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Ubuntu Kung Fu

Lorin Ricker writes "Back in the dark ages of windows-based GUIs, corresponding to my own wandering VMS evangelical days, I became enamored of a series of books jauntily entitled Xxx Annoyances (from O'Reilly & Assocs.), where "Xxx" could be anything from "Windows 95", "Word", "Excel" or nearly piece of software which Microsoft produced. These were, if not the first, certainly among the most successful of the "tips & tricks" books that have become popular and useful to scads of hobbyists, ordinary users, hackers and, yes, even professionals in various IT pursuits. I was attracted, even a bit addicted, to these if only because they offered to try to make some useful sense out of the bewildering design choices, deficiencies and bugs that I'd find rampant in Windows and its application repertory. Then I found Keir Thomas, who has been writing about Linux for more than a decade. His new "tips" book entitled, Ubuntu Kung Fu — Tips & Tools for Exploring Using, and Tuning Linux, and published by Pragmatic Bookshelf, is wonderful. Having only recently wandered into the light of Linux, open source software, and Ubuntu in particular, this book comes as a welcome infusion to my addiction." Read below for the rest of Lorin's review. Ubuntu Kung Fu author Keir Thomas pages 367 publisher Pragmatic Bookshelf rating 9 reviewer Lorin Ricker ISBN 1-934356-22-0 summary A very useful "tips and tricks" how-to book about Ubuntu Linux As a relatively young Linux distro, Ubuntu already sports a wealth of introductory and how-to books vying for the enthusiast's money — and I've already purchased a significant sampling of these which informs my opinion about the book here under review. And even for Ubuntu, the "tips & tricks" section of my own Linux bookshelf contains volumes which run from the encyclopedic to the practical — I'd even collected O'Reilly's Ubuntu Hacks (Oxer, Rankin & Childers) well before encountering Ubuntu Kung Fu.

How well does Keir Thomas's new book fare in this crowded field? Does he provide actual unique value to the Ubuntu community, useful knowledge which is otherwise unavailable or hard to find? In a nutshell (oops, sorry... that's a book series for another time!): Yes, he does. In fact, he hits the target pretty squarely.

Ubuntu Kung Fu is organized as only three chapters (with no preface material at all): "1 Introduction," including obligatory "How to Read This Book," "Acknowledgments" and "Sharing" sections; "2 An Ubuntu Administration Crash Course"; and, the largest chapter by far, "3 The Tips" themselves.

Though it concentrates on rather basic material, the second chapter on Ubuntu administration is actually one of the best subject primers I've encountered so far, and is written directly and to-the-point. There's the right focus and enough detail to help those users making the initial transition from Windows to Linux/Ubuntu, including coaching on users and passwords, file system structure (see sidebar "Drive Letters and Ubuntu"), and guidance regarding "Command Line or GUI?".

For example, after weeks of my own stumbling about in the vast sea of information and opinion known as the Ubuntu Forums, searching in vain for a concise explanation on the distinction between a "virtual console" and a regular old "X-windows terminal" — as an old VMS hacker, I'd had experience with such things — I found exactly the explanation I needed, including Ctrl/Alt/F-key controls, in this chapter. The author manages to underline the relevance of this even to the novice Ubuntu user as it applies to "What do I do if things go wrong?", without getting mired in unneeded exotica.

This chapter continues with the necessary skills in software installation and management, including Synaptic and APT, packages and repositories, doing a good job of giving the novice his or her bearings to get started. It concludes with a decent orientation on config files and the gconf-editor, making and keeping backups, and what to do if it does all go wrong.

"The Tips," the third chapter, constitutes 315 separate items, covering over 300 pages, the big majority of the book. Each tip is clearly titled as to its purpose, and has a small check-box in the margin beside the title so that the reader has a place to mark the tip as to personal relevance and priority.

I suppose that the best way to give you a sense of the value of these tips is to provide a summary of my own "usage statistics", derived from my own check-box marks. When I first surveyed the book to get my own bearings, I used a yellow highlighter pen to color in the check-box for tips that caught my eye and that I especially wanted to get back to... Later, as I read through the entire "Tips" chapter, I made a check in the box for each tip I intended to return to for installation or implementation on my own Ubuntu box, and where appropriate, when I actually did install or implement the tip, I made an installation note as to time and details. A good many of the tips are for information or how-to skill only, with nothing to install or implement other than enhancing the reader's own understanding.

Of the 315 tips, I counted 108 (34%) that I marked with yellow highlight; 16 (5%) that I checked for implementation, but have not yet done so for one reason or another; and 19 (6%) that I've implemented on my system. Considering that any "tips & tricks" book ends up becoming a grab-bag of items with a hit-or-miss appeal to any particular person, this is a very good personal return-on-investment. Yet this breakdown is rather arbitrary, as many of the tips are techniques to know and use, rather than configurations to manage or applications to install. In other words, your mileage may vary.

Mr. Thomas's grab-bag is typical in its variety and scope — there's likely something for everyone, both Ubuntu novice and expert, in this book. And, true to style for such volumes, the author notes this about his "big book of tips": "...that you can jump in anywhere." This goes to the heart of my only notable criticism of the book, one of organization. Unlike many "tips" books, where there's usually some attempt to organize the presentation of topical items into a somewhat obvious order, the editorial decision for UKF was to explicitly order the tips randomly — this was no accident, as the author makes explicit in a couple of his remarks.

Indeed, reading through the "Tips" chapter in page-order is no different than embarking on a thorough reading in random order — there simply is no rhyme-or-reason to the presentation of items. This is particularly frustrating because there are numerous instances of tips which are closely related by subject or purpose, and for which the reader would be well served by having them grouped on successive pages for ease of reference and purpose.

That this was an editorial decision is made clear by the fact that the Table of Contents is itself 10 pages long, listing every single tip in the book, and is then followed by a secondary, equally lengthy "Contents by Topic" which attempts to group the tips by general category, "Application Enhancements", "Command Line Tricks", "General Productivity Tips", etc. Furthermore, the editorial effort was made to cross-reference related tips in the text, under Tip 39, we find "...see Tip 173, on page 204, and Tip 228, on page 260," and so on. For all this cross-referencing and contents by topic effort, wouldn't it have been more effective to simply organize the tips in a semblance of relationship, commonality and order? After all, having done a "Contents by Topic", why not just go ahead and organize the book accordingly?

For some readers, the random shuffling of tips may not matter much, as so much of the information will be newly encountered and of subjectively individual value. And value there is aplenty in this book! I'll close by noting four items which were of particular interest and value to me, things for which I'd been previously searching for without luck, or which I didn't even know existed in the open source world of resources:

First, on the ubiquitous implementation of yet another Trashcan for file deletion in a File Manager (the Gnome Nautilus app, which is prevalently used on Ubuntu): GUI designers just can't get over the fact that "mere mortals" might actually delete files and not really mean it... hence, the Trashcan mechanism to protect them from their own silly actions.

This is actually a two-edged sword, and I'd been caught in the quandary of having intended to really delete some application files, which happen to have been root-owned, only to have them get snagged in my file system's Trashcan. The real quandary commenced when, using sudo, I tried to figure out how to delete them from the command line — but where in the heck is "the Trashcan"? I could see the files in Nautilus (where I couldn't conveniently use sudo-power to delete them), but following my own hunches as to where-in-the-file-system the Trashcan was actually stored turned up empty-handed.

UKF to the rescue — see Tips 39, 228 and 309 for everything you'd need to know about handling the Trashcan from the command line.

Secondly, I'd become quite fond of enhanced cut-&-paste (multiple) clipboard capabilities under Windows. Again, UKF to the rescue: Tip 306 let me know of an open source (KDE) clipboard enhancement known as Klipper (it's in the Ubuntu Repositories), which scratches this itch most satisfactorily.

Third, although Ubuntu provides basic, rudimentary tools (Gnome and KDE) for capturing screen shots, until I got to Tip 313, I didn't know that the GIMP could be used to augment and sophisticate screen shot capturing! And, of course, you can refine, edit and save your shots in any GIMP-available format directly. A great enhancement, if only to my working GIMP knowledge!

Lastly, like most folks, I've got a dark side, secrets which must be kept — things like account numbers, passwords, and other personal arcana which cannot, or should not, be kept in unencrypted form. Again, under Windows, I'd found an encryption technology known as TrueCrypt which I'd employed (and paid for) on that platform for a couple of years prior — and with my transition to Linux, I had mistakenly assumed that I had to abandon TrueCrypt as a Windows-only app.

Imagine my surprise and delight when I encountered Tip 145, which informed me that TrueCrypt includes an open source licensed release for Linux, including exactly where to go to install it and how best to use it! Bravo, and thank you, Mr. Thomas, for helping me resurrect an old and trusted friend!

In summary, it should be apparent that, in spite of my grumblings about the random tip presentation, I think that Keir Thomas's Ubuntu Kung Fu is a wonderful book — address the organization issues in a second edition, and I think it'd become an exemplar of its type. I recommend it highly to anyone who has become, or is becoming, an Ubuntu Linux user and enthusiast. It usefully helps bridge the gap between the Microsoft Windows experience and the not-so-different world of the Linux desktop. It provides ample practical help and knowledge to advance your productive use of Ubuntu Linux. This book takes a pride-of-place position right beside my copy of Ubuntu Hacks, where I can refer to it whenever I've a hankering to implement "that new thing" I remember having read about.

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253 comments

  1. Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can haz Linuxes?

    1. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Funny

      The logo is actually a ninja!! Can't you see it? The kiteh is only there for size approximations.

    2. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by dedazo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I understand there are actually seven ninjas in that picture.

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    3. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      No there aren't!
      It's a bottle and a picture of two people fucking!

    4. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Funny

      I understand there are actually seven ninjas in that picture.

      They understand the importance of not being seen.

      Unfortunately, it is obvious where they are hiding.

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    5. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by theturtlemoves · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mr. Ninja, will you stand UP, please?

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    6. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can only assume this means you have never heard of 4chan. You lucky sod.

    7. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by lastchance_000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfft. Ninjas don't exi

    8. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by tsalmark · · Score: 1

      Sadly I haznt points to give.

    9. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      I can only assume this means you have never heard of 2chan.

    10. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 0, Redundant

      As you will see, the ninja is behind the middle bush. **BOOM**

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    11. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      oh, I get it...a ninja killed you mid-post...then, leaving your sentence half-typed, hit preview...clicked in the little captcha text field off to the side...typed the captcha...and hit submit. Let's not kid ourselves, I'd be surprised if a ninja knew wha

    12. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they should have started by choosing a name that wasn't lame for the book

    13. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doing it a second time doesn't make it any more funny.
      It's still retarded.

    14. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Candlejack can do it then so can a Nin

    15. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I can haz Linuxes?

      Memez are in ur brainz, sappin ur intelligences.

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    16. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by TheThiefMaster · · Score: 1

      He was a logged in user, he doesn't need to enter a captcha. Just preview, submit.

    17. Re:Was the cover designed by someone at Fark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and you can get free help at

      http://kubuntuguide.org/ (Kubuntu Guide)

      and

      http://ubuntuguide.org/ (Ubuntu Guide)

      The spirit of Linux is largely free!

  2. I prefer ubuntu ninjitsu by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ubuntu CDs make fine shuriken. Debian CDs work well too. Haven't tried SUSE or Fedora though.

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    1. Re:I prefer ubuntu ninjitsu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They even provide their own dartboard ^..^ for practice.

    2. Re:I prefer ubuntu ninjitsu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear that not only do SUSE CD's work but if you throw one at Steve Ballmer he will pass up the cerimonial "throwing of the chair" as retaliation.

    3. Re:I prefer ubuntu ninjitsu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do believe the movie you're referring to starred James Boned going mono-a-mono with Handjob.

    4. Re:I prefer ubuntu ninjitsu by Pope · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fedora CDs can only be wielded by Oddjob!

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  3. lol wut by mfh · · Score: 5, Funny

    where "Xxx" could be anything from "Windows 95", "Word", "Excel"

    Oh the annoyances of xxx film. Why can't they make it look like people are REALLY HAVING FUN?

    And the MUSIC! It's terrible.

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    1. Re:lol wut by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      wut? I like it!

      Chicka-chicka-bow-wow, chicka-chicka bonk bonk....

    2. Re:lol wut by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Still better than a Spice Girls album, tho.

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    3. Re:lol wut by Ed_Pinkley · · Score: 1

      What are the sexiest animals on the farm?

      Brown-chicken,brown-cow!

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  4. XXX Annoyances? by Shadow7789 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I happen to love Vin Diesel.

  5. Re:Addictive Personality Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First Post !

    Ahaha, nice try!

  6. Now we know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What God does with all those kittens.

    1. Re:Now we know... by aliquis · · Score: 4, Funny

      kill -9?

    2. Re:Now we know... by mcgrew · · Score: 1, Funny

      Kittens are for huffing. The orange one fuck you up real good. As the article says, "every time you edit uncyclopedia, God huffs a kitten". What it doesn't say is that every time you improve a piece of FOSS, God huffs a kitten too. And every time you (ok not YOU) have sex He huffs a kitten.

      Actualy He doesn't even need an excuse, he's the universe's biggest fluffhead.

  7. Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Install a better distro!

    1. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately Gentoo is not for mere mortals. Better stick with Ubuntu.

    2. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by blhack · · Score: 1, Interesting

      About a year ago I switched from gentoo to OpenBSD on the servers here at work (postfix/spamassassin/courier-imap etc, snort, openvpn, apache/mysql, vsftpd) and haven't looked back since.

      I know this is considered /. heresy, but I really believe that windows is the best OS for the desktop. I've run gentoo, suse, mandrake, redhat, centos, federoa, ubuntu, and I'm sure a few others over the years and none of them have even come CLOSE to the usability of windows.

      I have a feeling that I'm not the minority here, either. I runx Xming on my desktop at work and use putty's X11 forwarding to view things like etherape (wish they would write a client for windwos..that is a really neat piece of software) when I need X, and use putty for everything else.
      As long as your head is firmly rammed up your ass you should be fine doing the same. Run firefox with noscript. Keep the install light and enjoy being able to install things like the latest version of flash the day that they come out.
      OpenBSD for [most] of the servers, gentoo for the rest, and windows on the desktop.

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    3. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UbuntuDupe? Is that you? Still stupid, huh?

    4. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by sir+fer · · Score: 0

      Debian is suspiciously absent from that list...I have windows and Debian and currently there is nothing I can do in windows that I cannot do in Debian but, of course, YMMV as I don't really do anything 'mission critical' with my own computers.

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    5. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by tobiasly · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've run gentoo, suse, mandrake, redhat, centos, federoa, ubuntu, and I'm sure a few others over the years and none of them have even come CLOSE to the usability of windows.

      I have a feeling that I'm not the minority here, either. I runx Xming on my desktop at work and use putty's X11 forwarding to view things like etherape (wish they would write a client for windwos..that is a really neat piece of software) when I need X, and use putty for everything else.

      I won't get into the usability of Windows vs. Ubuntu or others; I find Ubuntu much more usable than Windows but I guess it comes down to personal preference (plus a lot of people falsely equate "usability" with "what I'm used to"). But it's kinda ironic that you then immediately bemoan the lack of one of a Windows version of one of your favorite open source tools.

      One of the reasons I prefer Linux for the desktop is precisely that: Windows will never have the quantity and quality of open source software available for it that Linux does. Sure, there are some great open source tools for Windows (like TortoiseSVN) but writing FOSS for a proprietary platform just feels wrong to a lot of open source developers/contributors (myself included).

      Oh, and you really should Pascal-case "EtherApe". When I first read that I figured etherape was some type of add-on to BackOrifice. Kinda like what happened to ExpertsExchange.com when people didn't capitalize it correctly (and thus later became experts-exchange.com)

    6. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by mollymoo · · Score: 0

      I know this is considered /. heresy, but I really believe that windows is the best OS for the desktop. I've run gentoo, suse, mandrake, redhat, centos, federoa, ubuntu, and I'm sure a few others over the years and none of them have even come CLOSE to the usability of windows.

      Ubuntu is way better than the others I've tried as a desktop OS, but I agree it has a way to go till it matches Windows. In fact I'm not sure it ever can, there are just too many cats to herd. But, uh, why haven't you tried OS X? It makes every other OS I've tried look clumsy, annoying and intrusive. It's not perfect, but I've never had any other OS which let me spend a higher proportion of my time getting stuff done.

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    7. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously haven't used OSX - a much better OS for the desktop :)

    8. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as your head is firmly rammed up your ass you should be fine doing the same.

      Uh...

    9. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      Oh, and you really should Pascal-case "EtherApe". When I first read that I figured etherape was some type of add-on to BackOrifice.

      www.TheRapistFinder.com

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    10. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I switched from gentoo to OpenBSD

      You had me up until that statement.

    11. Re:Ultimate ubuntu kung fu move by blhack · · Score: 1

      But, uh, why haven't you tried OS X?

      Maybe I'm part gypsy or something, but just about all of my desktops are the scrounged-parts-together variety. If apple would sell me a copy of OSX and let me run it on my own hardware, I would.

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  8. Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

    First you get your cocky ass kicked by some Windows fanboi.

    Then you go up onto the mountain to train with a bearded Unix guru. He forces you through a brutal training regimen with obscure CLI utilities, each with its own brain-flayingly inconsistent command line switches.

    When you can debug, at a glance, Perl scripts that look like core dumps, you come down from the mountain and beat the crap out of the Windows guy with your esoteric skilz.

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    1. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by hey! · · Score: 1

      I forgot to add: in a bamboo grove.

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    2. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by NineNine · · Score: 5, Funny

      By the time you come down the mountain, you're in your 30's, living with your parents, grossly overweight, and have less of a social life than the kitten on the cover of the book. Sure, you know Ubuntu kung-fu, but at what price?

    3. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by mhall119 · · Score: 4, Funny

      When you can debug, at a glance, Perl scripts that look like core dumps, you come down from the mountain and beat the crap out of the Windows guy with your esoteric skilz.

      Everybody stand back! I know regular expressions.

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    4. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by FeepingCreature · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure, you know Ubuntu kung-fu, but at what price?

      $34.95 or $43.75 with the PDF.
      ...
      What?

    5. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      HAHAHA! Your regular expressions are very good. But can you handle my LALR(1) grammar!

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    6. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everybody stand back! I know regular expressions.

      A link to xkcd would have been most appropriate there, and would have gained you a +5 funny.

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    7. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you can debug, at a glance, Perl scripts that look like core dumps, you come down from the mountain and beat the crap out of the Windows guy with your esoteric skilz.

      How do you beat the crap out of someone with programming skills? I would imagine the Windows guy would win yet again, since he's probably spending his time on things other than debugging (lifting weights, for example).

    8. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by Beat+The+Odds · · Score: 2, Funny
      Perl scripts that look like core dumps

      Isn't that redundant?

    9. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 2, Funny

      You then go back up the mountain and are initiated into the Unixen, a secretive order renowned throughout the ages as the etymological root of the word "eunuchs" because they supposedly cut off initiate's penises and made them live in their parents' basements. These tales are, of course, lies spread by the Unixen's arch-foes, the Knights MCSE (pronouced "mucousey"), who desire to control all with DRM. In truth the Unixen only desire peace and freedom throughout the lands, that all men might one day arrive at the wisdom contained in the Unixen Creed: "Nothing proprietary is true. Everything, for root, is permitted."

    10. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by fprintf · · Score: 5, Funny

      And I was sitting here with 15 moderator points, thinking "should I throw him a bone for offering the obligatory XKCD, but in an incomplete fashion", or "should I reward you for giving the link and completing the joke", or even "should I mod you down for being a karma whore". In the end I decided to let my mod points vanish into oblivion due to my indecisiveness over my quandry. I feel better now.

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    11. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Probably. Kids these days just won't believe you when you tell them that regular expressions used to be restricted to sequence, alternation and Kleene star.

    12. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by mhall119 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not an inside joke if you explain it to everyone. Cool doesn't need +5 Funny.

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    13. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by Ironica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Strangely, your post reads like an xkcd strip.

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    14. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by AmaDaden · · Score: 1
    15. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Sure, you know Ubuntu kung-fu, but at what price?

      $34.95 or $43.75 with the PDF.


      Or, you can go to isohunt.com ...

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    16. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Wait, how is xkcd an "inside joke"? There must be many hundreds of thousands of readers.

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    17. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 1

      $34.95 or $43.75 with the PDF.

      Mastering the wuxi finger grep: Priceless.

      There is no charge for awesomeness...

    18. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well obviously it is, since people are complaining that I didn't explain the joke.

    19. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. Humor just escapes some people.

    20. Re:Nah, everybody knows how this one goes. by Abreu · · Score: 1

      There is no charge for awesomeness...

      ...or attractiveness

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  9. So much for free! by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems silly to pay for a how-to book for a free operating system. I wonder if there's an online "Linux Documentation for the Masses" type of thing. Linux documentation online, at least from what I have seen, tends to be geared not so much for the same audience that books tend to be, unfortunately.

    1. Re:So much for free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Among the many places for Linux Documentation (which can be googled for), yolinux.com and ubuntuguide.org come to mind. Haven't been there in ages, though, since the ol' Kubuntu has been tuned to my liking and does what I need it to.

    2. Re:So much for free! by pizzach · · Score: 4, Informative

      I peeked at it by chance in a bookstore and it actually looked pretty good. It's the kind of book that makes you notice something you didn't before and go, "that's pretty cool." As long as the books are genuinely well written, they will always be around as long as they are up to date.

      A good example of an everlasting book is "The C Programming Language" by Brian W Kernighan and Dennis M Ritchie. It's a book that was written 20-30 years ago. It was sitting right there on the shelf right next to "Ubuntu Kung Fu", and likely will long outlive "Ubuntu Kung Fu" once it is gone. It doesn't matter how many C tutorials are put up on the web, "The C Programming Language" is still a damn useful book worth paying for.

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    3. Re:So much for free! by moderatorrater · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've always had great success with the forums. If I google search for what I'm trying to use with the word "Ubuntu" it usually comes back with a quick tutorial which is usually in the form of "open a shell and run the following commands:", which I'm okay with. I've never encountered a site that maliciously led me astray with the instructions and 9/10 are correct. If I were a novice, it would give me exactly what I was looking for. Since I'm somewhat intermediate, it gives me a good place to start from, the package names that I need to download, and a quick primer on the configuration options. In other words, I'm a big fan.

    4. Re:So much for free! by CannonballHead · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I've had great success as well. Usually one can find the problems. But the true novice (I was in a college course with them... I took it for an easy A and for some of the more advanced stuff, but it started with how to install Linux...) is going to be doing these weird random console commands and has NO clue what he's doing. And of course, it doesn't always work, there will be something slightly different that makes one of the commands not verbatim, user has no idea, it doesn't work, now what?

      My main point, as I just posted to the AC above, is this. In order for Linux to be actually "user friendly" and "replace Windows," most people aren't going to want to have to learn the inner workings of how Linux works so they are able to do a variety of commands in the console to, say, install a printer. In Windows, you plug it in, and it works. Or, you put in the CD, install the drivers, and it works. On Linux, sometimes you have to do some really weird things to get this or that printer to work. Even package management can be a real pain, with this or that dependency missing. What's a dependency? Why doesn't it install? Why is this so confusing, why can't they just make it so I download something and install it and it works, like on Windows?

      If you haven't heard those last few questions, then the novices you speak of aren't really "novices," at least in my terminology. :)

      Anyways. Point is that the documentation for those that know enough to use it (even if "documentation" equals "google") is pretty good. But having to BUY "documentation" (e.g., a book) because you have no clue about this whole Linux thing, you just got tired of having Windows crash with spyware, adware, and viruses... I don't know. IMO, that documentation is pretty bad if you don't know enough to barely know what to look for.. :)

      Then again, I guess paying $100-$150 for Windows to have it "just work" is basically paying for the documentation, just you don't have to read it ;)

    5. Re:So much for free! by eball · · Score: 1, Troll

      Let's not forget the famous linux axiom: "Linux is only free if your time is worthless."

    6. Re:So much for free! by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Except that that is not a self-evident truth, because some people learn Linux and get paid for it (my job includes AIX, HP-UX, Linux, and Solaris, so I technically get "paid" in part to learn those systems). Linux, for me, IS free, but my time is NOT worthless. So, I disagree with your 'axiom' (self-evident truth...)

      And for the record, I love using Linux and enjoy my job. I'm also interested in being critical of Linux and going against the Slashdot flow (even if it's considered "trolling" to say anything "against" Linux...)

    7. Re:So much for free! by eball · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, if you're learning Linux at work, that would be your company's time being wasted. No matter what OS, one would assume that your work computer is free to you. So, instead of paying a licensing fee for Windows, your company is paying your wage while you learn Linux on the clock. Oh, also... it's a joke.

    8. Re:So much for free! by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Whoosh to me, then... didn't see the joke. :)

    9. Re:So much for free! by Ironica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In Windows, you plug it in, and it works. Or, you put in the CD, install the drivers, and it works. On Linux, sometimes you have to do some really weird things to get this or that printer to work. Even package management can be a real pain, with this or that dependency missing. What's a dependency? Why doesn't it install? Why is this so confusing, why can't they just make it so I download something and install it and it works, like on Windows?

      On *Windows* sometimes you have to do some really weird things to make things work. And sometimes it never does. When I was working in IT for a small business unit of Turner Broadcasting during the AOL/TW merger, we got the word we we had to install AOL on all of our computers. This was version 6, so it supported broadband, but just barely.

      Even though all our machines were running the same OS (Windows 2000), all standard Dell hardware, etc., there were a few that just didn't want to run AOL. We had one laptop where AOL would only work if you uninstalled the network card driver, and the network card driver would only install if you uninstalled AOL. After two HOURS of troubleshooting this with the special internal Help Desk AOL set up just for this rollout, the tech on the other end said, "Well, it should work." That sentence became an inside joke.

      Practically every time I set up a Windows machine, I have to Google for how to get this or that to work right. Because there's a larger install base, there's also more people who have run up against the same problem, and it's easier to find. That doesn't mean that Windows "just works" though.

      But having to BUY "documentation" (e.g., a book) because you have no clue about this whole Linux thing, you just got tired of having Windows crash with spyware, adware, and viruses... I don't know.

      Hmmmm... I wonder if any of the 432 books Amazon sells about Windows XP (yes, just XP) tell you how to get rid of spyware, adware, and viruses under Windows?

      I'm a Linux novice. Yes, I'm pretty tech-savvy, but I don't use the terminal without my husband telling me exactly what to type. ;-) Ubuntu "just worked" for me, pretty much like Windows. Installing was easy. My printer was EASIER to install (in Windows, I have to do a whole dance with inserting the CD and running the application that installs a bunch of crap I don't want along with the driver and *then* connect the printer to the computer yadda yadda). Yes, there's stuff that works better in Windows than in Linux, but Ubuntu is pretty darned close to "just working".

      I see nothing weird about having books that tell you how to get more out of a piece of software. Heck, there's a book about how to do more stuff with my Kindle, and for things that "just work" I really can't think of a better example than that little white slab. I think your criticism is misapplied.

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    10. Re:So much for free! by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are two easy ways to get hardware working on linux

      • Buy supported stuff in the first place, takes about 5 minutes of 'research' on google.
      • Buy cheap unsupported crap, stick it on top of the wardrobe, wait six months then plug it in - voila, works perfectly. As soon as you do this, buy another cheapo $DEVICE to fill the empty space on the wardrobe - usually the first one will go tits up just as drivers are out for the second.
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    11. Re:So much for free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why ? The system may be free, but it take time and money to make a book; and some people prefer to get a well-done book instead of sorting a lot of (sometime) messy google results.
      Some people even pay just for linux technical support.

    12. Re:So much for free! by CannonballHead · · Score: 1, Troll

      This assumes you are PLANNING on Linux before you buy your computer. Obviously, then, you know enough that you're going to use Linux. You may as well buy a pre-fab desktop with Linux on it, or build it yourself and just get it to work if you're knowledgeable enough. I'm not talking about that class of users :)

    13. Re:So much for free! by Belial6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, since you can buy books on millions of free things ranging from American Freedom to Zen. Why not have books on a fee operating system.

    14. Re:So much for free! by Myrddin+Wyllt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I know - my post was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. I've only been using linux about 3 years myself, but have never really suffered the 'hardware hell' problems so many seem to.

      The one occasion was when I needed hard copy for something, so bought a ridiculously cheap Epson D78. Couldn't get the bugger to work on Slack 10.2 (or 11; can't remember now). Spent a good few hours on it including a bit of '.configure/make/make install' malarkey with no luck, so slung it on top of the aforementioned wardrobe and blagged a C44 from a mate.

      My nephew came round this morning wanting something printing out, but the C44 was out of ink. I plugged the D78 in (ubuntu 8.10) and it worked straight away - none of that 'Found new Hardware' crap, just appeared in the list of available printers and off she went. I had a quick browse of /. while the stuff was printing and the experience seemed relevant to the discussion (at least it did at the time).

      Incidentally, my nephew had to come round because his printer (Lexmark all-in-one thingy) 'wasn't working'. His dad belongs to that 'class of users' you were talking about; when he bought the printer it wouldn't work (required XP, he was still on W98 - 'Why didn't they tell me that in the shop'). The current problem is probably trivial, but it won't get fixed till I go round there. Point being, the 'class of user' you are talking about will have problems with Windows stuff just as much as linux stuff.

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    15. Re:So much for free! by dangitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In Windows, you plug it in, and it works. Or, you put in the CD, install the drivers, and it works.

      Are you sure it was Windows you were using? That doesn't sound like a typical experience.

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    16. Re:So much for free! by creationer · · Score: 1

      I have to agree here. I have an aged thinkpad with a netgear wireless card that I've installed several different os's on including windows 98, 2000 and xp and suse and ubuntu linux. By far the easiest was ubuntu. It was the only os that installed working drivers for the wireless card without any intervention. I could probably be considered a windows fanboy (I am one of the few that actually LIKES Vista. not everything but a lot about it). I will probably not be an all the time Linux user ever but I think it's fantastic for older hardware or for people that don't know how to maintain a secure and well-oiled windows machine (jump all over that one).

    17. Re:So much for free! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

      My printer was EASIER to install

      When I most recently needed to add a network printer at the office, I went into KDE's printer control panel, clicked New -> Printer, picked the right one from the list of printers it found on our LAN, clicked Next a few times, and printed a test page. I think Linux pretty much has this problem solved.

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    18. Re:So much for free! by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      My general consumer philosophy is to specifically avoid the cheapest
      available option. Don't get the absolute dreck. At least bother to
      get one step up from total dreck. This will usually hold up a lot
      better and in the case of Linux probably be supported.

      There is this pervasive anti-intellectual approach to computers that
      seems to prevent consumers from being thoughtful about it.

      Then again, consumers manage to keep GM alive.

      Printers are a great example of this "avoid the dreck" principle.
      The really cheap ones are more expensive to operate. You end up
      spending more money on consumables in the end. They probably
      break down more too (dunno about that part really though).

      Printers can last you for several generations of PC so it's
      really rather absurd to be excessively cheap (or thoughtless)
      about them.

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    19. Re:So much for free! by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      I don't know why you got modded troll. I think you're wrong, but I don't see it as a troll.

      But the true novice (I was in a college course with them... I took it for an easy A and for some of the more advanced stuff, but it started with how to install Linux...) is going to be doing these weird random console commands and has NO clue what he's doing.

      I can totally see where you're coming from with this, but what's the solution? I myself, when I was a green n00b, really liked it when I would get console help that included brief descriptions of what each command did. But that's me, and a lot of people are simply going to be further intimidated by that. I don't see an easy answer.

      install a printer. In Windows, you plug it in, and it works. Or, you put in the CD, install the drivers, and it works. On Linux, sometimes you have to do some really weird things to get this or that printer to work.

      Let's look at this another way.

      Linux: Plug the printer in. 95% of the time it will work. The other 5% of the time you may need some bash-fu. But then it'll work.

      Windows: Plug the printer in. 50% of the time it will work. 40% of the time you will put in the CD and it will work. The other 10% of the time... well, you're fucked.

      I know which one of those I like better.

      Even package management can be a real pain, with this or that dependency missing. What's a dependency? Why doesn't it install? Why is this so confusing, why can't they just make it so I download something and install it and it works, like on Windows?

      Here you lose me. Since I started using Ubuntu (in '04 or so, pretty early on), I have never never NEVER had this happen to me with the Ubuntu repositories. I have had it happen on occasion when pulling from non-standard repos, but I think that's a whole different ballgame and if you're advanced enough to get to that spot in the first place, you're advanced enough to deal with it. But my main point here is that I've never seen it happen with the main Ubuntu repositories. Never. Installing, maintaining, and removing software on a Debian-based system is so much easier than on Windows that it's not even a fair comparison. Full stop.

      Anyways. Point is that the documentation for those that know enough to use it (even if "documentation" equals "google") is pretty good. But having to BUY "documentation" (e.g., a book) because you have no clue about this whole Linux thing, you just got tired of having Windows crash with spyware, adware, and viruses... I don't know. IMO, that documentation is pretty bad if you don't know enough to barely know what to look for.. :)

      Then again, I guess paying $100-$150 for Windows to have it "just work" is basically paying for the documentation, just you don't have to read it ;)

      Okay, this is kind of trollish and I'm not going to reply to it.

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    20. Re:So much for free! by Risen888 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What horseshit. You learn something about Linux, and that knowledge is universally useful for the rest of your life. You "learn" something about the buttons to push in Windows, and that is wasted time. You actually come out dumber.

      Windows: It's not free even if your time is worthless.

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  10. Addiction huh. by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, the support group meets here every wednesday night at 6pm. We have some papers and self-help books by a guy named Richard, who's one of the regulars here. We call him The Reverand here because if you mention "Windows" around him, he goes off about the rapture. The meeting lasts for about two hours, then there's a break and a half hour social after. We need to be out of here by 9pm though, because that's when the Macintosh support group comes in. And let me tell you, you don't want to be here when they start filing in. Most of them are court ordered, you know?

    Anyway, help yourself to a cookie and some coffee... I'll be around if you have any questions about your new addiction.

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  11. Simple shit you didn't know existed by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sounds trite, but there's a dearth of documentation for those of us who know Windows (and, probably more specifically, *-DOS and other CLIs) who can get thoroughly lost in Linux GUIs simply because we lack the fundamentals taught in a 7th grade linux programming class (which probably doesn't exist like the ones we took back in the 70s, when GUIs effectively didn't exist for the home user). I'm convinced linux isn't hard, though I've tried and abandoned it two or three times now for failure to run "required" apps that are windows only, or because the care and feeding is beyond my ability. In that time, though, I've found an inverse bell curve of documentation. Exploring GUI widgets is commonplace in tutorials; discussing minutiae is easily found on forums. Getting a really good walk through of the basics (directory structure, startup options/scripts - where they are and how to use them, etc.) is hard to find.

    As for the cover...well, at least my 6 year old daughter would approve.

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    1. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting a really good walk through of the basics (directory structure, startup options/scripts - where they are and how to use them, etc.) is hard to find.

      In my (admittedly not very deep) experience, part of the problem is that different distros sometimes very slightly, some people do things different ways, and sometimes there isn't even a set agreed-upon way of handling a specific issue, but rather everyone seems to do it a little differently.

      Take something simple, let setting up an FTP server. Now setting up and FTP server really isn't a difficult thing to do, but there might be a lot of minor disagreement on how to do it. You can find tons of various tutorials on how to set an FTP server up on different Linux distros using different packages, and each one will give you slightly different instructions depending on what the author feels is a "best practice".

      If nothing else, it's just easier to give people a quick run-through when you have a single vendor giving you a set package with limited options. Even when you have a set Linux distribution, there are so many things that you can customize and change, and it all depends on exactly what you want to do. The best thing is probably to jump right in, but do it when you have time to research solutions to any problems you encounter. There's tons of information and even lots of people in various places who will want to help you, but it'll be hard to find a good walk-through. (unless this book is it (I haven't read this book))

    2. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Hatta · · Score: 2, Informative

      You probably want something like the System Administrator Guide. Back in the day I just picked up the fattest RedHat book I could find, and actually read through it cover to cover. Don't think I ever actually ran RedHat, but it covered all the basics applicable to any distro.

      Mostly, the information you want is in the man pages. 'man man' and 'man hier' to start.

      I'm convinced linux isn't hard, though I've tried and abandoned it two or three times now for failure to run "required" apps that are windows only, or because the care and feeding is beyond my ability.

      It's not hard in general, but if you have specific requirements it may not be able to meet them. For instance, my GF was quite capable of running Ubuntu and doing just about all her work and fun on it. Unfortunately, she requires Macromedia Freehand which doesn't work acceptably under Wine. Once you have your workflow down however, the "care and feeding" of a Linux install is much less than that of a Windows install.

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    3. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by geeper · · Score: 0

      I was kind of in the same boat as you but over the holidays last week I finally moved over completely to Ubuntu. I set up a VirtualBox XP install for the windows apps and I'm a happy camper. It was extremely simple. [cliche]It makes using the PC fun again.[/cliche]

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    4. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by tsalaroth · · Score: 1

      For instance, my GF was quite capable of running Ubuntu and doing just about all her work and fun on it. Unfortunately, she requires Macromedia Freehand which doesn't work acceptably under Wine.

      A little off-topic but, has your GF tried CrossOver Professional? All of Adobe CS2 works fine for me on Ubuntu. However, I don't believe that includes FreeHand, as I believe that was dropped for Illustrator when Adobe took over.

    5. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by fprintf · · Score: 1

      Everything you want to know about Ubuntu is thoroughly covered by a Google search. Invariably the Ubuntu forums comes up, since it seems that any question that ever existed has been asked before... and gets asked repeatedly there anyway! Seriously, I had been away from Linux for a few years and after installing Ubuntu in 2007 I have learned just about anything needed.

      The thing is, I cannot fathom what is really necessary in a hard-copy book for administering a typical user box. Right off the download page, it is locked down well enough (easy there BSD guys), contains most of the software needed for getting started, and any applications are a Google search for recommendations & Synaptic/apt-get step away. It couldn't be easier!

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    6. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Hatta · · Score: 1

      No, we haven't. I was going to try Crossover when they had the free giveaway a while back, but I missed my chance. I'm not really hopeful though, since Freehand was dropped so long ago. What she really needs to do is suck it up and learn a modern program, all that Freehand experience on her resume is getting less and less valuable.

      But Freehand was tantalizingly close to working well. It's really just the font chooser, and selecting multiple objects that were borked.

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    7. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Mostly, the information you want is in the man pages. 'man man' and 'man hier' to start.

      cd /usr/bin
      ls | xargs -n1 man

      Very educational. :) Actually, this is more or less what I did back in 1987 first time I was given an account on a Unix-based machine in college. I didn't understand a lot of it, but I learned a lot. Of course I was coming from a DOS/CLI background, I just needed to know the actual commands, not grok the basic concepts. Or so I thought. As students of Rumsfeldian epistemology would say, I was reading the man pages because of my known unknowns but I had a lot of unknown unknowns that took longer to grasp. The Tao of Unix is not immediately apparent to the uninitiated.

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    8. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I did that with an O'reilly Redhat book. Didn't really help much. It told you how to set up various parts of the system, mostly from the GUI, and how to use the various GUI apps, but not what they did. Man pages don't help at all, really. Oh, sure, they tell you what the command syntax is, and some of them are very good (which implies...), but if you don't know what command you need to run your stuck (dir? catalog? oh, ls...that was my next guess!).

      I think most of what I've picked up of use came from hacking around in my old DTivo. I'm still not 100% certain of where/what all the startup files are, but the need to knwo what started when, and where the specific drivers are was helpful. Windows has fucked up everything with the registry (and the zillion different places to hide stuff), but knowing where and how to deal with the old win.ini, autoexec.bat, and config.sys files, and putting programs in /programs, temporary files in /temp (or /temp/system), user data in /files (fuck MS and the "My" prefix, btw), system files in Windows (and fonts in /windows/fonts...etc) allows an understanding of how the system is organized and where to look when things don't act like they should.

      My issue with most books is that they either don't have the patience for these fundamentals, or they're geared at power administrators and delve so deep into the functions that the overall structure gets lost in the details.

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    9. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      It's much better now. 4 years ago (last major foray) there was a lot less content, and 8 years ago (initial foray) there was precious little.

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    10. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of this helps if you need to fix broken networking.

    11. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by lahvak · · Score: 1

      but if you don't know what command you need to run your stuck (dir? catalog? oh, ls...that was my next guess!).

      man -k "list directory"

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    12. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by tobiasly · · Score: 3, Interesting

      'man man' and 'man hier' to start.

      Damn... I've been running Linux first as a server then eventually as my primary desktop since Red Hat 4 (no, not RHEL, I mean what Red Hat was before Fedora existed) and I've never seen any previous mention of "man hier". That one would have come in useful a time or two!

      GP, I guess it must be a difference in learning styles... like I said, though I ran Linux server(s) for years, I just this past year switched from Windows to Ubuntu on the desktop, and though the learning curve was indeed rather steep, making the decision to jump in the deep end and go whole hog helped force me to learn. Kinda like how I learned how to drive a manual transmission by buying one :)

      As far as "care and feeding"... I am continually blown away by how awesome APT and Synaptic are in Ubuntu. You can do things like switch your entire window system from Gnome to KDE and back again, upgrade software while it's running, fix broken installs, etc. all from a single interface. Third-party vendors often provide their own repositories that automatically tie in, resolve dependencies, and let you know when updates are available, again from the same interface. And you aren't forced to run system update as an ActiveX control through a crappy browser :)

      And those "required" Windows apps I thought I needed? I don't miss them at all. I've either found open equivalents or realized I just didn't really need them as much as I thought I did.

    13. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For instance, my GF was quite capable of running Ubuntu and doing just about all her work and fun on it

      Well here's a first. "My GF runs Linux" is not something I'd be so upfront about.

    14. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by anagama · · Score: 1

      Another option for bookish people is "Unix in Plain English". My copy is a bit dated being from 1994, but it looks like there is second edition. It has a nice table of "If you want to _______, Use the UNIX command:____". It also has a DOS/UNIX equivalency table which used to be quite handy for me, till I forgot all the DOS stuff. It also has a sort of abbreviated man page for many commands with the thing most lacking about most man pages: examples.

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    15. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      My wife runs Linux at home because her machine got infested with malware and she lost the OEM install disks.

      At home she doesn't miss Windows yet...

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    16. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by happy_place · · Score: 1

      Well, the first problem is the assumption that power users of Linux even bother with the GUI. --Ray

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    17. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Laurence0 · · Score: 1

      I've noticed the down side of finding stuff on the forums is that it's frequently several versions of Ubuntu out of date. The required steps to make something work on Edgy are unlikely to be applicable to Intrepid (often the things have been fixed and just work, but other times, people have been trying for a while). However, this can generally be solved by adding the version you're looking for help with in the search ("network manager Intrepid" instead of just "network manager ubuntu"), however sometimes this isn't a perfect solution.

      I think the system the forums have now with "thanking" people for posts is a very good idea, however it needs to be taken a lot further, perhaps to the extent Slashdot discussions have... By default, a thread should show the first post and all the thanked posts (or the n most thanked posts if there are a lot of them), and of course, a "show all posts" button.

      In an ideal world, the best posts would be copied from the forums to a knowledge bank and there would be links everywhere, and it would be the first hit for searches on Google, but I'm aware that's some way off!

    18. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      'man hier'

      You know, although I'm familiar with most of the material already, I did not know that man page was there. Thanks!

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    19. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by Hatta · · Score: 1

      For my GF it was WGA that did it. A motherboard died, I replaced it for her, and WGA wouldn't activate. They wouldn't activate her over the phone either. So Linux it was. She liked it quite a bit, but couldn't do without Freehand.

      She figures, since Microsoft literally stole her legit copy of windows, she might as well "steal" it back. I'm fine with that, I don't care what she runs. It gets me out of tech support too, because if something goes wrong in Windows, chances are I really have no idea how to fix it.

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    20. Re:Simple shit you didn't know existed by 0x7E7 · · Score: 1

      After much searching long ago, I found this site:

      http://linuxcommand.org/

      It will take you from the basics of filesystem navigation all the way to writing your own shell scripts. As a plus, it's written by a guy who actually knows how to write for human beings (rare, ain't it? :-)). I don't know if it's got everything you mentioned, but I thought it rather nice.

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  12. I also give the book a 9...I own it by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been using Ubuntu since 4.??, pretty much day in and day out for work, and this book was worth the purchase. The other Ubuntu books at the bookstore seemed like conversions of normal Linux books, whereas this one was thick and specifically aimed at Ubuntu users. Hope to see more like this in the future, specifically books aimed at helping graphic design-types become more productive ;-)

    1. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using Ubuntu since 4.??, pretty much day in and day out for work, and this book was worth the purchase. The other Ubuntu books at the bookstore seemed like conversions of normal Linux books, whereas this one was thick and specifically aimed at Ubuntu users. Hope to see more like this in the future, specifically books aimed at helping graphic design-types become more productive ;-)

      Small words, lots of pictures?

    2. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try:

      sudo -i

      It is better than su because you only need to remember one password :)

    3. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by msormune · · Score: 2, Funny

      this one was thick and specifically aimed at Ubuntu users

      So it's safe to say it really hit the spot and left a mark, then? :)

    4. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've been using Ubuntu since 4.??, pretty much day in and day out for work

      You may be a precocious little scamp, but aren't you violating child labor laws?

    5. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by ThePhilips · · Score: 1

      I've never had a problem that ubuntuforums.org didn't have the answer to.

      To ask a question is also a skill which requires some knowledge. Or how old saying goes "a good question contains half of the response."

      I haven't read the particular book, yet generally such books a great starting point - a stepping stone which helps to start asking questions.

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    6. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by spandex_panda · · Score: 1

      I've never had a problem that ubuntuforums.org didn't have the answer to. You have to love it when something you use just has great resources.

      I have...I love Ubuntuforums.org as a resource, but when it doesn't answer your question it can be hard to get a new solution. I specifically have had problems with 1) my camera, gphoto2 doesn't grab its photos any more...it used to. 2)nvidia/ati graphics periodically...gladly all resolved with new xorg/nvidia drivers or xrandr. 3)bloody wifi! I have a belkin rt73 usb which is good, use serialmonkey's drivers and its fine except when those drivers don't compile for the kernel...So I bought a linksys usb and it has the same bloody rt73 chipset!!!

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    7. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by bcrowell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've never had a problem that ubuntuforums.org didn't have the answer to.

      Yep. I have "Ubuntu Linux Bible" by von Hagen sitting on the bookshelf right next to my desk. I've never opened it. Maybe it's a fine book, but ubuntuforums is such a good resource that I've never reached for the book. One problem with printed books is that they get out of date fast. My biggest hassles with ubuntu have always been with things that were changing rapidly. E.g., for a while with Hardy I couldn't get java applets to work on my x64 box. The von Hagen book was published long before the problem started occurring, and the problem no longer occurs on Intrepid, so there was no way a printed book was ever going to provide useful info on it. Ubuntuforums also does better at stuff that's out in the long tails. E.g., I had a lot of hassles trying to get Amazon.com's mp3 selling service to work right, and once I finally figured it out I posted a howto on ubuntuforms. This is the kind of thing that not enough people care about to justify putting it in a printed book.

    8. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using Ubuntu since 4.??

      It was called woody back then :)

    9. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by onefriedrice · · Score: 1

      I've rarely (or maybe never) found ubuntuforums.org very useful for anything. The really useful linux answers (found by Google) are usually on Gentoo or Fedora forums (mostly Gentoo). Usually when I follow a ubuntuforums link, my question is posed, but no answers. I think those who frequent that forum are generally less knowledgable than those on other forums...

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    10. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by lamapper · · Score: 1

      Great post....see what I included below about the superior H.264 FREE CODEC, 1000 fps HD video camera and alternatives to both Microsoft's video player and Adobe's FLASH

      I love ubuntu and use both RedHat and Fedora (helps to have learned Unix under Solaris) and planning to install CentOS to learn about it...no favorite distro yet. Give me another year.

      I've never had a problem that ubuntuforums.org didn't have the answer to. You have to love it when something you use just has great resources.

      Lets be honest the forums are great, but searching for specifics is hardly a slam dunk, wish the search feature would let you both include and exclude certain words as you search... like Dice.com does is a great example to narrow the search process. Yes the forums are great aren't they!

      3)bloody wifi! ...

      WiFi if enabled on the laptop, netbook or PC will work out of the box. But yes adding WiFi to a Linux computer can be a pain. I still have not gotten a N style USB Adapter to work on a Linux PC that has a 10/100/1000 NIC, but no built in WiFi...granted I got sidetracked with 8.10, but that is another story.... Granted the weakness is 1) my lack of configuring WiFi knowledge and 2) my desire NOT to use Windows drivers...ie ndiswrapper.

      I have a belkin rt73 usb which is good, use serialmonkey's drivers and its fine except when those drivers don't compile for the kernel...So I bought a linksys usb and it has the same bloody rt73 chipset!!!

      Boy am I learning about this the hard way. I have some old IBM PCs at 667 mhz, they are almost 3 times faster than the Cable / Satellite DVD Recorder / Player set top boxes. And I will get one of them to be a custom Linux DVD Recorder / Player...lol, I even want to get fiber working as my LG HD TV has a fiber port in addition to an HDMI and RGB port on the back...interesting. However finding a BIOS that will allow me to install the $30 worth of 1 GB SIMMs on that PC has not been possible yet (I might have to help the open source BIOS project as I would like a BIOS that caters to Linux rather than a BIOS that caters to Microsoft anyway.) I am amazed at how many companies use the same mother boards and the same chip sets. So your post is right on the money....

      I love ubuntu and I am glad that they ported Pulse Audio in 8.10, even though it does not work out of the box for everyone...at least there is hope of watching a video, playing the radio at the same time. And if you know one intsrument, you can create a symphony mimacing other instruments until you have a whole orchestra...would suck if you the multiple streams did not play correctly because either ALSA or OSS did not let you play more than one audio stream at a time. Heck, I hope to be able to answer my Skype VoIP phone at the same time as music is playing eventually...of course there the fault appears to lie in Skype directly coding to a lower level than it should...shame that ALSA, OSS and Pulse Audio developers have to put up with crap like that from hardware companies that are only focused on themselves or Microsoft. After spending a week going through the forums, every hack that works for others has not worked for me and many others...so Linux (all versions) needs some improvements with Plug and play with Sound cards, Graphic Adapters, etc... (And windows fans, don't get me started, as I had been a DOS user since 2.0 and a Windows user since the beginning, boy have I seen my share of problems with device drivers and windows over the years...)

      So sound is another issue that works and than stops working from one release to the next and based on what I have read in the forums over the holidays, this has been a problem for the last 10 years...if sound works for you, you are golden, however if it does not you will have to learn and work with it. While I do not mind this, it makes it difficult for new novice users. Still worth the effort. Fort

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    11. Re:I also give the book a 9...I own it by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      Really? I used to say that, but as I've become more advanced as a Linux user, I find more and more that I don't get the answers I need there. They are great for rookie questions, it's what got me over the hump, and for that I'm eternally grateful. But now most of my questions go to my local LUG listserv or IRC.

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  14. Ubuntu Kungfu?? by JediN8 · · Score: 1

    Your Kungfu is weak, old man.

  15. Ubuntu annoyances? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Every system has its share of problems. I'm sure Ubuntu is no less deserving of an Annoyances title than any other. What would you nominate for a chapter in Ubuntu Annoyances?

    Personally, my nomination would be still having to edit fstab as root to permanently mount a network share. Mapping a network drive is dead simple in Windows. It should be just as easy on Ubuntu.

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    1. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, my nomination would be still having to edit fstab as root to permanently mount a network share. Mapping a network drive is dead simple in Windows. It should be just as easy on Ubuntu.

      Interesting you bring that up. Every time I install Ubuntu or any other flavor of *nix, I look to see if someone made that procedure less torturous.

      As for my nomination: I think it would have to be the inability to "su" and run in root mode. I understand the reasoning behind it but stuff like this can get annoying pretty quick:
      @make me a sandwitch
      @only root can do that
      @sudo make me a sandwitch
      @OK

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    2. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by atomic-penguin · · Score: 1

      As for my nomination: I think it would have to be the inability to "su" and run in root mode. I understand the reasoning behind it but stuff like this can get annoying pretty quick:

      There is an easy enough fix for that:

      sudo passwd root

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    3. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know there's nothing stopping you doing 'sudo bash' as equivalent to a plain su, right?

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    4. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try this:

      $sudo bash

    5. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by edmicman · · Score: 1

      Personally, my nomination would be still having to edit fstab as root to permanently mount a network share. Mapping a network drive is dead simple in Windows. It should be just as easy on Ubuntu.

      I'd nominate that in a heartbeat. That and getting CUPS/printing in general to work over the network has been my two major headaches since I switched. Otherwise, everything else has been mainly gravy!

    6. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or

      sudo bash

    7. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Knara · · Score: 1

      Everything in Linux should have graphical front-end that makes the necessary edits to the config files. Linux dists in general have made a ton of progress in this area, thankfully, but I always seem to run into *something* that makes me want to beat people to death.

    8. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tend to just do "sudo bash" when i need to do something complicated. I try to avoid it though.

    9. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by number6x · · Score: 1

      Try the following:

      user@ubuntu_box$ sudo su
      [sudo] password for user: < type your user password and hit enter >
      root@ubuntu_box:/home/user#

      Not as clean as pure su to root (you have to type 'sudo su' instead of just typing 'su' and you use your user password instead of a root password), but you now have a root prompt until you type exit or ctrl-d.

    10. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by pablomme · · Score: 2, Informative

      Personally, my nomination would be still having to edit fstab as root to permanently mount a network share. Mapping a network drive is dead simple in Windows. It should be just as easy on Ubuntu.

      You may want to suggest this improvement or report the behaviour as a bug.

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    11. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "sudo su" is your friend...

    12. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sudo -i

    13. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by bigfam · · Score: 1

      $ sudo su -

    14. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Knara · · Score: 1

      Printing can definitely be a pain. I still find wireless to be annoying depending on the dist used.

    15. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

      In bash, !! substitutes for the last command entered. So if you have a one liner you need to sudo, you can do it like this:

      $ make me a sandwich

      only root can do that

      $ sudo !!

      OK

      If you have more than one line, 'sudo bash' will get you a root shell.

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    16. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on!
      $sudo su -
      How hard is that?

    17. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhhh, 'sudo bash'???

    18. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

      THANK YOU! I didn't think about that! While it isn't as clean as just "su" to root, it is much cleaner than "sudo bash" as numerous ACs have pointed out in this thread.

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    19. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by dfdashh · · Score: 1

      Ummm..."sudo bash"? Worked this morning on my Ubuntu 8.04 server.

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    20. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't remember if `sudo su` or `sudo -` allowed you to continue to run in root mode. Might be something to look into.

    21. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not try: sudo su -

    22. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by rcallan · · Score: 1

      Call me ignorant or incompetent, but 'sudo su' gets the job done...

    23. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only make install or make modules_install should require root privileges, anything more = fail.

    24. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      That would be my number one annoyance with Ubuntu (and Xandros on my EEE).

      How long before malware for Linux includes the word "sudo" in front of rootkit installation?

      Doing something as root should have a reminder that you're doing something dangerous, not a shortcut.

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    25. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by jeffasselin · · Score: 4, Informative

      sudo -s

      is your friend

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    26. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      For some reason I seem to think that

      sudo su

      Also works

    27. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      'sudo -s --' works just as well, without the need to set a password for root.

    28. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by neo · · Score: 1

      Nothing except common sense.

      ** There's a reason sudo only does one thing at a time.

    29. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by MostAwesomeDude · · Score: 1

      $ sudo -i
      Password:
      #

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    30. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Khaed · · Score: 1

      I prefer just to set a password for root -- that's all you have to do in order to have the normal root user that you can su to. Atomic Penguin suggested it upthread.

      I prefer that, because then root has a separate password from any user...

    31. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

      $ sudo !!

      Almost like yelling at the command line... Catharsis is mine!

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    32. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In addition to sudo su someone else mentioned, you can also do sudo -s.

    33. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      Packages like ebox being broken by default in the latest version of ubuntu--that's pretty annoying.

      All the hackery necessary to get 32 bit apps, like Flash, working in 64bit ubuntu is annoying.

      No CLI tools equivalent to the GUI tools for basic system configuration--that's annoying (editing lots of files in /etc with vi is just not fun).

      Overall, it's the best of the linuxes, but major improvements could be made.

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    34. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by caseih · · Score: 2, Informative

      On 8.4 and 8.10, it is as easy as windows. Just use nautilus to mount it and every application can see it through gvfs and also through a fuse mount in $HOME/.gvfs.

      It's pretty slick. In addition to mounting windows shares, you can also mount via ssh. It's a bit like KDE's ioslaves, but a lot better integrated and can be used by all apps whether they are gvfs aware or not.

    35. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by dylan_- · · Score: 1

      In bash, !! substitutes for the last command entered. So if you have a one liner you need to sudo, you can do it like this:

              $ make me a sandwich

              only root can do that

              $ sudo !!

      Bloody hell! I knew that, but I'm so unused to using sudo that it just never occurred to me to do that! Thanks!

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    36. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by tqft · · Score: 1

      Mapping partitions is a pain - would it be ever so hard to integrate something that can write to fstab with gparted?

      Also standard forum response to a hardware question is a request for a bunch of command output questions - lspci, (sudo) lshw, lsusb, lsmod - maybe a hardware diagnostic tool with that info available - sysinfo does some of it - but not the extra bits or option to produce a text file report

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    37. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by chihowa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Doing something as root should have a reminder that you're doing something dangerous, not a shortcut.

      It does: #

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    38. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by CrispBH · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that is annoying, so may I suggest:

      crisp@moar:~$ sudo su
      [sudo] password for crisp:
      root@moar:/home/crisp#

      Works for me!

    39. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      alias su='sudo bash'

    40. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 1

      ^Normally,root has no password so you can't login as root. All you did was give it a pw for the first time. I think it's the /etc/passwd file that just has a blank entry where the root pw would normally be.

    41. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a bit like KDE's ioslaves, but a lot better integrated and can be used by all apps whether they are gvfs aware or not.

      ... flamebait? No? Then name single KDE application which isn't integrated with ioslaves.

    42. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by gilgongo · · Score: 1

      Personally, my nomination would be still having to edit fstab as root to permanently mount a network share. Mapping a network drive is dead simple in Windows. It should be just as easy on Ubuntu.

      A related complaint - and one that still continues to mystify and annoy me - is that root is required to access external devices of various kinds. For example, I have to sudo chmod 777 /dev/raw1394 every time I want to capture video from my camcorder (hal or whatever sets it *back* on reboot - huh??). That's been the case for as long as I've been using Ubuntu (the past four years) and is currently the case with Hardy. Things seem to have become slightly better over time though - you can now plug in USB sticks and they usually get mounted as the current user. Very odd though that such issues are still around though when the rest of the distro is so mature.

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    43. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by gilgongo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've always just run "sudo su" - enter password, hit return, and I'm at a root prompt.

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    44. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by feniix · · Score: 1
      Why do that? you just need to do: sudo -i

      -i

      The -i (simulate initial login) option runs the shell specified in the passwd(5) entry of the user that the command is being run as. The command name argument given to the shell begins with a `-' to tell the shell to run as a login shell. sudo attempts to change to that user's home directory before running the shell. It also initializes the environment, leaving TERM unchanged, setting HOME, SHELL, USER, LOGNAME, and PATH, and unsetting all other environment variables. Note that because the shell to use is determined before the sudoers file is parsed, a runas_default setting in sudoers will specify the user to run the shell as but will not affect which shell is actually run.

    45. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sudo -i

    46. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by atomic-penguin · · Score: 1

      The original poster, to which I replied, was annoyed at using sudo in the first place. The only thing you have offered is yet another way to use sudo. I don't want to get into an argument over which, su or sudo, is better. However, some people, such as the original poster, prefer to do administration tasks with su. In order to do that, the administrator of the system will need to set a root password.

      Did you ever consider that some crafty user on a multi-user Ubuntu system may set the root password, and lock you out of sudo?

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    47. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you ever consider that some crafty user on a multi-user Ubuntu system may set the root password, and lock you out of sudo?

      1) On a multi-user Ubuntu system, typically only one user will have unfettered sudo access. Otherwise, setting the root password requires some sort of root exploit.

      2) So long as I have physical access to the box, there is no way anyone could lock me out of root on that same box unless some sort of hardware or BIOS-level whole disk encryption is employed. Given the performance hit, enabling such on multi-user system is generally not wise.

    48. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by atomic-penguin · · Score: 1

      My mistake, I thought the default sudoers access was a little more open on a default Ubuntu install. Of course, I agree that physical access is as good as having root access to a system.

      My original point still stands, the original poster was not looking for another way to use sudo. Using su without having to resort to forking it off of sudo is a legitimate concern for an Ubuntu user.

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    49. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      My default install of 8.10 allows me to do

      user$ sudo su -
      enter password: *******
      root$

      and have a root prompt.

    50. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://xkcd.com/149/

    51. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sudo -s

    52. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Lafeek · · Score: 1

      $ sudo su

      #

    53. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by delvsional · · Score: 1

      As for my nomination: I think it would have to be the inability to "su" and run in root mode. I understand the reasoning behind it but stuff like this can get annoying pretty quick:

      @make me a sandwitch
      @only root can do that
      @sudo make me a sandwitch
      @OK

      @sudo passwd root
      thisismypassword
      enter
      @su
      thisismypassword
      $TADA!

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    54. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by j741 · · Score: 1

      I nominate the following as prime annoyances with Ubuntu (and most linux ditros):

      - An inability to run the latest PC game that has 'Direct-X 10' in it's requirements list.

      - Way too much funkiness (and reliance) on the command line. After all, when I see the following on a support forum I just get confused and turn the damn thing off.
      # find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -liwZ GUI | xargs -0 rm -f

      - Man pages! Are you kidding me, even Windows has a much more usable help file sturcture.

      - Support resources (forums, man pages, etc) that assume that you want to spend a few weeks learning a whole new language just to be able to do something that should be simple like access a file on your Windows' C: drive.

      Maybe I'll have a look at this book and see if it helps...

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    55. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a proper way to do this:
      $ sudo -s

    56. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by en.ABCD · · Score: 1
      It's actually udev that sets the permissions on that device, and you can edit udev's configuration to change the permissions and/or ownership of the device file: add the line

      KERNEL=="raw1394", MODE="0666"

      to /etc/udev/rules.d/99-local.conf (create the file if it doesn't exist). Please note that there are 2 "=" after KERNEL, and 1 "=" after MODE (the first compares, the second sets). Also note that you almost definitely want 0666 instead of 0777 - you don't need to "execute" the device, only read from and write to it.

    57. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by AlexBirch · · Score: 1

      sudo su
      works for me

    58. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by JoshJ · · Score: 1

      sudo -i does what you want.

    59. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      konsole

    60. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @rm -rf /*
      @only root can do that
      @ÂUPPPSS !! I meant rm -rf ./*
      @OK

      but I guess you never make such mistakes ...

    61. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by ion.simon.c · · Score: 1

      Support resources (forums, man pages, etc) that assume that you want to spend a few weeks learning a whole new language just to be able to do something that should be simple like access a file on your Windows' C: drive.

      Cite?

    62. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by lamapper · · Score: 1

      ^Normally,root has no password so you can't login as root. All you did was give it a pw for the first time. I think it's the /etc/passwd file that just has a blank entry where the root pw would normally be.

      remember to create a backup copy of both the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow files before you make changes...in case you have a problem, you can boot as single user and restore those two files. However once you are sure it works, you should delete those two backups to prevent them from being viewed.

      Is the bang in /etc/shadow or /etc/passwd? You can use the cat command to view them to be sure. You remove the bang ! in /etc/passwd and use newpass root to set the password. of course you should have already sudo -i or sudo su so you are root. Check the /etc/shadow file to see that root has a password.

      Granted this is NOT the recommended method for Ubuntu as if you use a poor password, it will eventually be guessed if someone starts scanning ports and making BREAK IN attempts. Its scary how fast your password can be brute forced guessed, no matter how fancy you think it is.

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    63. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by lamapper · · Score: 1

      ...Just use nautilus to mount it and every application can see it through gvfs and also through a fuse mount in $HOME/.gvfs.

      Interesting...will need to play with that...

      About Nautilus as much as I like it, I do NOT like that it sometimes will not show me subdirectories and/or files on a USB external hard disk. The same file and / or directory is viewable if I open OpenOffice.org 3.0.0 and than search for the file.

      Also I have experienced issues with random empty files...probably a side effect of a large external USB disk drive and the way it is mounted, sleeps and has to spin up before you can save to it. Though this first happened when I had a two files, same filename but two different extensions (.doc and .odt). Just FYI, as the drive still works like a champ! I did not notice the same issues with the Dolphin File Manage which I found interesting. I still prefer Nautilus to Dolphin.

      You tend to have more problems on computers with lower memory amounts and no swap space. With my 1 GB RAM 8.10 version of Ubuntu, I run all day without problems. I have also noticed that since I started running Intrepid 8.10 (w/ 1 GB of RAM) that I have not had any additional empty files, though sometimes a .odt file will not show in Nautilus if another file with the .doc extension exists. Same work around, using either OOo 3.0.0 or terminal window, I can see everything just fine.

      So far anywhere where I have moved the .doc files to a separate subdirectory and renamed them as I needed them to .odt, but saved the .odt file to a different folder; that the problem does NOT occur. No wonder Linux users get rid of .doc formated files as soon as possible.

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    64. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by lamapper · · Score: 1

      An inability to run the latest PC game that has 'Direct-X 10' in it's requirements list.

      I would suggest you look at it from a more secure perspective. Specifically, until I can run a Windows operating system in a SECURE SANDBOX of my making with either VIM or XEN, just do NOT run Windows, not even for games.

      Fortunately the only games that seem to be the biggest issue are Microsoft developed games.

      I do NOT want to run Active X, Java, JavaScript, WINE or NDISWrapper. I want to run everything in Linux with Linux specific drivers.

      Now with that said, while I have no problems avoiding Active X, Java, WINE and NDISWrapper, I do run a minimum of JavaScript, but only when I have too.

      I rarely if ever have problems with viruses, spammers and scammers because I do not use unsafe tools that allow others to control aspects of my session and/or system as those tools, and many Windows apps, do.

      And in the few rare occurrence under Linux, the code is NOT proprietary, so I can delve in and figure out why and prevent the problem.

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    65. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      The default is only open for users in the 'admin' group. The default for all other users is no sudo access. So you either specifically have to throw a user in the 'admin' group or add a rule that would catch their user account for one or more specific command RE pattern matches that must be created by hand.

      Using su without having to resort to forking it off of sudo is a legitimate concern for an Ubuntu user.

      Well, I tend to disagree and I won't go into a discussion of sudo vs. su, but it's rather obvious to me, as well as the Ubuntu developers, that using sudo is more secure than doing a 'su' and running things directly as root. I recognize that there are times when doing an su or logging in directly as root may be the easiest way to accomplish something -- especially for experienced *nix users, but the entire system is really setup to use sudo as opposed to su.

    66. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Good grief. About 30 people post the same general advice and you're the first one to get it right:

      $ uname; sudo bash
      OpenBSD
      sudo: bash: command not found

      If you're going to train your fingers, you might as well teach them the correct (and shortest) sequence.

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    67. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      I do "sudo bash"...

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    68. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      I thought we were talking about Ubuntu.

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    69. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      I thought we were talking about Ubuntu.

      We were. jeffasselin's command is portable across other Unixes and requires fewer keystrokes. Why would you possibly not want to learn it?

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    70. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      Nothing against learning different or even better ways that may be cross platform. I question labeling them correct, as in the others not being so. After all, this thread is about Ubuntu tips.

      That said, I'll now gladly dive into why I like "sudo bash" slightly more than the other options.

      Since the idea of sudo is to execute something as superuser, it's a simpler logical step to execute a shell as superuser rather than calling "su" with "sudo" just because sudo would give you superuser for the next command and "su" executed as superuser will call a shell with such credentials without asking for any password.

      Personal opinion, of course, but I'm usually more interested in learning how to figure things out given what I already have than worrying if this or that way will or will not work in other platforms that are not in focus nor part of my problem. It was with that way of thinking that I came upon "sudo bash" on my own when the problem presented itself to me without having to think twice, look at a man page or search any forums. Should I be seated in front of another box without "bash", the thought path would still be the same, but with whatever shell is the preferred one in such box.

      There's nothing to remember, except the purpose of "sudo". No need to remember extra parameters, nor that "su" has this interesting behaviour and would work just the same when combined with "sudo".

      Since I have my overdeveloped ego under permanent surveillance, I'm pretty sure that I wasn't the only one following the above logical sequence, even if I'd rather think otherwise : )

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    71. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Since the idea of sudo is to execute something as superuser, it's a simpler logical step to execute a shell as superuser rather than calling "su" with "sudo" just because sudo would give you superuser for the next command and "su" executed as superuser will call a shell with such credentials without asking for any password.

      FWIW, I think "sudo su" is lamely redundant, too. Of course, if you were using Zsh, "sudo -<tab>" would have shown you all the options and you would've seen "-s -- run SHELL". ;-)

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    72. Re:Ubuntu annoyances? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about this:

      sudo su -

      security people hate this one for some reason :)

  16. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  17. Ninjas? HA! by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yarr! The pirates are t'be takin' out them scurvy Ninjas!!!

    Hoist the mains'l and raise a tankard o'grog to his Noodliness!!!!

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  18. Re:Annoyance eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Perhaps you should stop watching your parents holiday videos?

  19. I'm going to learn... Ubuntu? by lattyware · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:I'm going to learn... Ubuntu? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They pronounced it wrong.

      It's OObOOntOO.

  20. All you really need to know by pieisgood · · Score: 1

    app get install firefox

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    1. Re:All you really need to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      apt-get install firefox

    2. Re:All you really need to know by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      sudo apt-get install firefox

      ;)
      Anyway... it's installed by default!!

    3. Re:All you really need to know by Tweenk · · Score: 1

      E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
      E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?

      You fail as well.
      Option 1:
      sudo apt-get install firefox
      Option 2 (for novices)
      gksu synaptic
      Option 3 (for grannies)
      gksu gnome-app-install

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    4. Re:All you really need to know by Ironica · · Score: 1

      Can we get this a +1 Funny? I lol'd and I barely know how to bring up a terminal window.

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    5. Re:All you really need to know by PenGun · · Score: 1

      Can you alias that sudo crap in .bash_profile ... eh' ?

    6. Re:All you really need to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you clearly are an ubuntu user.

    7. Re:All you really need to know by BetterSense · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a script in my path called 'install' so typing "install firefox" actually runs "sudo apt-get install firefox" and also adds the package name to a text file in my home directory. If I want to try a new distro, I can feed apt-get the entire text file and it will install all the programs I've ever been moved to install on my other system. It also impresses noobs.

  21. Secret Cover Cat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love the cover image. Does Ubuntu include a man page for LOLcat?

  22. Free Linux Docs Re:So much for free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hmmm... You've made it clear you're not expecting free hardcopy, so you must be wanting links.

    Of course to have found that you probably would have needed some uber-l337 mad google skillz.

    1. Re:Free Linux Docs Re:So much for free! by CannonballHead · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I knew about howtoforge, linuxmanpages, etc. Linux man pages are oh-so-user-friendly! Of course, I actually do use them and am not a blithering idiot when it comes to Linux. I guess my point was that if we want to get Linux into mainstream OS stuff, it will either have to "just work" (like Windows typically does) or the FREE documentation is going to have to be perhaps a bit more standardized, easier to find, easier to use, etc.

      It is hard to "sell" (heh) something as free when you then have to ask them to get a $XX book because they are going to have on clue how to use it, it's not what they are used to, and it doesn't just work. :)

      For those of us that ARE comfortable looking at random pages in google to find out how to do some weird Linux stuff, that's cool. For those that are switching to Linux, for the first time, and want to know how to get their Canon MP210 printer to work... well, they've got issues at the moment.

    2. Re:Free Linux Docs Re:So much for free! by bberens · · Score: 1

      I've always found fedorafaq.org and ubuntuguide.org to be very helpful for 99% of my distro related problems/questions. Those just happen to be the two major distributions I have experience with.

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    3. Re:Free Linux Docs Re:So much for free! by Draek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      the FREE documentation is going to have to be perhaps a bit more standardized, easier to find, easier to use, etc.

      I don't think that would do much good for your alleged goal (getting Linux to be mainstream), but I kinda agree with you there. These days whenever someone asks me for help on learning Linux, I always point them to the FreeBSD Handbook and tell them to ignore anything with the word "ports" in it, however it's clearly aimed more at admins unfamiliar with UNIX-derived OSes than it is to Jane Grandma or Joe Geeky Grandson, so I'd also like to see something else to fill that niche.

      Yeah, there's always the Ubuntu forums, but there's a psychological thing about having a book that makes you more confident about the content, and makes you feel all tingly inside. Though even considering the purchase of this book, they'd come out ahead compared to a Windows Vista license *and* they get to keep the book ;)

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    4. Re:Free Linux Docs Re:So much for free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...want to know how to get their Canon MP210 printer to work...

      The printer driver for the MP150 work flawlessly with the MP210, you can find it here :
      http://home.arcor.de/wittawat/pixma/

      I could not get the scanner of the MP210 to work under Linux though

    5. Re:Free Linux Docs Re:So much for free! by Eudial · · Score: 1

      In general it's hard to sift through the information in the linux documentation in an efficient way. There are a ton of manpages that really don't add anything of value. And then there are those that are 5000 lines long (man bash), contain a lot of interesting information intermixed with uninteresting information, not to mention all the README:s in /usr/share/doc, etc. Even if the manuals are well written (which is far from always the case), they may be hard to navigate, long, or simply not contain anything you didn't already know.

      It's a bit of a lottery, in that sense it's probably a good idea to have someone write down what the good parts in a book.

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    6. Re:Free Linux Docs Re:So much for free! by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      It is hard to "sell" (heh) something as free when you then have to ask them to get a $XX book because they are going to have on clue how to use it, it's not what they are used to, and it doesn't just work. :)

      It's a tips book, so the buyer would usually already have some sort of clue on how to use it. Besides, Ubuntu itself comes with some short documentation on its basic usage and it's right there in the main menu.

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  23. Ubuntu is for pussies ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Wait until Slashdot reviews my book "Kick Slackware's ass" with Chuck Norris on the cover. THAT will rock !

  24. Ubuntu Kung Fu? by Kingrames · · Score: 1

    whoa.

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  25. Oblig auto analogy. by khasim · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So manual transmission cars don't work if all you know is an automatic transmission?

    Motorcycles don't work if all you know is how to drive a car?

    18-wheelers ... don't even ask about 18-wheelers.

    The point being that many things DO work. And they work very well. And you probably depend upon them even if you are not aware of it.

    Your point is incorrectly stated. Rather than whether something "works" it should be whether YOU can handle it.

    And that is different for every person out there. Some people will not need a book like this. Some will. Others will need a human to teach them. Whatever the case, that does not change the fact that Linux is Free (like beer, like speech).

    1. Re:Oblig auto analogy. by CannonballHead · · Score: 0, Troll

      Thanks for the auto analogy... hehe.

      Yes, it is technically free. The point is that it's hard to sell something as free if they end up needing to pay for training (in some form) to learn how to use it.

      This could be fixed with a good, more or less "standard" online Linux help site... not geared towards geeks, but geared towards those that don't know anything about Linux. There are plenty of geek sites that assume you know what you're doing.

      Also, I didn't say that it didn't work. My point was that it doesn't "just work." It doesn't work automatically. Some assembly required.

      I'll return to a concrete example. When my parents or sister plug in a printer, they expect it - like Windows - to work. Sure, they might have to put the CD in first and click "Next" a few times, and THEN plug it in. But they still expect to be able to plug it in, and have it work.

      Linux? No, not really. Plug it in, doesn't get recognized immediately necessarily. The configuration wizard could have been better. There wasn't any help available. It was hard enough to FIND the add-printer wizard.

      Luckily. SuSE seems to be a bit easier in this department than some of my experiences with other distros (and interestingly, from what I hear from the Linux crowd, SuSE is criticized for all its fancy-shmancy GUI tools - blah blah blah command line is way better to use blah blah blah GUIs are for fools blah blah :) ).

      Does it work? Yes. That particular distro worked pretty well. Yes, this is partly the fault of hardware makers for not having good driver support (although Canon actually is ok with Linux drivers, it seems).

      Here's another concrete example - video card. It still doesn't work well on my parents desktop, and it's a Radeon 9800. Hardly a non-standard or "new" card. I had to do a lot of hand-editing of xorg.conf to get it to work well. The mouse was also very jerky and wouldn't revert to a "slow" setting on reboot. That was solved by getting a new mouse. Windows? All this was no problem, the problem on Windows was spyware, adware, and viruses roughly once a year :)

      Yeah, it works, and yeah it depends on what you can handle, but man, if we want to try to get more people to use Linux and try t oconvince them partly on the fact that it's free, I don't feel like telling them "Oh, yeah, you can download it for free... you should also buy this book because you're going to have on clue how to use it and its hard to find the equivalent online unless you know what you're doing and talking about." Keep in mind, my parents/sister have NO clue what "Amarok" is, what a "konsole" is, what "KDE" is, what a "window manager" is, what "3D acceleration" is, what "xorg.conf" is, what "vi" is let alone how to use it, etc. So if any of the instructions involve that, they are going into follow-verbatim-command mode. That's the kind of standard documentation I am thinking is needed. :)

    2. Re:Oblig auto analogy. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I like the way this has been modded Troll.

      -1 Inconvenient Truth would be more honest.

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    3. Re:Oblig auto analogy. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > The point is that it's hard to sell something as free if they end up needing
      > to pay for training (in some form) to learn how to use it. ...this seems oddly familiar. Oh wait. Yeah, it's exactly the same situation as with WinDOS.

      Pirate something or get it included for "free" with your hardware and then go buy a manual to figure it out.

      No OS that you have to install on your own can be expected to "just work".
      If you try that same thing with Windows you will end up with a remarkably
      bigger mess than an Ubuntu install. It really is a bogus comparison.

      Oddly enough, my recent printer experiences have been BETTER with Linux.
      Not only has Linux been better than Windows in general but Vista has
      actually been worse than XP. Printers? Don't even go there.

      This idea that Windows is somehow a successful Macintosh knockoff is a big lie and always has been. ...as far as that Radeon goes: Well, there is a vendor supported driver for it.

      Go whine at them about it. ATI has always sucked. Official Linux support hasn't changed that much.

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    4. Re:Oblig auto analogy. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Get your own material, you insensitive clod.

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    5. Re:Oblig auto analogy. by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Go whine at them about it. ATI has always sucked. Official Linux support hasn't changed that much.

      Except that it worked in SuSE 10.3 and had problems in SuSE 11. Granted, 11 was newer and just came out, etc., so I'm not complaining about it, just saying it has problems, contrary to the popular belief that Windows stinks and everyone is somehow being forced to use it with thumbscrews, otherwise everyone would automatically jump on the Linux bandwagon :)

      Vista worse than XP, on the whole I actually agree.

      No OS can be expected to "just work" ... that's exactly what is expected of Windows I think?

      Ah well. Anecdotal evidence goes a long way in one's own mind I guess (mine included, unfortunately).

    6. Re:Oblig auto analogy. by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      Tell you what. If Canon (and other printer companies) and ATI actually supported the Linux OS a bit more, neither of those problems would exist. The only problem with Linux is its lack of support from big companies, and THAT is what leads to a lack of support for hardware (making your have to fiddle around to get things working), not the OS itself.

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  26. Truecrypt? why not dm-crypt instead? by Chryana · · Score: 1

    I don't know if the situation has changed, but I have found using truecrypt on ubuntu to be extremely frustrating. Nothing wrong with Truecrypt per se, but it had to be recompiled every single time there was an update to the kernel. I need to access encrypted drives all the time, and having to wait a few hours for truecrypt to be compiled, keep track of where it has been installed, and delete it every couple of weeks to replace it with a another version was a major pain. Long story short, I now use dm-crypt. It can be mounted on Windows with FreeOTFE, and doesn't need to be recompiled all the time.

    1. Re:Truecrypt? why not dm-crypt instead? by Paradigm_Complex · · Score: 1

      I don't know when you last used Truecrypt, but they've had dead-simple .deb's for Ubuntu for quite some time.

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    2. Re:Truecrypt? why not dm-crypt instead? by Chryana · · Score: 1

      Yes, there was always a deb package available, but after any kernel update, you had to wait for them to make a new package or compile it on your own. Maybe this situation has changed, I don't know. I'm just saying how it was last time I used it, which is a year or two ago maybe.

  27. Paid for Truecrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buddy Truecrypt has been free-libre software for many years now, someone got served.

  28. You cannot learn Kung Fu from a book! by toppromulan · · Score: 1

    You must learn by do chores for Mister Miagi!

  29. Kung Fu by Guruthegreat · · Score: 1

    Say it! My Kung Fu is best.

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  30. O'Reilly wanted to publish "Unix Annoyances" ... by ClosedSource · · Score: 3, Funny

    but the book was so large that it violated their high-quality binding standards.

  31. Re:I hate dumbed down and slow UBUNTU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's dumbed down for all teh stupid masses.

    Like, uh, you?

  32. glipper rather than klipper by D4C5CE · · Score: 1

    I'd become quite fond of enhanced cut-&-paste (multiple) clipboard capabilities under Windows. Again, UKF to the rescue: Tip 306 let me know of an open source (KDE) clipboard enhancement known as Klipper (it's in the Ubuntu Repositories), which scratches this itch most satisfactorily.

    For Ubuntu's GNOME (since that's not Kubuntu Kung Fu), of course the choice should be glipper instead to avoid some KDE overhead, especially now that it's in the official repositories too, and easily installable through apt-get or the Synaptic Package Manager.

  33. I think the book should have one page: by westyvw · · Score: 1

    Install Debian. Ubuntu is such a catch 22. Seems easy at first, then you start shaking your head at it, things start to break, and the whole time its SLOW. Slow to install, slow to run, etc.

  34. That cat was mine. by aqk · · Score: 0

    And I think it's at the bottom of my swimming pool.
    Sleep with the (gold)fishes, dear.

    I'll see what's left of you in the spring, when I clean the pool.

    .

  35. have you tried... by Aleanthus · · Score: 1

    ok, first post ever on /. and maybe a bit sarcastic, but...
    gksudo nautilus
    1st thing that pops up when i google for "sudo nautilus"
    should be fine for handling the trash ;)

  36. Re:Kung Fool by danieltdp · · Score: 1

    Why do nerds think karate is so cool?

    Kung fu is not karate.

    If you want to whine about something, please inform yourself better before you begin.

    As you are on the subject. Try some really effective martial arts, like brazilian jiu-jitsu, before saying it doesn't work on the streets.

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  37. An actual comment about the fucking book by fdisk3hs · · Score: 1

    So while you are all jerking yourselves off, I actually "thought" when reading this review. Two thoughts boiled to the top.
    First, the reviewer needs to get over the randomly ordered tip thing. They did it on purpose, it's random. Next.
    Second, when you rm a file in Ubuntu now, it goes to the trash can? Is that right? Because if that's true, that is like the horror, the horror. Making Linux do brain-dead shit like that will kill it.
    Third, I'm not sure how useful the part of the book about gconf would be. In reality, the desktop folks need to get over themselves. NetworkManager is a broken piece of shit, network connectivity has nothing to do with runlevel 5. A box is a box, you can do everything you need to do without GNOME or KDE. Personally, I'm glad Red Hat still has linuxconf.
    Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time.

  38. Re:Kung Fool by fdisk3hs · · Score: 1

    And yet, you come across as nerdier than the nerds. Comic book guy from the Simpsons.

    I don't care for martial arts, but I do enjoy marital arts.

    Also I have guns. They work well for slow-moving lazy bastards like me, without all that exercise nonsense involved with martial arts.

  39. Re:Kung Fool by danieltdp · · Score: 1

    Man, look at the website you are on. Call a slashdotter nerd is the most reduntant thing you can do around here. We are all pround nerds.

    As long as this is revolving into nerdiness calling and the like, brag about having guns is nerdy also...Or are you trying to say you actually use your guns on situations someone would use martial arts? You know that shooting poople down is illegal, right?

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