Ah yes, the wise lessons from the people who have been genetically bypassed on the humor gen, take everything literally, and combine it with their head in their ass. Wonferful:) Get a sense of humor before commenting, please.
Ah yes..for the BORG it does! What good does it do to me? If you're in a collective, indeed a lot of healty biking borg will give them a benefit (although it's a rather slow way of space travel) even if you die. As a human, I ponder how to enjoy the benefits of my increased health while I'm dead.
That seems to be the meme here, and that any new search engine is immediately written off if it does not match or exceed Google's index from the start (So it seems Google quest to create as big a barrier of entrance as possible has succeeded. Isn't intend and potential much more important for new players? If we are gonna be like this, yes, Google will remain king of the hill and grow up even more to the company that the money and market share dictates).
But about the name. I'd say that all the people complaining about the name never themselves actually register domain names and thus lack any initiative whatsoever. Not the best critics. Because if you would, you know there's a distinct difference between thinking of a good name, and thinking of a good name, which hasn't been registered yet. Systematically, everything short is gone, everything a bit larger and pronouncable or vaguely a word is gone.
I congratulate them on getting a 4 letter domain name which is vaguely pronouncable/recognizable as a real word.
I don't think any "physical" input devices will take over the mouse. The mouse is on top, because it's the best of them, there's nothing more to it. For a real replacement, tracking brainwaves is too difficult yet, but eye tracking seems to be a more realistic approach as the first contestant. It would work something like this: you look at the screen, and the eye tracking device converts that into coordinates and a pointer on screen, while something like a little nudge or wink could be regarded as a mouse click. It's silent, it's no more or less (except the nudge) than we're doing now with our eyes, and it requires no physical movement with arms.
A strange paradox in the first paragraph. So no legal problems, except being "entombed behind walls" despite the more permissive BSD license?
A critical lack of research in the single BSD example you cherry picked. In this particular example, jQuery's John Resig works for the Mozilla Corporation and writing tools such as this library is exactly his job. The Mozilla Corporation is, as you might be aware, an open source organization which earns zillions by Firefox's Google search bar and search page. If you had taken a look at the mailing list and web pages, you would have found out it's an extremely active project with a history of rapid development and lots of contributions from many web developers. jQuery isn't something that's visible on a corporate level, yet most of the people who mail in a bug fix, supply a new module or donate a few bucks, are working for web companies. How's BSD not working?
Sure, but that's another issue alltogether which is true for some cases and not true for others.
The question was "show me some of your code, something you programmed", not "show me some of the code you reused, with attributions taken away and your name on top" to show off your time saving skills. Also, the guys who do this, they're not exactly..uhm..code polishers if you catch my drift.
Real programmers don't care what language they need to write applications in. They write them in C.
Nah, man. REAL programmers use assembly.:-)
What's even more funny is that this used to be true. During my Amiga scene days, the worst you could do is program your demo/hack in C, something for puny minds. Something for "lamers", cause for a flame war. The least you did was to provide your own file system/memory management - all in assembly of course - and if you wanted to be one of the boys, you needed to provide a new even smarter way to beat, say, the last record in number of bobs at the screen (won by the "infinite bobs" demo).
My point is it just has moved up a level, and it will do so again, and again. I do most of my programming in high level interpreted languages these days like Python and, behold, PHP. "Real men" code in C or C++. Those will say they don't code in assembly because it's error-prone, too time consuming, while using C instead of Python because the app is mission critical for speed, et cetera. The great irony is the same of true for them as we're shifting up a level. In the end, most servers and apps will be written in the newer higher languages, because it's easier, more secure (no more buffer overflows and other errors which are abstracted away) and fast enough on the current hardware. And even later their developers will say how hardcore they are for using these languages, because the even newer generation is not for real men and too slow for critical apps. I mean, those dorks in Star Trek talking to a screen, saying "Computer, here's a concept I'd like to program"...really! But isn't that what we're all working towards? Moving up is a step towards an ideal state - the state of purely conceptual programming. Of course we're afraid of it - all our technical skills which set us apart from others - meaningless - only the naked concept remains.
And this core truth of classic fear of change can be tracked back when looking for the origin of the "real programmers" meme. Thank you for playing!
Like many, I've never experienced a truly capable HR department. Weirdly, 9 out of 10 of my co-workers are male but 9 out of 10 of the HR departments are female. Now, I love women, but my professional capabilities have never ever been properly assessed by female HR persons. I'd call their assessments lazy, emphatically challenged, and cliche ridden ("Are you a team worker?" *No I hate people..oh wait* "Yes I love to work in a team.") So they're in IT, don't have the brain for the IT jobs but only for support & overhead, yet hire the people who do the real IT job. It really makes you wonder... Now this rant his been quite a-typical for someone who believes in emancipation, so why not celebrate the occasion and go all the way, by stating that the one good thing about HR depts is that they provide chicks for what are usually male-nerd oriented companies.
You forgot the requirements that, despite all these skills and knowledge they desire, communicate they still consider those rather trivial (like they're looking for a moron) by asking for:
Bullocks. Have you actually read my comment? PS: Linux got big when BSD was in legal problems. You're a GPL fanboy who's trying to rewrite history to serve his viewpoints. Not so good.
You're forgetting that big companies do not fail to return changes by default. It depends on the project, the added value and the exclusiveness of the changes, among others.
For example, many web libraries such as jquery are BSD and get a lot of changes submitted back, because the companies behind those changes want those changes incorporated in the new version, they don't want a branch or resell the library - just use it.
Well I agree. I don't mean to troll while everybody else seems to be, uhm, enjoying the beauty and the aesthetics of type, and I normally don't put down things like this, but I thought most of the writings were pretty gay and pretentious. All these snob curves.. like the d from the first one. "Ooh look at me, being all arty schmarty in my 'casual' handwriting." In the meantime, they've probably been bend over desks and papers painstakingly trying to get it right - not so casual. What's worse is many of them will consider themselves "artists", because being a mere "designer" is no good, while none of them have any originality whatsoever and seem like products aimed to generate a stock perception of the writer. No artists. Kitsch. Oh, I know, I'm being too tough. I'm one of those "99 out of 100 artists should get a job..at McDonals's". Could up it though. One advantage of a new great depression would be that we'd finally get to kick some real art out of all those self-declared art persons in prosperous times, with their curvy handwriting skills.
The disconnect between the View and the Controller should be a stateless one; I can't imagine why you'd want it otherwise. In your quest trying to appear smart, you appear quite stupid.
I really don't mean to be pedantic.. but I'm going to be.
Anyway, my point is that you seem to have an awfully myopic view of things. *ploink*
Anyway, it's been a nice conversation. Until you became a pedantic asshole who defends his mvc framework with a stance of superiority.. shame. Was it such a shock? Poor boy. I find many so called OOP experts never considered the statelessness of the web. Such as you. It is strange that, after it is explained to you, you dismiss it by playing the instant expert.
P.S. How does the asshole reply feel?
P.S.S. I've forgotten more about OOP than you have ever known. Perhaps you should consider that for a moment, if your kind is capable of that (you are not).
I agree at some point of complexity there's benefit from OOP in stateless environments. In my experience, 99 out of 100 web apps I've seen don't qualify, especially the inhouse frameworks. It's usually simple stuff like you mentioned, which is never reused outside the company, or even within, within its lifetime cycle. So if someone new comes in, he's awed by this huge, complex, slow system, which could have been done simpler and cheaper.
Ok, I'll bite. What makes MVC a "piss poor model" for web applications? Because the web, like he said, is stateless. A request comes in, the server compiles and constructs this whole MVC structure from the scripting language, with 1 page object, 1 database object, etc. etc., generates 1 page, and then.. well then it throws everything away. Well, joy. Compare this to desktop apps where stuff is in memory and real processes take place between objects. So for the web, it degenerates both object oriented programming and MVC into mere ways to organize your code, more likely than not in a much too complex and time-consuming way.
Props to Bill Gates and his company Microsoft, and his business strategies, which served to DRIVE software and hardware innovation for so many years I'd say it's the opposite. Software and hardware innovation were driven by the market to new heights in the eighties, not seen before and not seen after. Innovation was when a seemingly endless stream of 8-bit and 16-bit computers were on the market, battling it out. Innovation was the ZX Spectrum, the Apple Macintosh, the Commodore Amiga.
Wintel was THE DEATH of all that. With Wintel taking over the market in the nineties, competitive innovation was pushed out, and technological innovation has been hold back by the realities of financial and marketing forces ever since. In state of technology cycles, it was no longer important what could be done and how fast, but whether the previous cycle could still be financially leeched or had been excausted to such extend there should be innovation towards a new cycle.
Aaah Web 2.0 rack space..I see it implies bathing the servers in blue light. This must have huge advantages, of which I'm unfortunately unaware. Personally, I'd expect to bump into the Mother Alien around the corner.
In the successful projects I've been involved in (of course this evidence is anecdotal) they've become self-sustaining when there are 5 or 6 regular contributors, or one organization that depended upon the app. Not quite the followup to your strong religion I was hoping for. So, if all else fails, such as reason, logic or evidence, it's of no surprise all that's left for you is:
Sorry that things haven't worked out for your project. Given how pleasant your response was, maybe it was your attitude? Cheap asshole. How impressive. Given how much of an asshole you are, perhaps that was the reason many of the projects you were in failed?
P.S. For reality go to sourceforge and look at project stats. There's a vast grey area of successful projects in terms of downloads and users, and only one or two contributors. Considering the ratio of users:contributors, this area is inherent. It's open source' dirty little secret.
Nonsense. All that it takes to have a successful community is Ah, religion. How to reply? Strong words, and then nothing but some Methodology along the lines of "5 Steps to Make You Rich". That's just silly. Since you're so sure of yourself, mr. Content is King and Related Cliches, perhaps you'd be so kind to mention the threshold were the community is big enough to harvest contributors from them. Or is it all talk and anectodal evidence and no content such as empirical evidence.
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Ah yes, the wise lessons from the people who have been genetically bypassed on the humor gen, take everything literally, and combine it with their head in their ass. Wonferful :) Get a sense of humor before commenting, please.
Health benefits of cycling outweigh the risks.
Ah yes..for the BORG it does! What good does it do to me? If you're in a collective, indeed a lot of healty biking borg will give them a benefit (although it's a rather slow way of space travel) even if you die. As a human, I ponder how to enjoy the benefits of my increased health while I'm dead.
"Cuil" is a really dumb name.
That seems to be the meme here, and that any new search engine is immediately written off if it does not match or exceed Google's index from the start (So it seems Google quest to create as big a barrier of entrance as possible has succeeded. Isn't intend and potential much more important for new players? If we are gonna be like this, yes, Google will remain king of the hill and grow up even more to the company that the money and market share dictates).
But about the name. I'd say that all the people complaining about the name never themselves actually register domain names and thus lack any initiative whatsoever. Not the best critics. Because if you would, you know there's a distinct difference between thinking of a good name, and thinking of a good name, which hasn't been registered yet. Systematically, everything short is gone, everything a bit larger and pronouncable or vaguely a word is gone.
I congratulate them on getting a 4 letter domain name which is vaguely pronouncable/recognizable as a real word.
I don't think any "physical" input devices will take over the mouse. The mouse is on top, because it's the best of them, there's nothing more to it. For a real replacement, tracking brainwaves is too difficult yet, but eye tracking seems to be a more realistic approach as the first contestant. It would work something like this: you look at the screen, and the eye tracking device converts that into coordinates and a pointer on screen, while something like a little nudge or wink could be regarded as a mouse click. It's silent, it's no more or less (except the nudge) than we're doing now with our eyes, and it requires no physical movement with arms.
Some guy who works at a nonprofit whose entire purpose is managing open source projects? A vanishingly rare special case, and how big are they anyway?
LOL. Sore loser. You brought it up, while you weren't informed. Fail.
A strange paradox in the first paragraph. So no legal problems, except being "entombed behind walls" despite the more permissive BSD license?
A critical lack of research in the single BSD example you cherry picked. In this particular example, jQuery's John Resig works for the Mozilla Corporation and writing tools such as this library is exactly his job. The Mozilla Corporation is, as you might be aware, an open source organization which earns zillions by Firefox's Google search bar and search page. If you had taken a look at the mailing list and web pages, you would have found out it's an extremely active project with a history of rapid development and lots of contributions from many web developers. jQuery isn't something that's visible on a corporate level, yet most of the people who mail in a bug fix, supply a new module or donate a few bucks, are working for web companies. How's BSD not working?
Sure, but that's another issue alltogether which is true for some cases and not true for others.
The question was "show me some of your code, something you programmed", not "show me some of the code you reused, with attributions taken away and your name on top" to show off your time saving skills. Also, the guys who do this, they're not exactly..uhm..code polishers if you catch my drift.
Real programmers don't care what language they need to write applications in. They write them in C.
Nah, man. REAL programmers use assembly. :-)
What's even more funny is that this used to be true. During my Amiga scene days, the worst you could do is program your demo/hack in C, something for puny minds. Something for "lamers", cause for a flame war. The least you did was to provide your own file system/memory management - all in assembly of course - and if you wanted to be one of the boys, you needed to provide a new even smarter way to beat, say, the last record in number of bobs at the screen (won by the "infinite bobs" demo).
My point is it just has moved up a level, and it will do so again, and again. I do most of my programming in high level interpreted languages these days like Python and, behold, PHP. "Real men" code in C or C++. Those will say they don't code in assembly because it's error-prone, too time consuming, while using C instead of Python because the app is mission critical for speed, et cetera. The great irony is the same of true for them as we're shifting up a level. In the end, most servers and apps will be written in the newer higher languages, because it's easier, more secure (no more buffer overflows and other errors which are abstracted away) and fast enough on the current hardware. And even later their developers will say how hardcore they are for using these languages, because the even newer generation is not for real men and too slow for critical apps. I mean, those dorks in Star Trek talking to a screen, saying "Computer, here's a concept I'd like to program"...really! But isn't that what we're all working towards? Moving up is a step towards an ideal state - the state of purely conceptual programming. Of course we're afraid of it - all our technical skills which set us apart from others - meaningless - only the naked concept remains.
And this core truth of classic fear of change can be tracked back when looking for the origin of the "real programmers" meme. Thank you for playing!
Like many, I've never experienced a truly capable HR department. Weirdly, 9 out of 10 of my co-workers are male but 9 out of 10 of the HR departments are female. Now, I love women, but my professional capabilities have never ever been properly assessed by female HR persons. I'd call their assessments lazy, emphatically challenged, and cliche ridden ("Are you a team worker?" *No I hate people..oh wait* "Yes I love to work in a team.") So they're in IT, don't have the brain for the IT jobs but only for support & overhead, yet hire the people who do the real IT job. It really makes you wonder... Now this rant his been quite a-typical for someone who believes in emancipation, so why not celebrate the occasion and go all the way, by stating that the one good thing about HR depts is that they provide chicks for what are usually male-nerd oriented companies.
You forgot the requirements that, despite all these skills and knowledge they desire, communicate they still consider those rather trivial (like they're looking for a moron) by asking for:
Proficiency with Microsoft Office and PowerPoint.
By googling for bits of the code. Last time I had to hire a web developer for my company, 50% showed code that was copied from elsewhere.
Bullocks. Have you actually read my comment? PS: Linux got big when BSD was in legal problems. You're a GPL fanboy who's trying to rewrite history to serve his viewpoints. Not so good.
For example, many web libraries such as jquery are BSD and get a lot of changes submitted back, because the companies behind those changes want those changes incorporated in the new version, they don't want a branch or resell the library - just use it.
Well I agree. I don't mean to troll while everybody else seems to be, uhm, enjoying the beauty and the aesthetics of type, and I normally don't put down things like this, but I thought most of the writings were pretty gay and pretentious. All these snob curves.. like the d from the first one. "Ooh look at me, being all arty schmarty in my 'casual' handwriting." In the meantime, they've probably been bend over desks and papers painstakingly trying to get it right - not so casual. What's worse is many of them will consider themselves "artists", because being a mere "designer" is no good, while none of them have any originality whatsoever and seem like products aimed to generate a stock perception of the writer. No artists. Kitsch. Oh, I know, I'm being too tough. I'm one of those "99 out of 100 artists should get a job..at McDonals's". Could up it though. One advantage of a new great depression would be that we'd finally get to kick some real art out of all those self-declared art persons in prosperous times, with their curvy handwriting skills.
That's all very nice, but how does this involve Marlon Brando in some DJ gig?
P.S. How does the asshole reply feel?
P.S.S. I've forgotten more about OOP than you have ever known. Perhaps you should consider that for a moment, if your kind is capable of that (you are not).
I agree at some point of complexity there's benefit from OOP in stateless environments. In my experience, 99 out of 100 web apps I've seen don't qualify, especially the inhouse frameworks. It's usually simple stuff like you mentioned, which is never reused outside the company, or even within, within its lifetime cycle. So if someone new comes in, he's awed by this huge, complex, slow system, which could have been done simpler and cheaper.
Wintel was THE DEATH of all that. With Wintel taking over the market in the nineties, competitive innovation was pushed out, and technological innovation has been hold back by the realities of financial and marketing forces ever since. In state of technology cycles, it was no longer important what could be done and how fast, but whether the previous cycle could still be financially leeched or had been excausted to such extend there should be innovation towards a new cycle.
Bill has set us back 15 years.
Aaah Web 2.0 rack space..I see it implies bathing the servers in blue light. This must have huge advantages, of which I'm unfortunately unaware. Personally, I'd expect to bump into the Mother Alien around the corner.