You call the Israeli Labor and Kadima parties extremists? Seriously? Have you never heard of Shas, UTJ, and the other settler and ultra-Orthodox parties?
I know it sounds nice to say "both sides have too many extremists", but if you visit Israel it quickly becomes apparent that Israel isn't run by extremists. People inside Israel live normal lives when the wars stop, while groups like Hamas dedicate their time and effort to making sure that, for the Palestinians, the war never stops.
I see you've not met many Jews. The ones I know are very religious.
Then you don't know Jews very well. Most of us really don't give a shit about religion, especially that sick everyone-should-be-a-rabbi-or-rabbi's-wife bullshit the blackhats practice.
Gates, Jobs, Torvalds, all Jews? Where do you come up with all this rank bullshit?
Actually, he's got you there. Name any major innovation in science and technology of the past 100 years, and I can probably find you a Jew somewhere behind it. For such a tiny population we do do a lot of science. For example, read "How Israel Saved Intel".
Not that the GP is right in anything he says about Muslims. Islam is... well it's pretty much the same as the Jewish religion, but a bit stricter and with proselytizing. The difference in public images largely comes because most Jews haven't practiced Orthodox observance for about 200 years now, whereas most Muslims still practice observant Islam. Oh, and because Islam marks land as "Muslim" if Muslims ever conquer it at any point, while Jews and Judaism make our sole political claim to the land of Israel, which is what this whole goddamned war is about anyway.
As we always ask, "ad matai?" (translation: "until when [the fighting]?")
Instead of helping the Palestinians rebuild a infrastructure capable of bringing order and controlling the place bombs rain down and destroy it.
Unfortunately when Israel allowed humanitarian shipments and business shipments into Gaza, Hamas used those shipments to smuggle weapons into Gaza. Israel instituted the blockade precisely to starve out Hamas and avoid a war like the one they now fight. Unfortunately that failed as well.
There's really only one thing you can do to a person or group who believes that suffering is reason to fight and that truce is a victory, and therefore reason to fight even harder. This is psychosis, and anything Israel does that can actually end it will be condemned.
So far the UN reports that the civilian casualty rate (the percentage of casualties who were civilians) is 25%. That means a 75% military rate. Unfortunately, that rate is far better than almost any modern war.
You want to shape world opinion to your point of view?
Actually, this whole idea of propaganda war is retarded and fails to account for the fact that people have biases that they will default to no matter how much propaganda they are fed.
Quit playing the victim card and start acting like you learned something from everything that's been done to you.
Now which side are you talking to here again? I honestly can't tell.
Of course, George Washington also helped to ruthlessly exterminate the natives of the land he lived on, so perhaps the comparison is a little better than you thought.
Oh lets not forget that there's a pile of aid sitting at the egypt/gaza border either but hamas won't open it. I mean seriously do a bit of research.
Seriously? I heard that Egypt wouldn't open the Gaza border because they don't want the Palestinians fleeing into Egypt, where they would cease being Israel's problem.
Yeah, having a homeland and wanting to leave peacefully in it as a majority population with a state of our own, that is one racist and vicious ideology held by those Israelis... and the French... the Spaniards... the Germans... the Finns... the English... the Irish... the Scottish... the South Africans... the Chinese... the Japanese... the Indonesians... the Indians... the Polish... the Russians... am I forgetting anyone here?
Anyway, we can be sure it's a vicious, racist ideology that practically everyone in the Old World needs to stop upholding.
I figure that CNN and BBC and such must be relatively balanced in their coverage. If the Jews and Arabs both think they are biased in favor of the enemy, they must logically be balanced.
Hamas was the least corrupt party on their ballot. It's understandable that they voted for Hamas, and it doesn't justify the suffering Hamas has caused them.
Dear Israeli man posting AC (at least, you sound Israeli),
Nobody is going to listen. The world has gone to the dirty hippies who think that suffering automatically gives one a moral upper ground, and who therefore won't root for Israel until the Jews have been halfway wiped out again, at which point the whole cycle will restart. Just finish off Hamas and write the history books like a good winner.
what does that make the US invasion of Iraq? What does that make the Hezbollah resistance in 2006, which many would claim to have been executed with a well-defined plan?
Those are called "war efforts". Terrorism is the tactic of deliberately killing civilians in the most violent and ugly way possible (ie: not just gunning them down, but nail-bombing them) in order to instill fear.
I'm still shocked that there weren't any stories about wall street traders getting assassinated.
Yeah, that's how we know we've done our jobs right.
-- The Assassins
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Ohmigod. Are you saying that I'm helping the Arab war effort by running Windows to play video games?
You call the Israeli Labor and Kadima parties extremists? Seriously? Have you never heard of Shas, UTJ, and the other settler and ultra-Orthodox parties?
I know it sounds nice to say "both sides have too many extremists", but if you visit Israel it quickly becomes apparent that Israel isn't run by extremists. People inside Israel live normal lives when the wars stop, while groups like Hamas dedicate their time and effort to making sure that, for the Palestinians, the war never stops.
I see you've not met many Jews. The ones I know are very religious.
Then you don't know Jews very well. Most of us really don't give a shit about religion, especially that sick everyone-should-be-a-rabbi-or-rabbi's-wife bullshit the blackhats practice.
Gates, Jobs, Torvalds, all Jews? Where do you come up with all this rank bullshit?
Actually, he's got you there. Name any major innovation in science and technology of the past 100 years, and I can probably find you a Jew somewhere behind it. For such a tiny population we do do a lot of science. For example, read "How Israel Saved Intel".
Not that the GP is right in anything he says about Muslims. Islam is... well it's pretty much the same as the Jewish religion, but a bit stricter and with proselytizing. The difference in public images largely comes because most Jews haven't practiced Orthodox observance for about 200 years now, whereas most Muslims still practice observant Islam. Oh, and because Islam marks land as "Muslim" if Muslims ever conquer it at any point, while Jews and Judaism make our sole political claim to the land of Israel, which is what this whole goddamned war is about anyway.
As we always ask, "ad matai?" (translation: "until when [the fighting]?")
Instead of helping the Palestinians rebuild a infrastructure capable of bringing order and controlling the place bombs rain down and destroy it.
Unfortunately when Israel allowed humanitarian shipments and business shipments into Gaza, Hamas used those shipments to smuggle weapons into Gaza. Israel instituted the blockade precisely to starve out Hamas and avoid a war like the one they now fight. Unfortunately that failed as well.
There's really only one thing you can do to a person or group who believes that suffering is reason to fight and that truce is a victory, and therefore reason to fight even harder. This is psychosis, and anything Israel does that can actually end it will be condemned.
So far the UN reports that the civilian casualty rate (the percentage of casualties who were civilians) is 25%. That means a 75% military rate. Unfortunately, that rate is far better than almost any modern war.
We don't seek to convert. The GP was probably just not familiar with Judaism; there aren't as many of us as there once were...
You want to shape world opinion to your point of view?
Actually, this whole idea of propaganda war is retarded and fails to account for the fact that people have biases that they will default to no matter how much propaganda they are fed.
Quit playing the victim card and start acting like you learned something from everything that's been done to you.
Now which side are you talking to here again? I honestly can't tell.
All the world will remember is the dead kids.
Since when has world opinion saved a single life on either side of this conflict?
Of course, George Washington also helped to ruthlessly exterminate the natives of the land he lived on, so perhaps the comparison is a little better than you thought.
Oh lets not forget that there's a pile of aid sitting at the egypt/gaza border either but hamas won't open it. I mean seriously do a bit of research.
Seriously? I heard that Egypt wouldn't open the Gaza border because they don't want the Palestinians fleeing into Egypt, where they would cease being Israel's problem.
Yeah, having a homeland and wanting to leave peacefully in it as a majority population with a state of our own, that is one racist and vicious ideology held by those Israelis... and the French... the Spaniards... the Germans... the Finns... the English... the Irish... the Scottish... the South Africans... the Chinese... the Japanese... the Indonesians... the Indians... the Polish... the Russians... am I forgetting anyone here?
Anyway, we can be sure it's a vicious, racist ideology that practically everyone in the Old World needs to stop upholding.
I figure that CNN and BBC and such must be relatively balanced in their coverage. If the Jews and Arabs both think they are biased in favor of the enemy, they must logically be balanced.
Hamas was the least corrupt party on their ballot. It's understandable that they voted for Hamas, and it doesn't justify the suffering Hamas has caused them.
Dear Israeli man posting AC (at least, you sound Israeli),
Nobody is going to listen. The world has gone to the dirty hippies who think that suffering automatically gives one a moral upper ground, and who therefore won't root for Israel until the Jews have been halfway wiped out again, at which point the whole cycle will restart. Just finish off Hamas and write the history books like a good winner.
what does that make the US invasion of Iraq? What does that make the Hezbollah resistance in 2006, which many would claim to have been executed with a well-defined plan?
Those are called "war efforts". Terrorism is the tactic of deliberately killing civilians in the most violent and ugly way possible (ie: not just gunning them down, but nail-bombing them) in order to instill fear.
You mean someone's trying to find out if there's intelligent life in the Middle East?
Of course there is! It's called "Haifa".
How do you spell "pwned" in Hebrew?
And I suppose you figure the Zionists are using the Piece of Eden to control people's minds too, eh?
Great, now I have to post Middle-East comments on here? God damn it, how much longer are people going to keep arguing about this?
If that's not the case, then why are there so many drivers who are incredibly stressed constantly throughout the day?
Because proper cities are built to make driving stressful enough that people will just walk or take public transportation.
Please don't believe the scaremongering and go into New York sometime. It's the safest city in America!
Yeah, right, parks upstate. We don't need parks upstate. We need people; this place has so few people that the economy scarcely exists.
Goodbye.
I'm still shocked that there weren't any stories about wall street traders getting assassinated.
Yeah, that's how we know we've done our jobs right.
-- The Assassins
You then go back up the mountain and are initiated into the Unixen, a secretive order renowned throughout the ages as the etymological root of the word "eunuchs" because they supposedly cut off initiate's penises and made them live in their parents' basements. These tales are, of course, lies spread by the Unixen's arch-foes, the Knights MCSE (pronouced "mucousey"), who desire to control all with DRM. In truth the Unixen only desire peace and freedom throughout the lands, that all men might one day arrive at the wisdom contained in the Unixen Creed: "Nothing proprietary is true. Everything, for root, is permitted."