. Buy the 3 months service for $65, and you have to pay more for the machine itself. All of the hardware is crap, except the flatpanel, a late model 486DX will be about the same performance-wise, plus then you can cheaply add an old ISA NIC, and anything else you might want. I think it would be better to buy an old linuxible run-down laptop.
Don't be sucha spazz..be greatful that ANYONE does ANYTHING and that there is even a/. for us to read. Dorko.
(Ignoring the rest of this thread) the above statement is patently idiotic. If slashdot becomes a site full of any old crap written by any old moron who happens to hit a submit button, then I'll stop reading it.
I doubt it, another post was right on target. If they release the source it would be a disaster for them. A few curious people would look at it, a few other people with special interest would look into it (wine, samba, etc), M$'s commercial competition would look at it, but how many of all the people looking at it would be real developers that would submit patches, etc?
So, M$ would lose all the "advantages" of closed source development, get a lot of derisive laughter (at their bad code), but none of the benefits of open source. They might attract a bunch of people who might otherwise make screen-savers and VB recipe organizers, but will that help?
Hell, it might even open them up to lawsuits from people like Real Networks, and all the others who had bumped heads with M$. Giving them the code to prove M$ did something in the OS to damage their products.
Exactly, lets all rush out buy X-boxes, strip them for parts and drive M$ out of business. Whoops, but they don't exist, darn! How can companies issue a report that's totally BS, but every news-driod reports it like truth every time?
Hey, like next quarter, me and my friend willey will be making nifty ear-held computers, fits right behind your ear, they've got 70gigs of ram, a wireless equivalent of sixteen DS-3's to the internet, and and a stunning 99999999999999999999999999999999999 gigahertz processor, plus we'll give them away, since, next week the world will be conqured by communistic Aliens from the Peoples Republic of Blaaaatzfurp 7.
Yeah, somebody always stops and asks for a creditcard authorization before you can download all the rest of the stuff you don't have, but need. Unless of course, M$ is in the process of driving the maker of some similar product out of business, then they're all smiles and "free" software.
Wow, for me 98 definately sucks, and my experience with NT at work makes me think its the same. I have windows system, I installed it maybe 3 months ago, I'm using it to organize all kinds of old files, stuff I copied from tons 10 year old floppies, cds, etc, I even had to buy and install a 5 1/4" to get some of the really old stuff. And then burn them to CDs. But dragNdrop-ing large groups of files(50-500 at a time) is a high risk venture in windows, after about 10 such dragNdrops my system will hang, or icons start to change, or go blank, all memory is eaten up, often have to cut the power because hitting "start" then "shutdown" often fails to work. But experimenting with it, if I play a game or surf the net, generally things hold up much as I remember, 1-2 crashes a day, not 10-15 a day (when I dropNdrag)! That system ran perfectly in linux, even while compiling a custom kernels, etc. I heavily virus checked everything, so I doubt that's the problem, I got the both Norton and V-something or other from our IT dept and downloaded updates. There are few programs I've run other than the adaptec burner software, IE, windows explorer and a borrowed copy of half-life (all are official retail not warez, including the OS).
do a wc -l on this page and you'll see debian has approx. 10,667, open bug reports. Quoting a figure of total # of bugs and using that as some kind of qualitative measure of software is stupid. What matters is what kind of bugs there are, like if the DNS falls over, can it be restored from backup? NT4.0 can't, you have to reinstall. Or does W2K have premptive multiprocessing? I don't know. I don't care. No matter how good they claim it is its closed source, which is in itself a very good reason not to care.
A debian bug pick at random is: Debian Bug report logs - #30863 verse: should not depend on bible-kjv
I think verse is a program that randomly picks a bible quote and displays it when you login, or maybe in sig files (don't know, don't care. I'm an atheist). Verse has its own bible-quote-database, but the Verse package thinks it needs bible-kjv-text to run. Fix the.deb file and the bug is fixed. Is this a serious error, maybe if you can't go 2 seconds without a bible quote, but the debian systems I've installed do not require you to speak in tongues for them to work.
This really is just wacky FUD, I mean this would imply Windows2000 is only 3 times worse than debian! Although microsoft deserves ridicule, lets use actual facts when doing so, it just makes you all look like Linux-moonies or something.
That's nothing, SweetBaby Jesix (v3.16), and it's just as full of the gosphel as Jesix-Baby, but with kde, pentium optimizations, and the nifty WWJD server. Just telnet to port 777, and you'll get great advice!
But I'll stick to Agnostian GNU/Linux, the non-sectarian Jesix distro.
Rumors about that Corel might be working on a secret project called Budhix.
Plus, I once looked at a redhat cd, a lot of the soft-ware was the same stuff on my debian disks? Maybe someone should tell this to The Debian Corporation., then they could sue Redhat for violating all of their intellectual patents and shit like that, and the worst, is letting debian source code out, man that's gonna hurt debian's IPO, I read all about it on the veritrade site. I'm sure it will do well, but all my money is going into LinuxOne, they rock!
Oh my god, you mean a person actually did something wrong, immoral, or illegal! Holy shit,I've never heard of such a thing. Why perhaps we could form an organization to stop such people, then maybe we could call them, and report this. Why I have a suggestion, lets use the number 911, thats an easy number to remember, now..... what to call these enforcers that will make us all correctly following the law.... hummm..... weird, that we would ever need such a strange organization. My goodness, what shenanigans these GPL types will get themselves and us into.
ONE THING THAT SEEMS REALLY DANGEROUS TO ME IS WHENEVER I R-TELNET TO A LINIX-DISTRO IT ALWAYS GIVES YOU A LOGIN PROMPT, MY WINDOWS BOX NEVER DOES THAT. SO IT IS MUCH MORE SECURE. I MEAN THAT'S JUST AN INVITATION TO PEOPLE TO LOGON AND REFORMAT MY HARDDRIVE.
PLUS WINDOWS HAS MULTI-TUSKING. WHICH IS AS I UNDERSTAND A WAY TO MAKE YOUR SYSTEM HAVE MANY TUSKS, TO SCARE AWAY ANY HACKING CRACKERS.
THE ONLY FEATURE I DONT LIKE IS THAT SCANDISK ALWAYS RUNS WHENEVER I POWER MY SYSTEM BACK ON, IT MUST BE A LINUX APP SOMEONE PORTED OVER TO WINDOWS, HOW CAN I UNINSTALL IT? IT ALWAYS TAKES SO LONG TO RUN, AND IT DOES NOTHING BUT "FIX" FILES, HOW CAN THEY BE BROKEN, I JUST TURNED IT ON? I HAVEN'T EVEN EDITED ANY FILES YET, I SAY IF IT AINT BROKEN DONT LET SCANDISK FIX EM!
That's more support than you ever get from microsoft. And whether or not redhat is screwing people is besides the point, as everyone should be using debian anyway.
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah, Debian's sweet for 486's or any computer you don't have a cdrom for. All you need is Boot, Drivers, and Base (base takes 7 disks, so there's 9 disks in total, which is not as horrific as it might sound). Then, everything else you can get via NFS'd cdrom or ftp. Hell, they even still make 5 1/2 disk images, although I've never actually had to use them. The oldest machines I've installed usually have both types.
Absolutely. When I ran a punk label, 1000cd's (a single one-time pressing, sans shrinkwrap and jewel box) cost less than 1000$. I'm sure its a lot cheaper now. Yet major label scumbags press hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Where is the economy of scale? I sold most of my cd's for 5 bucks, which included the disk itself and a large poster that was folded into a nifty case for the CD, (with the lyrics, the source code of punkrock) But Major labels claim to barely make a profit when they sell cds for 16.98 or more.
The Artist definitely doesn't get that money. Most punk labels survive very well charging 10 bucks for a jewel-boxed cd, and support their bands. If most punk labels were not one or 2 person operations, run by total newbies, where every time you do something it's the first time, with dumb mistakes, band break-ups, etc, and dealing with scumbag promoters/bar owners, most would make a real profit. Which is why I quit, except when working with the band, or designing the sleeve, mastering, etc, everything in the music business, is 100% dominated by thieves, liars, and backstabbers from top to bottom with few exceptions.
Yes! Huzzah, someone with the spirt to defend all that is true in Americanism! All this damnable bad grammar on slashdot is going to destroy our wonderful republic one day. Is this folly directly related to the so-called Mr. Thomas Jefferson's light treatment of his slaves? Absolutely! That and his wisecracking and various shenannigans against God-fearing decent American-style Federalism!
Ha ha ha! Beat you to it, I'm gonna hire Amazon.com's lawyers to rip you a new one buddy. Everyone knows that int i; is a concept I first propounded in the mid 90s, whilst still in school no less. Just call me the dot in dot com, baby. Don't even get me started on my pioneering use of malloc.
But the 99$ price has a small * :
All i-openers are $99.00 with Premium Service
It doesn't mention a minimium period, but I'm sure there is one. Buy the 3 months service for $65, and you have to pay more for the machine itself. All of the hardware is crap, except the flatpanel, a late model 486DX will be about the same performance-wise, plus then you can cheaply add an old ISA NIC, and anything else you might want. I think it would be better to buy an old linuxible run-down laptop.
Don't be sucha spazz..be greatful that ANYONE does ANYTHING and that there is even a /. for us to read. Dorko.
(Ignoring the rest of this thread) the above statement is patently idiotic. If slashdot becomes a site full of any old crap written by any old moron who happens to hit a submit button, then I'll stop reading it.
openFab.org
They help keep the disk centered while the tray is being drawn back into the drive.
I doubt it, another post was right on target. If they release the source it would be a disaster for them. A few curious people would look at it, a few other people with special interest would look into it (wine, samba, etc), M$'s commercial competition would look at it, but how many of all the people looking at it would be real developers that would submit patches, etc?
So, M$ would lose all the "advantages" of closed source development, get a lot of derisive laughter (at their bad code), but none of the benefits of open source. They might attract a bunch of people who might otherwise make screen-savers and VB recipe organizers, but will that help?
Hell, it might even open them up to lawsuits from people like Real Networks, and all the others who had bumped heads with M$. Giving them the code to prove M$ did something in the OS to damage their products.
somebody get Al Gore, this guys trying to take credit for the www and global warming, shit everyone know the G-man from Tennessee did all that!
The evil python god will appear and squeeze the life out of you!
Exactly, lets all rush out buy X-boxes, strip them for parts and drive M$ out of business. Whoops, but they don't exist, darn! How can companies issue a report that's totally BS, but every news-driod reports it like truth every time?
Hey, like next quarter, me and my friend willey will be making nifty ear-held computers, fits right behind your ear, they've got 70gigs of ram, a wireless equivalent of sixteen DS-3's to the internet, and and a stunning 99999999999999999999999999999999999 gigahertz processor, plus we'll give them away, since, next week the world will be conqured by communistic Aliens from the Peoples Republic of Blaaaatzfurp 7.
Yeah, somebody always stops and asks for a creditcard authorization before you can download all the rest of the stuff you don't have, but need. Unless of course, M$ is in the process of driving the maker of some similar product out of business, then they're all smiles and "free" software.
Obviously, you're confusing autoconf and autoerotic-asphixiation.
Wow, for me 98 definately sucks, and my experience with NT at work makes me think its the same. I have windows system, I installed it maybe 3 months ago, I'm using it to organize all kinds of old files, stuff I copied from tons 10 year old floppies, cds, etc, I even had to buy and install a 5 1/4" to get some of the really old stuff. And then burn them to CDs. But dragNdrop-ing large groups of files(50-500 at a time) is a high risk venture in windows, after about 10 such dragNdrops my system will hang, or icons start to change, or go blank, all memory is eaten up, often have to cut the power because hitting "start" then "shutdown" often fails to work. But experimenting with it, if I play a game or surf the net, generally things hold up much as I remember, 1-2 crashes a day, not 10-15 a day (when I dropNdrag)! That system ran perfectly in linux, even while compiling a custom kernels, etc. I heavily virus checked everything, so I doubt that's the problem, I got the both Norton and V-something or other from our IT dept and downloaded updates. There are few programs I've run other than the adaptec burner software, IE, windows explorer and a borrowed copy of half-life (all are official retail not warez, including the OS).
No! Nearly 30% of those features are really enhancements.
First off:
.deb file and the bug is fixed. Is this a serious error, maybe if you can't go 2 seconds without a bible quote, but the debian systems I've installed do not require you to speak in tongues for them to work.
I wouldn't trust windows2000 to flush my toilet.
But:
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/ix/summary.html
do a wc -l on this page and you'll see debian has approx. 10,667, open bug reports. Quoting a figure of total # of bugs and using that as some kind of qualitative measure of software is stupid. What matters is what kind of bugs there are, like if the DNS falls over, can it be restored from backup? NT4.0 can't, you have to reinstall. Or does W2K have premptive multiprocessing? I don't know. I don't care. No matter how good they claim it is its closed source, which is in itself a very good reason not to care.
A debian bug pick at random is:
Debian Bug report logs - #30863 verse: should not depend on bible-kjv
I think verse is a program that randomly picks a bible quote and displays it when you login, or maybe in sig files (don't know, don't care. I'm an atheist). Verse has its own bible-quote-database, but the Verse package thinks it needs
bible-kjv-text to run. Fix the
This really is just wacky FUD, I mean this would imply Windows2000 is only 3 times worse than debian! Although microsoft deserves ridicule, lets use actual facts when doing so, it just makes you all look like Linux-moonies or something.
I'd be more worried about what ELSE those FBI binaries are doing!
Someone IRC'd Corel's Budhix betasite URL, but I haven't be reincarneted enough times to download it legally.
That's nothing, SweetBaby Jesix (v3.16), and it's just as full of the gosphel as Jesix-Baby, but with kde, pentium optimizations, and the nifty WWJD server. Just telnet to port 777, and you'll get great advice!
But I'll stick to Agnostian GNU/Linux, the non-sectarian Jesix distro.
Rumors about that Corel might be working on a secret project called Budhix.
Y3ah, no dOuBt!!!!
Plus, I once looked at a redhat cd, a lot of the soft-ware was the same stuff on my debian disks? Maybe someone should tell this to The Debian Corporation., then they could sue Redhat for violating all of their intellectual patents and shit like that, and the worst, is letting debian source code out, man that's gonna hurt debian's IPO, I read all about it on the veritrade site. I'm sure it will do well, but all my money is going into LinuxOne, they rock!
bUSta gnuCKle oN tHoz chUmpZ!
Too freaking true.
Oh my god, you mean a person actually did something wrong, immoral, or illegal! Holy shit,I've never heard of such a thing. Why perhaps we could form an organization to stop such people, then maybe we could call them, and report this. Why I have a suggestion, lets use the number 911, thats an easy number to remember, now ..... what to call these enforcers that will make us all correctly following the law.... hummm ..... weird, that we would ever need such a strange organization. My goodness, what shenanigans these GPL types will get themselves and us into.
ONE THING THAT SEEMS REALLY DANGEROUS TO ME IS WHENEVER I R-TELNET TO A LINIX-DISTRO IT ALWAYS GIVES YOU A LOGIN PROMPT, MY WINDOWS BOX NEVER DOES THAT. SO IT IS MUCH MORE SECURE. I MEAN THAT'S JUST AN INVITATION TO PEOPLE TO LOGON AND REFORMAT MY HARDDRIVE.
PLUS WINDOWS HAS MULTI-TUSKING. WHICH IS AS I UNDERSTAND A WAY TO MAKE YOUR SYSTEM HAVE MANY TUSKS, TO SCARE AWAY ANY HACKING CRACKERS.
THE ONLY FEATURE I DONT LIKE IS THAT SCANDISK ALWAYS RUNS WHENEVER I POWER MY SYSTEM BACK ON, IT MUST BE A LINUX APP SOMEONE PORTED OVER TO WINDOWS, HOW CAN I UNINSTALL IT? IT ALWAYS TAKES SO LONG TO RUN, AND IT DOES NOTHING BUT "FIX" FILES, HOW CAN THEY BE BROKEN, I JUST TURNED IT ON? I HAVEN'T EVEN EDITED ANY FILES YET, I SAY IF IT AINT BROKEN DONT LET SCANDISK FIX EM!
That's more support than you ever get from microsoft. And whether or not redhat is screwing people is besides the point, as everyone should be using debian anyway.
Let the flaming begin!!!!!